I can see some foul play by the foreign government of trying to exploit their oil reserves in libya as they supported the creation of south sudan because of their oil.
Open ur eyes and neva critisize the stubborn col.

Ifunaya- you keep praying, also pray for more knowledge and while your at it pray for enlightment.
The libyans are currently an enemy of themselves, has anymody thought of what will happen if/when gadaafi is assasinated?? Are any of you people aware there is currently a self proclaimed government+ leader operating in benghazi as a result of this rif-raf? Doesnt that kinda defy the whole explanation the media is giving you for the war? Have u ever asked yourself is gadaafi is soo bad why have they waited till now? Do you know where these soo called 'civilians' u keep lamenting on about are getting thier highly specialised and dangerous military weapons from? Do you know many libiyans? What life in libya is like? How much is university education currently in the area you live? Are you aware that almost every war started or fuelled by the US involves an individual that once had close relations with them? Do you know the history of osama. Saddam hussein? The likes? Dont you realise this is exactly how it starts? The us assasinates the leader places thier puppets there and keeps thier soldiers in foreign lands to keep the people from protesting, the only country gaining from any of this being the western ones and the end goal/result is POWER! THAT is the meaning of imperialism and im dissapointed that people dont realise that is what the americans are doing. Are you aware of the current state of the US right now? They are running out of excuses for the wars and the economy is crumbling, yet they continue to pour billions into warfare, you think they are doing it out of sentiment? Please use your brains! The americans cause war! Are the primary source of war and are the only real terrorists.
The saddest thing is obama will claim to have solved the conflicts he started and be seen as a hero rather than the villians and satanists they really are!

is libya his personal property ??

he should go jorrrrrrr


but if he chosses to stay, he should accept collateral damage

cardoso111:

It is a shame for Africa,AU in essence to encourage this kind of killing.Why is Lybia singled out?Egypt,Tunisioa,Morocco,Yemen all experienced this turmoil.The question is why is Lybia case different?Oil. The USA under the guise of NATO called UK na France to side them to take over Lybia!
While we all know that Gaddafy has overstayed ,should wiping out be the next thing to do.Let AU stand up or sit up to their duty of watching over Africa

Brother, the AU are not in support of the NATO air strikes, even amongst the UN security member, Russia, China,India,Brazil and I think Tunisia were not in support of a resolution that will see the use of military action by way of air strikes. Tunisia which is a membes of the NATO alliance vehemently disagreed to the use of force in that manner even the arab league who had initially lent their support by backing the UN resolution immediately withdrew their support when it was clear that NATO was itching to do more than just guarding the airspace over libya.
A lot of us Africans have failed to understand the politics at play beyond Gaddafi use of brutal force which I do not support though but it must be pointed out that that islamic fundamentalist with help from western intelligence instigators usurped the genuine opportunity for change for the Libyan people and turnes it into an armed insurrection. The opposition in Benghazi was nothing like a peaceful protest, it was an armed rebellion that could only be squashed by the use of force. Why do you think they have been able to sustain the war if actually they were mere civilizians as the west media like to claim, they have been getting military support in exchange for oil from western powers. Benghazi and some of the neighbouring town like misarati have got oil wells and are in controll of the rebels.

Blazing99:

Guys cant we open our eyes to see the hypocrisy of the WEST?

1. They declared a No-fly Zone in Libya under the UN resolution of 1973

2. They breached the No-fly zone by bombing Libya's military facilities

3. They sent delegations to the rebels and welcomed their delegates to their nations

4. They begun trading [size=15pt]OIL[/size] for weapons with the rebels

5. They delivered arms to the rebels

6. They sent their military officers to train rebels

7. Ground troops are being prepared for possible Libyan Invasion.

8. Begun boming civillian residences of which Ghadaffi's children and grandchildren were victims.

I cant believe we Nigerians see an African nation about to be invaded and all we can say is beat to the tune of the West and their biased regional union called NATO? Colonial mentality, still very imminent in the 21st century.




Nice Analysis Komekhn though I dont dig all your opinions.

Do you really know what no fly zone is? For a no fly zone to be possible, Ghadaffis complete air defence/capability system has to be neutralised. You cannot expect to have a no fly zone with anti aircraft missiles churning rockets at domestic and military aircrafts. No fly zone is not a lip service declaration, it is a military operation!

