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Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:28am On Sep 13, 2010
The testimony of a former Muslim and the gospel of John in Arabic

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Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by TeskyMan(m): 7:21pm On Sep 13, 2010
[size=13pt]jcross by his username, posted something interesting as regards 72 virgin for Jihadist and it baffles me.
See link https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-55730.32.html

It goes thus:-

Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, head of the Cultural Institute of the Italian Islamic Community, and a true Islamic scholar, had this to say: "The only ridiculous thing is that someone who claims to be an 'Islamic scholar' makes public declarations which prove beyond any possible doubt that he has never read the Commentary of Ibn Kathir and 'Sunan' of Imam at-Tirmidhi, which are basic books for the knowledge of Islam. Unfortunately, this attribution of chairs to ignoramuses seems to be the rule in American Islamic Centers controlled by the fundamentalist network of the 'Muslim Brotherhood.' "

According to Islam, Palazzi goes on to say, there are 72 wives for every believer who is admitted to Heaven, and not only for a martyr. The proof is a hadith which is collected by at-Tirmidhi in "Sunan" (volume IV, chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah," Chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven," hadith 2687).

It is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Koranic Commentary) of Surah ar-Rahman (55), ayah (verse) 72: "It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham Abdullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.' Ibn Kathir explained in 'al-Bidayah wa an-Nihayah' that al-Jabiyyah is the name of a suburb of Damascus.

"That those 72 wives are virgin is proved by the ayah 74 of the same Surah: "No man or jinn has ever touched them before." [, ]

I think this was extracted from the Holy Quran, sorry if I am wrong. Some Muslim scholars have debunk this notion that the issue of 72 virgins for Jihadist never existed in the Quran. Think this explain more on the issue.

No argument please, just want to add to my knowledge on Islam.

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Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 11:22pm On Sep 13, 2010
""It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham Abdullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.'"

The foremost authority on hadith in the century, Ash-Shaykh Al-Allaamah Al-Muhaddith, Muhammad Naasirudeen Al-Albaani declared the much celebrated-hadith by the Christians as Daeef [weak]. See his commentary in Daeef Tirimidhi [2562], Sahih Mishkaat Masaabih [5648], Daeef Jaami Sagheer [266]. Thank Allaah Muslims have scholars who remove what is not Islam from Islam.

The rule is that a Muslim does not believe in or work with a weak narration.

But if it had been authetnitc a Muslim will believe in it. Mind you it is said it is for a believer nowhere it is said a Jihaadist. A true Jihaadist (that fights in a war against the unbelievers like the Chrsitians, Jews and polytheists behind a legitimate Muslim ruler {as we shall do before or when Mahdi comes}) will have his own plenty reward.

I could observe this is a digression from the thread yet you are still cornered.

"Nay, we fling (send down) the Truth (this Qur'ân and Sunnah) against the falsehood (disbelief), so it destroys it, and behold, it (falsehood) is vanished." [Al-Anbiyaa: 18.]

Thus a Christian that still repeats that here or elsewhere is only confirming his misguided and deluded foundation. The Christians are indeed fools; the Jews are wiser.

No apology to you, korinyos.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by bashydemy(m): 5:31am On Sep 14, 2010
abulbanaat:

""It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham Abdullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.'"

The foremost authority on hadith in the century, Ash-Shaykh Al-Allaamah Al-Muhaddith, Muhammad Naasirudeen Al-Albaani declared the much celebrated-hadith by the Christians as Daeef [weak]. See his commentary in Daeef Tirimidhi [2562], Sahih Mishkaat Masaabih [5648], Daeef Jaami Sagheer [266]. Thank Allaah Muslims have scholars who remove what is not Islam from Islam.

The rule is that a Muslim does not believe in or work with a weak narration.

But if it had been authetnitc a Muslim will believe in it. Mind you it is said it is for a believer nowhere it is said a Jihaadist. A true Jihaadist (that fights in a war against the unbelievers like the Chrsitians, Jews and polytheists behind a legitimate Muslim ruler {as we shall do before or when Mahdi comes}) will have his own plenty reward.

I could observe this is a digression from the thread yet you are still cornered.

"Nay, we fling (send down) the Truth (this Qur'ân and Sunnah) against the falsehood (disbelief), so it destroys it, and behold, it (falsehood) is vanished." [Al-Anbiyaa: 18.]

Thus a Christian that still repeats that here or elsewhere is only confirming his misguided and deluded foundation. The Christians are indeed fools; the Jews are wiser.

No apology to you, korinyos.



Nice explanation Kudos to you bro
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by Almuhandis: 2:01pm On Sep 14, 2010
www.arabicbible.com/christian/arab_christians.htm
Keep praying for the ones who "the God of this age has blinded their eyes.
Do also pray and fast for our Christian ummah in the Middle east,that the Holy Ghost will tell them what they need to do.
Please do not fast like the heathens-they eat two times in one day! grin yet they claim they fasted.
Shukran as you respond
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 2:25pm On Sep 14, 2010
Almuhandis:

www.arabicbible.com/christian/arab_christians.htm
Keep praying for the ones who "the God of this age has blinded their eyes.
Do also pray and fast for our Christian ummah in the Middle east,that the Holy Ghost will tell them what they need to do.
Please do not fast like the heathens-they eat two times in one day! grin yet they claim they fasted.
Shukran as you respond

"…So the disbeliever was utterly defeated. and Allâh guides not the people, who are Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, etc.)"
[al-Baqarah: 258]
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by Almuhandis: 11:03pm On Sep 14, 2010
grin my position on this thread has been very clear from the begining. Pls my christian brethren, what ever you are not clear about, do ask me. I am ready to answer any ques emanating from this thread.But i am thru with the dogs and the unbelivers-who the god of this age has blinded their eyes.Except offcourse Yesua comes to their rescue-our utmost desire.Amen  lipsrsealed
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by bashydemy(m): 8:10am On Sep 15, 2010
OMG you this guys are so stupid you want the the blind to ask the blind Question huh you want to educate them on what you dont know anything about?
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:13pm On Sep 15, 2010
Almuhandis:

grin my position on this thread has been very clear from the begining. Pls my christian brethren, what ever you are not clear about, do ask me. I am ready to answer any ques emanating from this thread.But i am thru with the dogs and the unbelivers-who the god of this age has blinded their eyes.Except offcourse Yesua comes to their rescue-our utmost desire.Amen lipsrsealed

Another kweshun. What does the Arabic Bible call God?
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 2:40pm On Sep 15, 2010
Almuhandis:

grin my position on this thread has been very clear from the begining. Pls my christian brethren, what ever you are not clear about, do ask me. I am ready to answer any ques emanating from this thread.But i am thru with the dogs and the unbelivers-who the god of this age has blinded their eyes.Except offcourse Yesua comes to their rescue-our utmost desire.Amen  lipsrsealed

Very, very unfortunate.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by Almuhandis: 6:52pm On Sep 15, 2010
OLAADEGBU:

Another kweshun.  What does the Arabic Bible call God?
The Arabic Bible Calls GOD Allah-simply because Allah in arabic signifies a monotheistic Diety. And NOT because its the same SPIRIT. Follow me patiently now, because Jesus is making you a principal witness cool
  grin It is no secret to those who have studied the history and origins of Islam that Muhammad was born to a pagan tribe who worshiped a host of gods and goddesses, the chief of whom was Allah. For example, the hadith literature states that the pagans had 360 idols placed around the Kabah which Muhammad subsequently destroyed when he conquered Mecca: grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Narrated Abdullah:
When the Prophet entered Mecca on the day of the Conquest, there were 360 idols around the Ka'ba. The Prophet started striking them with a stick he had in his hand and was saying, "Truth has come and Falsehood will neither start nor will it reappear.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 583)

