ballerin:
Are you aware of what politcians say with their mouth? if you understood ilorin politics as it relates Northern regional government pre independence, you would hardly be surprised.
By the way, SW aren't insinuating Amaechi is not igbo rather ikwerres are denying their being Igbo.

Nwades:
Nnamdi KANU said and I quote " Yoruba's are cowards" Nnamdi is known to be right in most cases, could he be right again?

ballerin:
You can always locate historical accounts from the archive.. that's your surest bet.
There was an ugly incidence as recently as three months ago whereby a certain guest was recounting the Asaba massacre during the civil war & the need for Nigerians to honour the victims as a means of bonding. Moments after a short break, a call came in from the NBC asking that the show be discontinued with immediate effect. If such a lesson could be banished on the media, how much less a school curriculum. Some people from a part of the country are dead scared of history being taught in our schools.

Y0ruba:





No! You did not get Islam from Fulani. Islam had been in Yoruba land before Fulanis or Hausa began to take it serious - see Iwo town in Osun state for example. A good number of Yoruba people in Oyo, Iseyin, Ibadan, Osogbo, Ijaiye& so on were mislims before Afonja invited Alimi. In fact, some of the Ibadan army who fought against Fulani army and defeated them in Osogbo & Odo-Otin were muslims; for example Aare Latosa the head of Ibadan army was a muslim.

Contrary to general belief, Fulani, Hausa & Kanuri were slaves across Yoruba land who served domestic purposes & used during wars. They only used Ilorin as a haven when Afonja declared it a safe zone for them which made all of them flock there. When they invaded Oyo they killed people both Yoruba that were muslim & those who were not.

They did not give you Islam o! This is the mistake most Yoruba people make. We think Fulani brought Islam & introduced it to us, no they did not.

The Hausa which our fathers called Gambari, the Kanuri which pur fathers called Kanike & Fulani were used as our slaves when we were practising Islam way before Alimi & Afonja.

Pleas note this.

Odingo1:

Politics or not, how can a man deny his tribe and ancestral heritage publicly because of politics, it tells a lot on the person.
Amaechi is Ikwerre and he is saying that he is Igbo, those at the forefront of pushing that Ikwerres are denying their being Igbo are people of SW through media propaganda, tell me one Ikwerre man that have said publicly that he is not Igbo, don't quote faceless social media where many yorubas disguise as Ikwerres. Even in Rivers state official website it was stated that Ikwerres are Igboid group.

Odingo1:

This one na your own yoruba version abi, history book did not capture this, Usman dan fodio spread Islam in Nigeria. Fulani brought Islam into western Nigeria, it is on record, it is even said that the fulani scholars gave the name yoruba to yorubas.

ballerin:
You see why you need to stop arguing.
I advice you should go learn to acquire more knowledge.

Y0ruba:





No! You did not get Islam from Fulani. Islam had been in Yoruba land before Fulanis or Hausa began to take it serious - see Iwo town in Osun state for example. A good number of Yoruba people in Oyo, Iseyin, Ibadan, Osogbo, Ijaiye& so on were mislims before Afonja invited Alimi. In fact, some of the Ibadan army who fought against Fulani army and defeated them in Osogbo & Odo-Otin were muslims; for example Aare Latosa the head of Ibadan army was a muslim.

Contrary to general belief, Fulani, Hausa & Kanuri were slaves across Yoruba land who served domestic purposes & used during wars. They only used Ilorin as a haven when Afonja declared it a safe zone for them which made all of them flock there. When they invaded Oyo they killed people both Yoruba that were muslim & those who were not.

They did not give you Islam o! This is the mistake most Yoruba people make. We think Fulani brought Islam & introduced it to us, no they did not.

The Hausa which our fathers called Gambari, the Kanuri which our fathers called Kanike & Fulani were used as our slaves when we were practising Islam way before Alimi & Afonja.

Please note this.

HomeOfMe:
Absolutely. But they can't prevent people from researching histi. It's just that it seems the generation of men and won àre just interested in entertainment and getting rich quick.

Odingo1:

If actually that Yorubas are practicing Islam before the fulanis came,then why is it that the number of yorubas practicing Islam decreases from Ilorin to Ondo, North to South trend

Obdk:



typical afonja. always trying to change d narrative..

Odingo1:

This one na your own yoruba version abi, history book did not capture this, Usman dan fodio spread Islam in Nigeria. Fulani brought Islam into western Nigeria, it is on record, it is even said that the fulani scholars gave the name yoruba to yorubas.

