jason123:

How

“ But this week, Ribadu denied he ever handled any case against Mrs Jonathan. He said “I never handled any case against Mrs. Patience Jonathan. It was a case involving one lady who was reported by a bank, there was lodgment of about N70 million, and while we were investigating it we discovered that she did a contract in Bayelsa”

- Nuhu Ribadu

http://www.pointblanknews.com/News/os3905.html

Once again, I demand that you tender an immediate apology to Ribadu and his genuine fans for labelling him a liar.
You are out of your league here, I surely wouldn't want you as a campainer.

Beaf:

http://www.pointblanknews.com/News/os3905.html

Once again, I demand that you tender an immediate apology to Ribadu and his genuine fans for labelling him a liar.
You are out of your league here, I surely wouldn't want you as a campainer.

So because you did a research on an uncredible website, you think you can come here and spew rubbish about me and Ribadu? Ribadu is better than your incompetent guy over and over again. Its just a shame that Nigerians do not know what they want!!!
Btw, even if I was offered money to campaign for GJ, I would not because I love Nigeria and her people and I am not someone that loves the way Nigerians suffer.

Guys, pls let's return to issues. Beaf and Gbawe, let's focus on our candidates.

jason123:

So because you did a research on an uncredible website, you think you can come here and spew rubbish about me and Ribadu? Ribadu is better than your incompetent guy over and over again. Its just a shame that Nigerians do not know what they want!!!
Btw, even if I was offered money to campaign for GJ, I would not because I love Nigeria and her people and I am not someone that loves the way Nigerians suffer.

You've always been a joker anyway, google the words below and see what you come up with, its that easy:

“I never handled any case against Mrs. Patience Jonathan. It was a case involving one lady who was reported by a bank, there was lodgment of about N70 million, and while we were investigating it we discovered that she did a contract in Bayelsa”

- Nuhu Ribadu

Stop "campaigning," you are way out of your league here and actually harming Ribadu's cause by calling him a liar. In case you don't know, that is not the only occassion Ribadu debunked those strange lies and dirty smears on Jonathan by desperate folk practising yesterday dirty, Atiku style politics. Telling lies gets you nowhere.
Jonathan has ushered in an era of clean politics, lets embrace it.

[size=21pt]Fresh Air 2011![/size]

Once again, I demand an apology from you to Ribadu and his fans for calling him a liar.

Jarus:

Guys, pls let's return to issues. Beaf and Gbawe, let's focus on our candidates.

I have no problem with that but you should take note of how Beaf lacks nobility and uprightness . Below is proof , beyond doubt , that Beaf  is a sneaky and underhand chap .  He clearly insults Safari SA  and he then subsequently tries to goad you to sanction the guy while developing instant amnesia in regards to what he had written earlier !!! Unbelievable !!! I am happy to face the issues alone but you mods should watch every character and apply fairness in recognising sly instigators who will then feign innocence.

Are you from Atiku's village?
Dude, this agbero style politics of just plucking labels from thin air failed woefully.

Beaf:

You've always been a joker anyway, google the words below and see what you come up with, its that easy:

“I never handled any case against Mrs. Patience Jonathan. It was a case involving one lady who was reported by a bank, there was lodgment of about N70 million, and while we were investigating it we discovered that she did a contract in Bayelsa”

Stop "campaigning," you are way out of your league here and actually harming Ribadu's cause by calling him a liar. In case you don't know, that is not the only occassion Ribadu debunked those strange lies and dirty smears on Jonathan by desperate folk practising yesterday dirty, Atiku style politics. Telling lies gets you nowhere.
Jonathan has ushered in an era of clean politics, lets embrace it.

[size=21pt]Fresh Air 2011![/size]

Once again, I demand an apology from you to Ribadu and his fans for calling him a liar.

How can you google a WHOLE SENTENCE AND NOT EXPECT AN ANSWER? Man, you need to tell us what GJ has done for the past 1 year (his test-run) and I would tell you what Ribadu has  and will do! Chikena!!!

Jarus:

Guys, pls let's return to issues. Beaf and Gbawe, let's focus on our candidates.

When you get to know Beaf, you would understand why people react that way.

jason123:

How can you google a WHOLE SENTENCE AND NOT EXPECT AN ANSWER? Man, you need to tell us what GJ has done for the past 1 year (his test-run) and I would tell you what Ribadu has  and will do! Chikena!!!

