[b]kulutempa
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 Re: Riot In The North Over Jonathan's Win
« #109 on: Today at 03:10:29 PM »  

In my view, Nigeria is one of the most difficult countries to lead and govern, but one of the easiest to rule and manipulate.  That is why we have always had rulers in Nigeria, but never leaders.  Our rulers have long recognised that Nigeria is not a country as such but a collection of vested interests, and they have ruthlesslessly exploited  these interests to keep themselves in power.   They know that the people want subsidised petrol, so what do they do?  Of course they provide it even if it means shortages from time to time and less money to build roads, hospitals and schools.  They also subsidise electricity, even if it means regular blackouts.  I have also come to the conclusion that the last parastatal that the Nigerian government will privatise is NNPC because that is the golden goose that gives our leaders golden eggs with which to buy favours and operate their system of patronage.  Government control of parastatals means that you can bribe even your opponents with juicy appointments and freeze out those who don't toe the line.  I have also reaslised that expecting our government to privatise key industries and utilities is like expecting turkeys to vote for Christmas.  Once they do this they will start losing their levers of patronage.  In the final analysis,  the solution to the Nigerian conundrum, in my opinion is the reduction of the size and influence of government and the public sector in Nigerian daily life  and to allow the natural Nigerian entrepreneurial spirit to flourish.  However I doubt that this will happen simply because the rulers and the ruled appear to be involved in a relationship of convenience and expediency, and mutual backscratching.[/b]

The above in my opinion is one of the best post I've read in a long time giving the true picture of Nigeria.

The Northerners have all reasons to complain. In the first place, south agitated for rotational pressidency considering the fact that most of the previous Heads of State were from the North. To me, that was then when soldiers snached power by force. Also, non of the military regimes constituted only northerners, it was always with the southerners. Now democracy is established, the only way for all regions to rule and demostrate their capability is through zoning/rotational system. When the democracy is mature enough, every body can contest irrespective of his region or tribe.
Now that GEJ has killed zoning, what will happen after his 4/8 years? That is the major concern of North. The concern followed calls by Pastors that Northerners/Muslims should not be allowed to rule the country again[b][/b]
I dont think if any of the regions/faiths can produce president without the support of others.

To those that are calling for seperation, let us analyse who will suffer most?
North or South.
But if seperation is the only alternative, let us separate PEACEFULLY,
North will xchange food/meat with crude from south. chikena

You know truth is bitter sometimes. I Agree that there is zoning in PDP, but the fact that the zoning arrangement did not specify the the number of term one will stay in the office, is enough evidence that qualifies GEJ to context, however, mmmmmmmmmm, well is only God that will save us.
The other truth is that everybody is tired of the North holding power for so long and people want a change, I believe that is why majority is in support of GEJ.
Also, like my father used to say, truth is not hidden, but we individuals try to hide it. Nigerian problems today is as a result of the civil war. that's all. So the north are still looking at it that they won the war, but they forget that things can change. You can beat a man today and rejoice of victory, but do you know if he is planning for a dangerous revenge? Please let us join hand and build our nation today, forget about the past, put it behind you. we have bright, talented and all sort of people in this country that will help us to achieve greatness in Nigeria. Let us forget violence and embrace peace for good.


May the blessing Be

Misinformed Alamajiris

@ Naris
Good Person! Good thinking! Good Prayer ! = Better Naija

Its rather disheartening that the much talked about democracy we are trying to promote and uphold is being trauncated by some sets of disgruntled elements, under the guise of northern political forum. Illitracy is the bane of Nigeria unity, particularly the northern part of Nigeria. Its unfurtunate.

On the ground here in Naija (KD), from my little survey, at least 70% of individuals have been shown to have intention of voting for GEJ in April.
All those gists of Northern protest/riot 'this and that' is just propaganda! KD is very calm and people, most especially the youths are registering at the various centers. The VP also registered here today. Undeniably, everyone has perceived the Change Nigerians have ever been waiting for. It's just by the corner come April!

