ijawkid:

Lol.........did Jesus die for 3days or not??....

Dodger per excellent.....

Pygru:

The danger of your message(Frosbel) is that you give a false hope to people who then turn from the Word of Life and take the path that leads to destruction.

frosbel: No one can answer this question :


If the dead in Christ are already with Christ, what is the purpose of the resurrection ? Paul says that both the dead in Christ and those who are alive will meet with Jesus and be forever with him at this second coming , not before.

If death is the hope of us Christians, what makes us different from the death cults who kill their members en masse so as to be with their creator in Paradise ?

Is death our hope , or is the resurrection our hope ?




The bible wins anytime, any day.

Pygru:

The danger of your message(Frosbel) is that you give a false hope to people who then turn from the Word of Life and take the path that leads to destruction.

frosbel:

I asked a question which has you all stumped.

My hope for life is in the resurrection not in death.

Jesus Christ came to defeat our enemy which is death and redeem us by his blood to an eternal hope through the resurrection.

Paul made it quite plain that if Jesus did not resurrect from the dead then the dead in Christ have perished and have no hope, resurrection is our only hope.

Stop hoping in death to meet Jesus, hope in the resurrection into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Stop, think and listen.

frosbel:

I asked a question which has you all stumped.

My hope for life is in the resurrection not in death.

Jesus Christ came to defeat our enemy which is death and redeem us by his blood to an eternal hope through the resurrection.

Paul made it quite plain that if Jesus did not resurrect from the dead then the dead in Christ have perished and have no hope, resurrection is our only hope.

Stop hoping in death to meet Jesus, hope in the resurrection into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Stop, think and listen.

frosbel: Bro.Alexeo , I dey wait ooo

Tell me :

If the dead in Christ are already with Christ, what is the purpose of the resurrection ? Paul says that both the dead in Christ and those who are alive will meet with Jesus and be forever with him at this second coming , not before.

If death is the hope of us Christians, what makes us different from the death cults who kill their members en masse so as to be with their creator in Paradise ?

Is death our hope , or is the resurrection our hope ?

Pygru:
Ogini
thread title -The Rich Man And Lazarus
Hell exist

ijawkid:

And you do know why there names weren't mentioned na...because it was a parable which ofcourse you and your cohorts won't accede to........and if only you had answered what those 2 men did that made them go to heaven or burn in HELL our discussion wouldn't have come this far......

I accept Jesus' teaching that he died completely for 3days which warranted his ressurection there after................

If I ask you wetin be holy spirit name you go begin mad for here...........

Keep wedging the RCC doctrine of the trinity.........when you are completely tired of been deluded you might start having a re-think.......

This night I am going to pray to God not to ressurect some people since when they die(that's if they agree that death is death) there spirit(which is another person) goes to stay with God.............

Pygru:
Ijawkid I'm interested in his Ressurection.
Pls did he ressurect wholy in the body which he died

frosbel:

If hell exists for the wicked after death then heaven also exists for the believers after death, and therefore the believers hope to be with the Lord is death and not the resurrection.

In other words we hope for life in death, the same scary belief people like the cult leader Jim Jones held on to, and which culminated in the deaths of hundreds of innocent adults and children.

I put it to you that the righteous will be resurrected to life to be with the Lord forever while the wicked will be resurrected to judgement and destruction.

For a true teacher of God like you, this should not be a difficult question, help your brother true2god , this is beginning to get embarrassing.

true2god: Sorry for the delay, had for preparefor tomorro. Thank u Frosbel for ur question. But b4 i ansa u i need to get something frm u. Do u believe that man is made up of the spirit, the soul and the body? Ur ansa to this questiion will determine my response.

ijawkid:

Have you answered frosbels questions??........engage in discussions rather than been a confused person....now you are even a female.....formerly you were a male...who am I even discussing with??.....

Go to the other thread I dropped the reply you wanted........

Pygru:
Pure truths like the one below
https://www.nairaland.com/1252257/facts-should-know-jehovahs-witnesses#15162836

TroGunn: Been away from this forum for some time. So, people still believe this eternal torment rubbish? That a God of love would torment people in fire, not for 10, 100 or 1000 years but ETERNALLY. And God will appoint Satan ( his enemy and opposer) as his Chief tormentor - Satan now doing God's work, abi?