Don't you know how to use google?
Google it with the quotation marks. That will ensure you get only results with the exact quotation (or simply use the advanced option). Please go and convince yourself, you might even get to read the whole below par interview it came from and burst into tears.

Once again, I demand an apology on behalf of Ribadu and his fans for labelling him a liar.

Quote from Kobojunkie

Why take a risk with a government and party that in the last  12  years has shown you, clear as day, that it does not have  your good at heart and will throw you the occassional bone to appease you so it can continue to enrich itself at your own  detriment?  Why sign over another 4  years of your life, your children's  future, to the same confirmed evil? Why pin it all on HOPE,  which has so far not panned out for you, when you can change things now for your own GOOD?  You point out that someone like Ribadu will need a relatively  stable political atmosphere to perform but you forget that the same applies to Jonathan in this. These two men apply have  some sort of dependence on their BABYSITTERS(corrupt/cabal)  in order to gain or stay in office and probably will have to  check with their BABYSITTER to decide what they can  accomplish and what they can't.   So far, after 8  months, Jonathan has yet to PERFORM. No sign  of any attempts by the current administration to fight  corruption at any level, you want to think of. Even the security situation in the country seems to have worsened in that  period. How do we interprete that?

My Sis you're very right; I agree with you. But we are dealing with the final candidates available for the elections in April. For me, GJ would be a more logical choice at the moment. Our children would still not forgive us if we vote in another fresh set of cabals that will hold us ransom for their own 12 years. We still have such people in the other parties; its's just that they've not entered aso rock.
What the country needs is a set of truly dedicated persons who will work selflessly for progress even without declaring any ambition for political posts. Not when election period approaches, one dude would just appear from nowhere hollaring: this sector, in shambles; that one, a shame; disgrace this disgrace that. Meanwhile, they were part of the whole problems at some point.
What we need is a change in attitude as a people in this country, not a change of political party.

@ Dav.e

Does my reply answer your questions?

Is there anyone inclined to deal with this post I made earlier?

Beaf:

Some really serious question marks hang over Buhari's suitabilty for office of any sort.

There was a raging saga over $2.8billion missing from NNPC's coffers when Shagari's govt came to power. Now, you would agree that $2.8billion is not a sum to be waved away by any measure.

That money was actually traced to his Midland bank fixed deposit account in London by a Senate committee headed by (Olusola saraki) during Shagari's time, that is the real reason Buhari disdainfully smashed that lawfully elected govt and siezed power. As soon as Decree 4 that made reporting any embarrassing news about a serious crime (even if it was the truth) and all hands that could implicate him were sacked or jailed (including Fela and Vera Ifudu - for airing the news on NTA), Buhari stunned the nation by publicly announcing that he was ready to resign. Job done, tracks covered, documents shredded!
Buhari's shock announcement, after just a couple of months in power shook the nation and saw Idiagbon rise and take his place; Buhari became a figurehead with a junior ranking officer in Idiagbon manning all executive powers of state; that is the reason IBB had to wait for Idiagbon to leave the country before striking, Buhari was well and truly in Nigeria and powerless as any figurehead when the IBB palace coup took place.

ALL Buhari's claimed achievement are entirely due to Idiagbon ALONE.

Now, add the above to the mans religious radicalisation after leaving power and you get the picture of an exceedingly dangerous man a bit on the crazed side. In 2001, Buhari declared that sharia should be installed across the whole of Nigeria.
Who wants a wild-eyed president that would neglect the non-Muslim population and spend his time issuing sharia fatuahs? He would even alienate the vast majority of Nigerian Muslims who are moderate.
Anyone that wishes to be president of Nigeria must be religiously moderate and tolerant.

Decree 4 was designed to shield Buhari and his minions from being accountable to the Nigerian people. The intent of the decree was clear -- to silence opinion, speculation and even the truth.

http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/carticles/confessions_of_a_prosecutor.htm

Every point above is easily verifiable, from court cases to Senate documents and NTA recordings. I expect any reply to be coldly logical and devoid of sentiment.

Or this one?

Beaf: Interesting debate! The all conquering (albeit mistaken) corruption killer, Ribadu cannot fight corruption in high places!
What then are his credentials for the presidency? His experience is Nil and like Atiku, he will not even carry his own local government in an election. What are the credentials being preached? How can a man who is unknown in is home state be pushed at Nigerians? There's something fundamentally wrong there.

