Sinachay:

Insults as the best defence huh?
I already told you why those ramshackle buildings do not meet the most basic health of safety standards of any third world country besides Nigeria.

1. Poor ventilation.
2. Severe breach of infection control standards! YOU DO NOT HAVE WINDOWS OPEN IN ANY BIRTHING CENTER OR OPERATING ROOM. But your sleek-willy
Fashola already knows that there will be NO electricity anytime soon in Ajegunle and left provisions for windows. . .so NATURAL BREEZE CAN BLOW IN DISEASES AS DOCTORS USE CANDLES TO OPERATE IN THE USUAL FASHION.

Why did he not show us the toilets and bathrooms of the facility? WHERE ARE THE LABS? . . .Abi Ajegunle residents dey forbid hospital gowns and supplies for hopitals? It does not take much to see through those images. In this day and age. . .ANY NEW FACILITY BUILT SHOULD HAVE PRIVATE WARDS/ROOMS. NO ONE WANTS TO BE SMELLING ANOTHER WOMAN'S ARZZZE OR BABY'S SHYTE IN AN OPEN WARD. . . especially when you do not know what kinds of diseases these low-income group residents have while pregnant! COMMON SENSE SIR! THEY ARE NOT SCREEEENED FOR INFECTIOUS DISEASES. . .ALL WE KNOW IS THAT DEM WAN BORN PICKIN. . . THE BEGINING AND END OF A WOMAN'S LIFE IN NIGERIA AND AFRICA!!!

Now, I could go on and on about this. . . but it would serve no purpose.
My darling husband leaves for Nigeria tomorrow. . . I need to give him some attention and GO BUY HIM SOME CONDOMS. . .if he will use them o! HE IS A NIGERIAN MAN.

Have a blessed week!

You arrive at this not by, visiting the place and obtaining care, but by sitting in front of your computer right?

This is madness.

Sinachay:

What exactly is your point?
First of all, you show us an old folk's home in the UK of all places with the most conservative of healthcare policies. . . however adequate.
In your lack of foresightness. . . you failed to realize that you were only helping my arguement.

With all these building you are showin us. . .DO YOU FORBID THEM IN NIGERIA?

You must be slow on the uptake if you don't get my point . This comment just shows you reason based on ignorance and uninformed assumptions :

First of all, you show us an old folk's home in the UK of all places with the most conservative of healthcare policies

My friend, stop clutching at straws and simply accept that , give or take, the pictures I provided are what hospital wards look like in the UK . I have had all my kids in the UK same goes for my Sister, brother and untold number of friends. Suffice to say I have seen many, many hospital wards all over the UK and they don't look substantially different to that in the Hospital Fashola is commisioning. Your criticism had no leg to stand on to begin with and you only look more insincere and possessing an ulterior motive if you cannot see that there is nothing particular wrong about the pictures we see ,especially in comparison to what obtains in the UK for example,  to support your attack against this Maternity and child healthcare Centre.

The article makes it sufficiently clear it is targetting catchment care as a way deliver better healthcare. It therefore makes sense these health Centre cannot look like the Hospital your "truth" telling buddy want it to look like before you can be convinced it is good maternity and healthcare centre.

The Ajeromi Maternal and Child Centre that we officially hand over for public use today is the fourth of its type that our Government has delivered to the public.

It is a 110- (One Hundred and Ten) bed specially designed hospital for women and children, as a decisive response to the problems of access and distance in the way they compound the indices of infant and maternal mortality.

Until your Government provided these facilities, women in labour who required special attention had to travel from Ikorodu, Isolo and Ifako Ijaiye all to Ayinke House in Ikeja.

Sometimes during this travel, complications occur in labour and the worst happens. We lose either the child, the mother or sometimes both.

Since we started building these centres, the story has changed. The incidence of death during labour has dropped significantly because the facilities in Ikorodu, Isolo and Ifako Ijaiye are serving their purpose.

This is g ettingfunny. SA as a country and lagos state are now on the sames scale. Thanks for the compliments.

What about SA as a country and nigeria as a country?   Are you now going to show us and compare what the federal government don build just like SA country?.


This is real comedy.  Lmao.

The Ajeromi Maternal and Child Centre that we officially hand over for public use today is the fourth of its type that our Government has delivered to the public.

It is a 110- (One Hundred and Ten) bed specially designed hospital for women and children, as a decisive response to the problems of access and distance in the way they compound the indices of infant and maternal mortality.

Until your Government provided these facilities, women in labour who required special attention had to travel from Ikorodu, Isolo and Ifako Ijaiye all to Ayinke House in Ikeja.

Sometimes during this travel, complications occur in labour and the worst happens. We lose either the child, the mother or sometimes both.

