MyJoe:


I can't thank you enough for this.

m_nwankwo:

Hi 49cents. I never used the word "charity"in this thread. What I simply admonished is for human beings to live according to the  eternal truth which Jesus embodied in his words "Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself". Any person or creature capable of doing this has already found his way to the kingdom of God. Genuine Love that I am referring to and of which the son of God spoke about is unconditional and thus a love shown with expectation of a reward whether spiritual or earthly is not genuine love. Thus you do not love because you want to go to heaven or because you do not want to go to hell but you love because your spirit is a reflection of the love of God. Thus you are are hardwired to love by God. The reciprocal action that comes to you as a result of one living in the sense of the laws of God is a manifestation of the will of God and not a fulfillment of ones expectations. To  love simply means an unconditional submission to the will of God. Genuine love is tantamount to uncondtional obedience to the will of God.

It is the will of God that all the laws governing the creations of God should be recognised by the human spirit. It is for this reason that each human spirit has to journey through the various creations of God so that by experiencing in the various creations of God, the laws of God in each plane will become an integral part of the human spirit. Thus, the idea of a mystery within creation is not correct. The laws of God that govern the creations of God, from the spiritual  kingdom of GOD down to the gross materail planes like our physical earth should lie lucidly clear to any human spirit that is alive. Thus even while on earth and in full awareness, one can be granted the grace to survey and experience different planes of creation. This grace given to one by God does not require any training or reading books or spiritual exerises, NDE or OBE . All that one need do is to love God and all creatures of God unconditionally, then the bandage that blocks his outer and inner faculties will fall away. Then the human spirit will  have the grace of counscious drawing from the the power of God and this drawing gives it  access to counscious experiencing in the various creations of God even while on earth. Under such a guidance and protection from God, he or she can survey the enormous dangers that befall those who who of their own accord opened their spirits to worlds and currents which the spirit has not the maturity nor the purity to decern. It is for this reason alone that several internal inconsistency as well as self glorification are the hall mark of essays or testimonies given by spiritualists, occultists, mystics, spirtists or even those that have OBE or NDE experiences. A premature opening of the spirit to other worlds will only expose such a spirit to the world of sham where everthing is possible and impossible at the same time. Every genuine seeker for his own good is advised to stay aware from all endeavour that prematurely opens the soul to the sham worlds of the beyound.  Stay blessed.

m_nwankwo:

It is the will of God that all the laws governing the creations of God should be recognised by the human spirit. It is for this reason that each human spirit has to journey through the various creations of God so that by experiencing in the various creations of God, the laws of God in each plane will become an integral part of the human spirit. Thus, the idea of a mystery within creation is not correct. The laws of God that govern the creations of God, from the spiritual  kingdom of GOD down to the gross materail planes like our physical earth should lie lucidly clear to any human spirit that is alive. Thus even while on earth and in full awareness, one can be granted the grace to survey and experience different planes of creation. This grace given to one by God does not require any training or reading books or spiritual exerises, NDE or OBE . All that one need do is to love God and all creatures of God unconditionally, then the bandage that blocks his outer and inner faculties will fall away. Then the human spirit will  have the grace of counscious drawing from the the power of God and this drawing gives it  access to counscious experiencing in the various creations of God even while on earth. Under such a guidance and protection from God, he or she can survey the enormous dangers that befall those who who of their own accord opened their spirits to worlds and currents which the spirit has not the maturity nor the purity to decern. It is for this reason alone that several internal inconsistency as well as self glorification are the hall mark of essays or testimonies given by spiritualists, occultists, mystics, spirtists or even those that have OBE or NDE experiences. A premature opening of the spirit to other worlds will only expose such a spirit to the world of sham where everthing is possible and impossible at the same time. Every genuine seeker for his own good is advised to stay aware from all endeavour that prematurely opens the soul to the sham worlds of the beyound.  Stay blessed.

49cents:

Hey Nwankwo Hw r you doing?; i just wanted to clarify that true love(charity, still means the same thing is just a matter of smeantics) of God is a reaction to God's own intervention of grace and i concur with you on your explanation of what true love consists in it is rare to find someone who has arrived at this conclusion (i have heard these exact words from some christain mystics and find it very reasonable), same goes for the OBE, NDE, astrologers and the like are quite dangerous but the unwary curios soul will fall into its weary maze until they are completely dazed cos they find no true fulfillment on their sojourn they embarked on.

