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Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Babysho(m): 12:23am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Namdio: Thanks for further proving my point? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Namdio(m): 12:28am On Oct 25, 2022 |
uche40: First, yes (but more on that later). Second, I just had a point of view I wished to share, thought it was cool. So back to the first point. Yes, I think Atheism is a religion, though not in the traditional sense of a supernatural god who they worship. An atheist's god is facts and figures. They don't believe in supernatural and mythological gods, but they believe in facts and figures. A lot of atheist will say, they'll believe you if you can prove it with facts and figures. A lot of religious people will only believe you if it agrees with their religion. Show it to them within the confines of what they believe and you've got them. Some, Atheist consider themselves better than others because they don't believe in things that can't be proven, but ignore the fact that there's a lot of evidence all around. A lot of religious people consider themselves better because they refuse to believe in facts when the facts speak for themselves. Belief in nothing, is still believe. If I could prove to you empirically that God exists would you believe? |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Namdio(m): 12:32am On Oct 25, 2022 |
uche40: Answering this question involves you doing something a lot of atheist find hard doing. You'll have to accept that contradictions exist and that they are part of life. Yes, he does, because for him you have already made the choice. No, because you haven't made the choice yet. And this is both at once. He both knows and doesn't know, because you both have and have not made the decision |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by emmypsv(m): 12:45am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Bro o don't problems with you being an atheist but there are proves..take a trip to Jerusalem nd see for yourself |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by kingxsamz(m): 12:46am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Namdio:What's that? |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Namdio(m): 12:49am On Oct 25, 2022 |
kingxsamz:Universal Declaration of Human Right |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by kingxsamz(m): 12:59am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Namdio: Man, what are you saying? You're saying a lot of words and a lot things for a simple case. You're just compiling different words without addressing the main issue. How can you be called "good" when you are omniscient and you go ahead to grant the wish of someone who will end up killing a child? you're talking about rejection and bunch of other stuff that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. How can you know the future and everyone's decision but still go ahead to ask a man to murder his own child? What kind of sick test is that? Address my point and leave out unnecessary details, or should I call them sermons? |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by kingxsamz(m): 1:04am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Namdio:And no, being omniscient means you know everything before it happens, even what will happen 50 years from now. What time and day someone will die. Knowing the end of a particular course of action is something even humans are capable of. If your god can't tell what actions one will take then it's not omniscient. |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by kingxsamz(m): 1:05am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Namdio:And what's bad about that? |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Boldtrust(m): 1:06am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Sneakytoucher: That is unphilosophical and self defeating. There is no MORAL without the MORAL GIVER. So, how do you come about morals without God? |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 1:51am On Oct 25, 2022 |
If the moniker could be captivating, just imagine the rest... mariahAngel: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by suicidesheep: 2:28am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Asour: You don’t need to quote bible for me, I’m sure everyone knows that line What’s makes you think only God is good? Because Jesus said it in one line in the Bible? It’s just like when Moses called himself the meekest man in the Bible. Their opinions are irrelevant in todays world |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 2:55am On Oct 25, 2022 |
People ain't blind na, it's expected. Lollittaa: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by uche40(f): 2:56am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Namdio: Please, do tell me more. This discussion just got interesting. Namdio: Before we continue, I want to remind you that this discussion we are having is framed in the context of the existence, as well as the worship of supernatural creator deities commonly addressed as gods. As I mentioned earlier, I'm looking at what is logical, and more importantly -- factual, not what might/could be. ================================= Now, let us look at some standard definitions of Atheism: atheism /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/ noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. The above definition is Oxford's. Observe the bolded phrase. Atheism is defined as LACKING belief. A Theist would say: I have a belief in the existence of God. An Atheist would say: I don't have a belief in the existence of God. Here's another definition from the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy: "The term 'atheist' describes a person who does not believe that God or a divine being exists. https://iep.utm.edu/atheism/ A person who "does not believe" can also be said to be "lacking belief" in the existence of a God or gods. In both events, belief is absent. Consider this entry from Britannica: Instead of saying that an atheist is someone who believes that it is false or probably false that there is a God, a more adequate