ChinenyeN:

Wow. . . all these people talking, do they really know who the "Igbo" are, or do they just have their ignorant pre-conceived notions? See how quickly these non-Igbo jump to the aid of Ikwere. Are the Ikwere the only Igbo group that can lay claims to distinction? ma i mafuragh, ogwemonye nhie Ngwa. Ngwa nno ichhe. La mgbamgba erne omelala anyi, nwa ogbede nnwa la ehiefugh Ngwa mbudinu nnwa Ohnuhnu. Unu anufu hnwe ma akala nunu?

I swear I can only figure out about 2% of the bold quote, yet that is Igbo!
I completely agree with you. lol!

ChinenyeN:

Wow. . . all these people talking, do they really know who the "Igbo" are, or do they just have their ignorant pre-conceived notions? See how quickly these non-Igbo jump to the aid of Ikwere. Are the Ikwere the only Igbo group that can lay claims to distinction? ma i mafuragh, ogwemonye nhie Ngwa. Ngwa nno ichhe. La mgbamgba erne omelala anyi, nwa ogbede nnwa la ehiefugh Ngwa mbudinu nnwa Ohnuhnu. Unu anufu hnwe ma akala nunu?

Nwadede kwuachakwa onu

Onlytruth:

I swear I can only figure out about 2% of the bold quote, yet that is Igbo!
I completely agree with you. lol!

Hehe. . . it is always fun to watch the ITK Professors of Igbology paint a picture with their ignorance. They are usually quick to jump into these "Igbotic" threads and argue over nothing.

Now I have to speak in the language of my ethnic group, which is not Igbo btw. . . 

1. Ashi unu shi nevu lituo, unu ashi n'ive wu ghaa ghaa wuu wuu.

2. Nihi owheke hu no kanihi, solo umuazi alului aka n'utuohu esi ye n'imi.

3. Bia Ika! Bia kaanwa! Bia Kana! Bia mbe! Ashim ghu bia Ika! Asumgu bia kaanwa!

4. Waa! Eene! Kpaa!

On a serious note, Ndi be anyi si na onye ji mmadu n'ala ji onwe ya. So ihe m nwere igwa ndi iberibe na ndi amosu a na bu ha hu ebe obuna edere "Igbo", ahu ana ama ha pepepe ka ndi aduru ogwu anwu n'otule bu. . .

OSUKOSU NWA MKPI! Inyuo anwu, ogbaputagi kpakpando n'anya.

'Nuff said.

grafikdon:

On a serious note, Ndi be anyi si na onye ji mmadu n'ala ji onwe ya. So ihe m nwere igwa ndi iberibe na ndi amosu a na bu ha hu ebe obuna edere "Igbo", ahu ana ama ha pepepe ka ndi aduru ogwu anwu n'otule bu. . .

OSUKOSU NWA MKPI! Inyuo anwu, ogbaputagi kpakpando n'anya.

abegi . . .  go siddon somewhere.   You sure say the same no apply to you? @Graffikdon. From where I sit, the same applies to you, and those on your side of this debate.  lol

purplelady:

Left igbo is spoken in opobo or bonny don't know which. Are they igbo too?

una don carry come again.
which one is left igbo?

grafikdon:

Hehe. . . it is always fun to watch the ITK Professors of Igbology paint a picture with their ignorance. They are usually quick to jump into these "Igbotic" threads and argue over nothing.

Now I have to speak in the language of my ethnic group, which is not Igbo btw. . . 

1. Ashi unu shi nevu lituo, unu ashi n'ive wu ghaa ghaa wuu wuu.

2. Nihi owheke hu no kanihi, solo umuazi alului aka n'utuohu esi ye n'imi.

3. Bia Ika! Bia kaanwa! Bia Kana! Bia mbe! Ashim ghu bia Ika! Asumgu bia kaanwa!

4. Waa! Eene! Kpaa!

On a serious note, Ndi be anyi si na onye ji mmadu n'ala ji onwe ya. So ihe m nwere igwa ndi iberibe na ndi amosu a na bu ha hu ebe obuna edere "Igbo", ahu ana ama ha pepepe ka ndi aduru ogwu anwu n'otule bu. . .