I had a chat with a guy who spoke volumes about Jesus as an Avatar (messiah) who is sent by God to save those whom those are his; He says Jesus is His master but not the Master of all; that every soul has to search and 'cry' to God to find his own Master, which could be Buddha, Mohammed or other Messiahs whom have appeared in human history, whats your view on this. Stay blessed

49cents:

Hey Nwankwo Hw r you doing?; i just wanted to clarify that true love(charity, still means the same thing is just a matter of smeantics) of God is a reaction to God's own intervention of grace and i concur with you on your explanation of what true love consists in it is rare to find someone who has arrived at this conclusion (i have heard these exact words from some christain mystics and find it very reasonable), same goes for the OBE, NDE, astrologers and the like are quite dangerous but the unwary curios soul will fall into its weary maze until they are completely dazed cos they find no true fulfillment on their sojourn they embarked on.

49cents:

I had a chat with a guy who spoke volumes about Jesus as an Avatar (messiah) who is sent by God to save those whom those are his; He says Jesus is His master but not the Master of all; that every soul has to search and 'cry' to God to find his own Master, which could be Buddha, Mohammed or other Messiahs whom have appeared in human history, whats your view on this. Stay blessed

m_nwankwo:

Hi 49cents. I am fine. Thank you. Hope you are fine too.
I do not agree with the views expressed by the guy you spoke to. Jesus is the son of God, that means that an essence of God the Father became personal as Jesus. Thus Jesus is an incarnation of God.Taking into cognisance the limitation of our earthly language, one can say that Jesus is a "part" of God the Father that is personal in the work of love. One can also say that Jesus is the personification of the Love that is God and is in God. Thus Jesus is the only real Master for he is a son of God or God the son if the later will enable you to form a conception that is a bit closer to the Truth. Only God the Father is the Truth and since Jesus is a "part" of God the Father, he too is the Truth.

Now Jesus came for the salvation of all, not for any particular group of people and anyone who lives in the sense of genuine love is following the teachings of Jesus even if he or she have not heard about Jesus on this earth. Having returned to God the Father after the fulfilment of his mission, Jesus is not in creation any more but outside and above all creations. Jesus has reunited with his Father. Thus claims by religious people or mystics of having contact with Jesus is false. What they see in all circumstances is there own "Jesus". This false "Jesus" was created by the founders and followers of these movements or societies until it became very powerful that it controls them and performs so called "miracles for followers. This beautiful thread by MyJoe has addressed in part how human beings by misapplying the power of God create demons. Thus, it is for this reason that all religions or societies have created there own false Jesus and you can now understand why they have stories and encounters with this false Jesus. God is not in creation. The only way God can be in creation is through incarnation as once happened with Jesus. If Jesus, the son of God will enter creation without the necessary step-down anchorages, then the entire creation including spiritual creation will just literally vapourize and cease to exist on coming in contact with the white heat emanating from unsusbstantiate, God-essense of Jesus, the son of God. And yet, many a human being imagine that they have personal contact with Jesus. Yes, they do have contact but not with the genuine Jesus, the son of God but with a fake Jesus created and animated by them and others who think like them. Thus to answer your question, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of God is the only genuine Master and on account of the fact that he is God the son, no creature can have a direct personal contact with him. All contact are indirect through several chains of spiritual mediators. I will not go into this as it will take us into distances that will make our heads begin to swell.

It is spiritual ignorance that makes most people to think that Jesus is just a prophet like several others. Buddha, Mohammed, Moses, Zoroaster, Laotze, Krishna, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist etc are not incarnations of God but creatures who God called to be his Prophets. God gave them revelations adapted to the spiritual maturity and culture of their people. Thus, these prophets taught recognitions or part truths since a creature even with the highest blessings can only receive part Truth. Only the one that is the Truth can teach the whole Truth. Only God is the Truth. Thus all these prophets of God were forerunners to the Truth. Their message is meant to form a flight of steps leading to the ultimate Truth that Jesus brought. These prophets of God in different cultures faithfully fulfilled there mission. As we mature, the truth of what these prophets actually taught in different era will be shown to us by the grace of God and we may see how divorced the various movements in the name of these prophets are from what they actually taught. Then one may see that Buddha, Mohammed, LaoTze etc taught the same truth only adapted to the spiritual maturity and culture of their people. A prophet of God writes or says what God reveals to him, a son of God draws from Himself for he is "part" of God the Father and one with God the Father. Thus a son of God carries the knowledge in himself and does not need any training. Once the appointed time ordained by God the Father reaches, the radiations connection are stretched taught and a son of God draws consciously from the inexhaustible fountain of divine omnipotence and omniscience. If you think deeply into this, you may appreciate why all the claims of Jesus going to India, Persia or even Tibet to learn the mystical arts is spiritual nonsense. Stay blessed.

49cents:


Thanks for your response I really appreciate the efforts you usually put in replying well that simply tells me that you are very passionate and sure of what you believe yet surprisingly calm about it……

m_nwankwo:

Hi 49cents. Thanks for your kind comment. Stay blessed.

Mad_Max:

I'll never understand this manifestation thing. Nuc, you are a wuss.

