Henry120:



2. Go read up on the MI-35M Hind E
[/b]

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi-35m-hind-e/

I just did, it is completely lacking in comparison to the Rooivalk!!

Do you want me to post it here so that it is on record?

I would gladly do so!!

Henry120:


Exactly!!

It's hull would be done in China, and the rest of the fittings completed in Port-Harcourt. The contract is right on track.

Uhm...Aguastine said your BUILDING 70% of the ship!

jln115:


"You know why I always say you are the duumbest white boy I ever met in recent times?"

Oh really? when did you meet me mate? BTW this is fvcking ironic coming from someone who thinks air is more dens at higher altitude.

Secondly does it matter if it was just one of your OPVs ? I was speaking generally as Henry always likes to say. You said your OPVs were being towed to Lagos, all i did was prove you wrong once again.


Pic: F91 NOT being towed

Hey mumu, F91 was signed by contract to be 100% built in China and sail around the world from Asia to Europe to Africa, so how do you tow a 100% completed ship? Are you a white man with the brain of a Zulu?

Who has ever said F91 was to be towed by tug boat to Lagos? You gone maaaad ?

The rest of your comment is garbage because of the dumbazz stuff you keep writing. Olodo.

LOL.

Henry120:


When you want to tell lies, please tell your "stand alone" lies, don't try to drag anyone, especially me into it.


You claimed Nigerian Navy OPVs, weren't towed into South-Africa, yet you went ahead to post a Photo of NNS Centenary, where is that of NNS Unity passing through Simmons town?

When that @jn115 guy screws himself up, he tries to drag as many people as possible down with him into the mud pit. I noticed how @patches carefully avoided the guy in his crusade of "SAAF Gripen jets armed with air to ground missiles in Congo/Zambia".

LOL.....the guy na real mumu.

lionel4power:


Your IQ is still dropping below minus zero very fast. I said ur heroine is getting old. (9 yrs and counting) And when is said Congo was richer than Thailand I meant it sarcastically. (I could have chosen any other country Bro with confirmed wealth) You SA live by every word dat drops out of a Nigerian mouth.

Dude if 9 years is old to you, what about your 60 year old Frigates NNS Thunder and Okpabana and 35+ year old Aradu.

And in fact we don't live by every word that comes out of your month, all we do is correct every fvcking sentence you guys post , you should actually thank us for being so kind and correcting all your mistakes, and yes there's been a sh1t load of them.

patches689:


No - the need and a corrisponding project was created 23 years ago

But it was placed on hold when the Navy figured out that they could refit the strike-craft as OPVs

Those tiny boat strike crafts are just local home-based OPV, they cannot patrol deep ocean, you call them OPV? No, they are 415 ton boats and are mid shore patrol, not real OPV offshore class like Nigeria's 3,250 ton ships that are real OPVs.

Project Biro won't work for many years, it's a half dead horse. LOL.

Technically, South Africa has NO SINGLE OPV, that's why you use Frigates to do OPV duty in Mozambique. LOL. Fools
.

patches689:


Its a guided bomb

A shilka wont shoot it down

Its cheaper than ASMs

Roland can be overwhelmed by saturation attack

Starstreak and CRAM can shoot down your ASM

A bomb is a bomb and will always be a bomb with slow speed.

Shilka is built to shoot down the class of Hawk jets that can fly faster than your bomb.

300 Roland Vs 50 Paveway bombs, NA will wipe out SAAF 3 times over.

SANDF has NO CRAM in service today 2015.

CASE CLOSED. You lose again, LOL.

patches689:


Why?

It's the only way to prove your claims, so....

List the upgrade details and the dates they were made, so we can know how modern the Rooivalk is today 2015....
.

patches689:


Still bragging about scaring of a supply ship?

That is the hight of nigerias acheivement - threatening cargo ships

Nope, it is a well armed supply warship with heavy anti-aircraft cannon, 4× Oerlikon 20 mm cannon; 6 × 12,7 mm Browning machine guns, that's 10 guns armed to protect the SAS Drakensberg. Your navy was just too afraid of NAF Alpha jets.

South Africans were boasting about the SAS Drakensberg as "Jacob Zuma's big warship inside Nigeria's backyard"

Your 50 million SA people did not see it as a cargo ship, they saw it as your means of force projection by naval power.