Muhammad’s pagan tribe further believed that their god Allah had at least three daughters whom they worshiped as goddesses. The names of Allah’s daughters were Allat, al-Uzza and Manat. cool cool

Moreover, according to the Islamic sources Muhammad’s father’s name was Abdullah, which means “slave of Allah.” However, despite his name being “slave of Allah” Muhammad’s father still went to hell according to Muhammad since he was a pagan: grin grin grin

Chapter 86: HE WHO DIED WITH UNBELIEF WOULD BE (THROWN) INTO THE FIRE, INTERCESSION WOULD BE OF NO AVAIL TO HIM AND THE RELATIONSHIP OF HIS FAVOURITES WOULD NOT BENEFIT HIM

Anas reported: Verily, a person said: Messenger of Allah, where is my father? He said: (He) is in the Fire. When he turned away, he (the Holy Prophet) called him and said: Verily my father and your father are in the Fire. (Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0398)

In light of the fact that Muhammad’s family and his tribe were pagans it is reasonably certain that the Allah whom the Meccans worshiped was nothing more than a pagan god whom Muhammad took and sought to transform into the one true universal God worshiped by the prophets of the Holy Bible.

Moreover, the Holy Bible indicates that idolatry is clearly satanic and that there are demons associated with idols:

“They made him jealous with their foreign gods and angered him with their detestable idols. They sacrificed to demons, which are not God — gods they had not known, gods that recently appeared, gods your fathers did not fear.” Deuteronomy 32:16-17

“Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf. Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons. Are we trying to arouse the Lord's jealousy? Are we stronger than he?” 1 Corinthians 10:19-21

“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: ‘I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.’” 2 Corinthians 6:14-18

In this last passage idols are connected with Belial the prince of demons and contrasted with God’s temple.

Thus, since Muhammad’s tribe was pagans who worshiped idols this means that their beliefs were satanic in origin. This also means that the Allah which these pagans worshiped was not the one true God of the Holy Bible but a pagan deity used by Satan to lead them away from the true God. lipsrsealed

It is not uncommon to find Muslim dawagandists appealing to the Arabic translation of the Holy Bible in order to prove that the Allah worshiped by the pre-Islamic pagans of Mecca was not a false god and/or Satan himself.
One Muslim dawagandist in particular referred to the Arabic translation of John 3:16 and to the Aramaic translation of John 1:1-4 to prove that Christians also worship the Muslim god! He then reasons that if the Islamic Allah which was derived from pagan beliefs is actually Satan then this proves that the God of the Bible is the Devil as well since he is called Allah in the Arabic Bible!

At this point the Muslims are guilty of committing several logical fallacies, most notably the fallacies of equivocation and false analogy. It also attacks straw man and brings up a red herring.

The following Christian apologist explains it best:

3. False Analogy: Comparing two things as if they are parallel when they are not really the same at all.
Examples:

#1 Many Muslims erroneously assume that Muslims and Christians share the same concepts of God, revelation, inspiration, textual preservation, the Bible, prophethood, biblical history, conversion, etc,

#2 Because a false analogy is drawn between Islam and Christianity, some Muslims think that any argument which refutes the Qur'an will likewise refute the Bible; any argument which refutes Muhammad will also refute Jesus Christ, etc,

#3 For example, many Muslims claim that Muhammad and all prophets were sinless. They even deny that Abraham was an idol worshipper. Thus when a Christian points out all the wicked things that Muhammad did (mass murder, child abuse, lying, etc.), the Muslims will say,

"If you are right, then you must also reject your biblical prophets for doing wicked things as well."

What he is really saying is, "If you reject my prophet, then you must reject your prophets as well. If Muhammad was a false prophet, then your prophets are false as well."

The root problem is that the Muslim concept of prophethood is not the same as the Christian concept of prophethood. We teach that prophets sin like anyone else. Thus while Islam is refuted by the sins of Muhammad, Christianity is not jeopardized at all. The Muslim is guilty of setting up a "false analogy."

Whenever a Muslim responds to a Christian attack on the Qur'an, Muhammad, or Allah by flipping the argument around and applying it to the Bible, Jesus or the Trinity as if Islam and Christianity either stand or fall together, he is guilty of the fallacy of false analogy. Islam can be false and Christianity be true at the same time.

4. The Fallacy of Irrelevance: When you introduce issues which have no logical bearing on the subject under discussion, you are using irrelevant arguments…

#5 The present meaning of a word is irrelevant to what it meant in ancient times. The word "Allah" is a good example. When confronted by the historical evidence that the word was used by pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times to refer to a high god who was married to the sun-goddess and had three daughters, some Muslims will quote dictionaries, encyclopedias, etc. to prove (sic) that "Allah means God." They are thus using modern definitions to define what the word meant over a thousand years ago! What "Allah" means now has no bearing on what it meant before Muhammad.

5. The Fallacy of Equivocation: If we assume that everyone has the same definition of such words as God, Jesus, revelation, inspiration, prophet, miracle, etc., we are committing a very simple logical fallacy…

#4 When a Muslims tells you that the word "Allah" has only one meaning: "the one, true, universal God," he is assuming a fallacy. The word "allah" has many different meanings.

a. It can be used as a generic term like the English word "God." Thus it can be applied to any god or goddess regardless if a true or false god is in view. (ex. The "Allahs" of Hinduism.)

b. The Nation of Islam uses it to refer to Wallace Dodd Ford, Elijah Muhammad, and Louis Farrakhan as "Allah" and teaches that all black people are "Allahs."

c. It has been used by some Christians in Arabic speaking countries as a generic name for the Holy Trinity.

d. It was used in pre-Islamic times by pagan Arabs to refer to the moon-god who was the father of al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat.

e. It is used by Muslims to refer to their god.

Islam and Christianity do not worship the same God. The Christian worships the Holy Trinity while the Muslim worships a unitarian deity. (Dr. Robert A. Morey, Common Logical Fallacies Made By Muslims)

Moreover, in their haste to prove that Muhammad’s god is the one true God worshiped by the Biblical prophets these dawagandists overlooked the fact that their objection is based entirely on A TRANSLATION of the Holy Bible! The inspired Scriptures were not written in Arabic but in Hebrew and Greek, with parts of the OT being written in Aramaic. As such, it is utterly fallacious to appeal to what some translators decided to use or do when translating God's inspired Word in another language. In fact, we will see what happens when we apply this same method to a Greek translation of the Quran.