Pastor AIO:

Perhaps trinity has more to do with perception than with any intrinsic quality of God, or anything else for that matter.

Mad_Max:

Oh hey. I was actually looking forward to 49 cents and mwankwo's conversation, once they got over other people's after death experiences, which I'm not sure they're qualified to dismiss, having probably never had one of their own. It's a free world though. 49 asked interesting questions. I've read the Grail Message books and can do without it being constantly paraphrased, but the conversation might be interesting; m_nwankwo often is. The usual trinitarian/ God manifests in 3 ways arguments are out there. Jesus was a manifestation of God and so is God. The Holy Spirit is a manifestation of God and so is God. What on earth is a manifestation? It's never made sense, but could be because I didn't get it. It's not a priority though.

49cents:

Hi Nwankwo, just popped in to pose these questions which are based on your earlier posts and it is as follows,

1. How where you able to 'Deduce' that  Jesus, is the Son of God?

2. Can anyone know anything partaining to the Divine or the spiritual realities for sure?
and if yes,
3. how can one know these things for sure?
4. How come several spiritual masters or enlightened persons have with varying perceptions and conflicting beliefs of spiritual issues? and they use the similar tools of prayer and meditation?
Finally is the instituition of the Church ever releveant for preservation and commuinication of  spiritual revelation?
Thanks,

MyJoe:

M_Nwankwo offers some good perspectives on the Trinity - or a version of it - in this thread The Oracle, The Monk & The Severance Of "parts" Of God. . . M_nwankwo. . .. I don't share his position on that matter but it's devoid of the obfuscation usually found in most discourses of the Trinity doctrine.

Mad_Max:

Here's the question, Nuc:
The Hindus have millions of gods. Christianity, in part, has a doctrine in which there are three Gods in one, or One God manifesting in three ways.
The Hindus believe all their gods is just one God manisfesting in a million ways; from Shiva to Ganesh the elephant god, they're all manifestations of one single entity. You and the Hindus believe the same thing. Do you find that faith-affirming in some way? Do you have thoughts on that? The difference is only a matter of degree: you believe God manifests Itself in three ways, they believe God manifests Itself in millions of ways. Different numbers, same doctrine.

Deep Sight:

The connotation of each of the three expressions of God as defined within the Trinity doctrine is in stark contrast to the connotations of the manifestations of the millions of hindu Gods.

I am surprised that the mere fact of "manifesting" could be sufficient to lead you to conclude that they are the same doctrine, merely distinguished by degrees of manifestations. I would have thought that rather than look at mere numbers, you would be so circumspect as to look at the meanings and connotations of EACH of those manifestations and see if they are in any way similar.

Mad_Max:

MyJoe, you're great. You really are.

As she headed for shore, she realized that she was too far out to make it back. She began to struggle and swallow water. Finally she slipped beneath the waves. I went under for the fourth time, and my body went limp and I wasn't aware of it anymore. It was at this point that I saw a beautiful white light. It was so bright and yet it had such a calming effect that the more I looked at it, the calmer I felt. To this day I can't really say what that light was. In my religion (Muslim) there are beings called angels who are made out of pure white light. Maybe that is what I saw.

Anyway, while I was underwater, I heard a voice say, "You are not to die like this." Suddenly I felt this energy shoot through me from my feet to my head, and at the same time I seemed to be propelled out of the water. It was as if someone was physically bringing me out of the water, but I can swear that there was no physical being there.

When Black Elk was a boy of nine, he collapsed with a severe, painful swelling of his legs, arms and face. He lost consciousness and lay in his tipi dying. He was called by two men coming from the clouds, saying, "Hurry up, your grandfather is calling you." He was raised up out of his tipi into the clouds, feeling sorry to leave his parents. He was shown an elaborate vision oriented around a classic Native American mandala: the circular hoop, the four directions, and the center of the world on an axis stretching from sky to Earth, numerous neighing, dancing horses, surrounded by lightning and thunder, filled the sky at each direction.

He was told to behold this, then to follow a bay horse, which led him to a rainbow door. Inside, sitting on clouds, were six grandfathers, "older than men can ever be - old like hills, old like stars." The oldest grandfather welcomed the boy and said: "Your Grandfathers all over the world are having a council, and they have called you here to teach you."

His voice was very kind, but the boy shook all over with fear now, for he knew that these were not old men, but the Powers of the World.

Each Grandfather gave Black Elk a power. The first Grandfather gave him the power to heal. The second Grandfather then gave the boy the power of cleansing. The third Grandfather gave the boy the power of awakening and its peace. From the fourth Grandfather the boy was given the power of growth. The fifth Grandfather, the Spirit of the Sky, gave the power of transcendent vision. The sixth Grandfather, a very old man, incredibly grew backwards into youth until he became the boy, Black Elk.