The Southern Sudan will be a Nation by July this year, may be the Southern Nigeria should seriously think of a new nation! Let Atiku and IBB rule the North Forever!

God!!!please come down.

@Dandabai:

The south don't need food from the north, or any agricultural product for that matter, the south has yams, palm trees, cassava, vegetables and fruits, cotton, rice, rubber, cocoa, petroleum and various natural resources, the list is endless. My friend it is the north that really needs the south.

However, I'm not advocating that nigeria should break up literarily, but we should change our system of governance from federal to parliamentary system where the southern and northern nigeria can have their own separate autonomy.

Some people here are daft, is it not the same north that gave him votes to win the primaries?? stop this north south division

Most of the people on these forum are just jesters. Christians are always advised by Their leaders to vote for GEJ and muslims also by their imams to vote for their muslim fellow. In a sane society, Both Atiku and Jonathan will be tied to the stake and shot. PDP is not a party that craves good for Nigerians. Most people here are religious/ethnic bigots. utomi, Buhari, Ribadu are more credible than Atiku and Jonathan.

I don't care who rules Nigeria.

One jester said the south needs nothing from the north, how many tonnes of pepper, tomato, yam, grain are grown in the south. How many herds of cattle are developed in the south. No man is an island. Nigeria has never been one and even if Nigeria splits the yoruba man will never go with the igbos. The ijaw man won't go with the igbos because of tribalism.

let Nigerians vote for Credible people, Jonathan has nothing credible going for him , except his good luck name.

I am from the south and i am a muslim.

Nuff Said. Bob Marley said " never make  a politician grant you  a favour, cos they will wanna control you forever. for every almajiri in the north, there is  an area boy in the south.

The problem of Nigeria is the elite versus the masses.

@rotimy  I jumped straight to post this and here you are speaking my mind. Why all this ruse about zoning i feel extremely indignant every time i think of Nigeria as it has been structured; if the Northerners feel cheated let them simply opt out of the state called Nigeria and rule their own; why should a northerner be running things in the Ports Authority, LNG etc I remembered how i was edged out of entering my dream secondary school FGC back then simply because some northern boys were given concession because they were from  educationally disadvantaged states though i scored higher than all of them.

I wanted to settle for a Nigeria with resource controlled exclusively by each state but i think being completely separated is best for everybody, then Atiku can be chosen by the Northern elders to rule the North.

i DON'T HATE THE NORTHERNERS as persons but are our union has been a colossal mistake! and has also slowed and distracted everybody from true national forward motion

BinghiNya:

Most of the people on these forum are just jesters. Christians are always advised by Their leaders to vote for GEJ and muslims also by their imams to vote for their muslim fellow. In a sane society, Both Atiku and Jonathan will be tied to the stake and shot. PDP is not a party that craves good for Nigerians. Most people here are religious/ethnic bigots. utomi, Buhari, Ribadu are more credible than Atiku and Jonathan.

I don't care who rules Nigeria.

One jester said the south needs nothing from the north, [b]how many tonnes of pepper, tomato, yam, grain are grown in the south. [/b]How many herds of cattle are developed in the south. No man is an island. Nigeria has never been one and even if Nigeria splits the yoruba man will never go with the igbos. The ijaw man won't go with the igbos because of tribalism.

let Nigerians vote for Credible people, Jonathan has nothing credible going for him , except his good luck name.

I am from the south and i am a muslim.

Nuff Said. Bob Marley said " never make  a politician grant you  a favour, cos they will wanna control you forever. for every almajiri in the north, there is  an area boy in the south.

The problem of Nigeria is the elite versus the masses.

do you think the northerners fed your grandparents?