If actually that Yorubas are practicing Islam before the fulanis came,then why is it that the number of yorubas practicing Islam decreases from Ilorin to Ondo, North to South trend

Odingo1:

If actually that Yorubas are practicing Islam before the fulanis came,then why is it that the number of yorubas practicing Islam decreases from Ilorin to Ondo, North to South trend

Konquest:

^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
This info is very true!

From the historical archives, the first mosque
in Yorubaland was in Iwo town in the present
Osun State... or State of Osun over 500 years
ago. This was even before Uthman DanFodio
was born. Islam first came from Mali to
Yorubaland and that is why Yorubas referred
to Islam as "esin imale".


There were also slaves of Northern origin
in Yorubaland who also tended to the horses
that Oyo Empire imported via Nupe country to
build a very powerful cavalry, but the weakening of Yorubaland
through internal disagreements of high-ranking
officials and ruling class in the Oyo
Empire just like in Nupeland led to enemies
from outside taking advantage of the situation
to strike!


Nobody would have dared the Yoruba/Oyo
Empire if there was UNITY... and this lesson
of unity must be strictly followed to succeed
in life... either in the family, business, nationhood
etc.


All the best!

Nwades:
Nnamdi KANU said and I quote " Yoruba's are cowards" Nnamdi is known to be right in most cases, could he be right again?

ballerin:
Since you disagreed, maybe i should ask you, How did the fulanis spread Islam to all yoruba speaking region?. pls educate me

Odingo1:

Actually Yoruba muslims should show us where this mosque was located in Osun 500yrs ago and how they have been practicing Islam with facts, from history books in Nigeria we where told that Usman dan fodio came to Nigeria and spread Islam from the North to northern fringe of yorubaland, that is why Islam is found more at the northern part of yorubaland and it decreases downward to Ondo and very small in Edo where it terminate. Christianity increases from Eastern Nigeria down to Yorubaland also and the north.

Fulani people also boast about how they introduce Islam to Yorubas openly without any objection in any manner both written or verbally from yoruba muslims, one even said that when they came to Ilorin that they kill the locals and force them to abandon their Idol worshiping and embrace Islam, it is all there in national newspapers.

Odingo1:

This one na your own yoruba version abi, history book did not capture this, Usman dan fodio spread Islam in Nigeria. Fulani brought Islam into western Nigeria, it is on record, it is even said that the fulani scholars gave the name yoruba to yorubas.

If actually that Yorubas are practicing Islam before the fulanis came,then why is it that the number of yorubas practicing Islam decreases from Ilorin to Ondo, North to South trend

Quality20:
everybody should strive for d good of himself and family and forget about tribal wars. tribal wars have no endings and could only get complicated leaving in its trail destructions, loss of lives and gross underdevelopment/ regrets.
And at d end of it all oyimbo ppl will call u animals after u must have used their AK47s to destroy and help reduce ur populations to their amazement ,joy and comfort

Odingo1:

If actually that Yorubas are practicing Islam before the fulanis came,then why is it that the number of yorubas practicing Islam decreases from Ilorin to Ondo, North to South trend

Nowenuse:


Keep waiting for the hausas. Majority of the Hausas have been brainwashed into seeing Islam as an identity and bond btw them and the fulanis. And all the Hausa elites have been heavily intermixed with fulanis, so how the hell do you want hausas to do this? A hausa man whose grandmother, mother, wives and inlaws are all fulanis, should now start fighting fulanis? Impossible na.

Majority of the pure original hausas who have not mixed with the fulanis are poor, rural and illiterate! These ones cannot do jack!

So just forget about Hausa people, they are a lost case! Same with Nupe people and Gwari muslims of Niger state.

Konquest:

^^^^^^^^
This is NOT correct.
Islam was already in Hausaland, Kanuriland
and Yorubaland before Uthman Dan Fodio
or even his grandparents were born.

The history books have this information.
Oyo Empire was very powerful from trading as far as Timbuktu in Mali, Ghana, Northern Nigeria,
and with the Europeans, so the Malian Muslim
clerics came to Iwo and you will see the FIRST
mosque in Yorubaland there... Over 500 years
old. Dan Fodios so-called jihad started in 1803!

All those Social Studies books don't capture
advanced Nigerian histories. They are just meant
for simplistic Primary School education.

Obdk:

every yoruba is modern day afonja

ballerin:
Intertribal wars was the bane of Yoruba that they lost focus on the external enemy.

