@ Pastor Kun

@benodic
Thanx for the response

you are welcome

@ kebisky

How do someone become a member of eckankar.

very simple. go to the website www.eckankar.org, click on membership and go through the instructions you find there. through that website you can register online. you can also go to the nearest Eckankar centre that is close to your location and get more information.

I find it difficult to remember dream and experience, what do you think I should do.

the first step to remembering your dreams is doing spiritual exercises before you sleep.the basic spiritual exercise being the singing of the HU for at least 20 minutes before bedtime. then secondly start a dream book and record whatever you can remember when you wake up. continued practice will improve your dreams experiences and dream recollection.

What is the important of initiation and what will they consider before initiating someone.

initiation is simply a link-up with Holy Spirit. it opens you up in a gradual way to the inflow of the Holy Spirit and you are gradually turned into a lover of life and a pure channel to spread the love of God to all life.
you have to become a registered member and start studying the works of Eck before you can be eligible for initiation.

A Seed for Contemplation

You cannot measure spirituality by
the number of bad habits you have
or not. Nor by a certain number of
experiences. Awareness of the
moment and a joy for living can also
be an indication of where you are
spiritually.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

Please can the singing of HU be done silently. How can you tell if you are in the astral, casual, or any other plane when dreaming. Thanks

What do you have to say about this:

"Followers of New Age movements do not regard themselves as practitioners of the
occult, but they are. In this paper I will set out what I see as the worst lies told by
these movements, with particular reference, where appropriate, to the cult of
Eckankar.
After 33 years as a member of Eckankar, I learned from hard experience that none of
these movements are what they seem. Let me explain how they work."

[url=http://www.apwin.org/wp-content/uploads/books/WEB%20-%20New%20Age%20-%20Occultism%20-%20Illuminati/Eighteen%20New%20Age%20Lies%20and%20The%20Cult%20of%20Eckankar%20-%20by%20Robert%20Pye.pdf]Click Here for the eBook Source[/url]

i have a question.

this is it, where i work there is a machine intrusted to me because i make most use of it, inshort it is designed
for my position but every other co-workers can also use it not often. the machine got spoilt and i reported to the manager
who was reluctant to replace or fix it. it affected my work so i decided to fix it, after which someone used it and broke it again.
i did repair it again and another break down happened from another person. this time i spent my little fortune to fix it and removes
it after i use it, though i keeps another old one that is not fit enough but atleast they manages it though it does not serve
perfect.
so my question is, am i being selfish or am i applying a common wisdom?

i just joined Eck family and i have good number of questions

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@ kebisky

Please can the singing of HU be done silently.

Yes

How can you tell if you are in the astral, casual, or any other plane when dreaming. Thanks

there is a Worlds of Eck chart that shows the major characteristics of each plane. including the sound and the predominant light you will experience. for example the predominant light in the astral world is pink. but that does not mean you will not see other shades of light. and the predominant sound is that of the roar of the sea. you can also find further details in some Eck Books like "The Spiritual Notebook".

@ clemz85

i have a question.

this is it, where i work there is a machine intrusted to me because i make most use of it, inshort it is designed
for my position but every other co-workers can also use it not often. the machine got spoilt and i reported to the manager
who was reluctant to replace or fix it. it affected my work so i decided to fix it, after which someone used it and broke it again.
i did repair it again and another break down happened from another person. this time i spent my little fortune to fix it and removes
it after i use it, though i keeps another old one that is not fit enough but atleast they manages it though it does not serve
perfect.
so my question is, am i being selfish or am i applying a common wisdom?

i just joined Eck family and i have good number of questions

the most important thing you should realize is that every situation or problem is teaching you something about life mostly about the spiritual laws that guide life. once you learn the lesson, the situation goes away and you move on to the next lesson.

so in every situation learn how to go within and ask the Mahanta to show you the lesson you need to learn from the situation. that is what really matters. always remember that you are not a victim and people are not out to get you or punish you.

