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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by TV01(m): 11:23am On Oct 16, 2014
bukatyne:
Except a woman hits a man first, I see no justification for physical abuse.

bukatyne:
Can you please type in English? Thanks in advance
There's nowt wrong with my English or my grammar.

The problem is with you statement, which was both unthinking and unchristian. I'll break it down for those who have comprehension problems;

A woman hitting a man first is already physical abuse. To say a woman hitting a man first justifies (his) physical abuse is to say her hitting him is not abusive - the unthinking part of your statement

To say a woman hitting a man justifies him hitting her is base. Not only should nobody (either sex) be laying hands on anyone else, even if hands are laid on you (and particulalry a man), showing restraint and maturity by not retaliating (leaving if you have to) is much better - the unchristian part of your statement.

Clear?
Or do I have to start providing adult education up in here cheesy!


TV

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 11:34am On Oct 16, 2014
TV01:



There's nowt wrong with my English or my grammar.

The problem is with you statement, which was both unthinking and unchristian. I'll break it down for those who have comprehension problems;

A woman hitting a man first is already physical abuse. To say a woman hitting aman first justifies (his) physical abuse is to say her hitting him is not abusive - the unthinking part of your statement

To say a woman hitting a man justifies him hitting her is base. Not only should nobody (either sex) be laying hands on anyone else, even if hands are laid on you (and particulalry a man), showing restraint and maturity by not retaliating (leaving if you have to) is much better - the unchristian part of your statement.

Clear?
Or do I have to start providing adult education up in here cheesy!


TV

First Mr. Christian,

Insulting me in your response is 'unchristian' and very provocative. You could have just reworded your post directed at me or explained yourself like pickabeau1 offered to do

When you are ready to converse with me, kindly reword this post I am quoting.

Thanks

P.S.: We Yorubas have a proverb which can be loosely translated thus 'everybody can be mean/evil, we just decide not to be'.

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by TV01(m): 12:00pm On Oct 16, 2014
bukatyne:


First Mr. Christian,

Insulting me in your response is 'unchristian' and very provocative. You could have just reworded your post directed at me or explained yourself like pickabeau1 offered to do

When you are ready to converse with me, kindly reword this post I am quoting.

Thanks

P.S.: We Yorubas have a proverb which can be loosely translated thus 'everybody can be mean/evil, we just decide not to be'.
First, please stop your your whining - it's unbecoming of someone of your advanced years - abi you never come of age? grin

Second, there is no insult anywhere in my response - and nothing as snide as your initial response;
bukatyne:
Can you please type in English?Thanks in advance
If you didn't understand - which you didn't - or couldn't comprehend - which you also didn't, a response such as; "I don't understand" or "I don't get your point" would have sufficed. Your comment was rude and impertinent, and provocative! In future, don't make war chants if you can't stand the heat of battle.

Thanks for calling me Mr. Christian - or where you being your normal shrewish self grin?

And please get over yourself, I didn't post to converse with you, merely to correct you.


TV

**and don't think your attempt to dodge the questions by attacking my character instead of addressing the content went unnoticed** cool!

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by crackhaus: 12:07pm On Oct 16, 2014
Lol.

Na wah grin
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 12:18pm On Oct 16, 2014
TV01:

First, please stop your your whining - it's unbecoming of someone of your advanced years - abi you never come of age? grin

Second, there is no insult anywhere in my response - and nothing as snide as your initial response;

If you didn't understand - which you didn't - or couldn't comprehend - which you also didn't, a response such as; "I don't understand" or "I don't get your point" would have sufficed. Your comment was rude and impertinent, and provocative! In future, don't make war chants if you can't stand the heat of battle.

Thanks for calling me Mr. Christian - or where you being your normal shrewish self grin?

And please get over yourself, I didn't post to converse with you, merely to correct you.


TV

**and don;t think your attempt to dodge the questions by attacking my character instead of addressing the content went unnoticed** cool!


You cannot comprehend simple posts or you are itching to 'rinse' someone today?

Was I interested in conversing with you either? Me whine because of you? You must think yourself more important than you really are cheesy

Next time, keep your unsolicited 'correction' to yourself and if you do not like or agree with my posts, waka pass like I always do when I see your posts.