Ribadu, no doubt is a relatively good man as far as the Nigerian political scene is concerned, but his archilles hill is that he has zero experience of life outside a uniform.
He would do well to gain some experience in the diplomacy, patience and wisdom that are required to socialise and sell ideas in a civilian setting.

The man is so unprepared it is shocking anyone would devote a second to his already marooned dreams. Some might consider that statement harsh, but picture the following:

[list]
[li]By some miracle of tectonic proportions, Ribadu wins the election[/li]
[li]The House of Reps is 90% PDP[/li]
[li]The Senate is 90% PDP[/li]
[li]26 governors are PDP[/li]
[li]Ribadu storms in and begins ordering everyone about. . . 2 and a half weeks later, Ribadu is impeached[/li]
[li]Or, Ribadu smells the coffee, and since he cannot investigate corruption in high places, he simply joins in and pops champagne[/li]
[/list]

Reality check. . .

Pointblanknews.com learnt that at his briefing with select media chiefs in Abuja on Thursday, Ribadu said he would not bother himself with the integrity of politicians who elect to sponsor his campaign.

When asked at the Wuse , Abuja briefing to justify his alliance with Tinubu who has been accused by his EFCC of laundering about N20 Billion of state's cash, Ribadu said “ I won't bother myself with the integrity of politicians that will sponsor my campaign as long as they won't keep their stolen money in my pocket”

http://www.modernghana.com/news/296644/1/2011-i-wont-bother-myself-with-the-integrity-of-po.html

Nigeria needs a cool, wise head like Jonathans, not boxer and wrestler types who have not given due consideration to the responsibilities they so casually propose to bear.

Jonathans quiet way is what the anti-corruption battle requires, the recent PDP primaries is an example. Compared to all other parties, it was a showpiece of excellence. We all counted the votes out of the transparent ballot boxes together. Way to go!

[size=21pt]Fresh Air 2011![/size]

Dav.e:

Quote from Kobojunkie
My Sis you're very right; I agree with you. But we are dealing with the final candidates available for the elections in April. For me, GJ would be a more logical choice at the moment. Our children would still not forgive us if we vote in another fresh set of cabals that will hold us ransom for their own 12 years. We still have such people in the other parties; its's just that they've not entered aso rock.

What I still don't understand is how you can in one breath state that there are huge problems with the Goodluck Jonathan selection, but in the same also claim Goodluck Jonathan is the logical choice. How does one even do that? How do you get that to make sense to you? I want to know.

Why in the world would you, knowing you are likely bringing more pain on your kids by voting the status quo continue, then turn around to say voting the status quo makes sense? Are you suggesting that it is OK then for the current cabal to get your mandate to continue because you want to SPITE the next possible cabal? Do you realize who looses out in this?

Dav.e:

What the country needs is a set of truly dedicated persons who will work selflessly for progress even without declaring any ambition for political posts. Not when election period approaches, one dude would just appear from nowhere hollaring: this sector, in shambles; that one, a shame; disgrace this disgrace that. Meanwhile, they were part of the whole problems at some point.
What we need is a change in attitude as a people in this country, not a change of political party.

Are you really in any position to tell us what the country needs or should have when you

a)have readily admitted that what the country has now is not what the country needs

b)have admitted you would rather cut off your own children's chances at  a better future now by voting for Status quo to continue out of SPITE for the new batch of leaders who may or may not turn out better than the current

Eziachi asks:

Quote from: Eziach[/b]i

To the three candidates and their representatives: What is your takes on this three issues?
1. Land Use Decree or Act
2. Ayo Irikife-Boundary Adjustement Act
3. Revenue Formula

Beaf’s response
[b]Quote from: Beaf

I have posted arguments for the gradual move of the ship of state toward true federalism. In every federal system, the rights of communities and individuals are sacred; they are upheld and resolutely defended.

ndu_chucks asked again

ndu_chucks:

The above does not do enough justice to Eziachi’s inquiry above, nor does your position on federalism address the inquiry. Your generic position is the same as that of your opponent, Ribadu or even Buhari.

I do not know of any nation that practices federalism in Europe where you reside, or the USA, where individual rights to property and land is a sacred right. Each government by nature reserves the right to seize property in the name of national security or to protect the interest of the nation, the environment, and any other national interest. I do not believe that your man, GEJ believes that this property right is sacred.

