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Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by 4kings: 3:06am On Jul 30, 2016
raphieMontella:

yh i do...
M an atheist..i dnt believe in a big sky daddy..
That stuff tries to show origins of certain claimed heavenly beings the son..the holy spirit..angels...etc...which i have no belief in..
Unless the bible/quran/book of mormon is rewrritten truthfully..
Even at that sef...u never can conclude

well i dont believe in the mainstream view of 'the son','the holy spirit', the concept of grace and favour, but i believe there is a creator, in which we are all interconnected. And ancient practice(not religion) like chi energy for example confirms this.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by raphieMontella: 3:28am On Jul 30, 2016
4kings:


well i dont believe in the mainstream view of 'the son','the holy spirit', the concept of grace and favour, but i believe there is a creator, in which we are all interconnected. And ancient practice(not religion) like chi energy for example confirms this.

possibly...m nt against the idea of a god controlling me...bt jst that the one presented by religion is false and man made
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by 4kings: 3:39am On Jul 30, 2016
raphieMontella:

possibly...m nt against the idea of a god controlling me...bt jst that the one presented by religion is false and man made
I agree with you on that.
Why not search more on the subconciuos mind and what wonders it holds such as healing.(I suggest gregg braden on youtube)
And have u noticed that the placebo effect works somewhat like faith preached in mainstream religion?
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Weah96: 6:13am On Jul 30, 2016
4kings:

Nah, i believe the orignal authors of the bible meant for the stories to be interpreted in a spiritual sense and not literally.
But this was corrupted(probably in most case not intentionally) to keep people in line through a reward system
If u know about the greek history, kundalini, chi energy, and most eastern metaphysical practices u will discover that they connect, and the forerunners interpreted what they realized with stories.

Don't be so sure. Gnostics used entheogens too.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262673553_Sacred_Plants_and_the_Gnostic_Church_Speculations_on_Entheogen-Use_in_Early_Christian_Ritual
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 7:39am On Jul 30, 2016
raphieMontella:

proof that the soul exists

Do you believe in God?
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 7:58am On Jul 30, 2016
Weah96:


No. Thats the point. Humans THEN lacked the technology to reveal a lot of natural phenomena. But a potential creator WOULD know everything and could use their ignorance to serve as proof to future skeptics.

"could",are you in doubt because he didn't?.

This post is unclear
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by raphieMontella: 9:34am On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:

Do you believe in God?
no i dnt..i dnt believe in any god presented by any religion
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by KingEbukaNaija: 9:52am On Jul 30, 2016
raphieMontella:

possibly...m nt against the idea of a god controlling me...bt jst that the one presented by religion is false and man made

Religion is man made - no one controverts this

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Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by raphieMontella: 10:06am On Jul 30, 2016
4kings:

I agree with you on that.
Why not search more on the subconciuos mind and what wonders it holds such as healing.(I suggest gregg braden on youtube)
And have u noticed that the placebo effect works somewhat like faith preached in mainstream religion?
yes..i do knw that a positive mind is a boost to the immune system..speeds us reaction time of normal drugs... And gives the white blood cells an extra armoury in instances of no drugs etc..
The subconcious mind...
I do knw our beliefs tend to affect sm situations at times..bt i dnt really believe in magic miracles..unless it is an amputee being healed or a cojoined twin separated...
Then u can convince me of higher powers...
Because...even magic is a trickshow nt supernatural...

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Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Weah96: 11:16am On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:


"could",are you in doubt because he didn't?.

This post is unclear

Yes. The fact that the claims in the text cannot be substantiated by reality, ie. no magic can be produced by following the directions in it, means that we are compelled to seek other kinds of proof.

Another kind of proof could be a clear revelation that only a non sm would have known back then.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 11:57am On Jul 30, 2016
Weah96:


Yes. The fact that the claims in the text cannot be substantiated by reality, ie. no magic can be produced by following the directions in it, means that we are compelled to seek other kinds of proof.

Another kind of proof could be a clear revelation that only a non sm would have known back then.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 11:59am On Jul 30, 2016
Weah96:


Yes. The fact that the claims in the text cannot be substantiated by reality, ie. no magic can be produced by following the directions in it, means that we are compelled to seek other kinds of proof.

Another kind of proof could be a clear revelation that only a non sm would have known back then.

Wrong foundation for someone who wants to search for God,and note the word SEARCH because that's what it's all about.

I wonder why people diligently pursue their jobs and courses and expect to find God for themselves after some half baked pursuit......