To make matters worse the Muslim argument presupposes that the Allah mentioned in the Arabic Bible is actually the same as the Islamic Allah or the Allah worshiped by the pagans. This erroneously assumes that just because Arabic speaking Christians, Jews, Muslims etc. use the word Allah this somehow proves that they are all worshiping one and the same Being. However, such is not the case since the Muslims are worshiping a false god as our examination here will prove.
The Arabic Bible on the multi-personal nature of Allah
The Arabic Bible not only identifies the Father as Allah it also claims that Jesus Christ is Allah as well. The Arabic Bible further teaches that Jesus Christ is the beloved Son of Allah and his eternal Word who became flesh:
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“In the beginning was the Word (al-Kalima), and the Word was with God (Allahi), and the Word was God (wa kana al-Kalima Allaha). He was in the beginning with God (Allahi); all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life (al-hayatu), and the life (al-hayatu) was the light of men (noora al-nasi). The light (al-nooru) shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it… The true light (al-nuru al-haqqiqu) that enlightens every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father (majdan kama li-wahidin min al-Abi).” John 1:1-5, 9-10, 14
In this passage Jesus is identified as the Word that became flesh who exists with Allah and who is Allah! As the Word Jesus is also said to be the Life and the true Light, statements which he himself makes all throughout the Gospel:
“When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, ‘I am the Light of the world (ana huwa noor al-alam). Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life (noor al-hayat).’” John 8:12
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“As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world (ana huwa noor al-alam).” John 9:4-5
“Jesus said to her, ‘I am the Resurrection and the Life (ana huwa al-qiyamatu wal-hayatu). He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?’” John 11:25-26

“I have come into the world as Light (noor), so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.” John 12:46
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“Jesus answered, ‘I am the Way and the Truth and the Life (ana huwa al-tariqu wal-haqqu wal-hayatu). No one comes to the Father except through me.’” John 14:6
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What makes Jesus’ statements rather remarkable is that according to the Quran these are some of the very names and attributes which belong exclusively to Allah!
That is because Allah, He is the Truth (Allahu huwa al-haqqu), and it is He Who gives life to the dead, and it is He Who is Able to do all things. S. 22:6 Hilali-Khan
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth (Allahu nooru al-samawati wa al-ardi). The similitude of His light is as a niche wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a shining star. (This lamp is) kindled from a blessed tree, an olive neither of the East nor of the West, whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself) though no fire touched it. Light upon light. Allah guideth unto His light whom He will. And Allah speaketh to mankind in allegories, for Allah is Knower of all things. S. 24:35

Look, therefore, at the prints of Allah's mercy (in creation): how He quickeneth the earth after her death. Lo! He verily is the Quickener of the Dead, and He is Able to do all things. S. 30:50

He is the Living (One) (Huwa al-hayyu): There is no god but He: Call upon Him, giving Him sincere devotion. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds! … It is He Who gives Life and Death; and when He decides upon an affair, He says to it, "Be", and it is. S. 40:65, 68

Islamic theology teaches that Allah’s unique names and characteristics cannot be ascribed to any creature, no matter how exalted. In light of this it is apparent that Jesus Christ was making himself out to be God by claiming some of the very unique and exclusive names which the Quran itself testifies belong only to Deity!
“In the sixth month, God (Allahi) sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, ‘Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord (al-Rabu) is with you.’ Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God (Allahi). You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus (Yasu’a). He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High (ibn al-‘Ali). The Lord God (al-Rabu al-Ilah) will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.’ ‘How will this be,’ Mary asked the angel, ‘since I am a virgin?’ The angel answered, ‘The Holy Spirit (al-Ruhu al-Qudusu) will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One (al-Qudusu) to be born will be called the Son of God (ibn Allahi).” Luke 1:26-35

In fact, the Arabic Bible claims that Allah loved the world so much that he sent Jesus Christ his only Son to save it:

“For God (Allahu) so loved the world that he gave his only Son (ibnahu al-wahida), that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God (Allahu) sent the Son (ibnahu) into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God (ibni Allahi al-wahidi).” John 3:16-18

Any person who is even remotely familiar with the teachings of the Quran can easily see the problem at this point. The Allah that Muhammad worshiped is not the Father nor is Jesus Christ his beloved Son:

And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah (ibnu Allahi). That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! S. 9:30

“And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son. You have indeed advanced something hideous! The heavens are well-nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well-nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and it behoves not the All-merciful to take a son. None is there in the heavens and earth but he comes to the All-merciful as a servant;” S. 19:88-93

The Quran also says that anyone who claims that Allah is Jesus the Son of Mary is a disbeliever who will go to hell:

They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He will. And Allah is Able to do all things. S. 5:17

Indeed, they are disbelievers who say, `Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary,' whereas the Messiah himself said, `O Children of Israel, worship Allah who is my Lord and your Lord.' Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Paradise, and the Fire will be his resort. And the wrongdoers shall have no helpers. S. 5:72

Now this leaves these Islamic propagandists in an awkward position. By appealing to the Arabic Bible to prove their case they will now have to admit that the Quran is wrong for denying that Allah is the Father or that he is Jesus Christ. Or, even worse, they will have to accept the possibility that the Islamic scripture has been corrupted and doesn’t reflect the original teachings of Muhammad. After all, if Muhammad believed in the same Allah that the Arabic Bible mentions then he must have believed that both the Father and the Son are Allah. And since there are passages in the Quran which deny that the Father and the Son are both Allah these texts must have therefore been added sometime after Muhammad’s death.

Jesus Christ – The Rab of all Creation

The Arabic Bible further testifies that Jesus Christ is the Rab or Lord of all creation:

“You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all (hatha huwa Rabu al-kulli).” Acts 10:36

As the Lord of all Jesus sovereignly rules over both the living and the dead:

“For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the living and the dead (likay yasouda ala al-ahya' wal-amwat).” Romans 14:9

The same Arabic translation also says that a person must confess Jesus as his Rab and believe that God has raised him from the dead in order to be saved:

“That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus (b’al-Rabi Yasu’a) and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Romans 10:9

However, the only way one can truly confess that Jesus is Rab is if the Holy Spirit enables him/her to do so:

“Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, ‘Jesus be cursed,’ and no one can say, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ except by the Holy Spirit (Yasu’a Rabun illa b'al-Ruhi al-Qudusi).” 1 Corinthians 12:3

In fact, according to Jesus the prophet David himself was inspired by the Holy Spirit to confess that the Christ was his Rab:

“While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, ‘How is it that the teachers of the law say that the Christ is the son of David? David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit (al-Ruh al-Qudus), declared: “The Lord said to my Lord (Qala al-Rabu li-Rabi): “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.’” David himself calls him “Lord (Raban).” How then can he be his son?’ The large crowd listened to him with delight.” Mark 12:36-37

Jesus was quoting the following Psalm:

“The LORD says to my Lord (Qala al-Rabu li-Rabi): ‘Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.’” Psalm 110:1

One of Jesus’ disciples also quoted this Psalm to prove that Christ is Rab:

“Brethren, I may say to you confidently of the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God (Allaha) had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants upon his throne, he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ (al-Masiha), that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus (Yasu’a) God (Allahu) raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God (Allahi), and having received from the Father (al-Abi) the promise of the Holy Spirit (al-Ruhi al-Qudusi), he has poured out this which you see and hear. For David did not ascend into the heavens; but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord (Qala al-Rabu li-Rabi), Sit at my right hand, till I make thy enemies a stool for thy feet.’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God (Allaha) has made him both Lord and Christ (Raban wa Masihan), this Jesus (Yasu’a) whom you crucified.’” Acts 2:33-36

Not only is Jesus the Rab of all he is also the Ilah (God) and Heir who rules forever and who created and sustains all things:

“Thomas answered and said to him, ‘My Lord and my God (Rabi wa Ilahi)!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’ Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (Yasu’a huwa al-Masih ibn Allah), and that by believing you may have life in his name.” John 20:28-31

And:

“In the past God (Allahu) spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son (ibnihi), whom he appointed heir of all things (ja‘alaho warithan likuli shai’in), and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven… But about the Son (al-ibn) he [the Father] says, ‘Your throne, O God (Ya Allahu), will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God (Allahu Ilahuka), has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.’ He also says, ‘In the beginning, O Lord (Ya Rabu), you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.’” Hebrews 1:1-3, 8-12

Muhammad, on the other hand, taught that his god is the only Rab and that Allah would never allow any person to take a prophet or angel as a Rab in place of him:

Say (O Muhammad): “O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords (arbaban) besides Allah.” Then, if they turn away, say: “Bear witness that we are Muslims.” S. 3:64 Hilali-Khan

Nor would he order you to take angels and Prophets for lords (arbaban) (gods). Would he order you to disbelieve after you have submitted to Allah's Will? (Tafsir At-Tabari). S. 3:80 Hilali-Khan

This next passage has been traditionally interpreted to mean that Allah has even forbidden people from taking Jesus as one’s Rab:

They have taken as lords (arbaban) beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)! S. 9:31 Pickthall

We say traditionally since the grammar and structure actually imply that Jesus is supposed to be taken as Lord alongside Allah. For the details please consult the following articles:

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Incoherence/many_gods.htm
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/zawadi/jesus_lord.html

Moreover, according to Muslim scholars Rab is actually the greatest name of Allah:

The Meaning of Ar-Rabb, the Lord

Ar-Rabb is the owner who has full authority over his property. Ar-Rabb, linguistically means, the master or the one who has the authority to lead. All of these meanings are correct for Allah. When it is alone, the word Rabb is used ONLY for Allah. As for other than Allah, it can be used to say Rabb Ad-Dar, the master of such and such object. Further, it was reported that Ar-Rabb is Allah's Greatest Name. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Q. 1:2; capital and underline emphasis ours)

Muhammad also taught that Allah is the one who inherits all things:

But as for those who are niggardly with the bounty Allah has given them, let them not suppose it is better for them; nay, it is worse for them; that they were niggardly with they shall have hung about their necks on the Resurrection Day; and to Allah belongs the inheritance of the heavens and earth (wa lillahi meerathu al-samawati wa al-ardi); and Allah is aware of the things you do. S. 3:180

And certainly We! We it is Who give life, and cause death and We are the Inheritors (wa nahnu al-warithoona). S. 15:23

Verily! We will inherit (nahnu narithu) the earth and whatsoever is thereon. And to Us they all shall be returned, S. 19:40

Again, do these Muslims want us to seriously believe that their Allah is the same Allah worshiped by Arabic speaking Christians? Do they really want us to accept that the Allah spoken of in the Arabic Bible is the same Allah worshiped by Muhammad when the Arabic Bible teaches the following?

Allah is the Father and the Son.

Allah so loved the world that he sent his only Son to save it by dying on the cross and rising from the dead.

Jesus is the Rab or Lord of all creation and the Heir of all things.

A person must confess that Jesus is Rab and that God raised him from the dead in order to be saved.
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It is the Holy Spirit who enables a person to confess Jesus as Rab.
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The Holy Spirit even inspired the prophet David to worship and confess Jesus the Messiah as his Rab.

Since Islam clearly denies all of these Biblical truths how can these dawagandists use the Arabic Bible to prove that Muhammad's god cannot be a false god or even Satan himself since the word Allah is used in the Arabic translation of the inspired Scriptures? lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

to be continued Sir-I need to run to church now!
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by bashydemy(m): 10:09pm On Sep 15, 2010
what rubbish are you typing am not getting this what was the message?
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 10:21pm On Sep 15, 2010
al-muhandis, the fool, you have just concluded that out of all the races it was only the Arabs that did not believe in a supreme being; YOU ARE A BIG FOOL!
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by Almuhandis: 11:37pm On Sep 15, 2010
cool Asalamualaikum! shukran, for bearing with me, Came back from Church.
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Yes, I was saying,
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These Muslim propagandists are apparently unaware of the fact that according to the Holy Bible Muhammad is a false prophet and an antichrist which means that his god who inspired him is actually the spirit of antichrist. cool

The Scriptures plainly speak of false apostles who are/will be deceived and inspired by Satan to mislead people by proclaiming another Jesus and/or preaching a different Gospel:
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“I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough… I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.” 2 Corinthians 11:2-4, 12-15

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” Galatians 1:8-9
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The Holy Bible also warns of antichrists that will come denying the Father and the Son:

“Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. … Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is THE ANTICHRIST—he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” 1 John 2:18, 22-23

Muhammad denied that Allah is the Father and that Jesus is his Son. He also refused to believe that Jesus is Allah and our Rab. As if that wasn’t bad enough Muhammad further rejected Jesus’ vicarious death on the cross and subsequent resurrection. Muhammad is therefore one of those antichrists and false apostles which the Bible warns of, and therefore could not have been inspired by the true God. Muhammad was clearly influenced and taught by an evil, wicked spirit, even Satan himself.

In fact, what makes this rather interesting is that Muhammad himself initially thought that the spirit being who came to him and physically manhandled him was an evil spirit. Moreover, after his first encounter with this spirit Muhammad actually feared that he was demon-possessed and had gone mad and wanted to commit suicide because of it:

I. The beginning of the revelation to the Messenger of Allah was the true dream

6581. 'Urwa related that 'A'isha said, "The beginning [of the revelation] to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, took the form of the true dream in sleep. Whenever he had a dream, it was clear like the break of day. He used to go to Hira' and there he devoted himself to worship for a number of nights. He took provisions with him for that. Then he would return to Khadija and take provisions for the like of that again. This continued until the Truth came to him suddenly while he was in the Cave of Hira'. The angel came to him in it and said, 'Read!'
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"The Prophet said, 'I said, "I do not read." He seized me and squeezed me until all the strength went out of me and then released me and said, "Read!" I said, "I do not read." Then he seized me and squeezed me a second time until all the strength when out of me and then released me and said, "Read!" I said, "I do not read." Then he seized me and squeezed me a third time and then released me, and then he said, "Read in the name of your Lord who created man from a blood clot. Read, and your Lord is the Most Generous. He Who taught the use of the Pen" and the ayats up to "Taught man which he knew not." (96:1-5)'

"He returned with that and his heart was quaking. He went to Khadija and said, 'Wrap me up! Wrap me up!' They wrapped him up until the state of terror had left him and then he said to Khadija, 'What is wrong with me?" He told her what had happened and said, 'I am afraid for myself.' She said, 'No, it is good news. By Allah, Allah would never bring disgrace upon you. You maintain ties of kinship, speak the truth, bear people's burdens, give hospitality to your guests and help those who have been afflicted by calamities.'

"Then Khadija then went with him to Waraqa ibn Nawfal ibn Asad ibn 'Abdu'l-'Uzza ibn Qusayy, Khadija's cousin (the son of her father's brother), who had become Christian during the Jahiliyya. He could write in Arabic and wrote as much of the Gospel in Arabic as Allah willed. He was an old man who had gone blind. Khadija said to him, 'Cousin! Listen to your nephew.' Waraqa asked him, 'Nephew, what have you seen?' The Messenger of Allah told him what he had seen. Waraqa said to him, 'This is the Namus [Jibril] which Allah sent to Musa. I wish that I were still young. I wish I might still be alive when your people drive you out!' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Will they drive me out?' Waraqa said, 'Yes, no man has brought anything similar to what you have brought without being treated with hostility. If I am still alive on that day, I will give you my strong support.'

"Shortly after that, Waraqa died and there was a pause in the revelation until the Prophet became so sad that we heard that his sorrow several times made him want to throw himself off the tops of the mountains. Whenever he reached the peak of a mountain, Jibril would appear to him and say, 'Muhammad, you are truly the Messenger of Allah.' So his agitation was stilled by that and he would be at peace and then would return home. When the gap in the revelation was long for him, and he was moved to act as before. When he reached the peak of he mountain. Jibril would appear before him and say the like of that to him."