Since we started building these centres, the story has changed. The incidence of death during labour has dropped significantly because the facilities in Ikorodu, Isolo and Ifako Ijaiye are serving their purpose.

The gospel according to Fashola reporting.
If only your believe. . . the truth shalt set your free. Just have faith in 'his words'!
Look, I am not saying the existence of these makes-shift, maternal-child care centers do not make ANY differences in the live of the Ajegunle residents. My point is that. . . .THEY DESERVE BETTER! Simple!

Gbawe:

You must be slow on the uptake if you don't get my point . This comment just shows you reason based on ignorance and uninformed assumptions :

My friend, stop clutching at straws and simply accept that , give or take, the pictures I provided are what hospital wards look like in the UK . I have had all my kids in the UK same goes for my Sister, brother and untold number of friends. Suffice to say I have seen many, many hospital wards all over the UK and they don't look substantially different to that in the Hospital Fashola is commisioning. Your criticism had no leg to stand on to begin with and you only look more insincere and possessing an ulterior motive if you cannot see that there is nothing particular wrong about the pictures we see ,especially in comparison to what obtains in the UK for example,  to support your attack against this Maternity and child healthcare Centre.

The article makes it sufficiently clear it is targetting catchment care as a way deliver better healthcare. It therefore makes sense these health Centre cannot look like the Hospital your "truth" telling buddy want it to look like before you can be convinced it is good maternity and healthcare centre.

Sorry, you need to shed your colonial mentality.
About time your had your originality. . .a Nigerian originality.
You cannot be building hospitals after models in the UK of all places.
That does not meet the need of Ngerians. . .
Thank you!

Eko Ile:

This is g ettingfunny. SA as a country and lagos state are now on the sames scale. Thanks for the compliments.

What about SA as a country and nigeria as a country?   Are you now going to show us and compare what the federal government don build just like SA country?.


This is real comedy.  Lmao.

Indeed. It is tragic Nigerians love arguing with total ignorance that always ends up exposing their shocking lack of knowledge and ulterior motives . Sinachay and his co-traveller in Ignorance keep mentioning falsely that this Hospital was built by the red Cross when these ignorant chaps do not understand that the Red Cross memorial name is a honorary one and not an indication that the Red Cross built this hospital single-handedly . This hospital is a public Hospital, i.e owned and funded by the Government,  that was delivered through Public subscription. I will urge Sinachay and his sidekick to go and investigate what that means before they speak again to expose to the forum that their agenda consist solely of rubbishing the efforts of fashola even if they have to lie and provide nonsensical and logic-defying non-starter criticism to do this. Fashola , when the FG has not done such, is now supposed to build a Hospital to equal that built by the South African Government ? Ignorance + bad belle is an awful mix.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross_War_Memorial_Children%27s_Hospital

Red Cross War Memorial Children's Hospital in Cape Town, South Africa was opened in 1956 through public subscription as a memorial to soldiers lost in the Second World War. The suggestion that the memorial take the form of a children's hospital was proposed by Vyvyan U.T. Watson. Mr Watson, a prominent businessman, had lost his first born and only son, Peter Tennant Watson, at about four years old, to an outbreak of diphtheria in Cape Town. Mr Watson was a major force in steering the organization of the building of the hospital. The Peter Pan statue on the Hospital grounds, sculpted by Mitford Barberton, was donated by Mr Watson and his wife, Gwendolyn. Mr Watson was later President of the South African Red Cross Society. It is the only dedicated children's hospital in sub-Saharan Africa, and one of only a few dedicated children's hospitals in the Southern hemisphere.

The hospital has academic links to the University of Cape Town's School of Child and Adolescent Health, the University of the Western Cape Dental School and the University of Stellenbosch; it is regarded as South Africa's leading centre for post-graduate specialist paediatric medical and surgical training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_hospital

Public hospital
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A public hospital or government hospital is a hospital which is owned by a government and receives government funding. This type of hospital provides medical care free of charge, the cost of which is covered by the funding the hospital receives.

Eko Ile:

This is g ettingfunny. SA as a country and lagos state are now on the sames scale. Thanks for the compliments.
What about SA as a country and nigeria as a country? Are you now going to show us and compare what the federal government don build just like SA country?.
This is real comedy. Lmao.