OSUKOSU NWA MKPI! Inyuo anwu, ogbaputagi kpakpando n'anya.

'Nuff said.

An attempt to interpret to Igbo izugbe (central Igbo) - - -

1. Ashi unu shi nevu lituo, unu ashi n'ive wu ghaa ghaa wuu wuu. = Asi m unu sina ebe a lituo, unu asi na-ihe a bu ga ga wo wo.

2. Nihi owheke hu no kanihi, solo umuazi alului aka n'utuohu esi ye n'imi. = Nihi na ofeke a no na-ana nihi, solo umuaka alu aka na ike na-esi na imi.

3. Bia Ika! Bia kaanwa! Bia Kana! Bia mbe! Ashim ghu bia Ika! Asumgu bia kaanwa! = Bia ebe a! Bia ebe a nwa! Bia kene! Bia ebe a! Asi m gi bia ebe a nwa.

4. Waa! Eene! Kpaa! = Mba!

Igbo language is so diverse. Ngwa dialect if you are not very familiar is like its own language sef lol.

udezue:

Igbo language is so diverse. Ngwa dialect if you are not very familiar is like its own language sef lol.

Dis is a fact, check out dis song igbanke song from edo state.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUJXEVGTIM8

Question to the non-Igbo. If my own Ngwa people declared ourselves a separate ethnicity, would you also show your support for our decision the way you have shown your support for the Ikwere? Or would you make a mockery of our "right to DENY the term being used to qualify [us]"?

I'd like an honest answer, thank you.
Reference Quote: Kobojunkie.

Is that why they added "R" to almost every word to make it meaningless? Imagine Umuokoro has become Rumuokoro.
Abeg make dem go sidon for dirty.

oge4real:

Is that why they added "R" to almost every word to make it meaningless? Imagine Umuokoro has become Rumuokoro.
Abeg make dem go sidon for dirty.

so wrong of you to say that.rumu is akpo,obio and partly emowhua dialect.some parts of ikwerre use umu or omu.what about nmu that my dialect uses?

That "r" is a legitimate lexical characteristic.

Does it make your life any better stating what you are. @ least you got the spelling right(IGBO) which makes me think that you are lieing to the man/woman in the mirror.

nobody give a shit if u are igbo's or not,
all ya names are IGBO'''' bOO
u all need to stop. and start bearing
ur so ikwerre name, to hell with u all
the igbo's dont need ur Ass

This is all rubbish. I find it quite amazing how a people can be so confused and the so called Ikwere’s suitably fit into this scenario.
You speak Igbo language, bear Igbo names but chose to claim Fulani or whatever as your ethnic group, you can all go on deceiving yourselves.

Dede1:


In Igbo, Edo means sacrificial slave while in Ikwerre-Igbo, Bini means a pig. I know how it came to be.

ah ah
See this cheap liar. You are attacking me when i'm pointing out something thats true. Edo means no shet in Igbo and Bini means no shet in Ikwerre. You are just too dumb. same goes to igbo_boy. Do you know Bini is a yoruba word?coined from ile-ibinu? But it just happens that ikwe-rre means dirt in benin and igbo means slave in edo. It's in the Bini dictionary.

abi dem no wan ansa ma kweshion?

ChinenyeN:

Question to the non-Igbo. If my own Ngwa people declared ourselves a separate ethnicity, would you also show your support for our decision the way you have shown your support for the Ikwere? Or would you make a mockery of our "right to DENY the term being used to qualify [us]"?

I'd like an honest answer, thank you.
Reference Quote: Kobojunkie.

Excerpt from Letters & Viewpoints by Johnbull Diepreye

"What Dr Peter Odili has done is tantamount to having an Asaba man preside over Delta state, and after his 8 year tenure pick another Ukwuani man to succeed him, which represent handing the baton from one Igbo to another Igbo in a multi-ethnic state. Such a move is bound to cause a backlash and crisis if not nipped in the bud.