[quote author=alexleo]

ok so he(ijawkid) is truly Jehova witness?

frosbel:

I believe in the Genesis 2:7 account of man's creation.

Can you kindly answer the straightforward question I asked you.

Thanks.

alexleo:

IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY REASONABLE THING TO SAY THEN CLEAR FOR ROAD. WE DIDNT NOTICE YOUR ABSENCE.

frosbel: While I do not agree with the JW on a fewdoctrines some of them significant, we stand together on some core Christian doctrines that your holier than thou perfect church cannot seem to decipher.
You cannot call them a cult, because the Apostolic faith church is a cult.
Come off your high horse and debate like an educated intelligent Christian, stop these childish tantrums, if you cannot take the heat why bother ?

frosbel: Bro.Alexeo , I dey wait ooo

Tell me :

If the dead in Christ are already with Christ, what is the purpose of the resurrection ? Paul says that both the dead in Christ and those who are alive will meet with Jesus and be forever with him at this second coming , not before.

If death is the hope of us Christians, what makes us different from the death cults who kill their members en masse so as to be with their creator in Paradise ?

Is death our hope , or is the resurrection our hope ?

true2god: U believe in the creation account of Genesis (God breath upon the mortal body to make it a living being or soul) and u dnt believe Paul's expantiation on the composition of man (as having a spirit, a soul and a mortal body). I will always take u vry deceitful. Reconcile the two accounts and i will ansa ur question. My anwerin ur question is never an issue, but i need to knw ur stand on the composition of man before i respond to u cos it will get u in understandin dat passage better (if truly u want to learn and not scorn at the gospel).

TroGunn:

But it's an unreasonable teaching, and alien to the Bible.

This is one of the most wicked lies against God. It portrays God in a way that drives people from worshipping him. Who really would want to worship such an obviously wicked God? From the level of badness in the world today, people clearly don't believe it. This teaching insults the Almighty in a big way.

Death ( absence of life) is the punishment for sinning, not eternal torture. And the dead know nothing, can feel nothing.

Romans 6:23 -- "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord".

Romans 6:7 -- "because anyone who has died has been freed from sin".

Ezekiel18:20 -- " The soul who sins is the one who will die . The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him".

Eccl 9:5-6,10 -- "For the living know that they will die,but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun". "Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom".

"Lake of fire" is not a place of torment- it's permanent destruction/removal - where there's no possibility of reversal. Even death and hell ( which really stands for "grave" ) will be permanently removed. All humans portrayed as being in fire is symbolic and denotes permanent death or non-existence with no possibility of coming back to life (resurrection) .

Rev 20:13-14 -- "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire".

All references to torment is not literal, but symbolic- else how would a drop of water quench thirst? This literal eternal torment teaching is annoyingly senseless.

Pygru:

John 8:44
New International Version (NIV)
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

Pygru:

The danger of your ( False prophets/teachers) message is that you give a false hope to people who then turn from the Word of Life and take the path that leads to damnation &destruction.

frosbel:

You have no clue or answer to my question which is why you have responded with a question to my question , this is a rather prideful way of side stepping my question.

Do I not deserve to have my question answered ?

Let me repeat it here , if the wording is difficult for comprehension let me know and I will endeavor to rephrase :

If the dead in Christ are already with Christ, what is the purpose of the resurrection ? Paul says that both the dead in Christ and those who are alive will meet with Jesus and be forever with him at this second coming , not before.

If death is the hope of us Christians, what makes us different from the death cults who kill their members en masse so as to be with their creator in Paradise ?

Is death our hope , or is the resurrection our hope ?

TroGunn:

But it's an unreasonable teaching, and alien to the Bible.

This is one of the most wicked lies against God. It portrays God in a way that drives people from worshipping him. Who really would want to worship such an obviously wicked God? From the level of badness in the world today, people clearly don't believe it. This teaching insults the Almighty in a big way.

frosbel:

How old are you ?

Contribute to this topic or your trolling will be highlighted to the mods.

You and alexo have contributed nothing to this discussion other than slandering , insulting and stalking the pro-lifers in this debate.

Pygru:
First answer his question