Gbawe:

Indeed. It is tragic Nigerians love arguing with total ignorance that always ends up exposing their shocking lack of knowledge and ulterior motives . Sinachay and his co-traveller in Ignorance keep mentioning falsely that this Hospital was built by the red Cross when these ignorant chaps do not understand that the Red Cross memorial name is a honorary one and not an indication that the Red Cross built this hospital single-handedly . This hospital is a public Hospital, i.e owned and funded by the Government,  that was delivered through Public subscription. I will urge Sinachay and his sidekick to go and investigate what that means before they speak again to expose to the forum that their agenda consist solely of rubbishing the efforts of fashola even if they have to lie and provide nonsensical and logic-defying non-starter criticism to do this. Fashola , when the FG has not done such, is now supposed to build a Hospital to equal that built by the South African Government ? Ignorance + bad belle is an awful mix.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross_War_Memorial_Children%27s_Hospital


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_hospital

Even if the hospital was built as a public hospital and we misrepresented it as one built by the Red Cross. . .does that change anything here?
If the government of South Africa IN CAPE TOWN. . .can build such, why can't the government in LAGOS Nigeria do the same or the government in Nigeria in any other part of Nigeria for NIGERIANS? Cape Town can be compared to Lagos. . . South Africa. . .to Nigeria. So what is the problem here? Simple comprehension?
Must you always cut corners?
Please, next time. . .tell your Fashola to delegate this matter to women. . . HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS IN THESE MATTERS! THANK YOU! HIS IGNORANCE REALLY SHOWED THROUGH THOSE PICTURES. One more thing. . . HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO TASTE!!!!NO SURPRISES THERE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS OF BEING SIMPLY BUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSH!!!

No need to deviate from the main  points I am making.
The Nigerian government, including your Fashola is used to building SUBSTANDARD hospitals for NIGERIANS with ALL THE FUNDS ALLOCATED.
This Fahola's hospital of a mess is a disgrace by world standards. . . even by African standards. The pictures are worth a million words. . . No need to visit the facility. I hope no one I know finds herself or himself in ANY of those buildiings. Pleasssssssssssssse, MY GOD!!!!
QED!

Sinachay:



Sorry, you need to shed your colonial mentality.

Classic . When defeated with logic, play the colonial mentality card . Let me make it clear that no one is touting that Nigerian hospital must look like UK Hospital. The substantive point is that you deliberately mocked how this hospitial looked to suit your agenda of discrediting what has been achieved. What better way then to show that there is nothing wrong with this Maternity and Childcare health centre than to show you similar examples of Hospital wards from a nation (The UK) still reputed to have one of the best public healthcare delivery system in the world?

What you wrote below just shows the confused, convoluted and senseless arguement of a drowning man:

About time your had your originality. . .a Nigerian originality.
You cannot be building hospitals after models in the UK of all places.
That does not meet the need of Ngerians. . .
Thank you!

Abeg, can you show where I remotely hint that Nigeria should build Hospitals "after models in the UK of all places". Rather, is it not you and your sidekick who keep touting a South African Hospital as an example of what you wish to see before you can deem Lagos State's effort acceptable? Besides, are you not aware that hospital must first be primarily functional , as per delivery of healthcare, before anything else? If you appreciate this, you will see that what Fashola has delivered is an adequately functional hospital not different to others elsewhere in the world where we all know adequate healthcare is still being delivered.

Furthermore , your comment about "the UK of all place" just shows how wholly ignorant you are of possible solutions to Nigeria's problem. Whatever personal problems you have with the UK, keep it away from its public healthcare system (through its NHS scheme) that is lauded as one of the best in the world. The Nigerian Government should , because of the poverty of Nigerians, actually be looking at that sort of social healthcare provision model that means far more should be invested into caring for the health of Nigerians so that wellbeing, life expectancy and thus productivity of  citizens is not linked to private "cash and carry" care most cannot afford !!!!

I think Sinachay and Kobojunkie had it right and there is really nothing I can add other than a little comedic touch:

In the last scene of the movie, Amadeus, where Antonio Salieri is being wheeled away for breakfast, Salieri delivers one of the best lines in the movie when he mocked mocks himself and everything mediocre.

“Mediocrities everywhere: I absolve you. . .I absolve you”


This, here, is mediocrity.

Gbawe:

Classic . When defeated with logic, play the colonial mentality card . Let me make it clear that no one is touting that Nigerian hospital must look like UK Hospital. The substantive point is that you deliberately mocked how this hospitial looked to suit your agenda of discrediting what has been achieved. What better way then to show that there is nothing wrong with this Maternity and Childcare health centre than to show you similar examples of Hospital wards from a nation (The UK) still reputed to have one of the best public healthcare delivery system in the world?