IamBlanco:
most of you have failed to identify the bane of this senseless domination, its ISLAM. Islam is not a religion, its a political ideology. deep yourself into the history of Islam, ull find out that where ever Muslims are minority, dy aim for political dominance cux dats d only way to spread d ideology. have u ever heard of Christian republic of, Hindu republic of, Baha'i replublic of? even in Japan that is majority Shinto don't call themselves Shinto republic of. Islam is a tyrant ideology that it takes total control of the life of its follower. such as culture which encompasses eating, meals, dressing, language, beliefs, etc. Islam is the sole reason y fulanis are still on top up until now because their subordinates first identify themselves as Muslims before there respective ethnicities. they don't integrate into your society, dy don't accept your culture, dy allow their sons to marry your daughters but forbid their daughters to marry your sons. incase of future uprising, dy will inter-marry with the kafirs & ppl of other ethnicity so as to prevent it. that's y Yorubas are confused, you're a Christian but your uncle 1 is a Muslim & uncle 2 is a pagan. be wise... I'll never practice a religion/ideology that was passed on to my forefathers through war, coercion & deceit.

abdulwastecx:


I have been trying to educate some of my northern friend about this. The Yorubas got their Islam through interaction with Malian traders and returnees from Brazil. The usman danfodio jiad never gain any foothold in Yoruba land.

Konquest:
Over 90% of Ilorin indigenes are of
Yoruba ancestry. The so-called Fulani
being referred to in Ilorin are actually of
mixed blood (Yoruba/Fulani) and Yoruba
is the language that is spoken in Ilorin
because it is part of Yorubaland - right up
to Jebba on the banks of River Niger where
there is an Oba of Jebba, Kwara State.

Abdulfatah Ahmed the Governor of Kwara
State is a Yorubaman. Even Sen. Bukola Saraki's
grandfather who was the leader of Nigerians
in Côte d' Ivoire in the early 1960s was
originally from Abeokuta before migrating to
Ilorin for Quranic studies! This is an open
secret in Kwara state. Bukola Sarakis mother
is from the Royal family in Owo, Ondo State.
I mean the Olagbegi Royal Family!


Even the British colonialists indicated in
the colonial records and archives that
Ilorin is a Yoruba town! Sir Allan Burns
also indicated this is his book "History of
Nigeria" so there is NO need to fight or
kill anyone.

The battle should be a legal and intellectual
battle by using the historical documents that
the British left which clearly indicate that
Ilorin is a Yoruba town! A referendum will
be done and the Yoruba Oba will come
into being. This is what the Ekundayo
Panel suggested. You can Google the
results of the Ekundayo Panel online.


Sir Allan Burns was the Acting Governor General
of Nigeria and also the Governor of Gold Coast
so he saying the right thing.


I hope this helps.

abdulwastecx:


No! We will always be who we are. I am a Yoruba nationalist and a Muslim, my Yoruba identity is stronger than any religion believe. Nigeria is a conglomerate of different nation and our needs and believe will always differs. I believe my interests and that of my children is best protected under my ethnicity

sasalite:
You have spoken the bitter truth about the Hausas. It may shock you to know that am one of them. The fulanis used religion to dethrone our Hausa kings and my people stupidly allowed it. Till world's end I refuse to accept Fulani dominance over me, it may not change anything but still I'll pass this truth down my line. The Hausa culture is almost dead due to this nonsense, what we have today is fulani culture portrayed in dances and Islamic monarchs dressed like Arabs. The Amirs have replaced our Sarakuna. Very few people know the original Hausa culture like our one week long traditional weddings, harvest festivals, e.t.c. I wish I can turn back the time and give sense to my people just before the Dan Fodio Fulani Jihad, the world would have known the real Hausa man and not the zombies we have today.

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
You are very correct @ abdulwastecx

In fact there are records of Yoruba Muslims
in the Brazilian population in the 1800s.

Islam was already being practiced in Yorubaland
even in Ilorin before the Fulani-led jihad in 1803.

I'm not a Muslim, but the truth has to be told.
People don't read advanced history books or
archival materials that are even available in
Brazil, Cuba, and the U.S.A about Africans
who where captured as slaves and brought
to the Americas.

Did you know that there was a Yoruba-Muslim
rebellion in Brazil in the early 1800s simply
because they were NOT allowed to do their Islamic prayers?

History is VERY important!

All the best!