Also common is schizophrenics who hear the voice of god talking to them and telling them to do all sorts of things.

How is anyone sure that all those prophets from Moses up to St Paul etc we’re not raving schizophrenics?

MaxInDHouse:


Yes they can return for sure if JEHOVAH abandon His people!

Return from where?

MaxInDHouse:


JEHOVAH'S treatment of Egyptian and the way He brought the Israelites out of Egypt to walk on dry land through the red sea is enough warning message to all the Canaanites that the Almighty God is coming with the Israelites.
That's why Rahab of Jericho took side with JEHOVAH! Joshua 2:9-10

So He has sent a warning message ahead even a nation in Canaan used discernment to secure their own place they are called the Gibeonites! Joshua 9:3-21


Calm down and learn about the Holy One of Israel JEHOVAH!

So that was a warning. They were not even walking straight to Canaan according g to the bible but going round and round in circles for 40 years. Yęyę wanderers led by a yęyę yhwh.

What about the people that yhwh could not drive out because they had iron? Is yhwh that feeble that he cannot withstand iron? So Ogun is greater than yhwh.

MaxInDHouse:


The first sentence i'll translate in English:

"Èṣù, do not devastate my life please do that to someone else"

There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon ?

MaxInDHouse:


Please don't start arguing with insults remember how politely you came into the discussion!

MaxInDHouse:


You still have a long way to go but tribalism won't allow you see clearly.

You talk of arguing with insults. You asked if I was a tribalist I said I’m not a tribalist. Yet you continued to call me a tribalist as a way to delegitimise my points.

You didn’t even address any of the points I was making just carrying your goalpost from here to there in a bid to avoid an honest discussion.

First you started with a lie. You said that the oriki of Esu says that he shouldn’t devastate one but he should devastate another. That is a lie.

The oriki says , “ma se mi, elo mi ni ko se.” Literally in Yoruba that means don’t do me, do someone else.

‘Se mi’, ‘do me’ is very different from devastate me.
YET it is yhwh that claims to devastate people. And it is proud of the devastation it wreaks.

It is incredibly fascinating to see how yhwh’s victims often resort to projecting the vile character of themselves and their ghoul deity onto others.


YHWH boasts of lying and devastating people and yet you want to blame that on Esu.

MaxInDHouse:


When you talked about elephants were you referring to all elephants or you attributed what some did to quantify their specie globally?

I’m talking of the entire species of elephant. I’m sure some are more intelligent than others just as some humans are more intelligent than other humans.

It is demonstrable that there are many highly intelligent species which puts the lie to your claim that yhwh only created one intelligent specie. I’ll leave the lying bible out of this point though because at least this time your claim is not biblical.

To be continued

MaxInDHouse:


You're deceiving yourself!
A righteous God must have punishment for evildoers!
23

And for the children of evildoers and the children’s children of the wrong doers.

That one sounds like justice to you?

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ there is no creature that's 0.000001% close to man, but if you want to contest this just point to one achievement of any other creature on this planet.

BOW! BOW!! BOW!!! Before the one and only true God: JEHOVAH the Bible's Author, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

He said man was created in the image of the Maker and only man can create things that are stronger the elephant!

You tell me the achievement of man that is so wonderful and I’ll see if I can’t name another species that can do it and even better. There are humans living in the Amazon forest, naked, no big buildings, close to nature, no modern technology. Are you suggesting that those ones are not intelligent or they were not made in the image of God?

I don’t know why you are ululating ‘Jehovah jehovah’. Is something paining you? You don’t even know his name sef, you just conjecture that it’s Jehovah.

MaxInDHouse:




That's to teach His worshipers that those demons are still hanging around, any rebellious act against the true God will attract condemnation and the demons will return !

So you don’t think that giving demons goats will make them return? Return from where sef? Where did they go? I thought they were in their domain.

MaxInDHouse:



He has sent a warning message but those demons deceived their worshipers to death!

Where did you read that one now o? Abi na personal revelation? When did yhwh send warning to canaanites and when did the bible say the demons deceived their worshipers.

MaxInDHouse:

The one and only God who came from nowhere and singlehandedly delivered people from slavery is the true God!

So he came from nowhere and only him waka from nowhere go Egypt. Because his domain is nowhere no wonder he is so jealous and thieving.