What you wrote below just shows the confused, convoluted and senseless arguement of a drowning man:


Abeg, can you show where I remotely hint that Nigeria should build Hospitals "after models in the UK of all places". Rather, is it not you and your sidekick who keep touting a South African Hospital as an example of what you wish to see before you can deem Lagos State's effort acceptable? Besides, are you not aware that hospital must first be primarily functional , as per delivery of healthcare, before anything else? If you appreciate this, you will see that what Fashola has delivered is an adequately functional hospital not different to others elsewhere in the world where we all know adequate healthcare is still being delivered.

Furthermore , your comment about "the UK of all place" just shows how wholly ignorant you are of possible solutions to Nigeria's problem. Whatever personal problems you have with the UK, keep it away from its public healthcare system (through its NHS scheme) that is lauded as one of the best in the world. The Nigerian Government should , because of the poverty of Nigerians, actually be looking at that sort of social healthcare provision model that means far more should be invested into caring for the health of Nigerians so that wellbeing, life expectancy and thus productivity of  citizens is not linked to private "cash and carry" care most cannot afford !!!!

I only pointed out that we do not need 'open wards' for infection control reasons. . .ESPECIALLY IN A PLACE LIKE AJEGUNLE.
I have a problem with that part of the UK model of hospitals. . .you showed us in one of your links. It was acceptable to you. . . Not to me.
I prefer private rooms for mothers and children for privacy and infection control reasons. YES, WE CAN AFFORD THAT IN NIGERIA. Only if our so-called government would consult others like nurses, doctors and pregnant women to know what their needs are. Instead of acting as a 'Rambo' in these matters.
THERE IS EVERYTHING WRONG WITH OPEN MATERNITY WARDS LIKE YOU SHOWED IS IN YOUR UK MODEL. I have explained the reasons to you. If you don't get them. Too bad!

Where in this day and age do you find pregnant woman in an open maternity facility?

You are not a woman. . .so I don't expect you to understand these things!
When I mean the UK of all places. . . I mean the most frugal, austere and conservative model of health care. I have experienced a better model here in the US where human life comes FIRST before cost. Cost comes before human life in the UK. Emphasis is not given to preventive/routine care. You have to be practically symptomatic to get the attention of the NHS. Not acceptable by the standards I am accustomed to. No apologies.

It does not matter if the NHS system is used or not in Nigeria. . . not my call. I would not use it. . .or live there. Nigeria needs to find it's own model, according to the needs of Nigerians. Simple. Fashola did not do that!

This was his lone project. . . I doubt he consulted anyone. . . as usual. . .Nigerian style of government!!!

I am not satisfied with his project. . .if you are. . . Goodluck to you!

Pifa:


     
I think Sinachay and Kobojunkie had it right and there is really nothing I can add other than a little comedic touch:

In the last scene of the movie, Amadeus, where Antonio Salieri is being wheeled away for breakfast, Salieri delivers one of the best lines in the movie when he mocked himself and everything mediocre.

“Mediocrities everywhere: I absolve you. . .I absolve you”


This, here, is mediocrity.
   
   

Gbam!
Thank you jare!
One word sums it up!
Mediocrity!

I hope these dudes can understand this.
In 2012. . .we still have open rooms for lacatating women and screaming infants?
Other countries are striving to include fathers and relatives in a family-centered approach so husbands and wives can remain together till they leave the hospitals. . .dear Nigeria is giving us open view of come one come all to look at every persons business due to lack of privacy. Not to mention the spread of diseases with bodily fluid and all. . . .Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!

Sinachay:


Gbam!
Thank you jare!
. . .

I've seen this word, "jare", in several responses. What does it mean?

Pifa:




I've seen this word, "jare", in several responses. What does it mean?
   

"Jare" means

This word no get concrete meaning oo.

Thank God for small mercies, at least we have a health center that has been saving lives, next, we will tell Fashola to build them like the Sheraton and Nicon Hilton, on a side note, can anyone show us the ones Jonathan built in Bayelsa when he was governor or the ones built by Atiku in Adamawa.

Sinachay:


THERE IS EVERYTHING WRONG WITH OPEN MATERNITY WARDS LIKE YOU SHOWED IS IN YOUR UK MODEL. I have explained the reasons to you. If you don't get them. Too bad!

Where in this day and age do you find pregnant woman in an open maternity facility?

You are not a woman. . .so I don't expect you to understand these things!

I have to ask , what on earth are you talking about? "Open Maternity wards"? Does "Public" healthcare and budgets mean anything to you? With public healthcare, the emphasis is on everyone receiving effective and adequate healthcare. Private healthcare is all about receiving the care you pay for.

What actually happens in public maternity healthcare today in Britain is that pregnant women are in equiped private delivery rooms once contractions become very frequent and painful. The theatre will generally only be used for ceasarian and other complications. Mother and baby will then have use of the same private delivery room immediately after birth for a short while but it is important they leave for the ward so other pregnant women can have access to these delivery rooms.