Granted you mentioned that these are your personal views, note that this thread is meant to be used as an avenue to inform us of your man’s views, philosophy, and other points. 

Now if you or your man, have any specific problem with any of the provisions of the 2 Acts mentioned by Eziachi, lets hear it.

Gbawe’s comments are also welcome here. What are Ribadu’s views on these important questions? 

Beaf, Gbawe and[b] Buhari supporter[/b], can you please address the issues raised by Eziachi and ndu_chucks?

I will add the issue of centralization of security and judicial administration(State police, State laws) to this. Please, present and articulate their position with necessary verifiable evidences by showing us what your candidates thoughts, opinions, and positions are on these important issues?

If you want to do a general presentation of their position in a way that will  encapsulate all these, by all means, you can do so by presenting their position on True federalism, the devolution of police powers to the states, LG or regions, land use act and other federalism themed issues.

I want concise presentations with links, verifiable evidences(speeches, experience, manifesto) or anything that can show their position and thoughts on these very important issues.

Thank you guys.

^
I have addressed it, even though it was surface stuff. There was no response to what I said and all other campaigners simply ignored the question. I would like to hear Buhari's views on true federalism especially, and how it gels with his sharia outlook.

In Buhari's opinion, what does true federalism mean and since his wish is to see sharia instituted across Nigeria, how does he feel religion fits into true federalism and secularity


My reply to Eziachi and ndu_chucks is here; https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-585949.32.html#msg7535885
However, I actually introduced true federalism, equity and justice to the thread in a couple of posts before my reply to Ezeachi. Sadly, other campaigners (especially Buhari folk), have neatly side-stepped the topic.

^^ Yes you've mentioned it before, they were mostly your thoughts though, I want evidences of GEJ's thoughts on these issues.

Also, You are right, others are yet to articulate their candidate's opinion, thoughts, activities and efforts on these issues.

Can you please try again for the benefit of this "sticky" thread?

As far as i'm concerned it will be "eggs on their faces" if other candidates don't respond. Thousands of Nigerians are ghosting on Nairaland and on this thread. this is 2011, I'm pretty sure some real-life Ribadu and Buhari staffers are reading this too.

Edited: I read your thoughts earlier, I've also read you express those several times. I want GEJ's thoughts and position. If you can't do more than presenting your own personal thoughts, I will surely understand. I just want NL's and Nigerians to be clear on that.

^
Guy! You de krase o!!!!!!!!!

Kilode?!:

^^ Yes you've mentioned it before, they were mostly your thoughts though, I want evidences of GEJ's thoughts on these issues.

Also, You are right, others are yet to articulate their candidate's opinion, thoughts, activities and efforts on these issues.

Can you please try again for the benefit of this "sticky" thread?

As far as i'm concerned it will be "eggs on their faces" if other candidates don't respond. Thousands of Nigerians are ghosting on Nairaland and on this thread. this is 2011, I'm pretty sure some real-life Ribadu and Buhari staffers are reading this too.

You need to look to the words of Oronto Douglas, Jonathans strategist. He is an intellectual force of a quality and power that can hardly be matched country wide.
I doubt you will find much from the President in this turbulent period, because some who think they are vulnerable unfortunately do not grasp (or are biased) the meaning of true federalism and misconstrue it to be an ethnically driven agende for self determination. Everyone needs to be carried along and none left behind.

In the East, Igbo's have demanded true federalism from GEJ; in the West, the Yoruba have demanded same from GEJ; in October, Middle Belt youth demanded true federalism from GEJ. The calls are bubbling up gradually and will hit natural a crescendo that cannot be ignored in the very near future. Right now, anyone in GEJ's shoes would be cautious because he means well; the long and short is that the core North must be carried along as a core part of the family should such plans reach execution point.

Its my opinion that we will not hear Jonathans direct words until the dust has completly settled on the current turbulence sweeping the nation. Listen to Oronto Douglas, project his ideas on a national scale (if accessing pre-GEJ material) and get a pretty decent preview (reminder, my opinion).

Oronto Douglas listed among world’s most influential thinkers; http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/National/5631799-147/oronto_douglas_listed_among_worlds_most.csp

Kilode?!:

Eziachi asks:

Quote from: Eziach[/b]i


Beaf’s response
[b]Quote from: Beaf

ndu_chucks asked again
Beaf, Gbawe and[b] Buhari supporter[/b], can you please address the issues raised by Eziachi and ndu_chucks?

