mej67:


When I was discussing expanding the economy, I was talking about the role of State, and not for me to be fed. I was precisely discussing the 'environment' -the enabling environment, Sir.


There is a fundamental flaw in your pitch and I fear it may not be fixed b'cos I read you as a theorist.

For the umpteenth time, we allow the State to drift when we fail as a people in the role of civil society in shaping government action. We cannot leave them alone. We have to be part of policy debates, public presentation of draft statutes, public finance and appropriation reviews, etc. That is is how it works best.

In your first post, you said you failed to see the most essential ingredient being the role of the individual (You and I). I left it because it was unfortunate that you failed to see it in the ensuing act of engaging in debates that is capable of transforming public policy. If we had progressed to discuss rural development, perhaps the next commissioner for rural development could pick a few points.

But you chose to debate out of context. That is what, in the olden days, was termed op. Now op, especially here means original poster. I actually meant the old "out of point"

Now if you wish to switch the discussion to how individuals can excel, fine, but it is a different topic and I would most likely take a different pitch than asking Enugu kids to emulate Ford or George Soros when we lack the enabling investment plank form.

With hope that you will retool and refocus on what will be beneficial to very many, can we now discuss "the role of government which IS TO PROVIDE ENABLING ENVIRONMENT". Or would you, in your usual character, say it is entirely up to me? Retool and the discussion will become useful. How can government perform its role, which is, to provide the right environment for private enterprise to thrive? How can next government in Enugu State improve the overall competitiveness of the State in the global market place? And lets see whether the answer will be macadamized thoroughfare and patachy, overpriced made in China traffic lights basically dumped on hapless ignorant people whom you wish to continue to be ignorant so that the fleecing of our commonly owned wealth will continue endlessly.

kmariko:


Keep shifting the goal post ...I tell ya am good with it.
So remind me again your policy stance or your proposal on the enabling environment that should be implemented in your state Enugu. I read and reread your post but couldn't find any.
Please indulge me again so that we can delve into the nitty gritty of your proposal.
Lastly I was reminded in elementary school that individuals make up a village,town,city,country and it does not take all of them to shift the course of their place of abode...its on you, me anyone out there. We the people are the government not some ghost.

Waiting for your policy debate.

Thanks and be well

mej67:


Boy O' boy, you are good with it. I didn't say that.

Fine, I'm happy I got you where I wanted you.

First, I stated that it is unforgivable for people to come to this form todefend Enugu government on the basis of smallness of federal allocation it recieves. I called it a self-inflicted injury. I stated it and you highlighted it, the steps to be taken to grow the State's economiy, in pracyical terms, as has been seen to work in Anambra State, just nearby.

Second, I concurred with a position taken here that the current governments total neglect for the rural areas was suicidal and that an integration of our rural economies to the mainstream should be central to the State's development strategy. And that I have some thoughts (real go-to-market ideas) we could begin to share here and now.

what say ye

kmariko:


Still waiting to read your policy proposal

mej67:
yes, Centje. I should be grateful that you obliged me a reply. And I appreciate how you cooled down to lay it on me without any harsh word. Thank you.

Truth, I have been guilty of using rather uncouth words here and I regret that. I admitted such early and sought and obtained reprieve. I have also no been spared. I have one pending on Spyder's in tray to adjudicate and do the needful, I am still waiting. So, I hereby, once again offer my unreserved apologies for unruly e-behaviour

Everything else said is noted and appreciated.

I will very humbly comment on the following, nonetheless:

-"Don't think I've forgotten who you are. You're a die-hard loyalist of chimaroke nnamani, and..." Truly I don't mind the label. No probs. Keep it for me, I embrace it because it doesn't really hurt anymore.
Question really is, why is it that anybody who does not agree with the mainstream position is immediately labelled? Now it is Chimaroka, which< i am happy to admit, ka anyi na aga n'iru. The other day it was Ekweremmadu. Once you criticise Chime, phew, you are Chimaroke, you are Ekweremmadu. Know ye all that some people cannot be carried by the mass dose of propanganda, really meant to hoodwink and take attention away from the core issues. Fine I accept the label. Just know finally on this point, that name-calling and labelling are variants of .... you know what.

