blueAgent:


Clown . the funny thing is that.the people who said the Universe is fine tuned are Scientists and Nobel award winners. who know better than me and you. including Athiest Stephen Hawkings.

Did God create Hurricane to be destructive .No sin brought all this to Humanity

johnydon22:


I admire you a lot, you and dorox seem to be the most reasonable Christians i know of here and i've hoped on addressing your topic immediately i saw it was you.

I am going to write a very long comprehensive reply with the utmost objectivity i can offer.

But permit brother to do that in my thread "Songs Of the world" i'm going to quote your question and carefully tender my own thoughts on it - my reply to this thread will form a chapter of it's on in my work "Songs of the worlds"

ValentineMary:

I agree with Johnnydon22. Engaging u would be a total waste of time.

johnydon22:


Our aim should be to establish objective truths not base our conviction over what "makes us feel good or loved"

The truth should not matter whether it makes you feel good or not - what matters is that it is the truth.

It is sinister for you to propose a mode of deduction based on your emotions and need to be loved.

objective truth is above that platform

johnydon22:


Just like you can disprove he doesn't have a golden pig he talks to right now in his room.

Can you?

Why is it that you all don't really check to see how ridiculous your assertions sounds before posting them.

ValentineMary:

[i] Wait a sec, u said a creator exist and I asked what's ur evidence. And u provided none but u just went ahead to say I should disprove what u have not proved. U brought this claim, and u should prove it for anyone to take u serious. Imaging this scenario

I stand before a science conference and say "I have discovered that Bleep gene is responsible for GTP synthesis" and an older scientist ask me to prove it and show evidence. Instead of me to prove it, I went ahead to tell the scientist to disprove it.

That's just how u sound

DoctorAlien:


Bro, it's been established that GOD exists. How? The same way it's been established that "jealousy" exists.

DoctorAlien:

Bro look at it this way: I tell you I have jealousy in my heart. Can you disprove it? Or can you ask me for a proof that I have jealousy in my heart?
.

johnydon22:


You got it very correctly - God exists just like Jealousy, Jealousy is an emotion not a being, not an entity.

Therefore just like "Jealousy" "God" is also not a thing, not a being nor entity but an emotion, your emotional projection..

You solidified your words here

Just like your "Jealousy" is your emotion so is also your "God"

Thank you my brother, you've done good. . . The best part is that you said it yourself not me.

DoctorAlien:


I'm happy you accepted that GOD exists. Now I tell you that GOD lives in my heart. He talks to me and He directs me. I hear Him speak.

What now is your problem?

DoctorAlien:


Bro look at it this way: I tell you I have jealousy in my heart. Can you disprove it? Or can you ask me for a proof that I have jealousy in my heart?

Yet, look sincerely all around you: everything testifies to the existence and benevolence of GOD.

Weah96:


Jealousy is a human emotion. And I'm pretty sure that it doesn't reside in your heart but your brain. You only feel your heart because it beats FASTER when you're jealous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1147525/The-green-eyed-monster-lives-brain-Scientists-discover-jealousy-lobe.html

lordnicklaus:


Please try to avoid him. He has only shot himself by not knowing that Jupiter suffers from earthquakes even more than earth. He probably doesn't know that Mars has frozen water or that there are exo-planets with the chance of harboring living matter. Let's just continue our discussions amicably and shun every uproar or chinwags. So, I have seen your premise and there are lots of logic driven by facts in what you posted up there. All of what you vouched for have only occured in spacetime. Stars with large masses than our sun have gone supernova and imploded into infinite singularities due to a compression of matter. But our sun is not a large enough star to become a blackhole and would only become a white dwarf should it go supernova, so wouldn't such facet account for the fact that our sphere in the universe was specially made? Your thoughts please......

donnffd raphieMontella ifenes weah96.. Please what are your views on this?

johnydon22:


I have no problem at all i am quite happy about your openess in clarifying your belief.

Jealousy = emotion [a neurological projection of the human brain]

Since to you God is established just like emotion it means.

God = emotion

Therefore Jealousy and God are of same essence and not an entity...

You have done marvelously well - Have fun worshipping God [your emotion]

DoctorAlien:


Most faulty logic. Because Quantum theory is established just like double circulation in humans, does it mean Quantum theory = double circulation?

Your syllogism is not only faulty, but also laughable.

johnydon22:


Just like you can disprove he doesn't have a golden pig he talks to right now in his room.

Can you?

Why is it that you all don't really check to see how ridiculous your assertions sounds before posting them.

johnydon22:


I admire you a lot, you and dorox seem to be the most reasonable Christians i know of here and i've hoped on addressing your topic immediately i saw it was you.

I am going to write a very long comprehensive reply with the utmost objectivity i can offer.

But permit brother to do that in my thread "Songs Of the world" i'm going to quote your question and carefully tender my own thoughts on it - my reply to this thread will form a chapter of it's on in my work "Songs of the worlds"

lordnicklaus:


donnffd raphieMontella ifenes weah96.. Please what are your views on this?

DoctorAlien:


Bro look at it this way: I tell you I have jealousy in my heart. Can you disprove it? Or can you ask me for a proof that I have jealousy in my heart?

Yet, look sincerely all around you: everything testifies to the existence and benevolence of GOD.

Everything like hurricane, tusnami, HIV/AIDS, solar flares, etc. Waw he is so benevolent.

ValentineMary:

Jealously is a personal feeling and only you can know if u feel that way or not. But when u say a God made me, you are no longer keeping it personal rather u are forcing a belief on me. And all I ask is proof.

