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Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by cyrexx: 12:15pm On May 22, 2012 |
@ enigma Meriam- webster dictionary defines a free thinker as one who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independently of authority; one who has rejected dogma, especially in religious thinking, in favor of rational inquiry and speculation. i wish we should not derail this thread and address the topic of this thread. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Enigma(m): 12:23pm On May 22, 2012 |
I have not derailed the thread. I know how "freethinker" is defined from various sources. The fact that an expression has been or may be hijacked does not mean that its fundamental and intrinsic meaning should be forgotten. Oh just like we know what the term "gay" now means! My post did not seek to prevent the ongoing discussion and only made a germane observation which I maintain: a true free thinker does not need anyone to prove the existence or non-existence of God to him. I am happy to leave things at that and let you continue your 'debate'. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Enigma(m): 12:33pm On May 22, 2012 |
@cyrexx Forgive me one more post before resumption of the debate. Do you realise that my little exchange with you has demonstrated how to ascertain a true free thinker? Look at this: for the definition of "free thinker" you needed a dictionary; whereas I didn't but simply looked to intrinsicness. Which one of us has demonstrated "free thinking"? Let me run away from here with the statement below. "A truly gay man can be a heterosexual". |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by cyrexx: 1:04pm On May 22, 2012 |
@ italo, i'm still waiting for ur reply, can you state the reasons why you are so convinced that God exists italo: |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Avicenna: 2:37pm On May 22, 2012 |
@cyrexx U don dey ID the trolls. Nice. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 3:02pm On May 22, 2012 |
@cyrexx, Sorry just a little more time. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by cyrexx: 3:23pm On May 22, 2012 |
italo: @cyrexx, thanxx, i'm very much around for you, not going anywhere. peace. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 3:48pm On May 22, 2012 |
@ cyrexx, I hope you are truly "open-minded" as you said and you remain so. I am not an expert in convincing Atheists on the existence of God... Because, I have never really cared what Atheists think. I usually just leave them to their faith because most of them, I feel, are not Atheists because they have not experienced God and the spiritual; they have, but still reject God out of pride. But I can tell you why I know God exists: I got to know God as early as I got to know myself... Because the most trusted people around me told me about him and took me to Church. From a tender age I believed in God, exactly as I was taught in Church. But, growing up, I went past the "believing" stage to the realization stage. I started to experience God just as I had been taught. I talk to God, and he responds, in an audible voice from nowhere a few times, other times, with signs - as I had been taught. I have seen the effect of living a holy life and the effects of living in sin. I have seen how God fights my cause when I'm powerless and helpless. I have experienced God reveal future events to me in dreams. I have seen God (the author of nature) suspend the laws of nature. I have seen a documentary of incorruptible saints and how scientists tested to find the reason those bodies refused to decompose...to no avail... And many other miracles like that. I have seen God, heard God, eaten God in the Blessed Sacrament. ...And I have seen the profound effect it has on my life. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by logicboy: 4:10pm On May 22, 2012 |
italo: @ cyrexx, I hope you are truly "open-minded" as you said and you remain so. Miracles have always been proven to be a hoax. Always. What is the name of this documentary? It |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by cyrexx: 4:20pm On May 22, 2012 |
@ italo, we are looking at the same situation from totally different standpoints. Yours subjective, mine objective. But sincerely, I wish God (if he truly exists) can talk to humans like you claimed. I want to believe you are being honest when you said God talks to you ( that you are not referring to some mental monologues and audio hallucinations that many people attribute to God). if He exists and he can truly talk to me too. the first 3 questions i will ask him is. why did he permit different religions on earth to confuse mankind about his identity.. why did he (according to the holy books) create a torture chamber to burn men forever without destroying them for not believing some things in the holy books that contradict themselves.(cos i dont want to believe He exists out of fear of hell, such a wicked god does not deserve any worship he gets). why did He neglect when people genuinely pray for relief from suffering and there is no answer from Him (this is based on personal experience). i hope one day he will talk to me personally (i.e. if he exists), answer my questions and dispel all my honest doubts about his existence. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 8:04pm On May 22, 2012 |
cyrexx: @ italo, It is already a subjective statement to say I'm looking at it subjectively. Its your own opinion and you have no evidence of that. God responds to people in different ways as I said earlier but it all depends on your relationship with him. Relationship with God is somewhat like relationship with man. Aren't there people you talk to and those you don't talk to? Sometimes its due to the way they talk or act with you. Let us imagine I told you there's a man that all powerful in Nigeria and can get you anything you want or take anything from you in Nigeria (though you are not sure of the existence of such a man). If I put you on the phone to someone, and I told you it was him, wouldn't you naturally be polite and humble before him? So it should be with someone who is genuinely seeking the truth about God. I say he created the world, almighty, he loves us and demands our worship. If you truly seek clarity on such a being, you must do so with utmost humility and open-mindedness. Trust me, I'm not a fanatic. Even I, who believe, used to wonder if those who said they heard a serene clear voice from nowhere speak to them, were just exaggerating. Until I heard it. Serene and clear like they always described. cyrexx: Be humble and ask God to reveal himself to you. The answer might not be immediate or audible, but God will reveal himself to you because he loves you as much as he loves me. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 8:43pm On May 22, 2012 |