Why is it that his closest allies deserted him after the war started? why did his daughter flee to spain? Gadaffi is not even loved by his people so why are you here crying over another persons headache?

NATO came in because AU was impotent. So stop complaining.

MandingoII:

Here you go, you mustya/s/s NEGATIVE trash. I'd suggest you do a more thorough search.

Of course, I engage in S/h/i/t talk. Largely in retaliation to the COMPLETE IGNORANCE that comes out of Africans mouths.

And AGAIN

I am a BLACK AMERICAN.

born and raised in the Struggle of Black Americans

I an not African. I'd suggest you click my link on the bottom of this post.

WE ARE CULTURALLY DIFFERENT.

Black Americans do not ADOPT African ideologies or cultural practices. Besides, you should know this being an illegal immigrant in the U.K.



https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-595647.0.html


The Underwear Bomber Is A Hoax!
« on: January 30, 2011, 10:47 PM »

Why did they do that to that kid?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu5l7a7dgP4

Respected lawyer and community leader, Kurt Haskell, has nothing to gain from pointing his finger at the federal government. He witnessed the underwear bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, being whisked past security and led onto NorthWest Airlines flight 253, by a well-dressed man with an American accent- all without the passenger's proper visa and passport documentation. What the news piece doesn't mention is that the State Dept did indeed put Mutallab on the plane, at the behest of "an unnamed US intelligence agency." Undersecretary Patrick F. Kennedy (Detroit news article was removed from web!).

This is why we are being groped, molested, and body scanned at the airport by the TSA! Because the government claims the underwear bomber is a real threat! Stand up America- the politicians say our rhetoric is dangerous. Maybe the government itself is terribly dangerous,

Mister mandingo we africans really dont care what you confused breeds call yourselves.In 1963 you guys referred to yourselves as coloureds and later in the early 70s u called yourselves black americans but today u now call yourselves african americans.Maybe in the nearest future u might call urselves nigger americans or lets say coon americans.Call yourselves whatever you feel like calling yourselves and we really dont care about it.You black americans feel so inferior about yourselves that u talk and bash africans all day long to feel better about yourselves.I live in your country and i have seen the mess in the black american community so theres nothing u say in here tht will change everything.All you guys think about is basketball or hip hop and when u not doing tht u busy chasing fat ugly white girls around in the streets and calling them shorties.You live in one of the richest countries in the world and yet theres nothing to show for the black american community except for basket ball or some juvenile hip hop video.

igbogolo:


Do you really know what no fly zone is? For a no fly zone to be possible, Ghadaffis complete air defence/capability system has to be neutralised. You cannot expect to have a no fly zone with anti aircraft missiles churning rockets at domestic and military aircrafts. No fly zone is not a lip service declaration, it is a military operation!

Why is it that his closest allies deserted him after the war started? why did his daughter flee to spain? Gadaffi is not even loved by his people so why are you here crying over another persons headache?

NATO came in because AU was impotent. So stop complaining.

Yes a no-fly zone defines itself. Any plane that flies is brought down. Simple and Short. Go lecture an illiterate with ur jargons. Perhaps u might be belived.

Did the so-called no-fly zone involve assassinating Ghadaffi or innocent memebers of his family.

Human beings always have something to say even in defense of the devil,

'Iku tin p'ojugba eni, owe nla lo n pa fun ni' .
The death of your associate is telling you a strong proverb. Libya's situation should concern us as a whole. The scenario is just like Nigeria, only difference is that we have a puppet leader unlike Libya's strong man.
Libya: rich oil country, stable, peaceful, and citizens living a good life.
Then came the 'humanitarian brigade': They came to protect civilians with bombs. Blow up a few of Libya's miltary structure and render their airforce incapable. Blow up a few houses, kill a few women, men and kids, yet blame it on Ghadafi.
Whenever I hear BBC reports on the Libyan crises I laugh. It is so obviously biased and sometimes takes the urine. The BBC carefully choses words to suit its government's propaganda. 'Rebel forces' 'Pro-democracy activists' 'UK sends its intelligence officers to help the rebels'.
Bottomline is this: UK, France, and USA are only out for Libya's oil.Simple. They will do thesame to Nigeria tomorow if we get a president with balls who flushes away the foreigners who steal our oil and puts honest Nigerians in place.
USA will not hessitate to blow up Abuja the minute its oil inflow is threatened. Think well brothers.

i c it as fair

ola_pluto:

'Iku tin p'ojugba eni, owe nla lo n pa fun ni' .
The death of your associate is telling you a strong proverb. Libya's situation should concern us as a whole. The scenario is just like Nigeria, only difference is that we have a puppet leader unlike Libya's strong man.
Libya: rich oil country, stable, peaceful, and citizens living a good life.
Then came the 'humanitarian brigade': They came to protect civilians with bombs. Blow up a few of Libya's miltary structure and render their airforce incapable. Blow up a few houses, kill a few women, men and kids, yet blame it on Ghadafi.
Whenever I hear BBC reports on the Libyan crises I laugh. It is so obviously biased and sometimes takes the urine. The BBC carefully choses words to suit its government's propaganda. 'Rebel forces' 'Pro-democracy activists' 'UK sends its intelligence officers to help the rebels'.
Bottomline is this: UK, France, and USA are only out for Libya's oil.Simple. They will do thesame to Nigeria tomorow if we get a president with balls who flushes away the foreigners who steal our oil and puts honest Nigerians in place.
USA will not hessitate to blow up Abuja the minute its oil inflow is threatened. Think well brothers.

Tell them my brother, Peoples mind are covered with hate and vengeance that we can no longer reason intelligently, We can no longer come together for a common interest. when i was growing up we read in school(i was raised in France) about the colonization of Africa and how Africa was balkanized later and the effect and conflicts that ensure, during my time in senior high, we learnt how the tribal divisions and hatred was manipulated for the interest of OUR NATION(being France as i was a Frenchman as well) and we read numerous examples of that in text books.
To tell you the truth, the true meaning of that was not clear till i started meeting Nigerians abroad from my university period onwards, how can be who i see as the same divide among themselves and even willingly betray each other based of tribe with a mentality of " he is not one of us" just because of tribe. God Please Help Us.

Again thank you Ola_pluto, people like you strengthens my faith in that country.

Forty one good years as the President of Libya. Aba Mallam go rest thread the part of honour, hand over like Hosni Mubarak did.

The demonstrations in Libya were largely peaceful at the beginning until Gadafi responded for fear of loosing control of the country as occasioned in Tunisia and Egypt using severe military force. Lets not forget there were people being killed in the streets and then it so happened that some of the soldiers sent to quell demonstrations turned against the government. There was the news of Gadaffi losing a jet when the pilot ejected.

What differentiates the current scenario in Libya from the Egyptian and Tunisian experience was Gadaffi's response at the beginning. Please remember that he promised to sit tight and effectively hired mercenaries to quell demonstrations since some of his military personnel developed cold feet aiming at their own people.

Lets be straight about this Gadaffi deserves no sympathy. The death of his son and grandchildren painful in all ramifications but do you think the ones affected by the Lockerbie bombing would really care?
what do you get when military deserters join a protest and you continue to pound with serious military hardware? They look to overtake the closest armory and fight back. if help comes along in whatever guise they will take it without thinking too hard.

The US, NATO and all other alliance in play in Libya are currently working to lessen or reduce his military operations/might to aid the anti- Gadaffi forces but you cannot invite this guys without them doing their own thing. These guys (CIA and the rest) have tried severall time to remove him, assassinate him with no luck for years and you think they wil let go of this opportunity, Hell No.
Even if they need to play second fiddle in the scheme of things so as not to burn their own hands directly.

Both sides have not played fairly, Gadaffi's residence is not where you go to effect a no fly zone, the oil belongs to the libyan people not Gadaffi and his generations (the guys has ruled 40 years and clearly wants his children rule after him) and not to the US.

The Libyan people have a right to be tired of his face and his children.

thoth:

For many nigerian to agree with US and NATO interventionism into african affairs, and for many Nigerians to simply don't see through the Imperialistic manipulations of our Media and implications of such set ups is very disturbing, i am really worried about the ignorance in africa, and people like Cap" will always feel sad whenever he tries to enlightend such ignorant people.

bro im really glad for the very intelligent contributions you are making to this discussion, i remember when the americans first started talking about military intervention in africa, i think this started around the early 2000s when china started increasing its trade with africa.  

The trigger for america and europe was china's increasing oil and gas imports from various african countries like nigeria, angola and sudan - for years america and europe had been the major importers of these resources, now they had a competitor who unlike them was willing to trade on a much fairer basis, unlike the US and europe that exploited africa by offering loans with crippling interest rates - china was willing to offer interest free loans and much more competitively priced infrastructure contracts, also china wasnt interested in meddling with the internal political structure of nations that it traded with.  Due to such favourable terms of trade africa started looking eastward, this scared the hell out of america and europe and they were determined to do something to stop this.