-"If Chime was an average nigerian politician, with his power of incumbency..." Yes, definitely, Chime has proved that he is a below average politician

- by Cjrane: I usually remind all that Enugu is about the poorest state in Nigeria in terms of federal allocation.... I believe Enugu must give attention to the rural areas. I have already give CJrane a hot thumbs up. It is for the spirit of the engagement -that we should share ideas about the raised issues. I have taken a firm position here that it is retrogressive to continue to defend Enugu based on the little allocation so-called. Enugu should grow its economy, kpom kwem. Lagos is a model and way to go.

Goodman, I wish you sweet dreams and that you wake strong and happy

Btw: Forget the way I tackle people on issues. Its usually to charge the debate. Deep down, I am as soft as a stuffed fluffy teddy

mej67:



"[i] I take it to mean coal, right? Why can't you touch it? Play by the rules of the land, Anambra floated an Oil Company, not only got allocation of oil well right in the State but also got approval fro refinery. Are you there? Float a power plat, request for rights to your coal, dig it up yourself and sell power to fed government. How does that sound?"

Sure you've seen that before:

Actually, a policy stance to harness the State's areas of comparative cost advantage -Energy (coal/gas) and agro-based economy (agriculture and agro-allied)

These two areas could have been uplifted in the last eight years, which had the highest oil revenue. Apparently, talking about the fast-fading latest oil boon in Nigeria, Enugu has squandered that "little" thing it gets on fancy -a non-regenerative urban beautification that has no end. All we have to show is painted and re-paved Enugu City centre (Emene no follow o!). I had thot people with little have more sense.

kmariko:


Please sir that is not a policy..please.

Here, I do not want to make any presumptions on your thought proces but it will help if you can in your own words first define what you understand is an enabling environment as concerns governance and how that relates to your State. It is then and then only can one understand your policy proposal to enhance this environment which you"deem non existence" in your state.

mej67:


The only assurance I can give you here is that you cannot bamboozle me. waa wa. You will only make a big fool of your self.

Now, what do you understand by policy, In this context public policy?

And please don't dance back to the generic "enabling environment" talk. It is general. I am coming to specifics. You see when I said I read you to be a theorist, i wasn't wrong.

kmariko:


Sir once again , venting is not a policy,complaint is not a policy,and last but not the least insults are not policies.

In simple terms define what you understand by policy and we go from there. Forget "enabling environment" for now.

Thanks and be well

mej67:
So pick out policy from above and tell me what it is to you and why a stance to pursue an Energy-based economy and agro-based econmy are not policies

mej67:
.. And Kmariko sir. When you say " your State", I can condone that you patronise me (just ka okwu na aga). But is important we delve into specifics. Don't escape soon by saying your discussion here is about a "generic" or hypothetical State. We are here for Enugu (Enugwu).

I have the infrastructure policy of Enugu State as detailed as is available in the 4-point agenda and Enugu State Vision 2020 documents. Yes I do

allcomage:
I was exposed to motivational books early in my life and one thing all of them teach is to lean on the positive aspect of life.Therefore,for me, i always dwell on the positive side of everything be it setbacks, religion,ethnicity,culture or whatever and it has impacted on my life positively.Coming from a minority tribe, i have always been associated the with igbo,have them as friends through schools and eventually married one.i observed there is always this subtle moves everywhere be it in government,educational,corporate,tribal and religious circles to dim their light but for their resilience.They represent the good,the bad and the ugly just like any other nationality.It is a tribe either you hate to love or you love to hate.Unarguably they have become the face of Nigeria going by my encounters with foreigners in my travels. They become agents of change in any environment they habit.Since the ObJ second coming, few achievements recorded have Igbo as the main driving force:banking,telecom,nafdac,sports,debt/foreign reserve etc.They now have the largest pool of technocrats in the country given their resurgence in education.They are gradually encircling Nigeria despite all efforts to keep them away from the highest office in land.over 50% of Nigeria liquidity is their hand leaving the remainder to over 300 ethnic groups.My recent trips to southeast was an opener,there is aggressive economic resurgence not witnessed in other parts of the country.Dangote trucks are allover the place hauling cement .I suppose entrepreneurship is the way to go and the Igbo have chosen the right part.A prophet may not be accepted in his own country but the world is taking note of Igbo.My in laws kwenu!

mej67:
the next team i Enugu should focus on.