Ibn 'Abbas said that "(faliq al-isbagh) It is He Who splits the sky at dawn," (6:96) is the light of the sun in the day and the light of the moon at night. (Aisha Bewley, The Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari, 95. Book of Dream Interpretation;
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So I read it, and he departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was though these words were written on my heart. (Tabari: Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me POET OR POSSESSED - Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then) when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying ‘O Muhammad! thou are the apostle of God and I am Gabriel.’ (The Life of Muhammad – A Translation of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasulallah, with introduction and notes by Alfred Guillaume translation [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth Impression 1995], p. 106; bold and capital emphasis ours)

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Then he went to Khadijah and said, “Khadijah, I think that I have gone mad.” “No, by God,” she said, “Your Lord would never do that to you. You have never committed a wicked act.” Khadijah went to Waraqa b. Nawful and told him what had happened. He said, “If what you say is true, your husband is a prophet. He will meet adversity from his people. If I live long enough, I shall believe in him.”

After this, Gabriel did not come to him for a while, and Khadijah said to him, “I think that your Lord MUST HAVE COME TO HATE YOU.” Then God revealed to him:

By the forenoon, and by the night, when it is still, your Lord has not forsaken you, nor does he hate you.
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… I recited it, and then he desisted and departed I woke up, and it was as though these words had been written on my heart. There was no one of God’s creation more hateful to me than a poet or a madman; I could not bear to look at either of them. I said to myself, “Your humble servant (meaning himself) is either a poet or a madman, but Quraysh shall never say this of me. I shall take myself to a mountain crag, hurl myself down from it, kill myself, and find relief in that way.” (The History of al-Tabari: Muhammad at Mecca, translated and annotated by W. Montgomery Watt & M.V. McDonald [State University of New York Press (SUNY), Albany 1988], Volume VI, pp. 70-71; bold and capital emphasis ours)

Even Waraqa ibn Nawful, the Christian monk that Muhammad consulted after his encounter with the demon, initially suspected that the spirit who appeared to Muhammad may have been a devil masquerading as Gabriel:

“Waraqa was dumbfounded at this, and said, ‘If Gabriel has actually placed his feet upon the earth, he has done so for the best of people thereupon. And he never came down for anyone except a prophet. For he is the companion of all the prophets and messengers, the one whom God sends down to them. I believe what you tell me of him. Send for ‘Abd Allah’s son, so that I may question him, hear what he says and talk to him. I am afraid it may be someone other than Gabriel, for certain devils imitate him and by so doing can mislead and corrupt some men. This can result in a man becoming confused and even crazy whereas before he had been of sound mind.’” (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume I, pp. 296-297; bold emphasis ours)

As far as the evidence from the Holy Bible is concerned both Waraqa and Muhammad were correct in fearing that the being who came to Muhammad was actually an evil spirit.


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Since Muslims are fond of appealing to the Arabic translation of the Holy Bible to prove their case we have decided to turn to the Greek translation of the Quran to see what happens when we apply the Muslim logic again, quoting from the Greek version of the Quran that is found here.

What makes this translation unique is that the translators have kept the Arabic word Allah by transliterating it as Allach (alpha-lambda-lambda-chi), as opposed to simply translating it by its Greek equivalent, i.e. ho theos (“the God”). This indicates that the translators did not view Allah as a generic noun but as the actual proper name of the Islamic deity, much like Yahweh is the name of the true God revealed in the Holy Bible.

Be that as it may, this version does use the Greek word theos whenever it refers to Allah as the only God:

Your God (ho theos) is One God (henas theos); there is no God (theos) save Him, the Beneficent, the Merciful. S. 2:163

Allah bears witness that there is no God (theos) but He -- and the angels, and men possessed of knowledge -- upholding justice; there is no god but He, the All-mighty, the All-wise. S. 3:18

He is Allah, the God (ho theos) in the heavens and in the earth. He knoweth both your secret and your utterance, and He knoweth what ye earn. S. 6:3

Lo! I, even I, am Allah (Ego eimai ho Allach), There is no God (theos) save Me. So serve Me and establish worship for My remembrance. S. 20:14

And He it is Who is God (ho theos), in heaven and God on earth; and He is full of Wisdom and Knowledge. S. 43:84

And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god (theos) beside Him, that one We should repay with hell. Thus We Repay wrong-doers. S. 21:29

Hence, according to the Greek Quran Allah is the only ho theos or theos since no other ho theos or theos exists.

Now if we were to apply the exact same method employed by these Muslim dawagandists we would have to conclude that Allah is the pagan god Zeus since according to Greek mythology Zeus was called ho theos or theos. Note the logic here:

According to the Greek Quran Allah is ho theos.
In Greek mythology Zeus was called ho theos.
Therefore, Allah is actually the pagan god Zeus.
We could even use this to prove that Muhammad’s Allah is actually the Father and Jesus Christ his Son since the Greek NT calls both of them ho theos and theos:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (ton theon), and the Word was God (theos). He was in the beginning with God (ton theon).” John 1:1-2

“For God (ho theos) so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16

“Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God (ho kyrios mou kai ho theos mou)!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’” John 20:28-29

“while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ (tou megalou theou kai soteros hemon ‘Iesou Christou), who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.” Titus 2:13

“Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ (tou theou hemon kai soteros ‘Iesou Christou) have received a faith as precious as ours:” 2 Peter 1:1

“For he received honor and glory from God the Father (theou patros) when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, ‘This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.’” 2 Peter 1:17

Once again, if the Muslim logic were applied consistently then this means that the Father and the Son are Allah, the God of Muhammad! cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool

According to the Greek Quran Allah is called theos with or without the article.
In the New Testament both the Father and the Son are called ho theos or simply theos.
Therefore, Muhammad’s Allah is a multi-personal being who simultaneously exists as both the Father and Jesus Christ the Son.
We are pretty certain that these Islamic dawagandists would reject our logic on the grounds that the Quran wasn’t written in Greek but in Arabic. We are sure that they would argue that just because individuals use the same words for their G/god(s) this doesn’t mean that they are necessarily worshiping the same G/god. Thus, just because the Greeks called Zeus ho theos this doesn’t mean that Greek speaking Muslims are worshiping Zeus since they also call Allah ho theos. Nor would this imply that Greek speaking Muslims are worshiping the Father and Jesus Christ the Son as Allah despite the fact that both the Greek New Testament and the Greek translation of the Quran use the same words to describe them all.
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In the same exact way, just because an Arabic translation of the Holy Bible uses the word Allah this doesn’t mean that Christians and Muslims are worshiping the same God. Nor does this disprove that Islam derived its god from paganism and that the pagan Allah is actually Satan masquerading as God. The Biblical data is clear that the Allah of Islam is the spirit of the antichrist and that Muhammad was one of those antichrists whom the true Apostles of God said would come to deceive people away from the truth of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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As such, the Arabic version of the Holy Bible does not help Islam or confirm Muhammad's claims, and Muslims need to therefore stop using it to prove their case. Naam!
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:39am On Sep 16, 2010
@Almuhandis,

God bless you for your efforts in blessing us with the elaborate explanation you gave above.

Shukran, shukran jiddan.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:43am On Sep 16, 2010
Almuhandis:

www.arabicbible.com/christian/arab_christians.htm
Keep praying for the ones who "the God of this age has blinded their eyes.
Do also pray and fast for our Christian ummah in the Middle east,that the Holy Ghost will tell them what they need to do.
Please do not fast like the heathens-they eat two times in one day! grin yet they claim they fasted.
Shukran as you respond

By God's grace we will keep praying for the brethren in the midst of lions they will surely get many crowns on that Day. They are the real heroes whose labour of love will not be in vain.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 5:15am On Sep 16, 2010
Let us teach you Islam:

Somebody once asked on this Forum: ‘What is the genesis and significance of "the five pillars of Islam".

