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Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by violent(m): 1:13am On Jan 17, 2011 |
Goodluck Jonathan's Presidency has proven to be a total sham!. . .his PDPerian style of leadership is not much different from the previous administration's approach mostly highlighted with unquenchable thirst for power and a personal interest in the national purse. His character has also been badly affected to the extent where reasonable and smart Nigerians will rather believe the earth is flat than believe the first three statements that proceeds from his mouth. The moments that led up to election has proven beyond measures that the dude even though experienced in political affairs lacks the basic elements of quality leadership and agility. We all have read news about how the President once blamed an unfortunate bomb blast on "Northern elements", a claim which till date lacks credibility. . . .more news of how Mr Jonathan spent the National resources recklessly importing dustbins, celebrating anniversaries, bribing delegates, bribing individuals and groups, all directed towards a selfish political end, . . to add to the fury, this same character has refused to deliver on his promise of fighting corruption, rather, the Haliburton probe report was thrown to the bins, and murder suspects set free, solely to add to his winning numbers at the PDP primaries. These and more portrays the incumbent as a man without clear directions and one afraid to step on toes even if it meant for the good of man and country. How anyone will wish for this man to remain in power for another four years is beyond me, simply because he promised infrastructures and federalism. . .Hell, even the late Yaradua promised a 7 point agenda! |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Genius100: 1:16am On Jan 17, 2011 |
jay_getta: I assume this question was meant for me. As an example, we all know the senators and house members make an insane amount of money. Well, if Ribadu becomes president, that is not one of the battles he wants to fight immediately. If he does, virtually 100% of these people will be against him and he will not get anything done in his administration. He needs to be VERY STRATEGIC in all he does. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Beaf: 1:17am On Jan 17, 2011 |
violent: Another attempt at Atiku style failed politics. I challenge you to provide a single link to a quote by GEJ saying the bolded, please remember to apologise after you fail. The rest of your post is of similar loose quality. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by debosky(m): 1:18am On Jan 17, 2011 |
Hehehe. . . .Beaf knows how to invent terms sha! Which one be 'Atiku style politics' again? |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Beaf: 1:21am On Jan 17, 2011 |
debosky: Its actually 'Atiku style failed politics.' It is the politics of anything goes ugliness, lies, bigotry, threats of violence, aspersions etc. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by violent(m): 1:21am On Jan 17, 2011 |
Interesting debate! The all conquering (albeit mistaken) corruption killer, Ribadu cannot fight corruption in high places! Ribadu has no political experience, question is so what? Peharps it is high time we stopped attempting to solve a problem with the same thought process that caused it. We had in the past leaders with political experience whose success can only be measured by their loot size and the number of high profile political assassinations that took place under their belt. It's totally absurd that some Nigerians will rather their President have portfolio of political experience than character or integrity. . . where the hell has our senses vanished to?. . .we keep asking for change and yet we keep asking that those who contributed to being a part of the problem come back into power, are we thinking at all? |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Beaf: 1:25am On Jan 17, 2011 |
^ Ok, no vex, lets assume Ribadu is very experienced. Please tackle the points raised sir, it shouldn't be too difficult. . . .And don't neglect the challenge I threw earlier for you to provide links. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by jason123: 1:27am On Jan 17, 2011 |
To The Citizens of our Great Nation, First of all, I want to commend you on the years you endured, the years you have suffered, the years you have gone without constant electricity and water, the years you have watched your brothers and sisters die just because they cannot buy a medication or be offered free health services. But there is hope, we have a seen the way the older generations have violated this country,we have all seen the way the PDP cabal has almost divided the country just because of zoning. Then, why would you vote such a party? Why do you still want to suffer? Is it not your generation that is meant to be ruling our country? Is it not your fresh minds that are meant to dictate the direction of this country? My people, there maybe no other chance. Why are you SCARED to vote PDP out? Please, cast your vote without sentiment (eg GJ is from a minority etc. It's all part of the political propaganda). Please vote for who is right. Please, let your conscience guide you. Our future generations would not forgive us if we make a mistake now by voting GJ. Ribadu has my vote but yours can be different as long as you do the right thing. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by jaygetta1: 1:33am On Jan 17, 2011 |