It was during this period that a decision was made i think under george w bush to set up military bases all over africa namely africom - the idea being for america to "protect" what they saw as "their" natural resources on the continent, Cynthia Mckinney - former US presidential candidate in the 2008 elections came out to warn africans about america's plan to recolonise africa by setting up military bases all over the continent.  

she explained that  if america succeeded in their goal the entire continent would be plunged into chaos and wars would start springing up all over africa with america manipulating and conducting them from behind the scenes, she went on to explicitly state why the US wanted to do this - in order to make it impossible for the chinese to trade peacefully with african nations, the chaos would then allow for the neo colonial usurpers (america and britain) to come in under the pretext of implementing peace or the protection of civillians (sound familiar?) and surreptiously privatise the entire wealth of the occupied country (sound familiar?) - all of this would be done under the guise of humanitariansim - notice that this is the same pretext which was used in the case of ivory coast and its now being used for libya - an astute observer knows however that the real objective has nothing to do with humanitarianism and everything to do with the appropriation of the wealth of these nations and removal of any competitive threat ie china.

Was anyone listening then ? no, now fast forward to 2011 and Ms Mckinney's dire warnings seem to be materialising at breakneck speed -  the chinese had vast oil and gas investments in libya - the chinese have been forced out and the civil war rages on, according to an american economist who served under the reagan administration in the 80's other oil rich african nations that refuse to end all chinese investment in africa will find themselves on the list of nations to be invaded and taken down - ie sudan, angola, gabon, equatorial guinea, algeria and of course nigeria, therefore when i hear our people bleating on endlessly about how america is just doing this to protect the live of innocent civillians i have to ask myself whether stu.pidity and ignorance are genetic traits in  our people - why would a nation that has kept you in bondage by way of crippling interest rates and debt and  unfair trade policies suddenly care about your human rights?  If these same nations think its okay for your govts to cut spending on education, health care and other social services and instead use this revenue for repayment of our alleged debts to them while millions of africans suffer in squalor why the hell would they suddenly care about you now?

As i keep saying Libya is the only nation in africa whose banking system is not controlled by the IMF or the world bank, its citizens enjoy the highest standard of living in africa, the life expectancy for its citizens is 74 years while nigeria which is supposedly a democratic nation is 48 years, now tell me why all of a sudden america have chosen to take a sudden interest in the human rights of a people who are living better than their fellow africans on the rest of the continent?
Why is it so easy for our people to be fooled?

The CIA has created the "Boko Haram" they have trained and supplied bombs and target, they were setting up the foundations for the next conflict, and they will be ready to interven soon.
Gaddafi has been a examplary leader in africa, it is a pity that being as uninformed as the africans are, or mis-informed as Africans are, the likes of Qaddafi can be easily be meddled with and we stand and cheer.
I kept asking myself who will be the next, which leader that wants to free its people from the yolk of western imperialism will be the next Demon to be torn down, while the silly Africans watch and cheer. African freedom is a very long way ahead.

I am very sure you know what you are talking about as i dont think you would be saying this if you had no proof, the only people who continue to underestimate the sheer ruthlessness of the US are those who know nothing about history, it is not today that america started its meddling in the internal affairs of sovereign nations, similar tactics have been used by the US govt in numerous countries around the world - the US govt armed and funded a group known as the contras in nicaragua in ordr to overthrow a democratically elected govt known as the sandinistas, these contras embarked on a campaign of terror massacring thousands of people who supported the popular and democratically elected sandinistas - this is just one of many of such examples - they are too numerous to fill this small space.

History is repeating itself in libya with america's funding and support of the libyan rebels who are also seeking to overthrow the legitimate govt of Muammar Gadaffi.

Jonathan the current nigerian president went to US to meet obama before the election, to get his support, is that what a leader should do ?, does that show we are a sovereign state ? or are we being sold off again by somebody that wants a share of the cake and just promised his master to do anything he bids if he would be granted a space at the table ? Does US support come for free or are there ties to it ?