characterization of atheism consists in the more complex claim that to be an atheist is to be someone who rejects belief in God for the following reasons (which reason is stressed depends on how God is being conceived): https://www.britannica.com/topic/atheism...of-atheism Atheism begins when one is skeptical of claims made by God believers that there exists an undetectable supernatural creator, who willfully interacts with the world he created (theism in a nutshell). There are many kinds of atheists, but this is the singular idea that binds them all together. If you reject belief in something, then it simply translates to you not having it. Just in case the picture isn't clear to you yet, let's look at one common definition of Theism -- which is the opposite of Atheism: theism /ˈθiːɪz(ə)m/ noun belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. Theism. A-Theism. The prefix a- signifying absence. A-theism: without-belief in the existence of a God or gods. Therefore it doesn't even qualify to be called a belief system, talk less of a religion. ================================= Now, given that the singular idea unifying atheists is their "lack of belief" in a God or gods, it then becomes absurd to posit spurious arguments such as: "An atheist's God is fact and figures". Sorry dear, but atheism is not synonymous with worshipping facts or figures. Have you met the spiritual atheists? They may reject theistic gods who are claimed to interact with humanity such as Yahweh and Allah, but they also believe in stuff like Karma -- and there's no facts or figures supporting such phenomenon. It's a BELIEF. Namdio: For the record, when something is established to be factual by virtue of the provision of empirical evidence, it ceases to be a matter of belief and becomes a matter of knowledge. Take for example, the phenomena of thunder and lightning. In the ancient times, thunders were believed to be growling noises made by the gods because they were angry and throwing tantrums. It was a natural assumption to make because nobody really knew why thunders occurred, so the ancient people created myths to explain it alongside other "supernatural" occurrences at the time. But now we know that thunders are a result of atmospheric instability and other processes involving the buildup of electricity in moving clouds, the nitty gritty of which you can source from any reputable scientific journals on the internet. Namdio: It's easy to claim there is evidence of something. The issue is actually presenting it. Mind you, no rational or honest individual can deny hard empirical evidence when it is presented before him/her. For instance, you'd find it mighty difficult to catch two people arguing that if you throw a cup out the window, it will just float in the air and won't go down. Everybody knows that gravity and its effects are real. As for the bit about atheists considering themselves superior to others, I think that's an amusing statement you made. I usually hear it from Christians when they get locked into an argument with an atheist and they've manoeuvred themselves into a corner where they have nothing to say. I can't deny that humans generally are competitive in nature. We just are. We want to look and feel better than others. Personally, I can't help but feel better than a Christian when I hear him/her discussing ridiculous things like a talking donkey, or a talking burning bush etc. while keeping a straight face . If you've met any atheist who seems like a bully with a chip on his shoulder, I'd say you should blame his ego on the Christians or God believers surrounding him. Think about it. These are people who believe that the entire universe, as gargantuan as it is, was made for them alone. The narcissism and entitlement of theists cannot be evidenced in more glaring fashion. They identify themselves as children of the Most High, All Powerful, Wondrous God, who rules over the entire galaxy. From their oh-so-glorious pedestal, they look down on atheists and spit on them, condemning them to be unfortunate simply because the atheists reject the truth. You have others looking at him with pity. To them living without God is like living on the streets with no food or shelter. Here comes Evangelism and Proselytizing. The Christian wants to "save" the atheist and win him to Christ. The truth is that lack of belief of God never occurs to most atheists as they carry on their daily lives. What you see is simply feedback of atheists being heckled by Christians in their families, schools and offices. Understandably, the atheists can't make any sense out of the outlandish claims made by the religious adherents, and then the gauntlet is set and the request made: Show us the evidence. The average theist doesn't have any. All he has are speculations, logical fallacies, appeals to emotion, No True Scotmans. The more seasoned theists who encounter atheists in discussions more often weave decent arguments using sophistry and circumstantial evidence, which sounds smart to the ears, but is insufficient in proving many of the claims made by theistic religions. Namdio: That's a weird idea. I fail to relate and/or see how a person can think himself better than somebody else because they reject facts. I think I get what you were trying to say but you put it in a very simplistic manner. To the theists, any fact that doesn't tally with the teachings or doctrines of their Holy Bible is false, irrelevant and at best, misleading. God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. - Romans 3:4 Their Bible is the ultimate source of all things "true". One need look no further than their collective crusade against the Theory of Evolution. Then you have the flat-earthers. Have you ever wondered how many scientific facts exist that Christians believe in -- which directly contradicts their holy book? I think that's an important question right there. Namdio: No, that's just a badly dressed word salad. And I'm not hungry. Namdio: Which God exactly? There are many gods you know. |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 2:58am On Oct 25, 2022 |
