alfarouq:

The truth is that it is man's nature to relax and be selective of what he wants and what he can't involve in when he is in his comfort zone, the immigrants have always been the backbone of every economy from countries to states. You people brag as though there are no touts and the rest in your region and to cap it all, the dream of most igbos is to go to Lagos, a northerner might care less but to a southeasterner , its a dream come true.
Most of the Igbo corpers o met during Nysc male and female harbor in them the dream to go to Lagos after there service. While most of the northerners sent to Lagos for nysc sought redeployment using medical reports and other things, some Igbo were trying to grease the palm of officials so they can be sent to Lagos.

I don't disagree with you and why most pple want to come to Lagos is cos it's the commercial hub of Nigeria. Igbos and educated/enlightened pple are business minded. Opportunities abound in Lagos, most companies have their offices/HQ in Lagos and economic geography tells us that pple migrate to where the jobs are, it's a very natural reaction. Commercial cities all over the world have the laregest populatIion. If there was another seaport outside of Lagos pple would migrate to that city too.

arresa:
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Ignorant and unintelligent Igbos bore me.

But you always have the time to reply em? I can sense your fake ass from within that front you put up boy

bayelsaowei:
oboy you finish work..

Lagos must be mad for asking for some special treatment..

We all made lagos what it is..if we all leave Lagos becomes a skeletal city..

From day one, you guys in parallel Region here in Naija just can't think co4ectly about how Lagos made you all. If you leave, Lagos will become nothing. God!
Was money taken from North or East or South South to developed Lagos in Colonial Era and few years after?
In Yoruba land, we are self sufficient. Accommodating you foreigners do not mean without you all, South West Will Not Be. None of you all developed Lagos. Lagos made you. Go back to your cities and c the differences.

bayelsaowei:
without us what will your lagos be??..

Were you invited to Lagos? Are you being compelled to still stay in Lagos??

GworoChewinMaga:
Nigeria does not owe Lagos a damn thing!

The sea ports you boast off plus all other major infrastructure in Lagos was built using oil proceeds.

Nigeria has well over 800km of coastline with Apapa and Tin Can ports not having berthing space of more than 5km max.

If the other coastal cities in the Niger Delta were developed with their rightful proportional revenue from their oil wealth which happened to have been diverted to Lagos, Abuja and Kano do you think your overcrowded slum village can compete?

If anything Lagos owes Nigeria and not the other way as the financial transactions entered in Lagos are geared towards other regions and not only Lagos.

And finally, what is this useless appellation for?

You guys ridiculed and dismissed the last confab as a waste of time which was meant to start Nigeria back on the road of genuine restructioning only for you to now employ almajiri tactics to beg for more money to fund Lagos?

FYI : Salt was a major trade commodity in the trans sahelian trade with Borno providing salt from Lake Chad. Some of the salt mined from the salty beds of the Chad lake found their way inland. And if you must know before any yoruba set foot in Lagos, the Binis had already occupied it as a war camp. You guys should as a matter of urgency stop claiming Lagos as a yoruba achievement because you had little or nothing to do with its initial occupation, development and financial progress.

Please I need you to shed light on some "facts" stated in your comment above, truly we know "Eko" means war camp and it was used for that purpose by benin empire. The only documented and verifiable fact about benin empire not bini people started from 1180 when it was established, you may not know but I will definitely state it that bini people, benin empire are descendants of igodomigodo and their kings are known as ogiso not oba, the Oba era began with the establishment of benin empire in 1180 but yorubaland has been existing before then. The people who lived in Yorubaland, at least by the seventh century BC, were not initially known as the Yoruba, although they shared a common ethnicity and language group. The historical Yoruba develop in situ, out of earlier (Mesolithic) Volta-Niger populations, by the 1st millennium B.C.E.
Archaeologically, the settlement at Ife can be dated to the 4th century BC, with urban structures appearing in the 12th century. We're all refined here and shouldn't use oral traditions or myths which we know may have been exaggerated over time as a point when we comment. The yorubas have a history that predates the establishment of benin empire in 1180 and these are documented but I keep wondering about the documented history or artifact of igodomigodo before 355 BC because even the igodomigodo dynasty was not dated until recently by one of their wack websites which means it is not verifiable.
The Benin empire took advantage of a scattered region by capturing those regions but this ended with the establishment of the Oyo empire in 1600.
I will only reply if you can give us verifiable facts of the existence of the bini people or igodomigodo dynasty (ended 1091)before yoruba please don't cite oral tradition or myths.