I have said it before that Jonathan is nothing more than a paid up puppet of britain and the united states, of course he had to go and pay tribute to Obama because he owes his rise to power to them, do you think it is a coinicidence that he is where he is today, dont forget that if he fails to tow the line he could very easily be removed - remember MKO Abiola?   although i dont think he would even have the courage to challenge the west on anything, also remember that nigeria voted in favour of the no fly zone over libya, this is a clear indication of where nigeria's loyalties lie, it is quite happy to open the door for the colonialists to come in and recolonise a sovereign state just as long as it can retain its hold on power

Many people will never ask this question, we are already consumed by western mindset to our own peril, people like Mandingo who would rather be American than African and who despises anything of his own brethren is the people we should watch out for.
Divide and conquer is the rule here, we sit and cheer while one goes down, and we sit and cheer while another goes down. and they sit and cheer while we go down. Africa is being played my pawns but just like Cap said someday , just somday it will all come to an end.
At the moment the ignorant of my own people worries me the most.

I couldnt have put it better myself, africans are being used as pawns but the tragic thing is that we mindlessly cheer and applaud the very people who are plotting our  destruction, very soon the scales will fall from our eyes and the reality of our  situation will become so glaringly obvious that we will have no choice than to accept that due to ignorance and st.upidiy we were fooled once again.

[size=16pt][center]ON A SERIOUS NOTE!!![/center][/size]

I'm beginning to believe we have a nice lil ANTI-IMPERALISM group here.

Certain people here know how this world work.

Even though we do NOT see eye-to-eye (because of our own biases and personal experiences with each other)

We should follow a posters SUGGESTION,

and create a MOVEMENT.

otherwise, this is HOT air.

@Stkilda

As to whether the US is right to intervene in Libya, I say, “yes, they are”. It is their absolute right, as a nation, to pick and choose which conflicts to get involved in and for whatever reasons. I wish that they had chosen to intervene in the Nigerian civil war. I am sure that millions of lives would have been saved and it wouldn’t have mattered if in the end they helped themselves to some of the oil.

I'm very sure people like you can sell their birthrights just for a loaf of bread.

Stupidity Personified

ola_pluto:

'Iku tin p'ojugba eni, owe nla lo n pa fun ni' .
The death of your associate is telling you a strong proverb. Libya's situation should concern us as a whole. The scenario is just like Nigeria, only difference is that we have a puppet leader unlike Libya's strong man.
Libya: rich oil country, stable, peaceful, and citizens living a good life.
Then came the 'humanitarian brigade': They came to protect civilians with bombs. Blow up a few of Libya's miltary structure and render their airforce incapable. Blow up a few houses, kill a few women, men and kids, yet blame it on Ghadafi.
Whenever I hear BBC reports on the Libyan crises I laugh. It is so obviously biased and sometimes takes the urine. The BBC carefully choses words to suit its government's propaganda. 'Rebel forces' 'Pro-democracy activists' 'UK sends its intelligence officers to help the rebels'.
Bottomline is this: UK, France, and USA are only out for Libya's oil.Simple. They will do thesame to Nigeria tomorow if we get a president with balls who flushes away the foreigners who steal our oil and puts honest Nigerians in place.
USA will not hessitate to blow up Abuja the minute its oil inflow is threatened. Think well brothers.

Nigeria"s own problem with the USA might come off in the nearest.Remember that USA wants to put its military bases in africa under the AFRICOM banner and especially in west africa and nigeria,south africa and some few african countries are refusing.South africa is too big too be bullied but if nigeria still refuses to allow US military bases into west africa then the USA would have no option  that to use a military action or sactions against nigeria.And believe me when the american bombs start raining in Abuja and lagos only God will save nigeria.Libya has more military might than nigeria but look at how the americans are ravaging libya right now.Nigeria will be ten times easy for americans to invade.

^^^^^

america will NOT put bases in Nigeria.

Nigeria is too UNSTABLE.

ghana maybe.

although, because nigeria got OIL and is in America's STRATEGIC interest, America will alway stay vetted as long as the oil keeps flowing.

or shall i say the OIL BARRONS.