Above repeated, Plus geniune rural development stance anchored on legislating a true locality administration framework.

You see, I don't mind your drilling , Not at all.

Btw. The 4-point agenda and Enugu vision 2020 have all that, just that Chime chose run on a narrow gauge. Pick out the 4-point agenda and lets see how many of the 4 points have been touched

kmariko:


Sir I have not gone into specifics yet , will get there.
Again, please since you have read their policy, Where are the deficits in there infrastructural policies and what could have made it better in other words what would you have changed.

Sir policy does not equal implementation.

We will get to implimentation once we understand what policies YOU would have proposed as regards infrastructure in the first place.

all4naija:
I am not feeling good looking at the images on this thread. They are ruining my eyes! Jeez!

centje:
Spyder880, thanks a million for the pictures. Please, spyder, there's a spot opposite IMT gate, at the hill top, facing the liberty estate and also facing IMT, you can get aerial views of enugu. I enjoy those views whenever I pass there. I think your fans here will love it too.

mej67:
I need to catch some sleep. No work today but Church thinz. When i come back I see whether we have agreed to agree or agreed to disagree. Any which way, I am game.

And Spyder, pls don't mind those asking you to kick me out of this board. I believe it makes it more wholesome. So that Jews(those who like to watch photo album) and gentiles (those who want dept beyond macadam), like the lion and the hyena can coexist in peace as is in African savannah. Its nice gisting with you all

mej67:
I need to catch some sleep. No work today but Church thinz. When i come back I see whether we have agreed to agree or agreed to disagree. Any which way, I am game.

And Spyder, pls don't mind those asking you to kick me out of this board. I believe it makes it more wholesome. So that Jews(those who like to watch photo album) and gentiles (those who want dept beyond macadam), like the lion and the hyena can coexist in peace as is in African savannah. Its nice gisting with you all

mej67:


Ok o.

First, policy stated can differ from policy being implemented. I agree with you.

Would it not be an academic exercise to begin to critique the written policy when we know that the true reflection of policy stance is action. In other words, for someone who is not versed with the documented version, all he can say is what he/she sees practically and in Enugu State today it is Enugu urban core road network and ancillary infrastructure. 9th mile (very little), Oji (none), Nsukka (very little), Agani (none), Emene (slight). All hinterlands of Akpawf, Nkereffi, Ibite Olo, Oghu, Awha, nothing nothing

BuddahMonk:
Gee am inviting you to our Anambra thread, there is this debate going on between us and our people about the need for our government to ban okada and other sundry issues we are trying to sort out there, i will love an unbaised outsider to say something about it.

NB: Some people will not welcome your suggestions overthere, its normal just like your being opposed here, dont worry the names they will call you there, they willl attack and abuse you but do not bulge, majority are behind you to make an indepth analysis of the state and her economic outlook aswell as what the future hold.

Will provide you will all the necessary info, we will argue and disagree with you when you come but we want someone to cut us some slacks, we need Anambra from an outsiders point of view, dont bulge when my people start feeling uncomfortable with your assertions and criticisms abeg.

Check Anambra thread and join the disquo.

mej67:
Chime's urban beautification programme, to be is too elaborate, too expensive and has not allowed the government to achieve good grades in other very important and strategic areas. But the sad part is, it is not being executed with frankness. 9th Mile and Emene are part of Enugu but you see horrible sites just 3minutes drive from the fringes of the Enugu City centre, why?