If mother and baby are well enough, they will move to the ward ASAP and get a bed and hospital cot for the baby with curtain demarcation providing privacy. This "open maternity" ward is where mother and baby remain till they go home. I have experienced it myself personally and with friends and family countless times. It is adequate and effective healthcare for everyone i.e rich, middle class or poor.  Essential for you to know that giving birth in a hospital these days is now a 2-3 days experience no one wants to prolong . Those who provide the care want to ensure space is always available to provide continuous care while those who receive care want to go home ASAP. It is not a stay at the Ritz or Sheraton.

The problem is that you simply don't wish to grasp the notion of the difference between private and public healthcare. You cannot argue that practices in private healthcare must be used to judge what is seen in public healthcare. Doing so shows that you don't want to criticise leaders objectively and understand the budgetary constraints and limitations they are working with in efforts to provide healthcare for the public - especially when the "public" means circa 18 million individuals as is the case with Lagos,

Please. . . dun be alarmed. . . I had the "yooojuuual" asssident lassh night. . . for 'invasionarry privassshy' and too many off shore postage accounts. I hope you understand huh? The moderators and supa moderators invaded my privacy. . . I invaded theirs right back. No regrets! No apologies. . .will not hesitate to do it again. . . .I have handled those cyber riff-raffs with kid's gloves enough. . . the next time, I will go for the jugular. . . Arrrrrrrrrant nonsense.

Gbawe:

I have to ask , what on earth are you talking about? "Open Maternity wards"? Does "Public" healthcare and budgets mean anything to you? With public healthcare, the emphasis is on everyone receiving effective and adequate healthcare. Private healthcare is all about receiving the care you pay for.

[size=20pt][b]What actually happens in public maternity healthcare today in Britain is that pregnant women are in equiped private delivery rooms once contractions become very frequent and painful. The theatre will generally only be used for ceasarian and other complications. Mother and baby will then have use of the same private delivery room immediately after birth for a short while but it is important they leave for the ward so other pregnant women can have access to these delivery rooms.

If mother and baby are well enough, they will move to the ward ASAP and get a bed and hospital cot for the baby with curtain demarcation providing privacy. This "open maternity" ward is where mother and baby remain till they go home. I have experienced it myself personally and with friends and family countless times. It is adequate and effective healthcare for everyone i.e rich, middle class or poor. Essential for you to know that giving birth in a hospital these days is now a 2-3 days experience no one wants to prolong . Those who provide the care want to ensure space is always available to provide continuous care while those who receive care want to go home ASAP. It is not a stay at the Ritz or Sheraton.




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No problem here.
You are absolutely correct!
One question.
Soooooooooooooooooooo, which of these does YOUR Fashola intend to implement in these facilities?
Who is talking about Sheraton or Ritz 'treatment' of healthcare models?
This your UK model is adequate. . .and I will use it if I had to. It is safe.
I will NOT use those things in Ajegunle called maternal-infant units!
Yea! The operative word is 'adequate'! They are not adequate because YOU and I. . . plus FASHOLA cannot use them. Period!

mother and baby are well enough, they will move to the ward ASAP and get a bed and hospital cot for the baby [size=20pt]with curtain demarcation providing privacy.[/size]

In 2012 almost? In the UK?
I can understand the use of semi-private rooms with a 'curtain' partitioning.
Not a 'flea market' or 'swap meat' arrangement for more than 2 women and their infants with curtains all over the unit like a refugee camp for chrissakes!

Now, this is where I have a MAJOR problem with your argument.

[size=20pt]The problem is that you simply don't wish to grasp the notion of the difference between private and public healthcare. You cannot argue that practices in private healthcare must be used to judge what is seen in public healthcare. Doing so shows that you don't want to criticise leaders objectively and understand the budgetary constraints and limitations they are working with in efforts to provide healthcare for the public - especially when the "public" means circa 18 million individuals as is the case with Lagos. [/size]

I have criticized our leaders objectively sir!

The fact that the so-called leaders are disgustingly corrupt has absolutely nothing to do with 'budgetary constraints'!
These same leaders go abroad to fly their corpses back to Nigeria.
I can understand if these so-called leaders have had a 'history' of doing the right things, yes?
Have they?
NEGATIVE!!!

Public health has NEVER  been the priorty of the Nigerian leaders or THEY WOULD USE THE SAME FACILITIES THE PUBLIC USES!
Even if Obama does not go to Harlem to use the public health care facilities in NY. . .You would not find him coming to Nigeria for the best health care either.