In every issue, there is the sentimental part and the factual part.
True,Gadhafi had stayed too long in power let this not only appeal to our sentiment but really he's done so much improvement to his Nation and the people than any Nigerian president or head of state that i know about,it could even be argued that if that nation had been a democratic nation like Nigeria the man made river project might not have been a success. In other words at least he has somethings to show for his long stay in office but the fact remain he stayed long enough.
But its also a fact that any armed opposition against any government whatsoever is treason.
When the crisis started as a peaceful protest,fine Gadhafi suppressed it which any government will do in the first place even if later the protest will be considered,but when it later re-surface as a armed insurrection it nothing but treason which has to be suppressed with necessary forces before the nation is plunged into unrest but unfortunately its not just an armed insurrection but full scale rebellious army.
For year US had alway meddle in other nation affairs rightly or not but on the basis of this crisis there intervention on the side of the rebels who're committing treason against a nation is unjust.
Now i believe an objective,unbias observer will be able to say that this crisis is not Gadhafi shooting at civilians because anybody knows civilians can't be well armed and organised as the rebels.
In conclusion if at all UN or whoever will enter into this matter they should first clear and seperate a rebellious anti-govt forces who want to overthrow govt for their selfish reasons from the true pro-democracy protesters. But because the selfish reasons of the rebels is in accordance with the world powers who actually made up the security council of the UN this is the best they could do.
But its a pity our people can't seperate sentiment from fact,but i hope the enlighten among us will use the education we got from then which they are using to divide and rule us to counter there slots before Africa is doomed.

cdoffx:

In every issue, there is the sentimental part and the factual part.
True,Gadhafi had stayed too long in power let this not only appeal to our sentiment but really he's done so much improvement to his Nation and the people than any Nigerian president or head of state that i know about,it could even be argued that if that nation had been a democratic nation like Nigeria the man made river project might not have been a success. In other words at least he has somethings to show for his long stay in office but the fact remain he stayed long enough.
But its also a fact that any armed opposition against any government whatsoever is treason.
When the crisis started as a peaceful protest,fine[b] Gadhafi suppressed it [/b] which any government will do in the first place even if later the protest will be considered,but when it later re-surface as a armed insurrection it nothing but treason which has to be suppressed with necessary forces before the nation is plunged into unrest but unfortunately its not just an armed insurrection but full scale rebellious army.
For year US had alway meddle in other nation affairs rightly or not but on the basis of this crisis there intervention on the side of the rebels who're committing treason against a nation is unjust.
Now i believe an objective,unbias observer will be able to say that this crisis is not Gadhafi shooting at civilians because anybody knows civilians can't be well armed and organised as the rebels.
In conclusion if at all UN or whoever will enter into this matter they should first clear and seperate a rebellious anti-govt forces who want to overthrow govt for their selfish reasons from the true pro-democracy protesters. But because the selfish reasons of the rebels is in accordance with the world powers who actually made up the security council of the UN this is the best they could do.
But its a pity our people can't seperate sentiment from fact,but i hope the enlighten among us will use the education we got from then which they are using to divide and rule us to counter there slots before Africa is doomed.

Suppressed it with what? Tear-gas or water? Rubber bullet? Word of mouth? When did ordinary citizen turned to rebel?

whoever gave you people the idea that nigerians agree in favor of US and their western counterpart ?? Majority of us just ignore the west and their foreign stooges on nl knowing that what goes around eventually comes around.
If Asia or Russia stands up tomorrow and says it needs African's help against west, i can bet you that many will rise up bypassing our puppet leaders.
The west keeps creating too much chaos in the world, sooner or later someone might decide to stop it at all cost .  A bully has no real friends to tell him the truth so he can't change as necessary.

coldhearts:

whoever gave you people the idea that nigerians agree in favor of US and their western counterpart ?? Majority of us just ignore the west and their foreign stooges on nl knowing that what goes around eventually comes around.
If Asia or Russia stands up tomorrow and says it needs African's help against west, i can bet you that many will rise up bypassing our puppet leaders.
The west keeps creating too much chaos in the world, sooner or later someone might decide to stop it at all cost .  A bully has no real friends to tell him the truth so he can't change as necessary.

Did the West start the war in Libya, Egypt or Tunisia?

MandingoII:

[size=16pt][center]ON A SERIOUS NOTE!!![/center][/size]

I'm beginning to believe we have a nice lil ANTI-IMPERALISM group here.

Certain people here know how this world work.

Even though we do NOT see eye-to-eye (because of our own biases and personal experiences with each other)

We should follow a posters SUGGESTION,

and create a MOVEMENT.

otherwise, this is HOT air.

if I were a betting man. I would put my money on that "HOT AIR" statement there. Noise making with the supposed  objective of educating us on the 'covert" operations of the US

Like this just started happening yesterday, worse still in this information age it seems the assumption is that we are too brain dead to figure stuff out cause as always some PUPPETMASTER is pulling all the strings.