@Gbawe: You exude class and character. In as much as I like the way you've presented your arguments (wish I could say the same for GEJ supporters) I still do not believe Ribadu is electable. I think he is still a minor in the scheme of things when the talk is about Nigerian politics. But, then again, who am I deceiving like I know how politics work in Nigeria? Its not the U.S, Politics is always "ethnic", and the North will no doubt rally behind its own in order to oust GEJ. Personally, I feel the North is fielding too many candidates(split votes); for a masterstroke (hey, Nigerian Politics is all about playing dirty, anyways) some kind of confusion could be created within/outside PDP by fielding an Igbo man (sponsored by Atiku & co, maybe), whom it is known has absolutely no chance of winning (but is popular enough in Igbo land to reduce the amount of votes GEJ will get in the SE). Looking for a way to split whatever votes GEJ will get in the SEb should be paramount, because God help us if that man, his thieving wife, and his Kleptomaniac friends are allowed to rule us again for another 4yrs! |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by fstranger1: 1:54am On Jan 17, 2011 |
jay_getta: People said the same thingy about Obama Have you forgotten the whole 'fairy tale' comment by Bill 'gigolo' Clinton? Anyway:
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Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Kobojunkie: 2:10am On Jan 17, 2011 |
violent: Apparently it is a big deal since some have stated it as reason why he needs to surround himself with his own "political gang" so he can win the next election. And again, when it comes to character and integrity, I ask where you all get that from Ribadu when we all know he selectively went after those that Obasanjo allowed. I mean Why not give credit to Obasanjo in this as well? While you are at it, also remember Waziri who herself seems to be doing just about the same. violent: I don't believe it is absurd though to want a president with a proven record along with measurable integrity, even if not absolute. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by ixxlaw: 8:23am On Jan 17, 2011 |
@Gbawe, I would start by asking you a question; Did corruption exist in OBJs' government? My reply to that would be that corruption was a dominant factor in that government. Ribadu it was who was saddled with the responsibility of scraping corruption under OBJ. what then happened. The head of corruption; OBJ himself who appointed Ribadu was never brought to book. All the inquiries by the national assembly on power and other related malpractices had fingers being pointed at OBJ. What did ribadu actually do to tame corruption in the country. This issue of Ribadu being a saint is actually being over flogged. What were his anticidents before he became the EFCC boss, what was his background, a police officer, arguably one of the most corrupt agencies in the country. Ribadu has not been tested, certainly not with the EFCC appointment. We do not know this guy. As far as I am concerned the whole EFCC saga had political undertone. On Ribadu, let us look before we leap. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Nobody: 8:43am On Jan 17, 2011 |
^^ Thank you! |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by OlokoNla1(m): 10:00am On Jan 17, 2011 |
we want a candidate who will push for Sudan style referendum, we want separation NOW! |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by mavtrevor(m): 10:30am On Jan 17, 2011 |
Just like Obama came when America had no choice but to vote him into power, GEJ has come when Nigerians will have no choice than to vote him into power, i am not rooting for anyone in particular but a close scrutiny at the candidates will show that GEJ is the best candidate for the position, we shouldn't play regional politics anymore, it has taken this country backwards, we need to move forward, we need visionary Nigerians to lead this country into greatness. Now lets look at the following candidates one by one starting with Ribadu, he was the machinery used during Obasanjo's regime to witch hunt Nigerians using the EFCC as a platform, he allowed himself to be used, if he gets into power, what'll stop same people who used him not to again? He may know the solution to curbing corruption in Nigeria but is corruption the only problem of Nigeria? what about education, power, health, and most especially our dying economy? does he have all it takes to bring Nigeria back from the grip of rot? Buhari is a disciplinarian, strict and a dictator. His visions does not satisfy me, he is an elder states man, what has he contributed to this country since he left office? Look at the way he ruled ANPP. Is that what we want in our dear country Now? When confronted with the land use act, he refused to comment on it, what is he hiding from? |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by nairapower: 10:39am On Jan 17, 2011 |
For the presidential elections, let us just give it to PDP. Other party ticket holders will only be spectatators at the end of the day. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by legba1(m): 11:06am On Jan 17, 2011 |