@ ledafaze

What do you have to say about this:

"Followers of New Age movements do not regard themselves as practitioners of the
occult, but they are. In this paper I will set out what I see as the worst lies told by
these movements, with particular reference, where appropriate, to the cult of
Eckankar.
After 33 years as a member of Eckankar, I learned from hard experience that none of
these movements are what they seem. Let me explain how they work."

i took my time and read the ebook and after going through i will say that i really thank God that i am an Eckist.

before i found Eckankar, i was a very serious born again christian and i fervently read the bible everyday and prayed for the Holy spirit to come into my life. my search for God was really intense and i studied many other religions and the occult searching for the truth.

what i found in Eckankar i have not seen any where else so far as transforming a person into an incandescent lover of life and a pure channel for the love of God is concerned. in Eckankar i experienced for the first time in my life the light and sound of God which is the Holy Spirit just like it was described in the Holy Bible,during the pentecost. that experience changed me forever.
now i do not need to think about it before i give love to the next person without any discrimination of tribe or religion. i have become love itself. i wake up each morning with the love song to God on my lips and a happiness in my heart that knows no bounds and i do not ask God to do things for me but rather i ask God what i can do for It today, how can i serve It today, how can i carry a little bit of its light to a very dark world. shown by deeds and not by words.

so my dear, every body is free to have their own opinions about Eckankar and call it all sorts of names. It really doesn't bother me because every body is on their own individual journey back to God. when you choose to start your own journey and have your own experiences and make your own judgement is entirely up to you.

A Seed for Contemplation

By asking, you have reached out and taken the initiative—a first step that will lead you to the next answer.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Many feel that a person who spends his time soul-searching is more holy than a merchant who hawks his goods at the market. A highly spiritual person is actually one who has found the comfort zone that exists somewhere between the two extremes.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

We are Soul. This life is an opportunity for Soul to get rich experiences in any way that It can—uplifting, constructive experiences, the kind where we find ways to serve all of life.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Thoughts are things, and it is
important to keep our thoughts of a
spiritual nature, to put attention on
living a life that is a clear step toward
growth.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Soul, a particle of God, is blessed with
the gift of creative imagination,
which finds a solution for every
problem.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

There is usually somewhat of a struggle when we move into a higher state of awareness, and that is natural. The problems in life can be dreaded with fear, or they can be seen as opportunities for growth—and a challenge.

You must make up your own mind as to what you want to do. Consider all parts of your life, the financial and emotional included, and do what seems to be common sense. Then plan and work carefully.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

ledafaze: What do you have to say about this:

"Followers of New Age movements do not regard themselves as practitioners of the
occult, but they are. In this paper I will set out what I see as the worst lies told by
these movements, with particular reference, where appropriate, to the cult of
Eckankar.
After 33 years as a member of Eckankar, I learned from hard experience that none of
these movements are what they seem. Let me explain how they work."

[url=http://www.apwin.org/wp-content/uploads/books/WEB%20-%20New%20Age%20-%20Occultism%20-%20Illuminati/Eighteen%20New%20Age%20Lies%20and%20The%20Cult%20of%20Eckankar%20-%20by%20Robert%20Pye.pdf]Click Here for the eBook Source[/url]

...my brother, l dont know what to say! but l wish to offer a little hand here perhaps you may find it a little step further. its a book called "the path of the masters" l downloaded it free by googling--keyword is 'path of the masters pdf'by Julian johnson. ...meanwhile here is an excerpt:


There has never been a religion founded, never a
good book written, never a good picture painted, never
a good poem composed, never a good invention developed,
except by going inside to some extent, and there
concentrating on the task in hand. Even if one is not
conscious of the exact thing he is to accomplish, he gets
results by concentration. That is the great thing in the
process—perfect concentration, becoming oblivious to
the outer world of sense, and centering attention upon
A REVIEW OF WORLD RELIGIONS 187
that which is to be found inside of man. This is the
way of attainment, no matter in what line of endeavor.
No matter what one is to achieve, this is the one and
only method leading to success. Concentrated attention
is the key that unlocks all stores of wisdom, of truth
and of spirituality.
But there is one difficulty in this process. It is
when the student comes face to face with his own mental
creations. It is then that he is almost helpless unless
he has the guiding direction of a living Master. It has
been the unfortunate experience of thousands of good
men and women who have entered to some degree into
the inner consciousness, that they got the impression
that God or some angel or relative was leading them.
They hear the "Voice of God," they say. Or they get
the impression that God himself is giving them some
command or instruction. But such vision or voices or
impressions are, as a rule, their own mental creations.
This process is plainly visible to any one who has independent
astral vision. But the individual himself
is rarely able to make the distinction because he has not
such independent vision. He fondly believes God is
speaking to him directly when he is actually hearing
nothing but the faint whisperings of his own mind,
coming up out of his sub-conscious self. He is deceived,
self-deceived. And so often he announces that he has
received a message from God or that God is leading him
to do certain things. Many people say that God has
ordered them to commit murder or do all sorts of atrocities.
It is their own disordered mind. I recall a man
and a woman who were my fellow-passengers on the
steamer crossing the seas to Hong Kong. They were
going to Tibet as missionaries. They were going to
188 THE PATH OF THE MASTERS
that almost inaccessible region, solely on the strength
of a personal "command from God." To the student
of psychological phenomena, it was quite apparent
that their "command from God" was nothing more
than the creation of their own minds, super-induced by
a long course of suggestion. So it has happened many
times in history. New cults are started, movements
inaugurated, sacrifices made and books written solely
on the strength of such "commands from God." These
individuals themselves are not to be blamed for their
mistakes. They are to be pitied. Most of them are
very sincere devotees of their several religions. The
trouble is that they have no safeguard; they have no
reliable guidance. They cannot see inside so as to
detect the fraud that is being perpetrated upon them by
their own minds. As soon as a person enters only a
little distance inside, he is always confronted and fairly
assaulted by multitudes of his own thought-forms.
Aided by the suggestions of others, they have nearly
all taken shape out of his own past training and the
ideas he has held for long periods of time. They spring
up out of his own long-cherished desires. In the end,
they mislead him into all sorts of by-paths. This
psychological process, we believe, is the real source of
most of that endless variety of experiences which people
call religious, and which accounts for the great variety
of religions. No one is safe from such misfortune until
he is directed by a living Master who himself is able to
watch, with clear vision, all internal experiences of both
himself and his disciples. Moreover, at the time of
Initiation, every student of a living Master is given ample
safeguards which make such unhappy experiences
quite impossible.
A REVIEW OF WORLD RELIGIONS 189
29. GUARDING ONE'S OWN MENTAL PROCESSES
Every student of the Masters is obliged to keep a
vigilant eye upon his own mental processes. When he
begins to enter the inner planes, even to the slightest
degree, he must beware of his own misleading mental
creations. In all of his waking consciousness he is to
remember that this mind is his worst enemy, as well as
his most useful instrument. But the main point is that
he must keep it under control every moment. The mind
is a useful servant, but a very bad master. It is only the
student of a real Master who is given every safeguard
against being deceived by his own mind. It is only the
follower of a real Master who can differentiate between
the true and the false, as he begins to enter those subtle
regions of the mind. He cannot dispense with the leadership
of the Master in such dangerous zones. Without the
Master, he is almost sure to go astray. The mind plays
a thousand tricks. It is most unreliable and it is habitually
beset by its own thought-creations, harassed by
its own desires, and dominated by its own passions. In
the light of all of these facts, is it any wonder that the
world is filled with conflicting notions on religions as
well as on other subjects? But as said above the method
of the Masters offers a perfect safeguard against such
disasters. That method indicates exactly what your
attention is to be concentrated upon, and where it is to
be centered. Also it gives you the most precise and
effective means of testing every experience inside, and
lastly, it takes you into the inner regions with eyes wide
open, with the. consciousness more intensely awake than
at any other time; and most important of all, the
190 THE PATH OF THE MASTERS
Radiant Form of the living Master is right there with
the student to instruct and guide him. Under such
conditions, the student cannot go wrong or make mistakes,
neither can he be imposed upon by his own mind
or that of any one else. On the inner Path, the student
must understand, he will be met and tempted by a
thousand and one different sorts of spirits and conditions.
He will be attracted in a hundred ways. Every emotion
will be played upon to mislead him. Only with
the Master is he perfectly safe.
may the blessings be!

some more:

In the realm of religion, the Master is a paradox.
He has no theology, teaches none, yet he is the most
religious man on earth. His system is not a religion, yet
it leads to the most complete religious experience, and
the most happy. He is absolutely universal in all his
teachings. He has no creed, yet he never antagonizes
any creed, sect or institution. He never condemns
any man or any system. He finds no fault with anybody
or anything, yet he draws the sharpest lines between
the good and the bad. To the Saint, there is
really nothing bad in the world, neither is there real
fault in any man. What we generally point out as
faults, the Master considers weaknesses, illness. For
them he has only pity, not blame#. He never criticises,
nor scolds, nor abuses, nor lectures, not even the vilest
of sinners. The Master teaches that the habit of criticising
others or fault-finding is one of the most serious
weaknesses. Besides, it advertises both the vanity and
the ill temper of the fault-finder.
The Master lives and teaches positive truth. He
overcomes evil with good. To correct faults in his
disciples, he simply points out the opposite virtues.
He teaches that to point out a fault is only to advertise
206 THE PATH OF THE MASTERS
and strengthen that fault. It never removes the fault.
It only accentuates it and at the same time awakens
other evil passions in both the fault-finder and his
victim. Nor does the Master ever hold ill-will, not
even against his enemies. He literally obeys the injunction
of Jesus to love one's enemies. For he loves
every one regardless of their character. Are not all
men sons of the common Father? He gives love to all
and seeks to serve all. He is always master of the
situation, no matter where he is placed. He is never
disturbed by the whirlwinds of passion surging about
him. Serenely he watches the mad show and seeks to
guide others in the ways of sanity