And we answered:

The five pillars of Islâm are:

One: Testifying that Allaah is the Only Supreme Being worthy of worship in truth, and that Muhammad is His Messenger (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam).

Evidence for that abound in the Qur’ân.

The significance of that is that people will know that Allaah (those who still refer to Him as one of the idols in Makkah are only celebrating their ignorance; do you say the Arabs never knew that there is a Supreme Being?) Only is the Creator that all forms of worship are supposed to be directed to, and that Muhammad is the last of Allaah’s Messengers and Prophets (not as being loosely used in Xtianity) whose explanation of divine phenomenon, as revealed to him, must be listened to. Muslims know that they cannot worship Allaah adequately unless the follow the Messenger of Allaah (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam).

Closely associated with the above is belief in the following:

Belief in the angels – Jibreel, Mikail, Israfeel, Maalik, Malakul-Maut (angel of death) Munkar, Nakir, etc. (Only Allaah knows their number.)

Belief in all the Messengers and Prophets of Allaah (Allaah’s peace on them all). No Muslim will disbelieve in a Prophet of Allaah, say Jesus (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam), and remains a Muslim. (Muslims are in a better condition).

Belief in the Heavenly Books – Torah, Zabur, Injeel and the Qur’aan (that confirms, or otherwise, of other Books.)

Belief in the Last Day (when the truth of Islâm as the religion of all the Prophets, among other things, will be resolved by the Judge - Allaah).

And belief in preordainment (Qadar), that Allaah had foreknowledge of what would be and what would not be; that I am typing these lines now had been preordained. The Prophet (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam) has said the first thing Allaah created was the Pen, and He said to it: ‘Write,’ the Pen asked: ‘What should I write?’ He said write all what will be till the end of time.’ So all that is, whether good or bad, Allaah had the foreknowledge of them. Our Lord is a Mighty Lord, Above is He from all false things He has been described with.

The points above constitute the bedrock of the Aqeedah (Creed) of a Muslim.

The second pillar is observance of the Salat (Prayer).

It is a commandment from Allaah that the Muslims must observe the Salat five times a day (Sub’h, Dhuhr, Asr, Maghrib and Ishaa).

“Perform AsSalât from mid-day till the darkness of the night (i.e. the Zuhr, 'Asr, Maghrib, and 'Ishâ' prayers), and recite the Qur'ân in the early dawn (i.e. the morning prayer). Verily, the recitation of the Qur'ân in the early dawn is ever witnessed (attended by the angels in charge of mankind of the day and the night).” [Q17: 78].

Observing the Salat is a means of seeking nearness to Allaah; and they are meant to mould a Muslim in his daily life:

“, and perform As-Salât. Verily, As-Salât (the prayer) prevents from Al-Fahshâ' (i.e. great sins of every kind, unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.) and Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism, and every kind of evil wicked deed, etc.)” [Q29: 45]

The Salat is very important in a Muslim life that whoever does not observe it, wholly and knowingly, and calls him/herself a Muslim is not. The Prophet (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam) has said: ‘Between a man and his becoming an unbeliever or a polytheist is when he leaves off the Salat. Whoever leaves off the Salat has disbelieved.’ (Authentic hadith).

We have other obligatory Salawat apart from the five mentioned above, an example of that is Salatu Jumah (observed once in a week – Fridays; it is not compulsory for women to attend). There are other supererogatory Salat called Naafilah – that accompany the daily Salawat and the pre-dawn prayer (Tahajjud). There occasional Salawat like the Prayers on the occasion of the two Eids (Adh’a and Fitr); Prayer for rain, prayer when there is eclipse, etc. The Nawafil are optional.

It is noteworthy that the number of times a Muslim will observe the Salat in a day was given by Allaah to His Messenger in the latter’s momentous and historic journey to the heavens (Israa wa Miraaj). All the Christians on this Forum would instantly add that to another ‘lies’ of Al-Ameen (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam), poor them. Well unbelievers’ lot are to disbelieve, carry on. The Jews disbelieved, and are still disbelieving, in Jesus Christ (and the Christians loved, and love, them more than the Muslims, what an irony!).
[All the Arabs used to know the Prophet (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam) as Al-Ameen (the trustworthy one; he never told a lie in his life) but they called him a liar when he told them there is only one God. Was it possible that someone who did not tell a lie when dealing with people would tell lie when referring to God? Unbelievable.]

The third pillar is fasting in the month of Ramadan (the ninth month of Islamic calendar).

“O you who believe! Observing As-Saum (the fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).” [Q2: 183].

So it is glaring from the above verse that fasting in Ramadan was commanded so that Muslims will learn more piety. And it is so.

Imagine a fasting Muslim who refrains from eating and having intimacy with his wife while he has the power to do such, especially the former, in secret without anybody bringing him to book, but he will not do that because he knows that the Supreme Being sees him. That is it.

Fasting can also be obligatory or supererogatory. Muslims do not fast in Ramadan alone.

Thus fasting is another means of seeking nearness to Allaah (the Mighty and Sublime).

The fourth pillar is paying the Zakat.

“And perform As-Salât, and give Zakât, ” [Q2: 43].

So giving the Zakat is obligatory on the rich Muslims those whose wealth has gone beyond the Nisaab (the minimum standard of wealth from which Zakat can be given). The Nisaab, which today is according to the gold value, is around N250,000 now (subject to confirmation please). A rich Muslim who has more than that amount in his savings for a whole year without touching it will pay 2.5 per cent of it as Zakat, and they are meant for:

“, the Fuqarâ' (poor), and Al-Masâkin (the poor) and those employed to collect (the funds); and for to attract the hearts of those who have been inclined (towards Islâm); and to free the captives; and for those in debt; and for Allâh's Cause (the necessary and obligatory warfare), and for the wayfarer (a traveller who is cut off from everything); a duty imposed by Allâh. And Allâh is All-Knower, All-Wise.” [Q9: 60].

When the Zakat is properly managed and administered by the Islamic Community, then you will see how Allaah uses the Muslims to enrich one another. Some Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia are trying in this regard.

And if you read the verse above carefully, you will notice that it is not even only the Muslims that receive the Zakat.

In a Muslim State, non-Muslims who are called people of the books (viz. Xtians and Jews) are not to pay Zakat but will pay Jizyah (for the security they receive from the Islamic state). When Jesus comes back (as certain he will come back, no good Muslim will deny this, he will remove the Jizyah because by then the non-Muslims namely the Christians (alive then) will have no option but to become Muslims. You will laugh, GODSON et all, won’t you? That is the truth from our LORD - Allaah.

“And he ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)] shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection) [i.e. 'Iesa's (Jesus) descent on the earth] . Therefore have no doubt concerning it (i.e. the Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (Allâh) (i.e. be obedient to Allâh and do what He orders you to do, O mankind)! This is the Straight Path (of Islâmic Monotheism, leading to Allâh and to His Paradise).” [Q43: 61].

The non-obligatory aspect of Zakat is what is called Sadaqah, voluntary alms, which is an everyday activity of a Muslim.

The last pillar is going on hajj.

The Muslims have evidence for Hajj they go to, we do not copy people. But people copy us.

“, And Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) to the House (Ka'bah) is a duty that mankind owes to Allâh, those who can afford the expenses (for one's conveyance, provision and residence); and whoever disbelieves [i.e. denies Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah), then he is a disbeliever of Allâh], then Allâh stands not in need of any of the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns).” [Q3: 97].