uzolexis:


I don't disagree with you and why most pple want to come to Lagos is cos it's the commercial hub of Nigeria. Igbos and educated/enlightened pple are business minded. Opportunities abound in Lagos, most companies have their offices/HQ in Lagos and economic geography tells us that pple migrate to where the jobs are, it's a very natural reaction. Commercial cities all over the world have the laregest populatIion. If there was another seaport outside of Lagos pple would migrate to that city too.

all the landlocked countries do they have sea ports yet, many of them are economically better than Nigeria...

What's up with all these accommodating ? Nobody was forced to join Nigeria. If you feel the balance in lagos is threatened,the best thing to do is to declare lagos a state. Or better still,support those who wants to leave the union and you can have your lagos in peace. Lagos owes Nigeria and not the other way around. Why some peeps here feel Lagos is what it is because of the ingenuity of the indigenes is very false. Lagos was commercial yes we agree. But the infrastructure that was built by the FG can not be replicated by the state government because it would take a massive number of years and a very large amount of funds to prosecute. Lagosians should be grateful for the efforts made by the british and the FG in their state. What they have benefited, no other state has received a quarter of it excerpt abuja,and we all know how abuja is today. If we were to practice fiscal federalism, who would even bother to leave his region down to the lagos? Apart from lagos,I cannot live in any other state in the SW. The truth is that what lagos got is as a result of the bias and injustice that Nigeria as an entity encourages. I see no reason why 80% of the infrastructure of Nigeria would be in only one state when we have 36 !! It doesn't encourage development.

Elebiju:
Please I need you to shed light on some "facts" stated in your comment above, truly we know "Eko" means war camp and it was used for that purpose by benin empire. The only documented and verifiable fact about benin empire not bini people started from 1180 when it was established, you may not know but I will definitely state it that bini people, benin empire are descendants of igodomigodo and their kings are known as ogiso not oba, the Oba era began with the establishment of benin empire in 1180 but yorubaland has been existing before then. The people who lived in Yorubaland, at least by the seventh century BC, were not initially known as the Yoruba, although they shared a common ethnicity and language group. The historical Yoruba develop in situ, out of earlier (Mesolithic) Volta-Niger populations, by the 1st millennium B.C.E.
Archaeologically, the settlement at Ife can be dated to the 4th century BC, with urban structures appearing in the 12th century. We're all refined here and shouldn't use oral traditions or myths which we know may have been exaggerated over time as a point when we comment. The yorubas have a history that predates the establishment of benin empire in 1180 and these are documented but I keep wondering about the documented history or artifact of igodomigodo before 355 BC because even the igodomigodo dynasty was not dated until recently by one of their wack websites which means it is not verifiable.
The Benin empire took advantage of a scattered region by capturing those regions but this ended with the establishment of the Oyo empire in 1600.
I will only reply if you can give us verifiable facts of the existence of the bini people or igodomigodo dynasty (ended 1091)before yoruba please don't cite oral tradition or myths.

Lagos was never a "war camp"... Lagos was an agricultural settlement controlled by the yorubas.. it was also used as a center of trade with the yorubas allowing people of other tribes to make trades..

the yorubas from time memorial have been welcoming and tolerant. you can't get facts of bini people because they were originally a sub-yoruba group with a slightly different language that's why the yorubas allowed them have a kingdom...

If the binis were that powerful they would have more population than the yorubas...

bayelsaowei:
we move we move with all investments...you end up with a skeletal city. ..you want that??

yes.. Leave us with skeletal city.. Just carry your crime and flat heads commot for here ..

GworoChewinMaga:


What arrant nonsense are you on about?

We are asking for 100% resource control and from there (if we choose to remain in Nigeria) to pay our corporate tax to the central govt. What nonsense 13%!!

When did the ND begin to draw the paltry 13% sef? Is it not just from 2004 and you expect us to be like Dubai already forgetting that other than infrastructural deficits we needed to invest heavily in social welfare programs and poverty alleviation schemes as well.