Hopefully, I expect you to get the message this time.

When I need advice, I know where to go to.



SMD undecided

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by TV01(m): 12:22pm On Oct 16, 2014
crackhaus:
Lol.
Na wah grin

I blame you sef angry
When she claimed you were not "conversant with the bible on that "sickly child" type thread she opened you didn't deal with her well well. Maybe I should go there and continue her rinsing grin!


TV
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by crackhaus: 12:37pm On Oct 16, 2014
TV01:


I blame you sef angry
When she claimed you were not "conversant with the bible on that "sickly child" type thread she opened you didn't deal with her well well. Maybe I should go there and continue her rinsing grin!


TV
Lol...

To be honest, my knowledge of the Bible is not at par with that of a Theologian or a more spiritual/religious person, but I do have an understanding enough to detect when someone is misinterpreting scriptures.

As for the thread, if the one you're referring to is on that topic she started on love, marriage, and submission...she's yet to reply a question I directed at her regarding 1Cor 13.
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by TV01(m): 12:42pm On Oct 16, 2014
crackhaus:

Lol...

To be honest, my knowledge of the Bible is not at par with that of a Theologian or a more spiritual/religious person, but I do have an understanding enough to detect when someone is misinterpreting scriptures.

As for the thread, if the one you're referring to is on that topic she started on love, marriage, and submission...she's yet to reply a question I directed at her regarding 1Cor 13.
I was mentioned so I went to look see.

But I saw where she snidishly asked for "certain people" to stay away, so I didn't post, just followed.

As ever, she couldn't draw a crowd. As ever she posted some rubbish posts, and as ever, when you asked her a pointed question she couldn't answer, she got all "spiritual", snidish and went on the attack.

I think I should put her on todays menu - chopped liver grin. What sayest thou?

TV
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 12:46pm On Oct 16, 2014
crackhaus:

Lol...
To be honest, my knowledge of the Bible is not at par with that of a Theologian or a more spiritual/religious person, but I do have an understanding enough to detect when someone is misinterpreting scriptures.
As for the thread, if the one you're referring to is on that topic she started on love, marriage, and submission...she's yet to reply a question I directed at her regarding 1Cor 13.
TV01:


I blame you sef angry
When she claimed you were not "conversant with the bible on that "sickly child" type thread she opened you didn't deal with her well well. Maybe I should go there and continue her rinsing grin!


TV

LOL! @ sickly thread. Thank God you had the common sense not to post anything there.

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 12:49pm On Oct 16, 2014
TV01:

I was mentioned so I went to look see.

But I saw where she snidishly asked for "certain people" to stay away, so I didn't post, just followed.

As ever, she couldn't draw a crowd. As ever she posted some rubbish posts, and as ever, when you asked her a pointed question she couldn't answer, she got all "spiritual", snidish and went on the attack.

I think I should put her on todays menu - chopped liver grin. What sayest thou?

TV

You are one hell of a guy. I am just shaking my head.

I asked moca to edit her post but obviously she did not.

You think you are the only one good with insults eh?

Glory to God cheesy

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by pickabeau1: 12:49pm On Oct 16, 2014
bukatyne

That thread had potential but it seems u lost interest
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by crackhaus: 12:52pm On Oct 16, 2014
bukatyne:


LOL! @ sickly thread. Thank God you had the common sense not to post anything there.

@crackhaus, is it not funny how you are not conversant with the Bible and still you know misinterpretation when you see it.

I said my knowledge of the Bible may not be at par with a Theologian or someone more religious/spiritual.
Does this mean I'm not conversant with it?
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 12:54pm On Oct 16, 2014
pickabeau1:
bukatyne

That thread had potential but it seems u lost interest


The love and submission thread?

I saw a lot of theories flying around and I decided to address it

If a poster is interested in thread, I will engage and that's it.
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by pickabeau1: 12:55pm On Oct 16, 2014
bukatyne:


The love and submission thread?

I saw a lot of theories flying around and I decided to address it

If a poster is interested in thread, I will engage and that's it.