^^oil and coastal plains is not the greatest asset the southerners have is their people same goes for the northerners; natural endowments are only catalysts for societal development which in turn catalyzes human development.

they shud hang themselve. Goodluck has won and nothing would halt him come April

The ways people make their comments on nairaland shows exactly what is wrong with nigeria in the first place. Do people have to be insultive or abusive before making their point? i don't think so.

A lot of things is wrong with governance in nigeria, we can never run away from that fact, federalism can never work in a country like nigeria, parliamentary system of government will work better, parliamentary system of government doesn't mean nigeria is breaking up as some people were insinuating, it only means every regions will have autonomy on their region and there will be an executive centre that will not be as strong as each regional government.

Because federalism works in america it doesn't mean it's going to work in nigeria, we cannot just continue to sweep this issues under the carpet.
We have to work out the system of government that will work better for us to be able to reduce all these tribal and religious tension affecting our politics. Until nigerians face this fact, people will just be writing rheotics and semantics in the dailies or even nairaland.

soldee:


It is particularly worrying that everything is now christian-muslim - if it is the easiest way politicians up north can sway the poor teeming masses.

What exactly was GEJ's game plan when he was killing zoning and 'blaming muslims'?

Its crunch time now and he's seeking 100 million muslim votes.

We watch, we learn  

Soldee, are you dreaming?

You said the North should put up their best candidate. Isn't that what happened this time around, when the North put up Atiku as the consensus candidate? But he lost. Nothing stops the North from putting up in every election their best candidate, and nothing stops the South from putting up their best candidate in every election. Once the best candidates are presented, let the people decide.

cant we nigerians be united for once in our lives? or are we beyond redemtion?

They were paid to riot, They are not representing the true intrest of the North, I can tell you!!!!!!!

GREAT TRUTHS
not all christian are good people, not all muslims are bad people, not all pdp guys are bad guyz and certainly not all opposition guyzs are gud guys.
i can bet southern sudan will suffer more in the hands of their brothers in the future than their arabs brothers in the north will ever dare make them feel.

southern cameroun left NIgeria, 2day , their lives is not better than people in afganistan, ,,eritrea , did the same from ethiopia , them still dey struggle, same wit congo abi na guinea, smaller countries within south africa that have their own countries are not doing any better than south africa. HEY , it

to the advocate of secession, I hope u k now that does not necessarily solve the problem, There are pple who have their livelihood in the north.

I am persuaded to think that Atiku is rolling out his plan B in order to make good his pre-primaries threat.

@PrinceK12

Pls take some time to see the bigger picture.

Northern politicians of today do not necessarily represent the interests of the voting North. EVERYBODY knows that!!

So it is rather FOOLISH to play into their hands. Why make religion an issue? Its like putting a gun into your attackers hands and taking off your clothes!!!

soldee:

@PrinceK12

Pls take some time to see the bigger picture.

Northern politicians of today do not necessarily represent the interests of the voting North. EVERYBODY knows that!!

So it is rather FOOLISH to play into their hands. Why make religion an issue? Its like putting a gun into your attackers hands and taking off your clothes!!!

I have made no reference to religion, so I do not know why you have made the statement, "why make religion an issue." All I have said is that parties should put forth their best candidates, regardless of the region from which they originate or their religion, and let the people elect their choice from the cauldron of candidates.

You are the one who has repeatedly stated that candidates be picked based on whether they are Northerners or Southerners, and it is arguable that you are making the impression that candidates be picked according to religion, although you are using their state of origin as a proxy. You have not once answered any question that I've asked you.

tlops:

to the advocate of secession, I hope u k now that does not necessarily solve the problem, There are pple who have their livelihood in the north.

You are right. Their livelihood is derived from mostly farming and cattle rearing. A secession will cut off the revenue most sought after, which is oil money. And I'm sure you know those Northern malos would be unwilling to part with oil money.

i know Jonathan will win d 2011 presidential elections under the PDP

i know d south-south and their friends in other parts will rejoice and dance to church

what i dont know(and i fear) is what the north will do?