The attempt to hide under an invented and imaginary "Ikwerre ethnic nationality" to justify the brazen injustice is a monumental fraud that must be resisted. The ethnic identity of each group in Nigeria has long been established under the British colonial administration for almost a century, and subsequent anthropological, cultural and linguistic researches has confirmed same. Any attempt to seek to confuse the facts in order to benefit from another turn by the same ethnic group as Rivers state governor is bound to unavoidably lead to crisis.

We use this opportunity to thank elder statesman Chief Alabo Graham Douglas for alerting the public to the unfolding fraud being perpetrated by Dr Peter Odili and sending a petition to the presidency in protest.”




Lol, you can run but you can't hide. 

babaearly:

ah ah
See this cheap liar. You are attacking me when i'm pointing out something thats true. Edo means no shet in Igbo and Bini means no shet in Ikwerre. You are just too dumb. same goes to igbo_boy. Do you know Bini is a yoruba word?coined from ile-ibinu? But it just happens that ikwe-rre means dirt in benin and igbo means slave in edo. It's in the Bini dictionary.

My friend Sharap there, u dey Ph dey talk nonsense no let me corner u

Some people seem to have no idea of the meaning and implication of "ethnicity" and "ethnic group".

I had the opportunity to attend occasion marking the 80th birthday ceremony of King TJT Princewill Amaechi XI of Kalabari Kingdom. Throughout the festivity, I found myself swinging between happiness, intrigue and sadness.

The sadness came from the craps such as denial of someone’s ethnicity that have recently graced the national dailies and Internet forums. I often wonder the dividend accrued from such dastardly behavior from deluded punks that engage in such endeavor.

The intrigue weighed on me through the display of cultural activities that were not different from the fundamental experience I had while growing up as an Igbo chap.

The happiness poured from the fact that I stood witness to the celebration of 80th birthday bash for King Princewill Amaechi XI of Kalabari Kingdom.

Love this community and have learned so much upon the practice of this week even-handed by viewing other people's threads and comments
Since we are in the temper for sharing I contemplation I'd slice something with you members of this forum. A plot where people can river the public tv escort mad men
Link is unworthy of, make use of guys!
watch mad men

Dede1:

I had the opportunity to attend occasion marking the 80th birthday ceremony of King TJT Princewill Amaechi XI of Kalabari Kingdom. Throughout the festivity, I found myself swinging between happiness, intrigue and sadness.

The sadness came from the craps such as denial of someone’s ethnicity that have recently graced the national dailies and Internet forums. I often wonder the dividend accrued from such dastardly behavior from deluded punks that engage in such endeavor.

The intrigue weighed on me through the display of cultural activities that were not different from the fundamental experience I had while growing up as an Igbo chap.

The happiness poured from the fact that I stood witness to the celebration of 80th birthday bash for King Princewill Amaechi XI of Kalabari Kingdom.

I thought his name was King TJT Princewill Amachree XI. How did you come by the Amaechi?

ow11:

I thought his name was King TJT Princewill Amachree XI. How did you come by the Amaechi?

me too.i wonder how dede1 came about that.2ndly i thought this thread was all about ikwerre and greater igbo not kalabari or ijaw.

The thing people fail to understand is that nobody called themselves Igbo before british came to nigeria. Do you even know the meaning of the word "Igbo." The way people use it today to identify themselves originated in the slave era. In precolonial times "igbos" did not refer to themselves as such. So in reality people languages and customs to the so called "Igbo" are not denying anything at all.
Holp this helps the confusion people have about the term "Igbo."
***Im new to nairaland by the way, i think this is a very interesting website, so ill posting from time to time

If the Igbo do not know themselves as Igbo, how did the slave masters document about Igbo slaves.
The slave masters never wrote about Ngwa, Umuahia, Ndoni, Ndoki, Nkwerre, Ikwerre, Igberre etc but Igbo. Igbo is older than what you people think.