Don't you dare mention that rubbish 13% because Lagos, Abuja have drawn more than that on an annual basis since 1970 and these twin cities are no where near dubai so why do you expect the ND to have transformed over night?

And where are those developments and poverty alleviation bla bla u,re talking about,if the 13% have been managed well maybe majority of your busineess tycoons would have easily gone home to invest.Why are you all still glued to the high commercial gains in Lagos.Even in other regions omo onile exists too.Ina all major markets in the east they obtain before any trailers of goods manufactured in Lagos are offloaded.

codemaniacs:


all the landlocked countries do they have sea ports yet, many of them are economically better than Nigeria...

The seaport is just an example and many landlocked countries are poor compared to their non-landlocked counterparts. Check every continent, the landlocked countries are the poorest. The benefits of having a seaport can not be overestimated.
My point is migration and commercialisation go hand in hand, one cannot exist without the other and that's the reason why Lagos is populated.

Earth2Metahuman:
yes.. Leave us with skeletal city.. Just carry your crime and flatvheads commit for here ..

So you mean to say flat heads are the conductors and street urchins who steal from people along the road in lagos? ?.

Ikigia:


Were you invited to Lagos? Are you being compelled to still stay in Lagos??

lagos invited us...lagos needed us and called for us...

bayelsaowei:



So you mean to say flat heads are the conductors and street urchins who steal from people along the road in lagos? ?.

yes.. Those fanyogo boys and fake product sellers.

meccuno:
What's up with all these accommodating ? Nobody was forced to join Nigeria. If you feel the balance in lagos is threatened,the best thing to do is to declare lagos a state. Or better still,support those who wants to leave the union and you can have your lagos in peace. Lagos owes Nigeria and not the other way around. Why some peeps here feel Lagos is what it is because of the ingenuity of the indigenes is very false. Lagos was commercial yes we agree. But the infrastructure that was built by the FG can not be replicated by the state government because it would take a massive number of years and a very large amount of funds to prosecute. Lagosians should be grateful for the efforts made by the british and the FG in their state. What they have benefited, no other state has received a quarter of it excerpt abuja,and we all know how abuja is today. If we were to practice fiscal federalism, who would even bother to leave his region down to the lagos? Apart from lagos,I cannot live in any other state in the SW. The truth is that what lagos got is as a result of the bias and injustice that Nigeria as an entity encourages. I see no reason why 80% of the infrastructure of Nigeria would be in only one state when we have 36 !! It doesn't encourage development.

for you to say nobody was forced to join Nigeria shows how inexperienced and ignorant you are... 95% of the countries that have fought civil wars separated after the civil war..

when the northerners wanted to secede from Nigeria they were warned by foreigners who had interests in Nigeria not to secede that most of Nigeria's wealth and revenue comes from southern Nigeria and not from groundnuts.. why do you think any small problem happens in Nigeria they start singing "one Nigeria"..

why do you think they are using their cartel and FG to acquire land in the south
why do you think regionalism was abolished
why do you think they are against any region seceding
why do you think they are trying to take Lagos from Yorubas politically

You are very inexperienced..

codemaniacs:


Lagos was never a "war camp"... Lagos was an agricultural settlement controlled by the yorubas.. it was also used as a center of trade with the yorubas allowing people of other tribes to make trades..

the yorubas from time memorial have been welcoming and tolerant. you can't get facts of bini people because they were originally a sub-yoruba group with a slightly different language that's why the yorubas allowed them have a kingdom...

If the binis were that powerful they would have more population than the yorubas...

"Eko" was infact a war camp after Benin empire captured it not before. Lagos was originally inhabited by the Awori subgroup of the Yoruba people in the 15th century,who called it "Oko". Under the leadership of the Oloye Olofin, the Awori moved to an island now called Iddo and then to the larger Lagos Island.In the 16th century, the Awori settlement was conquered by the Benin Empire and the island became a Benin war-camp called "Eko" under Oba Orhogba, the Oba of Benin at the time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos

uzolexis:

The seaport is just an example and many landlocked countries are poor compared to their non-landlocked counterparts. Check every continent, the landlocked countries are the poorest. The benefits of having a seaport can not be overestimated.
My point is migration and commercialisation go hand in hand, one cannot exist without the other and that's the reason why Lagos is populated.