Yes the same thread

Some of us took time to respond after the initial gif rain
But you did not make a rebuttal or acknowledge any point
Just "thanks"

Since then...nothing

This is not the first time i mentioned this
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 12:56pm On Oct 16, 2014
crackhaus:

I said my knowledge of the Bible may not be at par with a Theologian or someone more religious/spiritual.
Does this mean I'm not conversant with it?

I apologize on inferring that and will modify my post to that effect

However, I am not interested in responding to your posts, thanks
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 12:57pm On Oct 16, 2014
pickabeau1:


Yes the same thread

Some of us took time to respond after the initial gif rain
But you did not make a rebuttal or acknowledge any point
Just "thanks"

Since then...nothing

This is not the first time i mentioned this

Are you sure?

I will go back and check; I thought I addressed all the points you raised.

My apologies cheesy
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by pickabeau1: 12:59pm On Oct 16, 2014
bukatyne:


Are you sure?

I will go back and check; I thought I addressed all the points you raised.

My apologies cheesy

No worries... I really had hopes for it.. since it will be based on scriptures and not anecdotal

A thread can only thrive when there is a healthy debate and the OP brings angles or themes for further dissection
If the OP runs away.. na die be that
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 1:00pm On Oct 16, 2014
pickabeau1:


No worries... I really had hopes for it.. since it will be based on scriptures and not anecdotal

A thread can only thrive when there is a healthy debate and the OP brings angles or themes for further dissection
If the OP runs away.. na die be that

Run ke?

Creating and typing the posts in that thread took me quite a while cheesy

I responded to a guy who did not come back.

Will check
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by crackhaus: 1:06pm On Oct 16, 2014
TV01:

I was mentioned so I went to look see.

But I saw where she snidishly asked for "certain people" to stay away, so I didn't post, just followed.

As ever, she couldn't draw a crowd. As ever she posted some rubbish posts, and as ever, when you asked her a pointed question she couldn't answer, she got all "spiritual", snidish and went on the attack.

I think I should put her on todays menu - chopped liver grin. What sayest thou?

TV
Yesterday was her birthday so maybe just put her on a waiting list or something. grin

Bukatyne, you and I both know you're fond of making snide denigrative comments directed at anyone you don't share an opinion with.
You did it to me on your thread when you implied I wasn't conversant with the Bible hence I shouldn't know what the discussion was about, it was this comment that prompted my going back to scrutinize the verses you put up.

You did the same thing on this thread when you made this comment:
bukatyne:
Can you please type in English?

Thanks in advance
But when he responded in a likewise manner, you cried foul.

I'm just saying though, no hard feelings...

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by crackhaus: 1:13pm On Oct 16, 2014
bukatyne:


I apologize on inferring that and will modify my post to that effect

However, I am not interested in responding to your posts, thanks
Why?
Have I been one to use insulting or degrading words on your person in any of our conversations on NL?
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by TV01(m): 1:13pm On Oct 16, 2014
bukatyne:
You think you are the only one good with insults eh?
No, not by a long shot - but I'm way better at it than you cool!

crackhaus:

Yesterday was her birthday so maybe just put her on a waiting list or something. grin
Really? Happy birthday Bukatyne. Many happy returns. What would you like?

1. Anti-wrinkle cream
2. Middle-age spread reducing juice
3. Attitude adjustment pills
4. An extended deluxe rinsing
5. Peace

Choose wisely grin!


TV
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by aderonila18: 4:01pm On Oct 16, 2014
Nairaland family section has gone to the dogs undecided it's the same trolls that go around all threads and turn it into gender debate. Something must be missing in your life for one to spend so much time trying to prove the superiority of your gender. Can we just have intelligent discussions devoid of gender based augments

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by BuddhaPalm(m): 4:52pm On Oct 16, 2014
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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 9:56am On Oct 17, 2014
TV01:

No, not by a long shot - but I'm way better at it than you cool!

A Christian boasting that he is better at insults? issorait


Really? Happy birthday Bukatyne. Many happy returns.

What would you like?

1. Anti-wrinkle cream
2. Middle-age spread reducing juice
3. Attitude adjustment pills
4. An extended deluxe rinsing
5. Peace

Choose wisely grin!