PLEASE!!!

Madingo and the rest of ya'll. This is for you regarding blowing hot steam everyday about the US !!!hahahahaha!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90u_pjJNAmo

Komken said:

Cap28, what’s your obsession with America no country is a saint but the depth of your hatred is beyond me, your analysis is warped in the extreme and in my opinion dangerously misguided. We are not talking about US intervention but a United Nations resolution (1973) intervention as it concerns double standards this is not in dispute but this does not pre-empt the immense good, relief and thousands of Libyan civilian lives saved by this UN resolution action. Bahrain, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Syria did not have the same wholesale brazen slaughter of its people comparative to Libya, I mean for goodness sake Gaddafi was using attack helicopters to shoot at his own civilian protestors within the first few days of the protest.  What were the casualty figures day by day? Libyans had one option fight or die, these observations are not in dispute they are well documented.

I dont know where you got this idea that i am obsessed with america, outraged  - yes,  obsessed - no.

By the way i think i am totally justified in my outrage - here we have a tyrannical govt with one of the biggest military machines on the planet  rampaging around the world (with britain and france tagging along)  invading sovereign states, taking down so called rogue govts, killing innocent men women and children and you along with a few others on here think thats perfectly normal.

First of all the grounds on which the UN resolution was granted was never proven - to date there is no evidence that gaddaffi strafed unarmed civillians.

secondly UN resolution 1973 does not authorise the assassination of sovereign heads of state, it is limited to the implementation of a no-fly zone for the sole purpose of the protection of civillians, tell me how killing gaddaffi's son and grandchildren falls within the remit of protecting civillians?

thirdly there is no evidence that the people in benghazi would have been slaughtered had gaddaffi's troops succeeded in retaking benghazi, after all there were no reported massacres in places like ajdabiya and tobruk which were recaptured from the rebels by gadaffi's troops.

in fact in a tv broadcast gadaffi's son stated that the rebels were free to leave the country in order to avoid arrest after gaddaffi's army succeeded in retaking benghazi

by the way saudi police went into bahrain and were filmed shooting people at point blank range in the streets, did america intervene? no

NATO is not controlled by the USA what planet are you on, without the collective and individual effort of NATO we were minutes away from a complete blood bath in Benghazi. Gadaffi will and should be tried for war crimes this guy was butchering his people like sardines because he wants to stay in power.

okay thats your view - but i beg to differ, the entire operation has been controlled from start to finish by america, remember they took the lead, they deployed the first batch of missiles which were dropped and if not for the fact that america is virtually bankrupt they would have committed even more weaponry and military personnel, the reason they even bothered to involve the other nations is because they cant affford the entire financial burden of the operation and this is actually why some other nations are involved , however in terms of operational control - america is in firm command of the entire exercise.

Finally NATO and the USA are there because our African leaders failed woefully to call this despot to order why because a number of them receive huge amounts of aid from him such as Mali, Burkina Faso, Chad, Rwanda, Uganda to name just a few and aid always comes with strings attached.  I would consider it highly likely that Libyan money has filtered through to our own political groups particularly those that emanate from the North.  It is widely reported that Gaddafi has been sponsoring international terrorism for decades IRA, Lockerbie, UTA flight 772 again to name but a few.

No, NATO are there because this is something they had planned to do as far back as 1991 as verified by one of their 4 star generals:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc0tv-ZjmLQ

the AU have tried to intervene, and were treated shabbily by the EU, america , the rebels and the arab league, have you forgotten how a delegation went to tripoli last month to call for a cease fire between gadaffi and the rebels?  didnt gadaffi agree to the ceasefire? didnt the rebels say they were not going to honour it? didnt the EU and america also say that they were not interested in honouring the same cease fire?
You castigate the AU for being ineffectual and corrput  due to monies received from gadaffi, what about the EU? Are you aware that the richer member states like germany, france italy and britain assist poorer ones like bulgaria and romania, do you not understadn that the whole idea of having an economic union is to assist member nations within that union?  aRe  you aware that countries like malta receive millions of euros in grants from a fund especially set up for that purpose, now if it is good for european countries to work together to assist each other tell me why you are against african countries doing the same thing?  