No... a population with good purchasing power and development go hand in hand..

the reason Lagos is populated is because there was a civil war and during and after war people seek refuge in other places. unfortunately Lagos and Yorubas were welcoming and refugees were allowed to stay in the name of one Nigeria and some of those refugees prospered and settled in those places..

GworoChewinMaga:
What does Lagos actually contribute to the National economy?

The FG and corporate environment are lamenting over recession induced not from a slump in business activities in Lagos but because of a fall in oil pricing at the intl market?

If Lagos was so economically relevant, why hasn't Lagos found a way to rescue our economy?

The answer to this is simply that Lagos is a mere beneficiary and not in any way a driving force of the nigerian economy.

There are now more functional operating companies in Ogun State and along Ibadan Expressway than there are in Lagos. That thus rules Lagos out as a leading industrial hub.

The only skewed advantage Lagos has over any state is the domicialation of corporate and financial headquarters (a throw back to the time Lagos was the political capital of Nigeria) and also the monopoly Lagos ports enjoy ( due to an intentional anti developmental policy towards the SS/SE by the FG after the civil war).

Even the VAT claimed is not only from yoruba Lagos but from Nigerians from every nook and cranny residing and working in Lagos.

So why should Lagos get more than it has unduly gotten from over the years?

This should have ended this thread. Well thought and put. Simple and concise.

codemaniacs:


No... a population with good purchasing power and development go hand in hand..

the reason Lagos is populated is because there was a civil war and during and after war people seek refuge in other places. unfortunately Lagos and Yorubas were welcoming and refugees were allowed to stay in the name of one Nigeria and some of those refugees prospered and settled in those places..

We are both saying the same thing. what fuels purchasing power, is it not commercialisation Will pple be able to spend if they don't have a good source of income Kano for example is very populated but the purchasing power is low cos it is not as commercialised as Lagos. Lagos was populated even before the civil war, it was the capital of Nigeria then and had pple from all over Nigeria. Ojukwu's father(the then richest man in Africa) had lots and lots of property all over Lagos Island, I have relatives whose Parents where living in Lagos long before the civil war, had businesses and investments in Lagos and even worked as civil servants in Lagos as it was the capital then. It is not unfortunate that anybody was welcoming anybody, we decided to remain as one Nigeria after the civil war and that gives every Nigerian the right to live in any part of the country he/ she chooses to and Lagos being the economic and administrative capital of Nigeria attracted more pple than anywhere else in the country which is very normal as economic geography stipulates.
My point, Nigerians built Lagos together, all tribes in Nigeria contributed to making Lagos what it is today.

Elebiju:
"Eko" was infact a war camp after Benin empire captured it not before. Lagos was originally inhabited by the Awori subgroup of the Yoruba people in the 15th century,who called it "Oko". Under the leadership of the Oloye Olofin, the Awori moved to an island now called Iddo and then to the larger Lagos Island.In the 16th century, the Awori settlement was conquered by the Benin Empire and the island became a Benin war-camp called "Eko" under Oba Orhogba, the Oba of Benin at the time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos

Anyone can write rubbish on wikipedia, stop believing what you read and apply common sense to what you read online... look around you how many bini speaking people are currently in Lagos...

uzolexis:

We are both saying the same thing. what fuels purchasing power, is it not commercialisation Will pple be able to spend if they don't have a good source of income Kano for example is very populated but the purchasing power is low cos it is not as commercialised as Lagos. Lagos was populated even before the civil war, it was the capital of Nigeria then and had pple from all over Nigeria. Ojukwu's father(the then richest man in Africa) had lots and lots of property all over Lagos Island, I have relatives whose Parents where living in Lagos long before the civil war, had businesses and investments in Lagos and even worked as civil servants in Lagos as it was the capital then. It is not unfortunate that anybody was welcoming anybody, we decided to remain as one Nigeria after the civil war and that gives every Nigerian the right to live in any part of the country he/ she chooses to and Lagos being the economic and administrative capital of Nigeria attracted more pple than anywhere else in the country which is very normal as economic geography stipulates.
My point, Nigerians built Lagos together, all tribes in Nigeria contributed to making Lagos what it is today.