Nigeria shocked your navy and fear made you do the Seleka style race by sea
.

AugustineAgain:


Hey mumu, F91 was signed by contract to be 100% built in China and sail around the world from Asia to Europe to Africa, so how do you tow a 100% completed ship? Are you a white man with the brain of a Zulu?

Who has ever said F91 was to be towed by tug boat to Lagos? You gone maaaad ?

The rest of your comment is garbage because of the dumbazz stuff you keep writing. Olodo.

LOL.

Well dude here's your F92 still in China, looking basically 100% complete.

So what exactly will Nigeria be building?

patches689:


Off topic post

We are talking about indian hinds not ukranian ones

It was Ukrainian Hinds that attacked in partnership with Rooivalk. I am on point.

jln115:

Well dude here's your F92 still in China, looking basically 100% complete.

So what exactly will Nigeria be building?

Fool, show us the interior of the ship, or the hull and deck is 100% of a ship, like your head and skull is 100% complete with no brain inside.

Foolish boy . LOL.

This guy does not know when to smartly sneak out of a trap he set for himself by just avoiding the argument, and pretending he did not even know there was any argument, instead he prolongs it like a fool trapping himself more and more.

Are these the people that will rule South Africa in future? Then Burundi will then overtake SA in next generation.

saengine:


If you bring Nigerian standards to this argument you will be demolished each and every time.

Firstly...."50-70%" is NOT an agreement or contract. That is simply the Chinese playing you like f00ls. A firm agreement or contract will state that these specific parts will be built by these specific companies, no later than this specific time, and not costing more than this specific price. If costs are over-run or if production is late, penalties are paid. That is a firm agreement or contract. Do not dare come here with Nigerian standards..."we'll build-o 50-70% depending on what mood we're in".

Secondly....every single bolt and screw on that ship is paid for by the Nigerian Navy. In that hole you called a head, you think it's wise to have the Chinese build the superstructure, the bulkhead, the communication mask, fittings. Sail it to Nigeria, then have Nigeria disassemble what they dont like, add their own bits? Listen to yourself f00l. Your small brain is confusing modularity with construction.

If that ship had anyhing to do with Nigeria building 50-70% of it, its keel would have been laid in Nigeria. There is nothing more to that ship Nigeria can add to in the construction phase...simple. The Chinese lied to you...deal with it. Argument over.

Oh and why are airliners pressurized? Why do you keep running away from the question like a little b.itch?

Sorry, I could not find a single source or citation in your long story above. You pulled that out of your Gay-Screwed-Bum ?

Okay, here is my own source http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-18300358

CASE CLOSED.

jln115:

Dude you are fvcking lost again! It was Agaugust who said your OPVs were/will be towed to LAGOS

Quote where I said Nigerian OPVs WERE or WILL be towed to Lagos.

I pity the school that admitted you to spoil their academic ranking.

Henry120:


You are completely r3tarded. Agaugust was referring to the 2nd OPV, F-92, not the first OPV delivered.

It has always been clear that a significant part of the 2nd OPV would be completed in Port-Harcourt.

That guy @jn115 needs brain surgery.

patches689:


Heroin sub will have a life-span of up to 40 years.

It has completed 1/4 of its life cycle... and when it gets old it will be replaced.

So what?

South African navy Heroine class Type 209 Submarines are actually becoming obsolescent, it's a 1990s design. A new variant is already come after it and now in the market.

Egypt has purchases two more modern Type 209 submarines armed with both torpedoes and also anti-ship missiles for long range sea combat. South Africa does NOT have the best Submarine in Africa, it's Egypt and Algeria now leading African sea power
.

.
[size=20pt]Rooivalk Remains 30 Years Obsolete.

Fake Upgrades :[/size]

There is NO PROOF that the Rooivalk computers or avionics were upgraded as proposed. No proof the money was release, no proof the job was done.

The only certain upgrade was to add ability to use Mokopa missile which was never ordered into service.

Next job was the over-heating cannon that was cooled from overheating, repaired, not upgraded. ZERO technology advancement. Same old gun

Rooivalk remains 30 years obsolete....even Rwanda won't buy it !


"Denel Aviation finally handed over five new Rooivalk Mark 1 combat helicopters to the South African Air Force on 1 April 2011, after years of development, building and testing.

The new Rooivalk Mk.1 is not much different to its old predecessor , the AH-2 Rooivalk.