Ndi Nzuzu

excerpts from yakubu tildes discourse
Since the advent of Jonathan’s presidency, we have returned to the olden days where northerners are collectively lampooned and criticized for many things. The words “North” and “Northerners” are used at different times, by different authors and for different motives to mean geographical North, the so-called core North or the Muslim North. The victims also vary: some northerners like Christians and so called minorities are occasionally spared. Others – like the Hausa and Fulani Muslims – receive a full dose of the venom any time the North is mentioned. They bear the brunt whenever something goes wrong in the country. The last group also receives some ‘koboko’ from other northern whenever religion is involved. They are collectively described in such hate commentators as lazy, corrupt, inept, arrogant, illiterates, selfish, reactionary, retrogressive, beggars,parasites, incompetent, mumus, etc. Added to this, especially after 9/11, such commentators say they are Muslims who adhere to Islam, the religion of terrorism that calls for killing others and is against democracy, liberty of freedom. The South should break, wrote someone, “and become like India” while the North remains backward like Pakistan.”
I have tried for the purpose of balancing to find similar accusations of Southerners by northern writers in the conventional press or online but I cannot find any! That means if there are some, they must be very few. I cannot also remember any northerner saying Southerners are this bad thing or another even in the heat of the ongoing zoning debate. (Perhaps, it is for the lack of such labels from the North, in 2005, someone had to publish an abusive article against Southerners in Amanaonline website using my name at its author just to tarnish my name among them. That year, I also received some hate mails purported to originate from Mohammed Haruna using another fake email. Neither Mohammed nor I bothered to reply them.) I am, therefore, compelled to restrict myself in this article to only what is said against northerners. Interested readers can go to the comments posted at the bottom my last article in Saharareporters and other similar sites.
Let me start by handling the issue of corruption because it is the mother of all accusations. Take for instance what Sunday Kayode said in reaction to Discourse 305: “All leaders that came from the North are thieves. Where did you get your Dr from…University of Maiduguri? Idiot.” I assume that Mr. Kayode is an educated person since at least he knows there is a university in Maiduguri. If Kayode was abusive in his language, another reader was very civil, though he implied the same thing: “Are there no other better candidates from the North apart from IBB, Gusau, Atiku and Saraki?” Both readers were not fair to the North. The North did give Nigeria a number of credible people. It forwarded Tafawa Balewa during the First Republic as Prime Minister. No one has ever accused him of corruption. Then there were also Murtala and Buhari, none of them to the understanding of Nigerians exhibited any corrupt tendency during their brieftenures. Added to them are Gowon and Shagari, who are also saints by today’s standard. The two led Nigeria during periods of oil boom but they did not leave office with 10% of the wealth stolen by Cecilia Ibru. They were not strong rulers, agreed, as they allowed many to loot the treasury unchecked; yet, they cannot in their person be accused of corruption. Let us recall that all those who celebrated their first one billion naira during the Shagari era, people like Chief Akinloye, were southerners. On the other hand, the entire rice importation for which the much demonized Umaru Dikko was supposed to make his money was just about N200million.
Now let us come to those on whom corruption charges justifiably hang: Babangida, Abacha and Abdulsalami Abubakar. I cannot defend any of these three. But if we look at the South, we realize that it did not produce many angels better than the three. Obasanjo was extremely corrupt, as we have seen during his eight years tenure. People speak of missing $12billion dollar gulf war windfall during Babangida but they hardly say anything today about the $16billion stolen during Obasanjo’s administration on electricity projects alone. Members of various southern discussion groups must have read the recent damning article on Babangida written by the veteran journalist, Naiwu Isahon. He conceded that Obasanjo was worse than Babangida when he opened his latest article by saying, “Apart from Obasanjo, Babangida is the greatest evil ever to befall any country in the world.”
The scion of Obasanjo, Jonathan, is now proving to be like father like son. The corruption tales of his short tenure so far are damning, that is not to mention his brief tenure as the Governor of Bayelsa State from which his wife is investigated for. Now that the PDP – the largest corruption machine in the country – is in crisis, its members who are opposed to Jonathan are telling us how our foreign reserves have been depleted by more than $30 billion in the last few months, in addition to diversion of several billions from ministerial coffers to finance projects and not to mention the corruption regarding contracts in the NNPC. I am sure we will learn more about these shortly. Some like Ojiji Omo have already reached their conclusion: “The making of a tyrant. That man in bowler hat (Azikwe Jonathan) will be worse than Abacha, IBB and OBJ put together”, he said via an email published in Naijaobserver group. I hope we are not heading for the days where IBB, Abacha and Abdulsalami will be promoted to the position of angels by the sheer quantum of corruption under Obasanjo and Jonathan.
On candidates, it will be fair to say that the North has forwarded all sorts of candidates, fitting whatever inclination a Nigerian voter may have – for or against corruption. Of course, if you are for corruption, the PDP candidates from the North are there. Safe journey. If you are for transparency, you are welcome. Buhari is here. As Simon Kolawole of Thisday said recently, to his knowledge, no one has so far accused him of corruption. What would prevent majority of Southerners from voting for him instead of any corrupt candidate in 2011? Did their majority do that when he contested against Obasanjo in 2003 or against ‘Yaradua in 2007? I have read some saying Buhari is old and has military background. Good. Nuhu Ribadu is here. Oya now. He is young, handsome, honest and civilian. But would the majority of the South abandon Jonathan and vote for him? Even if you say you want an honest woman President that is decent, we fit produce am. Mama Sarah Jibril is here. Ngwano, biko. Some say Buhari is ‘shariatist.’ Okay. Take Atiku. He has since 2001 declared himself ‘shariah non-compliant’ at a party in Lagos. What prevents these commentators from seeing these aspirants? I salute people like Pastor Tunde Bakare and many others who are not given to sentiments in choosing the candidates they will support in 2011.
Now, let us move to the general public. Is it true that northerners are corrupt, more than their Southern counterparts? I would not like to resort to guess work. There is an anti-corruption commission, the EFCC. Let us consult it and find out the distribution of corruption among Nigerians. It presents us with a list of fifty-four ongoing corruption cases that it is prosecuting before various high courts in the country as at this morning. I have presented 49 of them that are Nigerian in the table below, giving the amounts involved and the side of the country from which each of the accused persons hails.