I will add the issue of centralization of security and judicial administration(State police, State laws) to this. Please, present and articulate their position with necessary verifiable evidences by showing us what your candidates thoughts, opinions, and positions are on these important issues?

If you want to do a general presentation of their position in a way that will  encapsulate all these, by all means, you can do so by presenting their position on True federalism, the devolution of police powers to the states, LG or regions, land use act and other federalism themed issues.

I want concise presentations with links, verifiable evidences(speeches, experience, manifesto) or anything that can show their position and thoughts on these very important issues.

Thank you guys.

Buhari and Ribadu have no thoughts on these issues cos their core support group would fall away from them if they articulated any thoughts on these issues.

Essentially other than on NL everyone knows that they (Buhari and Ribadu) are regional aspirants. It amazes me that they have been elevated to national status here. If NL were to be an honest place, what makes the ACN candidate more viable than the APGA candidate?

@Gbawe: You sound like Einstein chiding a conductor in Isale for breaking a Coca-Cola bottle and trying to stab you with it 'cause he lost an argument to you! Clearly, you're a classy guy; it shows in your posts. Nothing Beaf does should surprise you: it is who he is! Just keep up with the good points; you're really making serious dents in Mrs.Beaf Jonathan's arguments. . . Oh, and thanks for exposing his "spoilt brat" attitude: goad you, insult you, then reports you. Sorta like the game plan of the current President of Nigeria!

INTERNET PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?

[size=30pt]I DEY LAUGH O![/size]

Beaf:


You need to look to the words of Oronto Douglas, Jonathans strategist. He is an intellectual force of a quality and power that can hardly be matched country wide.
I doubt you will find much from the President in this turbulent period, because some who think they are vulnerable unfortunately do not grasp (or are biased) the meaning of true federalism and misconstrue it to be an ethnically driven agende for self determination. Everyone needs to be carried along and none left behind.

In the East, Igbo's have demanded true federalism from GEJ; in the West, the Yoruba have demanded same from GEJ; in October, Middle Belt youth demanded true federalism from GEJ. The calls are bubbling up gradually and will hit natural a crescendo that cannot be ignored in the very near future. Right now, anyone in GEJ's shoes would be cautious because he means well; the long and short is that the core North must be carried along as a core part of the family should such plans reach execution point.

Its my opinion that we will not hear Jonathans direct words until the dust has completly settled on the current turbulence sweeping the nation. Listen to Oronto Douglas, project his ideas on a national scale (if accessing pre-GEJ material) and get a pretty decent preview (reminder, my opinion).

Oronto Douglas listed among world’s most influential thinkers; http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/National/5631799-147/oronto_douglas_listed_among_worlds_most.csp

I know Oronto Douglas, not personally, I mean through his work and rhetoric. I agree with some of your points about him, although you are too generous in your assessment, Beaf, are you Oronto? abi na your personal person?

Seriously, Oronto is not GEJ. But I will take a somewhat favorable view of GEJ if Oronto truly has a substantial amount of influence over him and his policy drive, especially as it concerns True Federalism, Resource control and Democracy. The jury is still out though.

[ "shine your eye" rant at Beaf personally]

Beaf, How can Oronto influence policy with OBJ and his friends holding strong inside PDP? I believe you have a good Idea of Nigeria's recent political history, especially since the early 90's, the June 12 crisis, the Abacha years, the resource control struggle, the Kaiama declaration. Is he dreaming? Is GEJ delusional? are we crazy? I ask;

How on earth do you expect discerning Nigerians to be satisfied with an arrangement where OBJ still wield considerable power? The same OBJ that once violently snatched the microphone from Oronto's hands at a public forum in PH, because Oronto was arguing with him about resource control and Niger Delta issues, OBJ reportedly snatched the microphone and said; "You don't know anything about injustice" he also reportedly said;

"You(Niger Delta people) cannot produce anything because you are lazy. It is your laziness that is making you to make all these demands"

I'm confused here, I don't understand how OBJ + Oronto can co habit together in the same PDP, I don't understand how Oronto can push an agenda through with people like OBJ wielding considerable influence over GEJ in the same party. -end of rant-


Hopefully the struggle for true Federalism will not end at just additional resource control. I hope GEJ abi na Oronto understands that adding a few more percentages to 13% is not victory. Our people, all of our peoples, from North to South need total freedom from cenratalized control in every area, from Police to Education to State laws.