why would a rich mans' son go to war stop saying what people told you..

you can believe what you want.... but I will never believe the lie that all tribes built Lagos

codemaniacs:


why would a rich mans' son go to war stop saying what people told you..

you can believe what you want.... but I will never believe the lie that all tribes built Lagos

@the bolded, did you seriously ask that question that's very hilarious, so only poor pple go to war
Nothing wey i no go hear for this NL I swear. Ojukwu went to the best schools both in and ouside Nigeria, he went to King's college Lagos (an evidence that non yorubas where already living in Lagos before the war) and oxford University, London.
"Sir Ojukwu was the first and founding President of The Nigerian Stock Exchange as well as President of The African Continental Bank. He was also either Chairman or on the board of directors of some of Nigeria's most profitable companies such as Shell Oil Nigeria Limited, Guinness Nig. Ltd, Nigerian National Shipping Lines, Nigerian Cement Factory, Nigerian Coal Corporation, Costain West Africa Ltd, John Holt, Nigerian Marketing Board amongst others. He won a parliamentary seat during the nation's first republic. During the 1950s, he diversified his interest, bought some industries, invested heavily in the real estate sector and became a director in numerous major corporations including the state-owned Nigerian National Shipping Line. He was a member of the board of Nigerian Coal Corporation, Shell Oil, D'Archy, and African Continental Bank."
The bolded is part of the biography of Ojukwu's father so my dear, I know what I am saying.
Also, if it was cos of the welcoming nature of the yorubas that pple flocked to Lagos like you said, where is it that other yoruba states outside Lagos don't share the diversity that Lagos has or the yorubas there a different breed of non-welcoming yorubas.
You can choose to accept the fact and truth or you can choose to keep deceiving yourself, the ball is in your court.

The one that makes me laugh is when an igbo person asks if a Yoruba person is from Lagos, that why is he/she claiming Lagos. They forget that this is not about state created by some people, but about the Yoruba race itself. It's like asking why an Imo person is claiming Enugu. They are both of igbo land! When the igbos put up questions like this, it irks me.

GworoChewinMaga:
Nigeria does not owe Lagos a damn thing!

The sea ports you boast off plus all other major infrastructure in Lagos was built using oil proceeds.

Nigeria has well over 800km of coastline with Apapa and Tin Can ports not having berthing space of more than 5km max.

If the other coastal cities in the Niger Delta were developed with their rightful proportional revenue from their oil wealth which happened to have been diverted to Lagos, Abuja and Kano do you think your overcrowded slum village can compete?

If anything Lagos owes Nigeria and not the other way as the financial transactions entered in Lagos are geared towards other regions and not only Lagos.

And finally, what is this useless appellation for?

You guys ridiculed and dismissed the last confab as a waste of time which was meant to start Nigeria back on the road of genuine restructioning only for you to now employ almajiri tactics to beg for more money to fund Lagos?

FYI : Salt was a major trade commodity in the trans sahelian trade with Borno providing salt from Lake Chad. Some of the salt mined from the salty beds of the Chad lake found their way inland. And if you must know before any yoruba set foot in Lagos, the Binis had already occupied it as a war camp. You guys should as a matter of urgency stop claiming Lagos as a yoruba achievement because you had little or nothing to do with its initial occupation, development and financial progress.

Your history is either really bad or even worse you are horribly self deluded. Lagos occupied by binis? Don't start today with blatantly false and untrue comments. Go and read about the initial occupation of lagos by the British and the vital role it played in its development. Go and look at the stats on how much lagos contributes to the genera income of the polity. Go and look up the stats on the population density per land mass in lagos. I don't wanna write an epistle but know the facts before you spew nonsense.

codemaniacs:


Anyone can write rubbish on wikipedia, stop believing what you read and apply common sense to what you read online... look around you how many bini speaking people are currently in Lagos...