@moderator:having followed arguments and counter arguments,i chose to preah the gospel of RIBADU.Buhari as discipline as he is is a known religious fanatic and that could endangered the co-habitation we enjoy in non muslim/xtian settings in south.GEJ is a well know of OBJ and am sure we all know its a dangerous permutation because its business as usual.We all can attest to the dynamism and good work of Mallam Ribadu when he was in charge of the anti-corruption agency.He is young giving a good chance for control transfer from the ol soilders to the young ones,he can hold his own water anyday and can as well step on toes without making a sacred cow of anyone found wanting(this much he did prosecuting some powerful politician wen at EFCC).This is an opportunity to shift from the old order.it is time the youths dictate what happen to our futures.Mallam Nuhu Ribadu is the man,vote him and you will be glad you did. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by johndoe200: 11:23am On Jan 17, 2011 |
nairapower: At last someone who is on planet earth. This thread depends on a few things: 1. The readers are dumb, or young children. Why? Every adult knows that the ability of a President to be effective depends on his/ her relationship to the legislature. In Nigeria, any president from another party that does not control the legislature is DOOMED as far as implementing the programs he wants to. 2. The continued pandering to sentiment rather than matured political consideration. Why? Where is the candidate for ANPP? Where is APGA. In any mature debate these and other parties would be discussed here. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Mobinga: 11:51am On Jan 17, 2011 |
violent: I wonder why he is even running? Note :: I do not support any candidate |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by violent(m): 12:30pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
Kobojunkie: Lack of Political experience and Lack of independent will are never the same and should not be used synonymously. Bankole was merely in his mid thirties, and a businessman before taking up the role of the speaker of the house of assembly . . . Although I agree with you that leaders with a proven record along with measurable integrity is ideal in this case, the truth is none of the alternatives to Ribadu can boast of a solid record to be proud of. The country suffered massive decay under their belts stemming from ill informed decisions, it will be foolhardy and dangerous for democracy to call them back to office simply because they had the experience. I remember Buhari's regime, who doesn't? People were flogged on the streets like animals and many others were jailed for spurious reasons. We lived in fear in our own country under the monsters of the duo of Generals BUHARI and IDI AGBON. The same government changed Naira and encouraged all the thieves to bring in money through the back door until 32 suite cases full of naira was found on the Emir of Guwandu and government of General Buhari through Major Jakolo (the dethroned Emir of Guwandu) took the money away but the journalists were too afraid to put their names on the news. General Buhari played double standard with the trust we had in him. Two set of laws, one for the poor and second for the powerful Emirs of the North. Will the same man believe in the right of Children, Rights of Women, Freedom of Information, state and City police, mayoral system of govt for our cities, compulsory life insurance for all users of public transports and those employed as drivers and security? Is this what we call a proven track record? It is only logical that as rational beings, when presented with an impossible case of two or more evils, we best go for the less evil one. . . In this case, i will rather go for a man who although had the opportunities of amassing wealth overnight, choose to ignore that for the good of country and man! |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by ITEM71(m): 12:31pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
slow and steady win the race,,for those saying gej dont or doesnt have balls or all the bla bla stuffs abt him,,ITS NOT THE SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT THAT MATTERS,ITS THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG,,its good to shut the fvck up sometimes |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by violent(m): 12:36pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
ITEM 7: The size of the fight? listen and ask yourself if you are making any sense at all!. . when murder suspects are set free just to add to winning numbers at primaries, it becomes a game of "parapoism", one that is dangerous for our democratic system. Also, i noticed no one questioned where goodluck's organisation obtained the money it spent conniving individual delegates to vote at the primaries , . . . . all dunderheads could think of is the size of the fight!. . .which fight? Peharps you should be the one shutting the fvck up sir? |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by johndoe200: 12:41pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
ITEM 7: Most of these peoplewho post here are not in Nigeria and they need these fantasy debates / battles to make them think they are part of the "struggle". The truth is that these postings are just a huge joke. Those on the ground understand the realities, if these guys want they can "elect" anyone they want on NL. We will do what we have to and they will "discuss" the results here, in their usual impotent fashion. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Mobinga: 12:45pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
violent: Oya, evidence? |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by violent(m): 12:47pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