The cannons which used to be a bother on the older Rooivalk by overheating very quickly and preventing rapid and sustained fire, have now been fixed.

The chief of the South African Air Force General Carlo Gagiano said, “ What is new is the Mokopa missile , which was test-fired at the Overberg range a long time ago and we had some very good results.”

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-04-04-rooivalk-the-next-generation-mark-1/#.VWZ7hvlVhBd

"The investment comes despite the helicopter's builder, Denel, questioning the viability of the 23-year-old project. The rotorcraft's cockpit reflects an avionics and computer processing power system that is now two decades old.

They are divided on whether the project is worth the effort. Some sources say it amounts to throwing good money after bad and paying for a Porsche to do a CitiGolf's job."

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5449&catid=96:defence-and-aerospace-technology


Rooivalk remains a 30 year obsolete attack helicopter.

CASE CLOSED
.


.

patches689:


Rooivalk Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE).

Nap Of Earth?

NOE flight by Rooivalk? Last time your SAAF pilot tried it he crashed the Rooivalk, your computers are old....and bad.

NAF is proving the Hind to be better, see a modern Nigerian Hind helicopter doing NOE flight, we have done it over and over again and succeeded.

No wonder NAF is the best performing air force in the world 2015. See our own NOE flight at tree top level, we did not crash like Rooivalk o !
.

AugustineAgain:


Those tiny boat strike crafts are just local home-based OPV, they cannot patrol deep ocean, you call them OPV? No, they are 415 ton boats and are mid shore patrol, not real OPV offshore class like Nigeria's 3,250 ton ships that are real OPVs.

Project Biro won't work for many years, it's a half dead horse. LOL.

Technically, South Africa has NO SINGLE OPV, that's why you use Frigates to do OPV duty in Mozambique. LOL. Fools
.

And yet again you have shifted the argument

Warrior class has a 4000 mile range, your Type 056 has only a 2000 mile range

Warrior class outranges your OPV

Lol

AugustineAgain:


A bomb is a bomb and will always be a bomb with slow speed.

Shilka is built to shoot down the class of Hawk jets that can fly faster than your bomb.

300 Roland Vs 50 Paveway bombs, NA will wipe out SAAF 3 times over.

SANDF has NO CRAM in service today 2015.

CASE CLOSED. You lose again, LOL.

Yet we have shown bomb falls at around 100kmph

Shilka cannot target something as small as a bomb without smart munitions

No - 16 roland launchers with 2 missiles (16X2 = 32). That means that they can easily by overwhelmed by saturation attack

SANDF CRAM is entering service as we speak

Case was never open - you were talking sh1t as usual

AugustineAgain:


It's the only way to prove your claims, so....

List the upgrade details and the dates they were made, so we can know how modern the Rooivalk is today 2015....
.

Rooivalk Specifications:

Thales TopOwl Helmets
- A Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE).
- TopOwl incorporates an integrated measurement system for directing an articulated weapon such as the cannon, or air-to-air missile seeker heads (look to kill capabilities).

Electronic Warfare
- Rooivalk's electronic warfare suite is the fully integrated helicopter electronic warfare self-protection suite (HEWSPS)
- incorporates: radar warning, laser warning and countermeasures dispensing system.
- The system is flight-line programmable and in-flight adaptable to match the threat library with the mission's area of operation.
-radar warner features low-effective radiated power (ERP) / pulse Doppler radar detection beyond radar detection range, ultra broadband frequency coverage, high pulse density handling and internal instantaneous frequency measurement.
- laser warner provides broadband laser frequency coverage to detect and display rangefinding, designating and missile guidance laser threats.
- the countermeasures dispensing system, which is operated in manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic mode, is charged with chaff and flare cartridges.

TDATS (Target detection, acquisition and tracking)

- The TDATS sight is equipped with a low-level television sensor
- Forward-looking infrared (FLIR)
- autotracker
- laser rangefinder
-laser designator.

Navigation
- Doppler radar velocity sensor
- Thales Avionics eight-channel global positioning system
- heading sensor unit and an air data unit.