If the so-called leaders thought the health care status in Nigeria was ADEQUATE, they would not prefer to fly in their dead bodies back to Nigeria in airborne caskets! Would Fashola or YOU as a Nigerian use these Ajegunle facilities?
If they are not good enough for YOU or Fashola. . .how can they be adequate?
They are not adequate. . . I WILL NEVER USE THEM. . . BY THE GRACE OF MY GOD. . .Only God and God alone is saving those women and children. . . NOT FASHOLA'S DEATH TRAPS. . .OF WHICH HE HAS POCKETTED 90% of what was allocated to those facilites.

THIS IS AFRICA. . . the wickedness and selfishness of the BLACK MAN/WOMAN knows no bounds!!!!


Those who have to use these make-shift facilities have NO choice LIKE YOU AND I.
Many have died in Nigeria for substandard  care. . . and where not so fortunate to fly to this your UK.

Ojukwu went to the UK and is returning in a casket . . . with all his money, fame and fortune!
Thank God he had reached his prime time. . . .
"All the king's men and all the king's horses could not put 'humpty-dumpty' who sat on the wall and fell on the floor". . . .!
Aka Jehovah!

Go figure!


On a final note. . . .It is ONLY GOD that protects NIGERIANS from the kind of health care set up in Nigeria. . . NOT the Nigerian government, If it were up to the nigerian government, MOST Nigerians would be dead!!!

5 years later, and we are still building makeshift hospitals . . . when do we get to building standard institutions then? 20 years down the road?

@Sinachay and Kobojunkie

I don’t think you are going to convince these guys that open wards in hospital design is a less-than-ideal layout for pregnant women in pre-childbirth, pre-labor, or even postpartum medical care. They are not looking at this through a scientific or logical lens.

It is a scientific fact that during pregnancy, a woman’s immune system is rendered slightly less effective compared to when she is not pregnant. Her immune system is lowered by her body so that her body will not reject the “foreign organism” that has just invaded it (yep, that is exactly how a woman’s body interprets pregnancy, for those of you who may not know). The slightly-lowered immune system tends to make pregnant women more susceptible to air-borne diseases than other times when they are not pregnant. Post-partum, women do regain the full effectiveness of their immune systems.

A hospital, even for people who are not pregnant, is one of the sickest places you could ever be. A crowded hospital is a breeding ground for pathogens that are happy have captive customers with whom they can do brisk business. Medical professionals sometimes advise pregnant women to avoid flying on airliners during the influenza season because the confined environment of an airliner is a large supermarket of airborne diseases.

The transmission of germs from patient to patient is one of the driving factors in designing hospitals with private rooms.

Sinachay stop acting like an enemy of progress.  Please dont compare Fashola to the Almighty.  Compare him to the alternative.  Please show us what Ohakim, Alao Akala, Gbenga Daniels, and Igbinedion did.  Show us what Fashola's peers are doing?  You are acting as if you have not seen pictures of General Hospitals all over the country.  Abeg go an sit down jare.  The man built a hospital that looks relatively modern and you are complaining. 

Yes what he built is not ultra modern but we must not forget that NIGERIA IS A POOR COUNTRY.  We must focus first and foremost on primary care.  Is the hospital Johns Hopkins University Hospital? No it is not.  Is it Emory Crawford Long Hospital?  Not it is not.  Just so you know, Emory Crawford Long Hospital in Atlanta cost Emory University almost $150 million to build (excluding cost of land).  That is over 22 billion naira.  Remember that the entire budget for Lagos is 450 billion naira.

Leave Fashola alone and stop sounding like a PDP stooge.

http://www.healthcaredesignmagazine.com/node/197

NIGERIA IS A POOR COUNTRY

Nigeria isn't a poor country, DanJohn. With all the oil wealth, I'm shocked people think so.
This story about Nigeria's poverty is simply what the politicians tell you so you can give them breathing space as they loot happily.

All this head ache over ordinary maternal center?

Poor Fashola, he should have built a golden palace and name it maternal center.

Pifa:

     
@Sinachay and Kobojunkie

I don’t think you are going to convince these guys that open wards in hospital design is a less-than-ideal layout for pregnant women in pre-childbirth, pre-labor, or even postpartum medical care. They are not looking at this through a scientific or logical lens.

It is a scientific fact that during pregnancy, a woman’s immune system is rendered slightly less effective compared to when she is not pregnant. Her immune system is lowered by her body so that her body will not reject the “foreign organism” that has just invaded it (yep, that is exactly how a woman’s body interprets pregnancy, for those of you who may not know). The slightly-lowered immune system tends to make pregnant women more susceptible to air-borne diseases than other times when they are not pregnant. Post-partum, women do regain the full effectiveness of their immune systems.