Andre Uweh:

If the Igbo do not know themselves as Igbo, how did the slave masters document about Igbo slaves.
The slave masters never wrote about Ngwa, Umuahia, Ndoni, Ndoki, Nkwerre, Ikwerre, Igberre etc but Igbo. Igbo is older than what you people think.

The culture of people called "Igbo" today is old. But the self "identity" and "ethnicity" of being "Igbo" all began in the slave era. Why else do you think Igbo people have always been politically fragmented as a society.  Have you read the  writings of Olaudah Equiano a former igbo slave he explains this quite clearly about how he became to know himself as Igbo. And the slave masters could care less what about the true identity of slaves, they were there to make money. "Igbo" in a sense is a coined term due to a significant period of invasions, the same way "Bantu" is a coined term to a lot of africans by Europeans.
There is a lot of information about how Igbos came to know themselves as Igbo people. The truth is slavery is a big part of the reason, its sad but its true. Why else is there not a clear cut meaning of "Igbo" because people never saw themselves as such before the white man came thats a FACT.
Theres a lot of evidence on the transgressions of Igbo identity.
This book is a start.
http://books.google.com/books?id=rzBBUKRO4DwC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Violence,+Migration,+and+Becoming+Igbo&source=bl&ots=Ey54uqSdX3&sig=v8-nWVo6gcrG_RXaTmH_5zBbsRo&hl=en&ei=42bcS9HJHobK9gTLp6WyBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Violence%2C%20Migration%2C%20and%20Becoming%20Igbo&f=false

Andre Uweh:

If the Igbo do not know themselves as Igbo, how did the slave masters document about Igbo slaves.
The slave masters never wrote about Ngwa, Umuahia, Ndoni, Ndoki, Nkwerre, Ikwerre, Igberre etc but Igbo. Igbo is older than what you people think.

Slave masters referred to most, if not all, of the southeast as "Igbo"/"Ibo"/"Ebo" (or Eboe Country). "Igbo Identity" as we know it now, is a recent development. Tumuzi is correct.

Although, Tumuzi, if I'm remembering correctly, there is actually a group of people within Igboland whose name is actually "Igbo", but they're the only ones that I know of who bear "Igbo" as their actual group name (before colonialism).

@ Abagworo and Ow11

The name switch was a typographical error. There was no intent to deceive onlooker. However, you missed the intention of the post. Though differ in language, the Amachree XI and his Kalabari Kingdom had similar band of culture with Ndigbo. There should have been no rancor in any form of affinity between the Ijo of old Rivers State and Ndigbo talk less of Ikweere.

Tumuzi:

The culture of people called "Igbo" today is old. But the self "identity" and "ethnicity" of being "Igbo" all began in the slave era. Why else do you think Igbo people have always been politically fragmented as a society.  Have you read the  writings of Olaudah Equiano a former igbo slave he explains this quite clearly about how he became to know himself as Igbo. And the slave masters could care less what about the true identity of slaves, they were there to make money. "Igbo" in a sense is a coined term due to a significant period of invasions, the same way "Bantu" is a coined term to a lot of africans by Europeans.
There is a lot of information about how Igbos came to know themselves as Igbo people. The truth is slavery is a big part of the reason, its sad but its true. Why else is there not a clear cut meaning of "Igbo" because people never saw themselves as such before the white man came thats a FACT.
Theres a lot of evidence on the transgressions of Igbo identity.
This book is a start.

What an arrant nonsense. I guess you are not insinuating that British indentified the people as Igbo. Or the people did not identify themselves as IGBO before the British colonialists. Please educate us on the collective name of this group of people as presented to the colonialists.

Does anyone really care who comes from where?
It does not affect the standard of living of the common man in any way so what's the f.u.ck.ing point?

I find that this continous attempt to tag people collectively is just
for selfish purposes of the elite few.

Tumuzi.
How about towns such as Amaigbo, Igbo Ukwu, Akwukwu Igbo etc. Did the slave masters or the British give them such names.
How did they arrive at such names 800 years ago if they did not know they were Igbo?.