We'll wait for more thoughts on these issues from Ribadu and Buhari supporters.

Edit: folks can listen to Oronto Douglas below, or google him, If Beaf, GEJ's man on NL belives Oronto is the brain behind GEJ's ideas. I think it is necessary voters listen to him.

[Audio] --> https://csis.org/multimedia/nigeria-priorities-year-ahead [about 1hr-30mins but worth it], I recommend the Audio.

[flash=500,400]http://blip.tv/play/hYpBgdSlLwI[/flash]

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Interesting story!

[size=14pt]Oronto's full job title is, Senior Special Assistant on Research, Documentation and Strategy to the President[/size].
Obj weilds a lot of power, but it isn't what people think. The current Obj aura was created by the zoning people to cast GEJ in a negative hue to suit their objective.
If you look to SW PDP politics (esp. Obj's state), you will gain some sort of picture.

. . .And, I no be Oronto, am just an ordinary NLer. Thanks for the flattery!

^^ LOL ok I hear you. I don do my own, for now I dey go sleep, we'll continue later. I'll let other time zones continue the discussion

^
That was a nice video you added. Thanks dude and sleep tight.

^ I unwittingly did your work for you shey? I must go look for a Ribadu video when I wake up. I still sympathize with ACN

frosbel:

I have done a [img]http://2.bp..com/_9pOceLlcy4E/TD534yFKckI/AAAAAAAAAvk/lpTGSaAYr1Q/s400/uturn.png[/img]


I have done some more research about Buharis Sharia stance.

Appears that we have all been misled.

I think if he wins it might not be so bad for the country

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-586305.64.html

Frosbel, FYI, is always anti-Islam

For him to have posted this shows he came upon strong evidence

Kilode?!:

^ I unwittingly did your work for you shey? I must go look for a Ribadu video when I wake up. I still sympathize with ACN

I know! Thanks a lot anyway!

@topic

“Jonathan is not comparable to the other candidates like Ribadu or Buhari. It is like the difference between a people coming into a fight with an elephant and the other party coming with a tortoise.

“Ribadu should have gone to the House of Representatives or the Senate. He is not a material for a Vice-President. I won’t even make him a governor.”

-ELDER statesman and former Attorney General of the Federation, Chief Richard Osuolale Akinjide (SAN)

http://www.compassnewspaper.com/NG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73331:ribadu-not-even-fit-for-governor-says-akinjide&catid=43:news&Itemid=799

. . .Damaging. Very damaging!

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5565603-146/patience_we_are_watching.csp

Nigerians will remember how in August 2006, the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) agents seized N104 million from one Nancy Ebere Nwosu, said to be an associate of Mrs. Jonathan. [/b]On 22 August, 2006, Justice Anwuli Chikere, of the Federal High Court, gave the commission legal backing to retain the money pending the conclusion of investigation.

[b]On 11 September of the same year, a whopping $13.5 million was seized from Patience Jonathan herself by the agency. The investigation into these two cases are still outstanding as at this moment. Furthermore, the Council on Foreign Relations, in a report on the April 2007 elections in Bayelsa State, said that Patience Jonathan was regarded as the “greediest person in Bayelsa State.”

Note that Patience is not an ordinary housewife. She carries a lot of weight with Johnathan

^
Lies don't get you anywhere, ask Atiku! He has been seriously punched out, lies and all!

“ But this week, Ribadu denied he ever handled any case against Mrs Jonathan. He said “I never handled any case against Mrs. Patience Jonathan. It was a case involving one lady who was reported by a bank, there was lodgment of about N70 million, and while we were investigating it we discovered that she did a contract in Bayelsa”

- Nuhu Ribadu

http://www.pointblanknews.com/News/os3905.html

Beaf:

^
Lies don't get you anywhere, ask Atiku! He has been seriously punched out, lies and all!

http://www.pointblanknews.com/News/os3905.html

So pointblanknews is more credible than NEXT?

Who is the publisher of pointblanknews?
We know that NEXT is published by Dele Olojede - the first (and so far) Nigerian to win a Pulitzer prize

BTW - did you read the story?