A hospital, even for people who are not pregnant, is one of the sickest places you could ever be. A crowded hospital is a breeding ground for pathogens that are happy have captive customers with whom they can do brisk business. Medical professionals sometimes advise pregnant women to avoid flying on airliners during the influenza season because the confined environment of an airliner is a large supermarket of airborne diseases.

The transmission of germs from patient to patient is one of the driving factors in designing hospitals with private rooms.
 
   

Have you read what others are saying or do you just want to comment because you have pitched your tent blindly? Who is suggesting open wards for "pre-childbirth" or "pre-labor"? Do you even know what a hospital ward functions as to understand that medical screening/treatment must precede the case history of those who eventually end up on an "open ward"?  

It is a shame Nairaland doctors have avoided this thread otherwise they will easily address the ignorance of some of you who speak because you think you are intelligent but are actually arguing out of positions of ignorance. Open wards are not cesspits of infection as you want us to believe . Everybody who goes into an open ward will have been medically assessed/treated before being admitted to that ward and it would have been established that they are generally safe to share space with others who are , ostensibly, without infectious diseases transmittable via air mainly.

It is no different to all of us riding on very crowded underground transport in our respective diasporan base where the assumption is that everyone is safe. Hospitals are even much safer because every sick patient can be assessed , upon admission as per presenting symptoms, and treated/isolated adequately while any of us may be standing next to someone with tuberculosis or swine flu on public transport !!!  

The ignorance you guys peddle to support your position is shocking. You think a person with, for example, Tuberculosis or any other air-borne disease just goes on a public ward? How simplistic !! Ask any African who even so much as presents with malaria symptoms in the UK !!! You will be isolated ASAP.  Proactive hospital care is more to do with documenting admission symptom/history properly and trying to obtain accurate diagnosis so that, in an entire hospital, people are always in the right place appropriate for their medical care/needs .

There is nothing , other than ignorance and a lack of knowledge about real medical care, that would make anyone think a private room for everyone in public healthcare , highly unfeasible in todays world , is the gold standard or that open wards are somehow inadequate. That is the height of ignorance considering that some of you should be bright enough to know that "open" ward , self explanatorily, indicates that everyone there is medically cleared to mingle "openly" with others in that ward same as we all interact with others when we go shopping, clubbing, dining out, etc , etc because we are deemed , by virtue of having no symtoms of illness or through securing curative treatment for an ailment, able to mingle with others "openly".  You guys talk out of total ignorance of healthcare procedures and all this is actually embarrassing. I can only conclude non of you have had kids or have even being in hospitals, in nations with decent health sector, that supply adequate healthcare to the general public. .

Ejiné:


Nigeria isn't a poor country, DanJohn. With all the oil wealth, I'm shocked people think so.
This story about Nigeria's poverty is simply what the politicians tell you so you can give them breathing space as they loot happily.

I beg to differ with you.  We have a population of 150 million and we produce 2.5 million barrels of oil a day.  Saudi Arabia has a population of 26 million and they produce 10.5 million barrels of oil per day.  Our economy and our government are too heavily depended on oil so much so that most of our state cannot pay salaries without federal allocation; and you are saying we are not poor.

Lagos state has a population of 18 million people and its budget is for the 2012 fiscal year is 485 billion naira ($3.01 billion).  If you compare Lagos with one of the smallest states in America, Delaware, you will realize that Nigeria is a poor country.  Delaware has a population of 894,000 and its budget for the 2012 fiscal year is $3.5 billion dollars.

We need to squash the myth of Nigeria being a rich country.  A state in America that is more than 18 times smaller than Lagos population wise still has a larger budget than Lagos (our economic capital). 

Once again I repeat, NIGERIA IS A POOR COUNTRY.


Oil Production
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html

Delaware Budget
http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Delaware_state_budget#FY2011_State_Budget

Lagos Budget
http://allafrica.com/stories/201111150721.html

Saudi Arabia Population
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sa.html

Delaware Population
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/10000.html

danjohn:

I beg to differ with you.  We have a population of 150 million and we produce 2.5 million barrels of oil a day.  Saudi Arabia has a population of 26 million and they produce 10.5 million barrels of oil per day.  Our economy and our government are too heavily depended on oil so much so that most of our state cannot pay salaries without federal allocation; and you are saying we are not poor.

Lagos state has a population of 18 million people and its budget is for the 2012 fiscal year is 485 billion naira ($3.01 billion).  If you compare Lagos with one of the smallest states in America, Delaware, you will realize that Nigeria is a poor country.  Delaware has a population of 894,000 and its budget for the 2012 fiscal year is $3.5 billion dollars.