Communication
- two VHF/UHF transceivers with FM, AM with digital speech processing
- one HF radio with frequency hopping
- secure voice and data channels
- and an IFF transponder.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/

[size=20pt]Now your job is simple:

1. Show which of these capabilities existed 30 years ago
2. Show which of these capabilities your Hind has.

AugustineAgain:


Nope, it is a well armed supply warship with heavy anti-aircraft cannon, 4× Oerlikon 20 mm cannon; 6 × 12,7 mm Browning machine guns, that's 10 guns armed to protect the SAS Drakensberg. Your navy was just too afraid of NAF Alpha jets.

South Africans were boasting about the SAS Drakensberg as "Jacob Zuma's big warship inside Nigeria's backyard"

Your 50 million SA people did not see it as a cargo ship, they saw it as your means of force projection by naval power.

Nigeria shocked your navy and fear made you do the Seleka style race by sea
.

No, that is a lightly armed supply ship

So again, well done on scaring off a supply vessel

Such an impressive achievement

AugustineAgain:


It was Ukrainian Hinds that attacked in partnership with Rooivalk. I am on point.

So then post a citation which shows it was ukranian hinds

AugustineAgain:


South African navy Heroine class Type 209 Submarines are actually becoming obsolescent, it's a 1990s design. A new variant is already come after it and now in the market.

Egypt has purchases two more modern Type 209 submarines armed with both torpedoes and also anti-ship missiles for long range sea combat. South Africa does NOT have the best Submarine in Africa, it's Egypt and Algeria now leading African sea power
.

Yeah yeah, its obsolecent because you say so - its not like they get overhauled and upgraded every 2-3 years or something

And no - the Type 209's dont have anti-ship missiles[b] AND ARE BASED ON OUR SUBMARINE[/b]

The Egyptian Government has signed an agreement with Germany for the procurement of two Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft (HDW)-built SSK Manthatisi-class Type-209 submarines
http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsgermany-deliver-two-type-209-submarines-egypt

Manthatisi class is the class of Type 209 operated by the SAN named after the lead vessel - THE MANTHATISI
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/sskmanthatisi/

You see!! Our submarines are so advanced even mighty egypt copies us!!

AugustineAgain:

.
[size=20pt]Rooivalk Remains 30 Years Obsolete.

Fake Upgrades :[/size]

There is NO PROOF that the Rooivalk computers or avionics were upgraded as proposed. No proof the money was release, no proof the job was done.

The only certain upgrade was to add ability to use Mokopa missile which was never ordered into service.

Next job was the over-heating cannon that was cooled from overheating, repaired, not upgraded. ZERO technology advancement. Same old gun

Rooivalk remains 30 years obsolete....even Rwanda won't buy it !


"Denel Aviation finally handed over five new Rooivalk Mark 1 combat helicopters to the South African Air Force on 1 April 2011, after years of development, building and testing.

The new Rooivalk Mk.1 is not much different to its old predecessor , the AH-2 Rooivalk.

The cannons which used to be a bother on the older Rooivalk by overheating very quickly and preventing rapid and sustained fire, have now been fixed.

The chief of the South African Air Force General Carlo Gagiano said, “ What is new is the Mokopa missile , which was test-fired at the Overberg range a long time ago and we had some very good results.”

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-04-04-rooivalk-the-next-generation-mark-1/#.VWZ7hvlVhBd

"The investment comes despite the helicopter's builder, Denel, questioning the viability of the 23-year-old project. The rotorcraft's cockpit reflects an avionics and computer processing power system that is now two decades old.

They are divided on whether the project is worth the effort. Some sources say it amounts to throwing good money after bad and paying for a Porsche to do a CitiGolf's job."

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5449&catid=96:defence-and-aerospace-technology


Rooivalk remains a 30 year obsolete attack helicopter.

CASE CLOSED
.


.

Rooivalk Specifications:

Thales TopOwl Helmets
- A Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE).
- TopOwl incorporates an integrated measurement system for directing an articulated weapon such as the cannon, or air-to-air missile seeker heads (look to kill capabilities).

Electronic Warfare
- Rooivalk's electronic warfare suite is the fully integrated helicopter electronic warfare self-protection suite (HEWSPS)
- incorporates: radar warning, laser warning and countermeasures dispensing system.
- The system is flight-line programmable and in-flight adaptable to match the threat library with the mission's area of operation.
-radar warner features low-effective radiated power (ERP) / pulse Doppler radar detection beyond radar detection range, ultra broadband frequency coverage, high pulse density handling and internal instantaneous frequency measurement.
- laser warner provides broadband laser frequency coverage to detect and display rangefinding, designating and missile guidance laser threats.
- the countermeasures dispensing system, which is operated in manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic mode, is charged with chaff and flare cartridges.