Non-Muslims should know that the institution of Hajj had been a commandment handed down by Allaah to Ibrahim (Abraham) – the Father of Faith.

“And (remember) when We showed Ibrâhim (Abraham) the site of the (Sacred) House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me, [Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh (none has the right to be worshipped but Allâh Islâmic Monotheism], and sanctify My House for those who circumambulate it, and those who stand up for prayer, and those who bow (submit themselves with humility and obedience to Allâh), and make prostration (in prayer, etc.);” [Q22: 26].

“And (remember) when Ibrâhim (Abraham) and (his son) Ismâ'il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), (saying), "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.” [Q2: 127].

Note, Oh Christians, that the Arabs whom the Prophet (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam) met in Makkah never denied that fact even though they would have denied it as they did for other facts, because they knew it was nothing but the truth. But you Christians, here and in other places, you open your mouths and say Ka’bah ‘is a house in Makkah that houses a god called Allaah.’

“Indeed you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing. Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins” [Q19: 89-90].

It is stated in the Bible (get it right now, the Bible is an admixture of words of God and men [some of you have confirmed that on other threads]; Muslims believe in what comes from God there as confirmed by the Qur’ân and the authentic narrations from the Prophet (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam) [like here O Israel our God is One] and we dsibeleive in what comes from men [e.g. that Jesus is God or that he is son of God {may Allaah be glorified from that}], so please take note.) so it is stated (in the Bible) that Abraham was commanded to take Ishmael (Isma’eel) and his mother (Haajar) away. To where? Please we need your answer.

Meanwhile Islâm has answered that:

Allah said quoting Ibrahim:

“O our Lord! I (Ibrahim) have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivable valley by Your Sacred House (the Ka'bah at Makkah); in order, O our Lord, that they may perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), so fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allâh) provide them with fruits so that they may give thanks.” [Q14: 37]

Notice Ibrahim’s supplication for Makkah in the verse. Will you understand, O Christians?

So a nation has been born through Islâm Muhammad, a grandson of Ishmael, brought as commissioned by Allaah. The nation is a great one, as the Bible (the one that comes from God) attests to; and the Jews are highly Jealous of it, as it (the Bible) also says.

So Ka’abah was the first house of worship on the surface of the earth.

“Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-'Alamîn (the mankind and jinns).” [Q3: 96]

Back to the issue of hajj being the last pillar of Islâm.

It is obligatory on capable Muslims to go on Hajj:

“That they may witness things that are of benefit to them (i.e. reward of Hajj in the Hereafter, and also some worldly gain from trade, etc.), and mention the Name of Allâh on appointed days (i.e. 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th day of Dhul-Hijjâh), over the beast of cattle that He has provided for them (for sacrifice) (at the time of their slaughtering by saying: Bismillah, Wallâhu-Akbar, Allâhumma Minka wa Ilaik). Then eat thereof and feed therewith the poor who have a very hard time. Then let them complete the prescribed duties (Manâsik of Hajj) for them, and perform their vows, and circumambulate the Ancient House (the Ka'bah at Makkah).” [Q22: 28-29].

So the hajj is also for spiritual development of the Muslims.

The non-obligatory hajj is called Umrah – it can be performed any period out of the Hajj months (the Hajj months are Shawwal, Dhul-Qi’dah and up to tenth day of Dhul-Hijjah). But it is best performed in Ramadan.

Go to Hajj and see equality par excellence. In Hajj all Muslims (heads-of-state, peasants, traders, labourers, etc) stand, walk, pray side by side.
There is no Muslim that will go on Hajj except that his Faith will increase.

The Prophet (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam) has said a hajj performed by a Muslim whereby he avoids all forms of sins (arguments, fighting, sexual intimacy with one’s wife {when adorning the Ihraam}) has no reward except that the person will come back like the day his mother gave birth to him – a sinless state. Allahu Akbar! (We do not need somebody’s blood).

These are what we the Muslims worship our Lord with, we are happy we are so guided, we implore those who are not Muslims to reason alongside their Creator so that they know what He wants from them, not what they want from Him.
[‘Inu midun pe moje Muslim’ (I am happy I am a Muslim)].

Peace unto those who follow the guidance.

NB: (sallallâhu ’alayhi wa sallam) means: May Allaah exalt his mentioning, and bestow him peace.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 5:26am On Sep 16, 2010
al-muhadis, al-ahmaq (the fool); when those superiror to you, relying on the same source of yours, once raised the issue of Allaah being an idol in Makkah sometime ago, this was thier response.

“ Muslims insist that the name " Allah" must be used in every language…”


This is where you actually addressed the issue at hand. Muslims prefer that God should be called Allaah because that is what He says His Name is in the Final Revelation. This does not mean Allaah cannot be called in other names that people call God. But it is better that Muslims call Him Allaah because some other names God is called might have one form of corruption or the other. For instance the word ‘God’ is somehow ambiguous. When you hear ‘God’ or ‘god’ how do you differentiate that? One can easily slip into error, so this is why Muslims feel safe calling God Allaah often.

Yes the Arabs used to worship more than 360 idols before Prophet Muhammad stop that. Allaah was never part of those idols otherwise the Arabs would have got a stataue for him as they did for other gods. Why? Because they knew He was a Supreme Being that cannot be seen. In fact just like the Jews, they had demanded from the Prophet that they liked to see Allaah:

“And those who expect not for a Meeting with us (i.e. those who deny the Day of Resurrection and the life of the Hereafter), say: "Why are not the angels sent down to us, or why do we not see Our Lord?" indeed they think too highly of themselves, and are scornful with great pride.” [Q25: 21].

So if Allah were an idol (I seek refuge in Him from that), they would not have asked the Prophet to let them see Him.

To say that Allah is an idol, that is a documented history, shows another aspect of your referencing history. You yourself know within your heart that you have told a BIG LIE. Where is it documented O Nezan that Allaah is a chief idol? Bring it or else, as usual, you are a [finish it yourself, so that you will not say I am abusing you.]

And did that your phantom ‘greatest historian’ say Allaah was an idol?

As for the origin of the Ka’bah and the Hajj, I think I have addressed that in the answer I gave to Kola Oloye in ‘Ask Me About Islam’ so go back and read it.

“ Within the Kaaba, in pre-Moslem days, were several idols representing gods. One was called Allah, three others were Allah's daughters, al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manah, (Will Durant, "The Story of Civilization," IV: 160-61).”

So Will Durant was that ‘greatest historian’ who told you that Allaah was the chief idol of the Makkans. See what I have been telling you that the historians that you in particular quote are fools. A fact that a toddler among the Bedouin Arabs know; that Allaah is in the heaven and cannot be seen, and that the Arabs had never thought Him to be an idol, but your Will Durant said otherwise. He must be a fool. Well tell us who said he ‘was the greatest’ historian so that we would see how foolish that person is also. It must be your imagination!

That some idols were called al-Uzza, al-Lat and al-Manaat, and that the Arabs say they are ‘daughters of Allaah’ is a phenomenon well-known, that is, that they said that. And Allaah had repeatedly faulted that in the Qur’aan. See this, and please read it carefully:

“Have You Then considered Al-Lât, and Al-'Uzza
And Manât (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?
Is it for You the males and for Him the females?
That indeed is a division Most unfair!
They are but names which You have named, You and Your fathers, for which Allâh has sent down no authority. they follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the guidance from their Lord!”