I know how you feel. Thankfully, a few years ago, I was not actively seeking a relationship, so it wasn't a real issue. You may still meet people who are religious that you would like to have a relationship with. They are most likely not going to be as willing, ceteris paribus. However, keep an open mind. Not everyone is as religious as we sometimes think is the "norm". My advice: - the atheism, and religiosity are not fundamental to your existence, or the existence of your possible spouse. - be open to have a multi religious home - seek like minded people but do not artificially limit yourself. NeckingNgulping: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 2:59am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Even "ashawo" get "big god". Peterrio: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by suicidesheep: 3:00am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 3:00am On Oct 25, 2022 |
All cities have sizeable non religious people. For some girls, especially upper middle class and up, they have to remain religious while unmarried and/or in Nigeria. Ballzproblemm: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 3:01am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Went through if, I don't think he blamed "god" for the lack of eligible atheist or atheist-open women in his life. He's got to open his mind, eyes, and groups to fulfill his goal of being equally yoked. Lollittaa: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by suicidesheep: 3:01am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Namdio: This is you just uttering rubbish to try and prove a point 3 Likes |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by suicidesheep: 3:02am On Oct 25, 2022 |
emmypsv: What proofs are there in Jerusalem?? The Palestinian and Israeli conflict?? |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by invectives(m): 3:05am On Oct 25, 2022 |
NeckingNgulping:Baba go find Winch Marry!!! |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 3:05am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Off mic sir. Add these to your repertoire (if not already there): - if God is all knowing, then why does evil exist? - if God knows everything is predetermined, then he has no free will. - does God call us to salvation, in which case one's lack of salvation is God's fault; or do we have to take the step to salvation: in which case we are responsible for salvation, not god's mercy... uche40: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 3:06am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Love to see Nigerian atheists. kingxsamz: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by cooooooks(m): 3:07am On Oct 25, 2022 |
I give you 5 years: you will leave the religion. Please, I beg you, READ AND STUDY the bible, the historicity of the bible, etc. Namdio: |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Dioceseofoyo: 3:08am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Dliquidmetal: When you learn — something holds those thoughts and things you learnt. Now, do you have a brain? Yes you do. Can you see it? No you can't. But is it functional? Yes. Can you prove it's functional? Yes! Intelligence. |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Dliquidmetal(m): 3:17am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Dioceseofoyo:fallacy of faulty equivalent lol You can't compare my brain to a supernatural deity who's supposed omniscient but you actually did compare it. My brains existence and functionality can be proven and it could be physically seen if the condition necessitates it,whereas the same can not be said for your god or any gods. |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by uche40(f): 3:26am On Oct 25, 2022 |
Namdio: Sorry. Can't do that. Contradictions are grammatical anomalies where a person claims that A is B and A is also not B. It's like me telling you that the owner of this forum is alive, and he is also dead. My assertion has no truth value, and is therefore bereft of any form of sense. You are seeking to create two mutually exclusive events and insist that they are actually all-inclusive. Well, I'm not buying. It's a cop-out. Plain and simple. I asked you if God knows what I'll have for breakfast this morning and you answered below: Namdio: I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Free will is a logical contradiction. God is either omnipotent, or he's not. He's either omniscient, or he's not. You didn't answer my question. You just dodged to run away in silence but you knocked over a lot of stuff on your way to still bring my attention to you. To prove the absurdity of your logic, let's imagine you in a party with your guys. You are talking to them. They're responding to you. There's communication. There's interaction. So you obviously exist. Can you simultaneously claim that you don't actually exist? That you can shake hands with your guy and not shake hands with him at the same time? Contradictions can only exist "verbally". I can say that my shoes are purely black, and they are also purely white. However, my claim does not represent the true reality. In fact, you may start to question my sanity if I ever said such to you in real life. |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by uche40(f): 3:49am On Oct 25, 2022 |
cooooooks: I'm not a guy sha. 1 Like |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Djamel(m): 4:14am On Oct 25, 2022 |
dhardline: Oh! You think thoes rules were created by God. It's just what's morally right. I'm an atheist doesn't mean I don't know sleeping with a dog is bad,if not for anything,the diseases I can contract. Or stealing my neighbours property is bad. As human grow and evolve,we tend to find a balance of what's right and wrong to live in harmony with ourselves. The law that holds every person in a country isn't born out of religion,it was ,out of the fact that humans needs organisation and coordination |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Asour: 6:24am On Oct 25, 2022 |
suicidesheep: Jesus is NOT Moses though. |
Re: My Experience As An Atheist In The Dating World. by Theunbothered: 6:52am On Oct 25, 2022 |
VULCAN: Don't humans kill themselves everyday? Weren't Abraham and David praised for killing people? 1 Like |
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