I wonder why he is even running? because he has a constitutionally protected right to do so because he has demonstrated a zero tolerance to corruption while serving as the president of EFCC because he has enough exposure serving as consultants to governments of foreign states on corruption issues because as a trained lawyer he understands the innings of the national constitution and has demonstrated a resolve to abide by it because he has demonstrated an interest to always put the national interest above personal interest because political experience is not only obtained by being in a politically appointed role, serving as a leader in a public office is enough to provide you with as much political experience you require |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by ITEM71(m): 12:52pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
because he has a constitutionally protected right to do so because he has demonstrated a zero tolerance to corruption while serving as the president of EFCC because he has enough exposure serving as consultants to governments of foreign states on corruption issues because as a trained lawyer he understands the innings of the national constitution and has demonstrated a resolve to abide by it because he has demonstrated an interest to always put the national interest above personal interest because political experience is not only obtained by being in a politically appointed role, serving as a leader in a public office is enough to provide you with as much political experience you requir i guess the reason why grandpa and grandchildren get along is just cbcos they have commom enemy,, not making any sense here |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by violent(m): 12:53pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
Mobinga: what kind of evidence are you asking for? Sahara Reporters provided enough already, it is the responsibility of appropriate offices including the house of assembly to probe the validity and credibility of these evidences, not mine! However, here's an extract from the Goodlusk Jonathan's rigging manual, i suggest you take some time to read through the entire manual iself
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Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Gbawe: 12:59pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
violent: Jonathan fans will never address such issues even if those issues have dire fundamental implications for our nation and democracy. Non of them has ever attempted to tell us why Jonathan , as the C-in-C , ignored the legislative gangsterism of Gbenga Daniel in Ogun State . A blatant attempt , by Daniel, to steal N100 billion 'retirement funds' is tacitly endorsed by GEJ !!! In fact , in testimony to Jonathan's insensitivity and blind desperation , Daniel was announced as the campaign coordinator for Jonathan in the SW region right in the middle of the Ogun State imeachment imbroglio !!!! We need strong ,decisive and firm leadership on many issues yet the only time we get that from Jonathan is when he is acting in his own interest like when Teslim Folarin was instantly cleared of a murder charge and flown to Abuja to deliver delegates for Mr. President . The way adoke (AGF) and Ringim (IGP) were used so partisanly , in the Folarin saga, makes a mockery of Nigeria as a nation that does not have even semi-strong institutions with any semblance of independence. That worthless Adoke is quick to acquit a suspected Murderer yet powerless to prosecute Nigerian Halliburton culprits. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Nobody: 1:32pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
Gbawe you know that most of this anti-corruptuion rhetoric you have been spouting about Ribadu is [b]absolutely meaningless,[/b]In the first place the instituions to fight state corruption already exist in Nigeria.-namely The EFCC and the ICPC. Is it rocket science to appoint the right people to head these organizations and fund their budgetary requirements. No. So what's the big deal about this issue? But this is a man that has never held political office in his adult life and so we would like to hear more about his plans for the economy, for the security situation in the country, and for education and manpower development. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by suxes2006(m): 1:40pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
GEJ all the way SHALOM |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Gbawe: 1:46pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
tensor777: Dude , stop following me around. You dont seem to get the notion of genuine political will and it supreme importance so I see no reason , like other , engaging you in pedantic debates about the EFCC, ICPC and such . Even reading my last response before this one makes my point with my examples of the partisan usage of the office of the AGF and IGP . if you don't get what I am saying then that is your own wahala. If you wan't to know Ribadu's plans go here and download his manisfesto : http://ribadu2011.com/?page_id=15. Any bright person could have sought out Ribadu's plans anyway if genuinely interested but your attempt at mischief is obvious. If you don't know Ribadu's plans for Nigeria should the onus be on me to educate you when you can educate yourself? I don't come here to ask the plans of GEJ, Buhari or Shekarau when I can find the info I need myself. |
Re: Presidential Debate - Battle Of The Campaigners by Hodaya(m): 2:13pm On Jan 17, 2011 |
Corruption is simply the first of all of our problems to be solved, not even electricity and the earlier we all realize this the better. My 1 vote will go to the aspirant whose campaign states clearly on how best they intend to tackle this. Fortunately Ribadu is experienced and for now he has my vote, simple. |
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