How many streets are even named after Benin people? Lol.

sarrki:


Online activist I ear you

Am very sure all your ranting won't even hit the front page

Not to talk of the people in power to read of it

your comment pushed it to front page proving you are wrong.

uzolexis:


@the bolded, did you seriously ask that question that's very hilarious, so only poor pple go to war
Nothing wey i no go hear for this NL I swear. Ojukwu went to the best schools both in and ouside Nigeria, he went to King's college Lagos (an evidence that non yorubas where already living in Lagos before the war) and oxford University, London.
"Sir Ojukwu was the first and founding President of The Nigerian Stock Exchange as well as President of The African Continental Bank. He was also either Chairman or on the board of directors of some of Nigeria's most profitable companies such as Shell Oil Nigeria Limited, Guinness Nig. Ltd, Nigerian National Shipping Lines, Nigerian Cement Factory, Nigerian Coal Corporation, Costain West Africa Ltd, John Holt, Nigerian Marketing Board amongst others. He won a parliamentary seat during the nation's first republic. During the 1950s, he diversified his interest, bought some industries, invested heavily in the real estate sector and became a director in numerous major corporations including the state-owned Nigerian National Shipping Line. He was a member of the board of Nigerian Coal Corporation, Shell Oil, D'Archy, and African Continental Bank."
The bolded is part of the biography of Ojukwu's father so my dear, I know what I am saying.
Also, if it was cos of the welcoming nature of the yorubas that pple flocked to Lagos like you said, where is it that other yoruba states outside Lagos don't share the diversity that Lagos has or the yorubas there a different breed of non-welcoming yorubas.
You can choose to accept the fact and truth or you can choose to keep deceiving yourself, the ball is in your court.

You just gave me proof of what I always suspected

where are those companies today

to be a member of the board of such companies in those days means the person was a slave

I have always suspected the civil war was a plan to use the igbos (o:jukwus) and northerners(d:antatas) as pawns to get a hold of the oil that was largely in the western region ...

I always wondered what the "ikembas" role was I never knew his father had that kind of "influence" that only colonial masters can give. now I see why ojukwu escaped peacefully

thank you very much

Ps3ver:


Your history is either really bad or even worse you are horribly self deluded. Lagos occupied by binis? Don't start today with blatantly false and untrue comments. Go and read about the initial occupation of lagos by the British and the vital role it played in its development. Go and look at the stats on how much lagos contributes to the genera income of the polity. Go and look up the stats on the population density per land mass in lagos. I don't wanna write an epistle but know the facts before you spew nonsense.

tell them oh. blindly hating on lagos cos of regionalization.

jaydee87:
tell them oh. blindly hating on lagos cos of regionalization.

Maybe we should even merge Lagos with Ogun to send a deep message to those hating on the Yorubas.

codemaniacs:


You just gave me proof of what I always suspected

where are those companies today

to be a member of the board of such companies in those days means the person was a slave

I have always suspected the civil war was a plan to use the igbos (o:jukwus) and northerners(d:antatas) as pawns to get a hold of the oil that was largely in the western region ...

I always wondered what the "ikembas" role was I never knew his father had that kind of "influence" that only colonial masters can give. now I see why ojukwu escaped peacefully

thank you very much

@ the bolded i'm sorry but your are unrelenting in exercising your ignorance. Ojukwu's father was a industrious business man, like I said the richest man in west Africa then, he was no slave.

The oil was not in the western region for christ sake,when Nigeria was still regional, rivers, Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom, cross river which produces most of the oil for Nigeria was in the eastern region. You can't be this ignorant or dumb for christ sake, I think you are displaying this kind of stu.pidityy deliberately cos I don't think anyone old enough to be on NL is this dumb.

You still didn't answer my question

if it was cos of the welcoming nature of the yorubas that pple flocked to Lagos like you said, where is it that other yoruba states outside Lagos don't share the diversity that Lagos has or the yorubas there a different breed of non-welcoming yorubas?

Earth2Metahuman:
yes.. Those fanyogo boys and fake product sellers.

You funny...

We've all been separated by tribalism. ..If only this country can be restructured there would be much unity and none of us would have to make derogatory statements like the ones we've made...

So sad....

bayelsaowei:


You funny...

We've all been separated by tribalism. ..If only this country can be restructured there would be much unity and none of us would have to make derogatory statements like the ones we've made...

So sad....

restructuring won't change the people