TDATS (Target detection, acquisition and tracking)

- The TDATS sight is equipped with a low-level television sensor
- Forward-looking infrared (FLIR)
- autotracker
- laser rangefinder
-laser designator.

Navigation
- Doppler radar velocity sensor
- Thales Avionics eight-channel global positioning system
- heading sensor unit and an air data unit.

Communication
- two VHF/UHF transceivers with FM, AM with digital speech processing
- one HF radio with frequency hopping
- secure voice and data channels
- and an IFF transponder.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/

AugustineAgain:


Nap Of Earth?

NOE flight by Rooivalk? Last time your SAAF pilot tried it he crashed the Rooivalk, your computers are old....and bad.

NAF is proving the Hind to be better, see a modern Nigerian Hind helicopter doing NOE flight, we have done it over and over again and succeeded.

No wonder NAF is the best performing air force in the world 2015. See our own NOE flight at tree top level, we did not crash like Rooivalk o !
.

That is a hind taking off

SAAF does NOE all the time

Again, look at the hind specifications - is NOE listed?

AugustineAgain:


South African navy Heroine class Type 209 Submarines are actually becoming obsolescent, it's a 1990s design. A new variant is already come after it and now in the market.

Egypt has purchases two more modern Type 209 submarines armed with both torpedoes and also anti-ship missiles for long range sea combat. South Africa does NOT have the best Submarine in Africa, it's Egypt and Algeria now leading African sea power
.

thank u broz....
I wanted to educate him on the issue then i decieded not because its just a waste of fvckin time. His IQ is low

AugustineAgain:

.
[size=20pt]Rooivalk Remains 30 Years Obsolete.

Fake Upgrades :[/size]

There is NO PROOF that the Rooivalk computers or avionics were upgraded as proposed. No proof the money was release, no proof the job was done.

The only certain upgrade was to add ability to use Mokopa missile which was never ordered into service.

Next job was the over-heating cannon that was cooled from overheating, repaired, not upgraded. ZERO technology advancement. Same old gun

Rooivalk remains 30 years obsolete....even Rwanda won't buy it !


"Denel Aviation finally handed over five new Rooivalk Mark 1 combat helicopters to the South African Air Force on 1 April 2011, after years of development, building and testing.

The new Rooivalk Mk.1 is not much different to its old predecessor , the AH-2 Rooivalk.

The cannons which used to be a bother on the older Rooivalk by overheating very quickly and preventing rapid and sustained fire, have now been fixed.

The chief of the South African Air Force General Carlo Gagiano said, “ What is new is the Mokopa missile , which was test-fired at the Overberg range a long time ago and we had some very good results.”

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2011-04-04-rooivalk-the-next-generation-mark-1/#.VWZ7hvlVhBd

"The investment comes despite the helicopter's builder, Denel, questioning the viability of the 23-year-old project. The rotorcraft's cockpit reflects an avionics and computer processing power system that is now two decades old.

They are divided on whether the project is worth the effort. Some sources say it amounts to throwing good money after bad and paying for a Porsche to do a CitiGolf's job."

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5449&catid=96:defence-and-aerospace-technology


Rooivalk remains a 30 year obsolete attack helicopter.

CASE CLOSED
.


.

i say again nobody wants the rooivalk. Old piece of cr.ab. All its good for is for photo op and museum display

lionel4power:
i say again nobody wants the rooivalk. Old piece of cr.ab. All its good for is for photo op and museum display

Why does the Rooivalk evoke such strong emotions from Nigerians?

Shame, as they say, jealousy makes you nasty

lionel4power:
thank u broz....
I wanted to educate him on the issue then i decieded not because its just a waste of fvckin time. His IQ is low

And yet you have shown you have no idea what you are talking about

Just like when you listed your "facts"

patches689:


Why does the Rooivalk evoke such strong emotions from Nigerians?

Shame, as they say, jealousy makes you nasty

nobody gives a damn about ur rooivalk.

lionel4power:
nobody gives a damn about ur rooivalk.

Judging by the hundreds of posts you nigerians have made about it

You care quite deeply about our Rooivalk