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5565603-146/patience_we_are_watching.csp

Nigerians will remember how in August 2006, the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) agents seized N104 million from one Nancy Ebere Nwosu, said to be an associate of Mrs. Jonathan. On 22 August, 2006, Justice Anwuli Chikere, of the Federal High Cour[/b]t, gave the commission legal backing to retain the money pending the conclusion of investigation.

On [b]11 September of the same year, a whopping $13.5 million [/b]was seized from Patience Jonathan herself by the agency. The investigation into these two cases are still outstanding as at this moment. Furthermore, the[b] Council on Foreign Relations, in a report on the April 2007 elections in Bayelsa State, said that Patience Jonathan was regarded as the “greediest person in Bayelsa State.”

All the possible questions are answered

What
Where
When
Who
How

Are we just to ignore official public records and proceedings because of what Ribadu says?

Kobojunkie: What is the logic behind this inferred "Child of Destiny" conclusion? Get it right, not all Nigerians are Hero-whores. I don't ascribe his rise to luck in anyway. What I see is a man who road the same corrupt vehicle many hundreds did to power. Nothing to do with luck or stars.

Marvix: Kobo here we both agree, I am definitely not one of the hero whores, i dont ascribe his rise to luck, but to his ability to identify an opportunity and use the opportunity properly without causing chaos for the nation. I make bold to say that an Atiku or Ribadu would have bungled that opportunity.
Kobo I know you enjoy playing the Devils advocate and if I am wrong point to your candidate and let us discuss, but being a devils advocate does not in anyway imply that I am trying to insult you, so please no offence should be taken, but todays topic is on who we will support and why we would support, GEJ is not a saint, so is Ribadu and Buhari, they are no saints they all have their good sides and bad sides, whether you like it or not the only vehicle to power is a corrupt vehicle, and anyone who wants to get to power should and must ride the corrupt vehicle otherwise it would not be a democratic power and at that he only has invented another corrupt vehicle to power.

Kobojunkie:  What?  Are we then to praise the Yar adua administration for accomplishing almost nothing quickly in 3 years? And given that Jonathan was also a part of also a part of that administration, are you suggesting we should expect the same NOTHING ACHIEVED quickly approach to tackling even corruption in Nigeria? Yes, the man has shown us, in the past 7 months since he took office, that we are likely to get nothing quickly, are are you confirming our perception?

Marvix: Why should I not praise Yaradua administration, even you agreed that it was the amnesty that allowed Jonathan to be able to provide fuel freely for the nation. Let us not scorn our leaders, especially misinforming people who are not here at home, I said I travelled portharcort to Lagos by road during the last xmas, all the roads that hitherto seemed forgotten were all been worked on, I didnot experience any holdup on the express as I used to before, In 2009 folks coming to Benin from Lagos spent a whole 24hrs on the road, Lagos to Benin is less than half the distance Lagos to Portharcourt, I travelled by road 10hrs to get to Lagos, all the failed sections had been repaired, while reconstruction of the road was been done. You guys should not always sound sarcastic to score cheap points you will only end up deluding yourself, no matter what we say here Nigeria is surely on a course, it could be to a good and favourable destination it could be to hell, but what am i if I lose the chance to be hopeful for a better day, I hope for the best and plan for the worst.
You said nothing achieved in the last 3 years what about the peace in the creeks of the Nigerdelta, what about the availability of petroleum products, the cleansing of the banking sector, what about the revival of the textile industry, what do you really know about the roads been constructed across the nation, what about the obedience of this govt to court judgements without prodding, what do you know about the PIB the govt is pursuing, what do you know about the roadmap to solving the power situation in the country, damn how can anyone want to convince people that the govt is not working, govt workers get paid regularly by the end of the month latest. I know Nigeria is not where I want it to be, but I also realise that a journey of a million miles begins with a step and my step today is to vote GEJ for President.

[b]Kobojunkie:[/b]He is the change we want because politics is not about righty or wrong but about right and wrong? Care to expound on that bit?

Marvix[/b]Politics is about right and wrong not just right or wrong, something could be right but would not serve the interest of the majority of Nigerians and something could be wrong and serve the interest of the majority, the president must know how to strike a balance, sometimes some peeps would be allowed to have their way just in the interest of peace for the nation and sometimes we must crush some peeps just to preserve our national integrity. The president must consider the rights and wrongs not either the right or wrong.