That must be what Jesus meant when he said birds has nests, foxes have holes but the son of yhwh had Nowhere.

MaxInDHouse:


The first sentence i'll translate in English:

"Èṣù, do not devastate my life please do that to someone else"

There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon for mischief.

Talk about devastation, no mythology or religion has a deity that likes to devastate as much as the filthy demon called Yhwh.

Isaiah 24
1Behold, the LORD will empty the eartha and make it desolate,
and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest;
as with the slave, so with his master;
as with the maid, so with her mistress;
as with the buyer, so with the seller;
as with the lender, so with the borrower;
as with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered;
for the LORD has spoken this word.

MaxInDHouse:


I love this!

Note that the God of Israel has told His people that they will not be numbered:

"I will certainly deal well with you, and I will make your offspring like the grains of sand of the sea, which are too numerous to count.’” Genesis 32:12

So lesson learned: Satan took permission from God before tempting King David just as Satan took permission to tempt Job {Job 1:7-12} for Jehovah to grant it {Job 1:10} then Satan could act as if it's Jehovah who spoke to David!

In reality Satan was granted the chance to tempt David due to David's blunders! 2Samuel 11:1-27

You are just lying outright now and making things up.

Numbers 1: 19
18and on the first day of the second month they assembled the whole congregation and recorded their ancestry by clans and families, counting one by one the names of those twenty years of age or older, 19 just as the LORD had commanded Moses. So Moses numbered them in the Wilderness of Sinai:

So God told Moses to number Israel and he did.

Where does the bible say that Satan took permission from God to tempt David.? It says Yhwh tempted David and that Yhwh was synonymous with Satan. That Yhwh IS Satan. Satan tempted David.

MaxInDHouse:


Can you point to just one advancement in the way these creatures live their lives because man has achieved a lot just as the Bible God claimed when He said:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth" Genesis 1:26

Only man is intelligent to the point of driving away any creature if the location is suitable for living, and man has developed technology that no other creature could do 0.000001%

This is the indisputable proof of what the Bible God claimed: He created man to become like Himself ~ Creators/inventors of new things!

https://baanchangelephantpark.com/elephant_post_17

this video in the link is particularly interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5sFxcxoy3Q

I don't know what you mean but man has achieved a lot. The planet is being destroyed due to the activities of some humans. There are humans though who engage in these so called advances, like many of the tribes in the amazon forest. They even walk around naked which exposes the lie in your bible that they were ashamed of unclothedness and yhwh clothed them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBbFnU5ITuM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RiHTSXK2A

MaxInDHouse:


The Author of the Bible only focus on a nation (Israel) but when it comes to how all other nations get their deities this Author gave us clues if we want to know the truth {John 8:32} note how this God journeyed all the way to Egypt to free His people without a military force? But any nation can also fabricate such a story so i focus on realities that's common everywhere to compare to what this Author is saying.

So there is no mention of Yoruba deities in the bible as they only focus on Israel ba? You lied when you said the 'fallen angels' in the bible refer to Yoruba deities. then this your God that journeys from somewhere all the way to Egypt to free his people, does that mean he has his domain too, and he traveled from there to Egypt. So he too is like the fallen angles that you described who have carved out domains for themselves.

The God of Israel demanded that His worshipers should present two live goats before Him, one is to be sacrificed to Him on the spot but the other to be escorted outside the land where the former deities occupying that domain has been driven after their worshipers has been exterminated! Leviticus 16:7-10

He even receives sacrifice just like any other lesser deity. He even sends a share of the goats received to his fellow demons in the wilderness. Even those those demon's worshippers had been exterminated in a heinous act of genocide instigated by himself by his followers. See the devilishness of the character?

From this recorded event i learned that the God of Israel knows that despite He being the Creator those demons have the right to that domain as long as their worshipers are loyal to them. That's why He warned His own worshipers never to invite those demons back because they will be roaming around since they've been misplaced from their domain! Deuteronomy 18:9-13

You're talking about of both sides of your mouth now. Those demons received their goat because they have a right to their domain as long as worshippers are loyal. However you said the worshippers were exterminated so why is yhwh still sharing goats with them?

MaxInDHouse:



Can you back the highlighted with the Bible?

2Samuel 24:1

1Again the anger of the YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army,a who was with him, “Go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and number the people, that I may know the number of the people.”