Gadaffi donated millions of dollars to numerous african govts for various development projects and instead of you to commend him for this you accuse him of bribing the govts of these countries.
Funny how you forgot to mention that Gadaffi also funded another "terrorist" group -  the ANC.

Mandela even visited gadaffi to thank him for his support as soon as he was released from prison, he did this while libya was still under economic sanctions and received heavy criticism from the west for it.

Finally GEJ has failed woefully, our foreign policy lacks vision and coherence, we should be taking a lead role Nigerians have the highest population of sub Saharan African immigrants in Libya. Nigerians have been forcefully conscripted into the Libyan army, used as human shields and are stranded possibly in their thousands in Misrata and in other Libyan towns. In my opinion a direct assault on our integrity as a nation we should have sent our soldiers to rescue our citizens as well as the other unfortunate black Africans stranded their and being cut down day by day by Libyan shells. Do you think if their were just 100 US citizens in Libya you would not have US marines rescuing their citizens. I cry for our people forgotten and abandoned by their own government I see them on TV every day for all I know they could be my distant cousins. I wonder how many Nigerians have been killed in Libya.

Nigeria's foreign policy is fully coherent, the fact that it is not perceived as coherent or visionary to you doesnt mean that it isnt coherent to the west.

The nigerian govt is a puppet govt  - it serves the interests of washington and london  - jonathan knows exactly what he's doing - he is following instructions , he was instructed to vote in support of the no fly zone over libya and he did that.  Nigeria can not take a lead role with regard to libya because it is fighting on the side of the oppressor, why didnt nigeria send a delegation to tripoli last month to negotiate a cease fire? even Zuma of south africa went to try and sort things out, but nigeria didnt - that shoudl tell you whose interests the nigerian govt is serving.

Now if the nigerian govt can not even send a delegation to negotiate peace between gadaffi and the rebels  do you seriously think they will be interested in securing the safety of some nigerian migrant workers stranded in libya?

justwise:

Did the West start the war in Libya, Egypt or Tunisia?

i really don't care who started what, at the end of the day most won't remember what started it, they only remember the role westerners played. If they didn't start this things, why get involved in it and endanger the whole society. To what good is that?. Is it that they are incapable of peaceful negotiations with that much inflated iq of theirs?.

coldhearts:

i really don't care who started what, at the end of the day most won't remember what started it, they only remember the role westerners played. If they didn't start this things, why get involved in it and endanger the whole society. To what good is that?. Is it that they are incapable of peaceful negotiations with that much inflated iq of theirs?.

You don't care who started it but u are quite happy to watch Gaddafi slaughter his own pple?

justwise:

You don't care who started it but u are quite happy to watch Gaddafi slaughter his own pple?

pls don't alter my words. libya is a sovereign nation and its up to Qaddaffi and a responsible international community to negotiate for peace.

I am not a judge and it's difficult to find people that believe the western media these days but show me one western nation that is not guilty or accomplice in the killing of innocent people - pak, iraq afghan, hiroshima, even the fact that EU sends its people to these war is equivalent to killing their own people.

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Mandingo last time i checked Ghana is West africa and Nigeria is not as unstable as the middleeast but their are heavily armed american troops stationed in the USA.There have been covert missions by american agents lobbying Jonathan over allowing american forces into Nigeria.From what i see the USA has caught on the colonialism bug and it knows stationing its troops around the world would be enough to cower the inhabitants of such countries who are ready to oppose US policies.Its yet to cower the arabs though.

I were a betting man. I would put my money on that "HOT AIR" statement there. Noise making with the supposed objective of educating us on the 'covert" operations of the US

Like this just started happening yesterday, worse still in this information age it seems the assumption is that we are too brain dead to figure stuff out cause as always some PUPPETMASTER is pulling all the strings.

PLEASE!!!

Madingo and the rest of ya'll. This is for you regarding blowing hot steam everyday about the US !!!hahahahaha!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90u_pjJNAmo

shut your musty a/s/s up.

you are one DUMBA/S/S African

NATO take is orders from Amerikka

Why did it not get involved with the US to go and bomb Iraq?

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you are one DUMBA/S/S African

NATO take is orders from Amerikka

Why did it not get involved with the US to go and bomb Iraq?

How many times have you heard 5 Americans killed in Iraq, what you hear in the news is 5 NATO troops killed in Iraq.
The invasion of Iraq is done under NATO flag, you should try to see how those machines actually works.