We need to squash the myth of Nigeria being a rich country.  A state in America that is more than 18 times smaller than Lagos population wise still has a larger budget than Lagos (our economic capital). 

Once again I repeat, NIGERIA IS A POOR COUNTRY.


Oil Production
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html

Delaware Budget
http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Delaware_state_budget#FY2011_State_Budget

Lagos Budget
http://allafrica.com/stories/201111150721.html

Saudi Arabia Population
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sa.html

Delaware Population
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/10000.html

Well articulated

I saw a documentary on LINKTv some weeks ago, "Documenting Life and Death in Nigeria", and it was more than obvious that even though we like to claim the situation has improved, we are still light years away from providing the necessary solutions to the health care problem in the country. And the simple reason for this is because we pretend that creating these makeshift units all over the place somehow adds to solving, rather than compounding the situation. It hurt my heart that after so many billions of naira has been spent, we still have units looking like the one covered in the documentary considered MAJOR health care units.

http://www.linktv.org/about/blog/post/1125/documenting-life-and-death-in-nigeria-in-the-edge-of-joy

One compared Lagos state with Chicago. Chicago with just a population of 2.5 million passed a 6.7 billion dollars budget against Lagos state with a population of 18 million  and measly 2 billion dollar budget. Chicago is a developed city with existing infrastructure while Lagos state is basically starting from scratch.

Is it even possible to intelligently make a sane and rational comparison?


One of them compared Lagos state with the whole of SA, the most developed country in Africa against a small state in Nigeria.


I honestly do believe some of these shallow heads walk on their brains.

Are we now then suggesting that since Nigeria does not have Saudi Arabia's wealth(Lord knows any other country out there that does), rather than focusing the limited resources then on providing QUALITY healthcare, which it can definitely improve upon and build on in the future(saving money in the process), the country should instead focus on providing 'makeshift' sub-par clinics(which it will find hard to build ON considering the current 'makeshift' units were built to REPLACE/NOT BUILD ON yester-years 'makeshift' units and ideas, and on and on like that for the past 50 years)? Is that still what makes sense to those of you attempting to argue that Nigeria is poor?  

danjohn:

I beg to differ with you.  We have a population of 150 million and we produce 2.5 million barrels of oil a day.  Saudi Arabia has a population of 26 million and they produce 10.5 million barrels of oil per day.  Our economy and our government are too heavily depended on oil so much so that most of our state cannot pay salaries without federal allocation; and you are saying we are not poor.

Lagos state has a population of 18 million people and its budget is for the 2012 fiscal year is 485 billion naira ($3.01 billion).  If you compare Lagos with one of the smallest states in America, Delaware, you will realize that Nigeria is a poor country.  Delaware has a population of 894,000 and its budget for the 2012 fiscal year is $3.5 billion dollars.

We need to squash the myth of Nigeria being a rich country.  A state in America that is more than 18 times smaller than Lagos population wise still has a larger budget than Lagos (our economic capital). 

Once again I repeat, NIGERIA IS A POOR COUNTRY.


Oil Production
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2173rank.html

Delaware Budget
http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Delaware_state_budget#FY2011_State_Budget

Lagos Budget
http://allafrica.com/stories/201111150721.html

Saudi Arabia Population
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sa.html

Delaware Population
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/10000.html

So you used your comparison to judge that Nigeria is a poor country? What internal and external components did you use to come to your conclusion? Lagos has 18million residents with a fiscal budget of $3billion, you're right but the question is that Lagos hasn't harnessed or better yet the Gov. doesn't know how to harness it full potential of at least 1/3rd of the working population. Although I recognize his efforts, however, this I do agree with Kobo Pifa and Sinachay. This hospital doesn't represent a modern day 2012 hospital, we need innovation and ideological creativity in our modern times. Fashola is building things "for free", things cannot be free if you want the BEST QUALITY and INNOVATIVE, they can be very affordable.

Kobojunkie:

I saw a documentary on LINKTv some weeks ago, "Documenting Life and Death in Nigeria", and it was more than obvious that even though we like to claim the situation has improved, we are still light years away from providing the necessary solutions to the health care problem in the country. And the simple reason for this is because we pretend that creating these makeshift units all over the place somehow adds to solving, rather than compounding the situation. It hurt my heart that after so many billions of naira has been spent, we still have units looking like the one covered in the documentary considered MAJOR health care units.

http://www.linktv.org/about/blog/post/1125/documenting-life-and-death-in-nigeria-in-the-edge-of-joy

Why is this maternity center a make shift center? is it because they lack the necessary tools and skills to effectively deliver babies at this center?

Please tell us why it's a makeshift center since we all know the meaning of makeshift.