1Chronicles. 21:1

1Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, “Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan and bring me a report, so that I may know their number.”

MaxInDHouse:


There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon for mischief.

This is false.

MaxInDHouse:


At least you agree with the common phrase so use the Bible to get the clear picture:

And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

Man is the only intelligent being created to live on this planet {Genesis 1:26-28} all other intelligent beings are aliens!

Odu Ogbe Ofun:

Ogbe f'ohun fun olohun
N o f'ohun fun olohun.
Babalawo oba lo difa fun Oba
Oba ntorun bo wale aye.

translation- Ogbe give the thing back to the owner of the thing
I will not give the thing back to the owner of the thing
The babalawo of kingship divined for kingship
Kingship was coming from heaven down to earth.

Abeg which angel that did not keep it's place in heaven is called Kingship.

What is obvious is that you do not understand the rhetorical device that is used in Ifa to explain the emergence of a phenomena.
It is also obvious that you do not understand the bible that much either.


Man is not the only intelligent being on this planet. Elephants have a very high level of intelligence and so dolphins. Even more intelligent than some humans.

Maynman:


I said “previous president” not “previous president of Nigeria”.
Who was the previous holder of “president”?, then we look for previous holder of “ruler of the sky.”

President of where?

MaxInDHouse:


If you will like the Bible because that's the book that's revealing all the secrets that fallen angels have hidden from people for long!

The bible is a big book. Can you not specify which passage exactly speaks of the Yoruba deities and how they took over certain domains?

MaxInDHouse:


If you're tribalistic surely you will not feel comfortable knowing that the god your ancestors worshiped is a demon. But the Yorùbás have what is called "ORÍKÌ" through which each person knows his or her origin.

Just meditate thoroughly on the ORÍKÌ of Èṣù i'm sure you will know why Àjàyí Crowder used that name for the spirit referred to as Satan the devil in the Bible!

I'm not tribalistic so I'll be alright, thanks. Please furnish us with the Oriki of Esu and. then. explain the. parallels with Satan.

The spirit referred to. as satan in the bible is also referred to as Yhwh.

Maynman:


They are generic titles.
Who was the “previous president”?
Or you want to delve into yoruba mythology?

The previous president was Goodluck Jonathan. The current one is Buhari.

The question was for those that claim olorun is only a title. who was the previous holder of the title?

MaxInDHouse:


NO! Note that through divination those worshiping these demons have told you where they came from:

"Látìkọ̀lé Ọ̀run wá síkọ̀lé ayé"

Please, which verse in Ifa or any divination lore said that?

"Látìkọ̀lé Ọ̀run wá síkọ̀lé ayé", is a common phrase in Ifa text. It is used to refer to the origins of absolutely everything. We will hear of when Scissors left from heaven to earth. We hear of when money left from heaven to earth. we hear of when telephone left from heaven to earth.

What is referred to is the process of creation. Every created thing is brought from heaven to earth. Orun in this case reads more like potentiality. Everything makes the journey from potentiality to actuality. That's how some people interpret it to English.

MaxInDHouse:



Each takes over a territory station there and start demanding worship from the inhabitants in his domain. The truth is that all of them were former dwellers in heaven (Ọlọ́run) who has no business with the inhabitants of the earth apart from the Grand Creator who has the right to set standards for mankind.

Olú-Ọ̀run simply means the one having authority in heaven and we know that Alayé means one has authority on earth, of course Alayé are countless though they know their ranking! Mark 1:24

Please can you provide references for the claims you make above.

Maynman:

If olu-orun simply means the one having authority in heaven, and alaye means one has authority on earth, that means olu-okun(ruler of seas) and olu-osa(rulers of lagoons) are just titles like olorun(ruler of sky) and alaye!


And alaye doesn’t even mean one who has authority of earth, or you mean olu-aye?

If these titles do not refer to specific beings but to a title then many beings can succeed each other to the title. My question is, Who was the previous Olorun before the current Olorun? How long does the tenure as Olorun hold for?

MaxInDHouse:


Meanwhile Àjàyí Crowder got it right, Èṣù is Satan and his rendering of Gehenna as Ọ̀run Àpáàdì is the best, if you're ready for a open-minded discussion on those topics i'm always available here.
Cheers!

I would love a discussion about whether Esu is Satan. I posit that Esu is not Satan. What are your reasons for thinking that he is?