Everything like hurricane, tusnami, HIV/AIDS, solar flares, etc. Waw he is so benevolent.

lordnicklaus:


Please try to avoid him. He has only shot himself by not knowing that Jupiter suffers from earthquakes even more than earth. He probably doesn't know that Mars has frozen water or that there are exo-planets with the chance of harboring living matter. Let's just continue our discussions amicably and shun every uproar or chinwags. So, I have seen your premise and there are lots of logic driven by facts in what you posted up there. All of what you vouched for have only occured in spacetime. Stars with large masses than our sun have gone supernova and imploded into infinite singularities due to a compression of matter. But our sun is not a large enough star to become a blackhole and would only become a white dwarf should it go supernova, so wouldn't such facet account for the fact that our sphere in the universe was specially made? Your thoughts please......

donnffd raphieMontella ifenes weah96.. Please what are your views on this?

Hmmm interesting. But there are billions of yellow dwarf stars like the Sun with planets orbiting them which would also not form a supernova or blackhole. Would u agree they are also special

I think our body chemistry adapted to the earth's condition making it uncomfortable for it. But if aliens exist and they come to earth, they might not live more than 15 sec. So my take on this is that our place is not special. We just evolved to adapt.

DoctorAlien:


Bro, whether you believe it or not, you were created by GOD. You will still give account of how you lived your life here on earth to Him.

You neither know who GOD is nor do you know what He had in mind for man. Disasters and diseases were never part of His creation. Sin entered and brought with it disease and disaster and death. GOD's perfect creation was marred.


Good news, however, is that things will not always be this way. GOD will destroy evil and evildoers, and then restore creation to its original state.

butterfly88:
I don't get you...is this God imperfect,and not all-knowing as we proclaim?

DoctorAlien:


Bro, whether you believe it or not, you were created by GOD. You will still give account of how you lived your life here on earth to Him.

Like seriously u gave zero evidence for ur claim and u still feel it is proper to push it on people did I say God does not exist I only said give me evidence. Which u failed to give and u want me to believe you Are u sure u are not blueagent ?

You neither know who GOD is nor do you know what He had in mind for man. Disasters and diseases were never part of His creation. Sin entered and brought with it disease and disaster and death. GOD's perfect creation was marred.

You speak just like blueagent @ bolded. How can u say that it shows u are inconsiderate and selfish. What of the 2 month old baby that died of AIDS in Uganda or the 3 year old killed by the tsunami what sin did they commit Religious fanatics like you are very insensitive and wicked. How can any sane human take u serious ?

Good news, however, is that things will not always be this way. GOD will destroy evil and evildoers, and then restore creation to its original state.

DoctorAlien:


GOD is perfect and all-knowing. Even before He created the world, He made a provision should sin enter it. That provision is Jesus Christ. The Bible calls Him the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13:8.

GOD made a provision for man should he sin. That is how much He loves man.

GOD could have stamped out sin when it came up but the only reason why GOD allowed sin to play out its effects fully is to vindicate His righteous character. By the time it would be all over, it would have been clear to the whole universe that rebellion against GOD=disaster and disease and death.

ValentineMary:

Like seriously u gave zero evidence for ur claim and u still feel it is proper to push it on people did I say God does not exist I only said give me evidence. Which u failed to give and u want me to believe you Are u sure u are not blueagent?


You speak just like blueagent @ bolded. How can u say that it shows u are inconsiderate and selfish. What of the 2 month old baby that died of AIDS in Uganda or the 3 year old killed by the tsunami what sin did they commit Religious fanatics like you are very insensitive and wicked. How can any sane human take u serious?

Now this is laughable as well as senseless. It is so senseless that it does not deserve a reply.

DoctorAlien:


GOD is perfect and all-knowing. Even before He created the world, He made a provision should sin enter it. That provision is Jesus Christ. The Bible calls Him the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13:8.

GOD made a provision for man should he sin. That is how much He loves man.

GOD could have stamped out sin when it came up but the only reason why GOD allowed sin to play out its effects fully is to vindicate Hisa righteous character. By the time it would be all over, it would have been clear to the whole universe that rebellion against GOD=disaster and disease and death.

DoctorAlien:


Bro, I said whether you like it or not, GOD created you. It's just like asking your mother for an evidence that she gave birth to you.

How am I inconsiderate and selfish? What about me is inconsiderate or selfish?

ValentineMary:


I hope u know the 2 bold text contradict?

butterfly88:
so who marred God's creation if he was the one who designed it as he wanted it,, soo because he loved us so much he gave us provision to sin?

and after words he hard to slay a lamb " himself" to appease himself for the sins he created by himself?....what kind of perfect designer is this, is this how a knowledgeable being should act?

please throw more light

Also if rebellion against GOD is the reason for such plagues why do the innocent and sometimes the child with no sin suffer?

ValentineMary:

I thought I was arguing with a smart person.

ifenes:


If is bible doesn't say it he won't believe it. It's best to ignore him. He probably thinks his god created Mars

DoctorAlien:


Satan rebelled against GOD in Heaven. He is the origin of sin.

I never said GOD made provision for us to sin. GOD made a provision to save us from sin.

GOD never created sin. Pride in the heart of Satan led him to rebel against GOD. When GOD saw He was unrepentant, He was cast out from Heaven, and his doom was sealed.

Evil and sorrow and disease and death are part of our world today because sin exists. When GOD makes all things new, all these things won't be there.