cyrexx: @ italo, It is already a subjective statement to say I'm looking at it subjectively. Its your own opinion and you have no evidence of that. God responds to people in different ways as I said earlier but it all depends on your relationship with him. Relationship with God is somewhat like relationship with man. Aren't there people you talk to and those you don't talk to? Sometimes its due to the way they talk or act with you. Let us imagine I told you there's a man that all powerful in Nigeria and can get you anything you want or take anything from you in Nigeria (though you are not sure of the existence of such a man). If I put you on the phone to someone, and I told you it was him, wouldn't you naturally be polite and humble before him? So it should be with someone who is genuinely seeking the truth about God. I say he created the world, almighty, he loves us and demands our worship. If you truly seek clarity on such a being, you must do so with utmost humility and open-mindedness. Trust me, I'm not a fanatic. Even I, who believe, used to wonder if those who said they heard a serene clear voice from nowhere speak to them, were just exaggerating. Until I heard it. Serene and clear like they always described. cyrexx: Be humble and ask God to reveal himself to you. The answer might not be immediate or audible, but God will reveal himself to you because he loves you as much as he loves me. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Enigma(m): 10:05pm On May 22, 2012 |
italo: . . . . Be humble and ask God to reveal himself to you. The answer might not be immediate or audible, but God will reveal himself to you because he loves you as much as he loves me. Nice. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Enigma(m): 7:28am On May 23, 2012 |
^^^ To suport the above, here is one I made earlier Enigma: Yep, but we must first humble ourselves. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by mazaje(m): 8:43am On May 23, 2012 |
God revealed himself to me and he said his name is allah and mohammed is his last messenger. . . God exist and relies on italo to defend his "truth" and make his case for him,eh?. . .Is is not the same god that was said to be addressing the ancient jews true public speech in pages of story books, writing on walls, fightig along side them etc. . .God only revels himself in the pages of ancient story books eh?. . .Interesting. . . |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 10:17am On May 23, 2012 |
Enigma: ^^^ To suport the above, here is one I made earlier Very true |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by logicboy: 3:23pm On May 23, 2012 |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by emofine2(f): 5:05pm On May 23, 2012 |
Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? Whilst I believe that everyone has a right to their belief and I respect that, there seems to be a taboo amongst the “black” community concerning unbelief/atheism from my observation. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by logicboy: 5:06pm On May 23, 2012 |
emöfine2: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? Agreed. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 9:14pm On May 26, 2012 |
emöfine2: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? I don't think its necessarily wrong to believe that Atheism is a taboo; even some Atheists, "whites" especially, treat religion as a taboo to. Moreover, you just said "everyone has a right to their belief." What I do not subscribe to, is treating people of other creeds badly. Jesus certainly didn't teach me that; indeed, the opposite was what he taught. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 9:20pm On May 26, 2012 |
@ logicboy, I can't watch videos on my phone. Perhaps you could just type out what he said that you want to bring to my attention. emöfine2: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? I don't think its necessarily wrong to believe that Atheism is a taboo; even some Atheists, "whites" especially, treat religion as a taboo to. Moreover, you just said "everyone has a right to their belief." What I do not subscribe to, is treating people of other creeds badly. Jesus certainly didn't teach me that; indeed, the opposite was what he taught. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:39pm On May 26, 2012 |
ijawkid: HehehehÉ....kunta kinte..powerful answer! Atheism, christianity all from the 'white' homosapien |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:40pm On May 26, 2012 |
ijawkid:abi thank you bros ask am abeg |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:47pm On May 26, 2012 |
logicboy:ok since he shouldnt be jesus then are you ready to dump the white man crap and accept our juju for a change |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Nobody: 10:58pm On May 26, 2012 |
italo:logicboy see kwetion, answer logically |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Nobody: 11:47pm On May 26, 2012 |
@logicboy As for dreaming, we all dream. Do we not see our dreams? I can see mydream. End of story. i have read on this forum where atheist have reject an argument that is subjective, and here you are saying the prove of "the type" of dream you dreamt is known by you ONLY. Even the EEG/ECG machine cannot tell us WHAT was your dream, yet you people reject a subjective evidence of ones experience of God! |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 11:55pm On May 26, 2012 |
logicboy: Italo, I don't exactly know what you are trying to point out... "Atheists can go to heaven" What about that? |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Nobody: 12:19am On May 27, 2012 |
@italo this is wat the clip shows Moderator:will atheist go to heaven? Pastor: its none of my business Moderator: but you are an authority on this issue Pastor: certainly certainly (clapping of hands) stop The clip was just 18sec and i feel the pastor man has not finished explaining and it stopped. |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by italo: 7:48am On May 27, 2012 |
@ hisblud, thanks. Its even more confusing, what logicboy wants from this video... |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by vedaxcool(m): 7:53am On May 27, 2012 |
hisblud: @italo this is wat the clip shows What I don't understand is, is logicboy gunning for heaven, why should he keep on repeating the same video clip thread after thread? What does it prove? That atheism is good? I pity for him, I suspect inferiority complex could be one of the reasons he became an atheist, asking us to worship African gods seems to show the low intellect he thinks of others, why can't he worship African gods? What ever excuse you think stops u -logicboy- from doing such is also applicable to us, what if we turned around and say why do black people follow atheism to be accepted by white people? And I tell you all these we can provide evidence to support. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by Nobody: 9:59am On May 27, 2012 |
@vedacool it seems my guy (logicboy) is flip flopping and is finding more reason why he MUST remain an atheist but i wish he can choose atleast african juju and taste it |
Re: Why Do So Many Black People (including Nigerians) Believe In God? by vedaxcool(m): 10:48am On May 27, 2012 |
hisblud: @vedacool it seems my guy (logicboy) is flip flopping and is finding more reason why he MUST remain an atheist but i wish he can choose atleast african juju and taste it Lol yeah no wonder he invokes evolution, now is atheist can make it to heaven, what next? |
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