DeepSight:


I thank you for your several attachments and references all the same.

Deepsight sir, have you considered that many People here on Nairaland may have mental health issues?

I believe that she refers to the Satanic verses.

DeepSight:


I doubt this. Where do you get this from? This is one of the things Islam shouts most about against Christian ideas of "God the Son."

HedwigesMaduro:


Olorun means "owner of the heavens". It's a title, not a name. It means God. Olokun is also a title that means "owner or king of the seas".

Yahweh means 'I am who I am'. Unless you are not who you are you too can call yourself Yahweh Abi?

Tokunbo means 'from overseas'. However would it make sense for anybody coming from abroad to call him or herself tokunbo when there are people using that as a personal name.

The fact that a name has meaning doesn't change the fact that it is a personal identifier for specific individuals. It is a very disingenuous trick these foreign invaders are playing by distorting and misappropriating the names of Yoruba deities.

I'm waiting for them to say Jehovah is Olokun after all...

Isaiah 51:15 I am the LORD your God, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of hosts is his name.

Maynman:

Olorun is another name for olodumare, the yoruba god.
God is a title not a name!

Don’t forget we have olokun too, is that also a title or a mythological figure in yoruba mythology?
And also esu is not the same as Devil/satan!

HedwigesMaduro:


"Olorun" is not a name, it's a title. It's like saying people should not call Him God because people worship some other god.

If it is just a title that means that another he can be deposed and another being can come and take over the title.

Babinski:


Eledumare or Olodumare comes from the phrase "O ní odù mà rè" meaning "the owner of the source of creation that does not become empty," "or the All Sufficient". It is clearly a descriptive title and not a specific name for the Supreme
y.

What is Odu in Christianity? Does it exist? Is it not an Ifa concept?
Does Christianity also have 16 Odu?

what nonsense! Tokunbo is a name. It is descriptive too. Bolaji is a name. it is descriptive too.

Yahweh is a name. It is descriptive too. it means "I am who I am".

There is a reason why there is no shrine or ritual worship of Edumare. Such worship is accorded only to Orisha and lesser beings.

Lesser beings such as Yhwh who requires sacrifice, has rituals, has a priesthood just like any other lesser deity.

In meeting superior religion the Hebrews later tried to separate yhwh from these lower rituals hence they later developed ideas such as the Ein Soph. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Sof

The Yoruba in fact do worship and address Edumare but not ritualistically. It brings me to tears to see how far my people have come from any knowledge of themselves and of their spiritual knowledge.

Traditionally when we wake up we make Iba. That is obeisance.

For example:

Traditional Mojuba


Iba Se Olodumare Oba a rere "k" aye (Reverence to God that spreads all over the universe)

Iba Se atiyo ojo (Reverence to the dawn of the day)

Iba Se atiwo oorun (Reverence to sunset)

Iba Se ile ogeere a f' oko ye ri (Reverence to Mother Earth)

https://sites.google.com/site/theyorubareligiousconcepts/suyere-prayers/mo-juba-iba

The link is in case you think I'm. making it up. Yoruba don't do anything without praying to Edumare, without acknowledging without making Iba.

Everything you do should be done in praise of Eledumare, he is above ritual and formula and cultic worship. Live your life in worship of Edumare.

Stop equating that stupid ghoul with anything in Yoruba religion.

Babinski:


Eledumare or Olodumare comes from the phrase "O ní odù mà rè" meaning "the owner of the source of creation that does not become empty," "or the All Sufficient". It is clearly a descriptive title and not a specific name for the Supreme God.

Historically, the Yoruba worship Olodumare through the agency of the orisa; thus there is no image, shrine or sacrifice made directly towards Olodumare, who is more or less aloof from the people. As such there is hardly any specific characterization of Olodumare by the Yoruba people.

It is easy to translate Olodumare or Olorun into the Christian God for the Yoruba without much confusion albeit the Christian God brings God much closer to the people with a hand in the affairs of the people as opposed to the removed afar concept of Olodumare being aloof from the people in Yoruba belief system.

Yahweh is a specific name and not a descriptive name or title. I do not see how anyone can equate God much less Yahweh to the Big Bang. The Big Bang is an event and not an entity.

DeepSight:


Olodo. Enslaved, mindless, robotic, colomental capital olodo.

kilo fa gbogbo eyi nisin?
mindless lohun lohun