Finally

And yet all of these things are not conclusive
proofs. There is but one way to know beyond all
peradventure that a man is a Master. That is to see
him on some higher plane, where deception is impossible.
See him where spiritual qualities are manifest to alL
If you see the master there in his Radiant Form, you have
nothing more to worry about. You have found your
Master and you know it just as certainly as you know
that you exist. If you go to that higher plane, however,
and fail to meet your Master there, then you
must look further.
There is one more very encouraging truth that
must not be overlooked in this connection. If you are
seeking the Master, he is approaching you, and you
must meet him. It is only a question of getting ready for
226 THE PATH OF THE MASTERS
that great event. One of the oldest sayings of the
Eastern Wisdom is:
When the Chela is ready, the Guru appears!


these may not necessarily represent or stand for the eck teachings...therefore the author made a disclaimer for errors to be his and not his Master's. but one can find the book a good foundation to build on. The Eck-the Holy Spirit is the repository of all truths though...no one owns truth!

@ chieveboy

thanks a lot for your input. the fact still remains that these things are not things you just talk about. you have to experience it for yourself to understand it. that is why i really do not bother to convince anyone about the reality of these experiences. i can only open the door and invite them to take the step themselves. the rest is up to them to take it or reject it.

A Seed for Contemplation

The secret is that one cannot live without love. You’ve got to find the kind that agrees with your spiritual makeup. Once you have it, you find it a delicate thing that can slip away like water through the fingers.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Truth brings divine love. The reason
for war, theft, lies, and other natural
traits of humans is that no religion
can drive love into anyone’s heart.
When God’s love enters the heart,
only then can a change for the better
occur.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

When you become as little children,
you shall see the kingdom of heaven.
You will carry no ideas from the past
to hold you, none of the future to
frighten you, but just the present,
with the assurance that everything
you need to know is already at hand
—every answer, every solution.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

This is how we work with Divine Spirit. We try to look at life and find the laughter wherever we can, whenever we can, because laughter is the healer.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Spirit acts in a way that is for the
good of the whole, sometimes
bringing a healing of the emotions or
the mind instead of the body,
because that is in the best interests
of that particular Soul’s unfoldment.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed For Contemplation

Truth brings divine love. The reason for war,
theft, lies, and other natural traits of humans
is that no religion can drive love into
anyone’s heart.
When God’s love enters the heart, only then
can a change for the better occur.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

Most of our problems are self-made.
When things go wrong, if we take
responsibility and do something that
gives us greater understanding, life
becomes easier.
This is how it should be, rather than
having someone always giving us
spiritual, emotional, or physical
healings.
The idea is not to hide from life: It is
to live life, but without making the
same mistakes we did before.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed For Contemplation

Love God, and let others love God in their own way too. Set the example of what it means to be a lover of God.

Harold Klemp
Love- The Keystone of Life.

A Seed For Contemplation

We can speak of divine love, but it means nothing unless you've experienced it.

Harold Klemp
Love- The Keystone of Life.

A Seed for Contemplation

A Co-worker with God is someone
who has learned self-discipline in
spiritual things.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed for Contemplation

The tests that are easy for us are
difficult for others. This is the nature
of life. And it means that we, as
human beings, must learn patience
and compassion. The wheel always
turns.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul

A Seed For Contemplation

Everything happens for a purpose: to lift soul higher and give it more experience.

Harold Klemp
Love- The Keystone of Life.

A Seed for Contemplation

The Holy Spirit will give us all that we need. First we must learn to expect the best in life, and be willing to plan and work for it. Second, we need a clear mental picture of what we desire. Third, this picture is to be maintained constantly, with the certainty that Divine Spirit will supply any rightful desire. Fourth, there must be gratitude for every good thing received.

Harold Klemp
The Language of Soul