TV

What I would like?

Thinking hard ...

1. A growth serum to make you taller
2. A concentrated alkaline solution to neutralize your acidic tongue
3. A elixir to make you less hypocritical

You see, I am trying to put you first as a good Christian cheesy

And you said 'peace'? Are you now Jesus the Prince of Peace? And seriously, you do not sound like someone who has peace. So no 4. will be peace!



Have a splendid day cheesy



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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by pickabeau1: 9:59am On Oct 17, 2014
Damn
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 10:04am On Oct 17, 2014
crackhaus:

Yesterday was her birthday so maybe just put her on a waiting list or something. grin

Bukatyne, you and I both know you're fond of making snide denigrative comments directed at anyone you don't share an opinion with.
You did it to me on your thread when you implied I wasn't conversant with the Bible hence I shouldn't know what the discussion was about, it was this comment that prompted my going back to scrutinize the verses you put up.

You did the same thing on this thread when you made this comment:

But when he responded in a likewise manner, you cried foul.

I'm just saying though, no hard feelings...

Really? Examples please?

TV01 said

TV01:

Obviously no need to justify the woman first hitting the man as that's not physical abuse is it?
TV

And I said
bukatyne:

Can you please type in English?
Thanks in advance

Luckily pickabeau1 said
pickabeau1:

Too much party tinz lol
He wrote in english
He says that women physically responding to male verbal abuse was not seen as abuse unlike the reverse
Case in point...solange n jay z
meanwhile I will like your thoughts on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1947677/gender-inequality-why-things-wont/2#27170662

And I replied
bukatyne:

As I am not a mind reader, I will wait for him to explain what he means. I read the post and had 2 interpretations to it.
I guess I have looked at that thread but let me check again
The party was fun cheesy

And he said...
pickabeau1:

Ok...no problem

I took my time to quote the genesis of the posts so you can point out the 'I started it' you are saying in your post. If he did not understand or thought I was 'starting it', my conversation with pickabeau1 was very clear.



No hard feelings and TV should put me on his rinsing list? undecided

And if I may ask, what will this rinsing do to me?

Make me fairer?
Affect my life offline?
Reduce/increase my age?

You assume some of us don't have lives offline?

Please keep your hard feelings or lack of it to yourself

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 10:09am On Oct 17, 2014
pickabeau 1:
Damn

What is the damn about? grin
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 10:11am On Oct 17, 2014
crackhaus:

Why?
Have I been one to use insulting or degrading words on your person in any of our conversations on NL?

Must I respond to all posts directed at me?

Since you know that I am fond of using snide words on people I don't agree with, why are you still interested in my response?
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by pickabeau1: 10:13am On Oct 17, 2014
bukatyne:


What is the damn about? grin

Just damn...
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 10:15am On Oct 17, 2014
satope1:
Can everyone see where we have a problem?

They would never agree that verbal abuse is bad and would never condemn it but would rather advise the man runs his mouth back. When did two wrongs start making a right. ?

When you are ready to accept the truth and not resort to double standards maybe we can start addressing abuse in relationships.





Can you point out where I said 'verbal abuse' is 'right'?

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Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by crackhaus: 10:23am On Oct 17, 2014
Bukatyne take a chill pill, no one assumes anything about you.

But if it's the rinsing that's got you bursting a nerve, I'm pretty sure TV meant that in a lighthearted playful way.
Re: Why Don't More Men Speak Up About Violence Against Women? by bukatyne(f): 10:27am On Oct 17, 2014
crackhaus:
Bukatyne take a chill pill, no one assumes anything about you.

But if it's the rinsing that's got you bursting a nerve, I'm pretty sure TV meant that in a lighthearted playful way.

crackhaus,

I do not care if anybody assumes anything about me or not.

I will wager my 3 months pay that if I see you today, I will not know you so what is my business with what you or anyone else think about me?

Do you care what I think about you? Seriously?

Anybody interested in a rinsing that is light hearted or heavy hearted is free cool

I will prescribe the chill pill for you and TV01 first.

I am a good girl remember undecided

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