asamuel:

Backlash over Nigerian leader's presidential run
By Aminu Abubakar (AFP) – 5 hours ago

"The whipping of religious sentiment in the north against ,  President Goodluck Jonathan is a dangerous development to the sustenance of democracy and national peace and stability," said Shehu Sani of the northern Civil Rights Congress organisation.

"It is equally true that politicians and Christian clerics in the south are also using religion to promote and rally support for Jonathan against northern candidates."

Source: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5giPnIT3W2sDLKNMnwV2FkLaWUPlw?docId=CNG.3979b9cd43236654729450c12c6fab04.2f1

This is an unpalatable truth in the post. Nobody has talked about it. Why?
we are as corrupt as the politicians

NARIS:
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The other truth is that everybody is tired of the North holding power for so long and people want a change, I believe that is why majority is in support of GEJ.
Also, like my father used to say, truth is not hidden, but we individuals try to hide it. Nigerian problems today is as a result of the civil war. that's all. So the north are still looking at it that they won the war, but they forget that things can change. You can beat a man today and rejoice of victory,

Thank God for your father who knows that although you, his son, will try to hide the truth, but it cannot be
So it is the truth that everybody (including the Northerners) are tired of the North holding power? Really
And who have been holding power since 1999? Obj, Yaradua, Jonathan

As for Northerners - we really are tired of Alhaji James Ibori, Mallam Gbenga Daniels, Alhaji Alao-Akala etc