Kobojunkie:You say he will readily sacrifice his ambitions, but according to his record he has yet to sacrifice anything so far. He openly bedded the corrupt elite in the nation  -- he has been directly linked to some of the big thieves we have in the land to date. [b]He refused to sacrifice his presidential ambition in honor of an agreement he signed on to when he joined the party -- he took full advantage of the gains to get himself to where he is today, now you are talking of him sacrificing what now? What are we to assume that such a man would be willing to sacrifice?

Marvix: I cant believe you did not get it there he was ready to sacrifice his party to provide qualitative leadership to a country he so believes in. He engaged his party men to democratic challenges where they dont have to blindly rely on agreements to take power, If he had agreed to the agreement wouldnt it have narowed the political space, he took them head on and the results at the primaries showed that he conquered, was he the only one who signed the agreement that is still alive today, people who signed the agreement all came out and re agreed with him, do you think this is a mean feat? just to clear the air the zoning agreement never specified 8yr term for any region, even Yaradua if he had been alive would have needed to campaign to ensure he gets a second term and party members still have the power to ask him to leave after 4 years if they felt he had not performed. I believe that by 2015, GEJ would be willing to sacrifice his party to a free and fair election where an opposition party would benefit.

Kobojunkie: What about the fact that the fuel queues actually started disappearing back in 2009, when the Yar adua amnesty program started to take hold, and also the oil sector started recording increases per quarter in production levels? Are we to assume that Jonathan made this happen, before he came to power in march of 2010?

Marvix: At least he was VP in 2009 when this was been achieved and he was able to build on it or are we saying that he couldnt have failed to build on this foundation and cause us more suffering in the process, he is part of the success and atleast you have contradicted yourself that Yaradua did nothing in 3 years!!!

Kobojunkie:[/b]Is this really the first time Nigerians have looked forward to a free and fair election in all of our history?
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Marvix: I should say in recent times this is the first time. In 1993, Nigerians didnot believe that Babangida would conduct elections, not to even talk of a free and fair one, 1999 there was apathy the fighters of democracy didnot believe Abdulsalami would hand over, most of them stayed away from the 1999 elections but in 2003 we saw everyone preparing for the massive rigging but in 2007 Obj took it to the next level even before the contest Buhari knew that it would not be a fair contest but today Jonathan is not preaching Do-or Die, he is preaching issue based campaigns and he is the lead voice insisting that all votes must count.

Kobojunkie: What magic wand solutions do you refer to here? Is 7 months too short a period to even OBSERVE or even get a hint of the PROMISED Change?


Marvix: you are in far away america, so let me hint you of observed changes taking place already, there is no more shootings on the street of portharcourt as it used to be before, the roads are receiving attention and no single road project has been suspended because the president is contestin elections, in my area a town called Onne power supply to my house has improved, I slept with my bulb on last nite and woke up to meet it on, I dont have to queue anymore at a fuel station to buy fuel or kerosene, foreigners actually move around portharcourt relatively freer than it was before, call rates in my country keeps falling low since this administration introduced Etisalat with some incentives, My friends in the civil service dont ask me for soft loans anymore as their salary gets to them when it is due. If you want to see hints come home or call your folks and find out.

Kobojunkie:How can a vote for Goodluck Jonathan is a vote for special breath of fresh air when a vote for him essentially is a vote for Obasanjo, A vote for IBB since IBB is and remains a part of the PDP engine, A Vote for the same old batch of thieves and ex-convicts to continue to laugh in the face of the Nigerian people?  


Marvix: what would you have me do kobo

Beaf:

I know! Thanks a lot anyway!

@topic

http://www.compassnewspaper.com/NG/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73331:ribadu-not-even-fit-for-governor-says-akinjide&catid=43:news&Itemid=799

. . .Damaging. Very damaging!

Akinjide was Attorney General under Shagari
He was the architect of 12 2/3rd debacle
Akinjide is in Alao Akala's camp (and that also implies Johnathan camp)

http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/42556/1/Akinjide-faults-Ladoja-on-fresh-crisis-in-Oyo-PDP-/Page1.html
He (Akinjide) also urged Ibadan people to shelve the idea of producing the next governor, saying Akala deserves a second-term because of his performance in the last three years.

Oh, Akinjide admired Adedibu  so much that he said he could award the thug a PhD if he (Akinjide) had the powers

Mind where your endorsement is coming from