So it is glaring from the above that the idols were conjectures of the pagan Arabs.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 7:28am On Sep 16, 2010
Al-Muhandis, Al-Ahmaq; the thread was started by you to claim that you understand the Arabic Language, when that cliam of yours was quashed, you moved towards discrediting Islam with claims severla of which have been thoroughly discussed before you came on board. We shall not waste time with you, as you bring them we shall reproduce the answers we gave them. But be sure that you will suffer the same fate they suffered. One of them (I will not mention thier names), pretended that he was living the UK for Nigeria, since then, his hand had never been seen; perhaps he had adopted another username. The other person jsut made a volteface and said he could not carry on while one of them went vituperative.

We have resolved to do carry out this effort:

"…so that those who were to be destroyed (for their rejecting the Faith) might be destroyed after a clear evidence, and those who were to live (i.e. believers) might live after a clear evidence. And surely, Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
[al-Anfaal: 42]

So we are waiting; what about your three stages of Jihaad?

Do not forget Muhammmad a pedophile;

Contradictions in the Qur'aan;

Etc.

Baa masala kai daiska ne.

'Mo tun fi yen surprise re.'
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:39pm On Sep 16, 2010
@Almuhandis,

Coming to think of it this man's testimony reveals how satanic he used to be before he found Christ.  Here you will hear him talk about him using diabolical powers by his idols that he worships to do evil. The testimony is in English and subtitled in Arabic.

[flash=600,500]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-8870177642686242029&hl=en&fs=true[/flash]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8870177642686242029
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 2:26pm On Sep 16, 2010
OLAADEGBU:

@Almuhandis,

Coming to think of it this man's testimony reveals how satanic he used to be before he found Christ.  Here you will hear him talk about him using diabolical powers by his idols that he worships to do evil. The testimony is in English and subtitled in Arabic.

[flash=600,500]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-8870177642686242029&hl=en&fs=true[/flash]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8870177642686242029

You must definitely be sad now.

Say no if you are not.

LOL.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:45pm On Sep 16, 2010
abulbanaat:

You must definitely be sad now.

Say no if you are not.

LOL.

Why wouldn't I be sad seeing how satan has blinded and captivated his prey, but joy comes in the morning because Jesus conquered the grave and rose to set the captives free. cheesy
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 5:08pm On Sep 16, 2010
OLAADEGBU:

Why wouldn't I be sad seeing how satan has blinded and captivated his prey, but joy comes in the morning because Jesus conquered the grave and rose to set the captives free. cheesy

Hmm, what a pretension!

Every sensible person will know that your hope and confidence have been shattered.

Well, it is good you do not show all the weakness.

We hope to hear from your comrade, al-muhandis al-ahmaq.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:13pm On Sep 16, 2010
abulbanaat:

Hmm, what a pretension!

Every sensible person will know that your hope and confidence have been shattered.

Well, it is good you do not show all the weakness.

We hope to hear from your comrade, al-muhandis al-ahmaq.

It is a pity that you don't even know that you are the prey in captivity. The battle has been fought and won on our behalf.  We are more than conquerors thru Jesus Christ our Lord. cheesy

Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by abulbanaat(m): 5:59pm On Sep 16, 2010
OLAADEGBU:

It is a pity that you don't even know that you are the prey in captivity. The battle has been fought and won on our behalf.  We are more than conquerors thru Jesus Christ our Lord. cheesy

If you had used the 'Holy Ghost' and whatever ghost, it is crystal-clear that you hope and confidence have been shattered.

You are only trying to save your face; it is damned already.

Seek no escape route, let us have your proofs that Islam is not the way and stop babbling over a metaphysical war.

Wait a minute, if you are indeed of God, you should be able to prove it that we are wrong as Muslims; why do you make Satan laugh at your folly for empowering him over yourself.

Please, be rational, and stop casting aspersions, tell me how Islam is a false religion; TELL ME OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

You will not be able to; even if you spend the whole life time trying to because Islam is from the Lord of the worlds.

'Whoever has been guided by Allaah is indeed guided; whomever he leaves to stray none can guide aright.'

I am happy Allaah has guided me to Islam; you may call it misguidance because you are deluded and misguided.

Since all my encounters with Christians, I have always found them to be fools who cannot see with their eyes. Many of them had good education yet they are fools, fools, fools,

We shall continue to defeat you intellectually and otherwise. The day we will not be able to is the day when any of you accepts Islam of course you will be in the winning camp.

No apology to you korinyos.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:59pm On Sep 16, 2010

Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by Almuhandis: 11:18pm On Sep 16, 2010
OLAADEGBU:

It is a pity that you don't even know that you are the prey in captivity.  The battle has been fought and won on our behalf.  We are more than conquerors thru Jesus Christ our Lord. cheesy
my brother you are blessed cool do you see the frustration in the mannerism of the sinking jihadist? Now this is what I want you to do-IGNORE him just as I have done.let us stay focused on the reason for this thread(though you must keep praying for these lost souls in Jesus name).
nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-445327.640.html
In this thread above you may have read how they initially couldnt answer my deep questions from the demonic quran.I then decieded to let them be, while i keep educating those who think we serve the same God and who think mohammed's religion is one of peace.
have you downloaded the offline website for mastering the language?
السلام يسوع يكون معك wink
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by Almuhandis: 11:31pm On Sep 16, 2010
grin Shukran for that website, I will be posting some of the cartoon in the other thread.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:35pm On Sep 16, 2010
Almuhandis:

my brother you are blessed cool do you see the frustration in the mannerism of the sinking jihadist? Now this is what I want you to do-IGNORE him just as I have done.let us stay focused on the reason for this thread(though you must keep praying for these lost souls in Jesus name).
nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-445327.640.html
In this thread above you may have read how they initially couldnt answer my deep questions from the demonic quran.I then decieded to let them be, while i keep educating those who think we serve the same God and who think mohammed's religion is one of peace.
have you downloaded the offline website for mastering the language?
السلام يسوع يكون معك wink

I must admit that I haven't downloaded the offline website though I intend to do so as soon as possible. I noticed that they couldn't answer your questions and I have a few that I need to ask him please permit me to ask these questions maybe your questions were too tough for him.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:43pm On Sep 16, 2010
abulbanaat:

Wait a minute, if you are indeed of God, you should be able to prove it that we are wrong as Muslims; why do you make Satan laugh at your folly for empowering him over yourself.

Please, be rational, and stop casting aspersions, tell me how Islam is a false religion; TELL ME OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

You will not be able to; even if you spend the whole life time trying to because Islam is from the Lord of the worlds.

'Whoever has been guided by Allaah is indeed guided; whomever he leaves to stray none can guide aright.'

I am happy Allaah has guided me to Islam; you may call it misguidance because you are deluded and misguided.

Let's see whether Allah or Mohammad has misguided you or not.

1.  How tall did Mohammad say Adam was?

2.  Did Mohammad really say that his Allah turned some Jews into rats and some other time into pigs and monkeys?

3.  Was it true that Mohammad was engaged to a 6 year old girl and then married her at the age of 9?

4.  Is Allah the moon god? and if not why do you have the crescent moon on your flags and mosques?  Does your just concluded Ramadan begin and end with the crescent moon?

Answers to this will prove to us whether your Islam is the way to go or not.
Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:49pm On Sep 16, 2010
Almuhandis:

grin Shukran for that website, I will be posting some of the cartoon in the other thread.

Here is another one that you can use.

That little bride shocked

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1054/1054_01.asp

Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by Almuhandis: 12:08am On Sep 17, 2010
grin yeah my brother! نعم! الرجاء طلب منه cool yes! please ask him.After which he should ruh min hunaa grin

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