You can't get good at even story telling after a few tries,imagine the audacity saying "no magic can be produced by following the directions in it".
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by 4kings: 12:00pm On Jul 30, 2016
raphieMontella:

yes..i do knw that a positive mind is a boost to the immune system..speeds us reaction time of normal drugs... And gives the white blood cells an extra armoury in instances of no drugs etc..
The subconcious mind...
I do knw our beliefs tend to affect sm situations at times..bt i dnt really believe in magic miracles..unless it is an amputee being healed or a cojoined twin separated...
Then u can convince me of higher powers...
Because...even magic is a trickshow nt supernatural...
Again I agree.
I don't believe in magic either.
I believe some people get involved in a situation where the subconscious mind is at work, and since they can't comprehend it, they regard it as magic or favour from god.
I found out that gullibility aids the subconscious mind too ( if u understand what I mean?).
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 12:02pm On Jul 30, 2016
raphieMontella:

no i dnt..i dnt believe in any god presented by any religion

And you asked what evidence of soul is?, get it together,am not here because I have nothing else to do.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by 4kings: 12:08pm On Jul 30, 2016
Weah96:


Don't be so sure. Gnostics used entheogens too.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262673553_Sacred_Plants_and_the_Gnostic_Church_Speculations_on_Entheogen-Use_in_Early_Christian_Ritual




Nah I don't think so, cos they were more concerned with inner meditation as it affect human nature and less concerned with looking for an external god away from themselves.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Weah96: 12:59pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:




I wonder why people diligently pursue their jobs and courses and expect to find God for themselves after some half baked pursuit......



Because a potential designer is not a chemistry course under Dr. ( ).
Professors don't read minds or there would be no point for the exam.

Once again, do you have anything in the book to show that the persons writing were not high on sacred drugs or lying through their teeth about speaking to a creator?

Note that there are two issues to prove here. The first is that the writers spoke to a non human entity at all.

The second is whether the alien entity with whom they spoke did in fact create the universe.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by jadeus: 2:32pm On Jul 30, 2016
KingEbukaNaija:
Are there questions about God , the bible or Christianity that have been bothering you for a while now . Please post them so they can be addressed by knowledgeable Christians on this forum .
1) How do you know the Bible is the word of God? If you quote 1Timothy 3:16, please note that just because you were inspired by a tree to write a book doesn't mean that the book is the word of that tree. Also, this was referring to the Old Testament as the New Testament were not regarded as scriptures then. They were not even written yet. Remember, most of Christianity's doctrines are from the New Testament.

2) Why does evil exist if God is all good. A perfect being would be incapable of creating imperfection except it was what he wanted. Therefore, if God wanted imperfection and evil to exist, why does he blame man for man's imperfection when that was his will from the beginning.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by realmindz: 3:14pm On Jul 30, 2016
jadeus:

1) How do you know the Bible is the word of God? If you quote 1Timothy 3:16, please note that just because you were inspired by a tree to write a book doesn't mean that the book is the word of that tree. Also, this was referring to the Old Testament as the New Testament were not regarded as scriptures then. They were not even written yet. Remember, most of Christianity's doctrines are from the New Testament.

2) Why does evil exist if God is all good. A perfect being would be incapable of creating imperfection except it was what he wanted. Therefore, if God wanted imperfection and evil to exist, why does he blame man for man's imperfection when that was his will from the beginning.
Studying the bible deeply can make an atheist, so many fallacies, illogical events and contradictions.

The bible is all about the Jewish mythology and the jewish dictator Yaweh.

Christianity is a Kingdom standing against itself.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by jadeus: 3:48pm On Jul 30, 2016
realmindz:

Studying the bible deeply can make an atheist, so many fallacies, illogical events and contradictions.

The bible is all about the Jewish mythology and the jewish dictator Yaweh.

Christianity is a Kingdom standing against itself.

Exactly! When I was questioning religion, I was constantly told to ignore all the parts that don't make sense and just hold on to the parts that work for me. If that's the case, no wonder there are several thousands of denominations of Christianity who are debating on what is right and wrong. It's mythology and it's sad to see grown up people believing that it is historical fact.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 7:49pm On Jul 30, 2016
Weah96:


Because a potential designer is not a chemistry course under Dr. ( ).
Professors don't read minds or there would be no point for the exam.

Once again, do you have anything in the book to show that the persons writing were not high on sacred drugs or lying through their teeth about speaking to a creator?

Note that there are two issues to prove here. The first is that the writers spoke to a non human entity at all.

The second is whether the alien entity with whom they spoke did in fact create the universe.

I made it quite clear early on,The crust of my post was to emphasize that not enough is done in search for God. God doesn't own anyone anything, "seek and ye shall find", not the other way round.

You doubt the bible itself and hence it's accounts, so how will my quote of it serve as proof of any sort?
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by jadeus: 7:59pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:


I made it quite clear early on,The crust of my post was to emphasize that not enough is done in search for God. God doesn't own anyone anything, "seek and ye shall find", not the other way round.

You doubt the bible itself and hence it's accounts, so how will my quote of it serve as proof of any sort?




More than enough has been done in the search for God, yet we find nothing. Google the search for God and you will know that there are people who have spent their entire lives on the search for God. If there is a God that wants to be found we would find it, until then people should not believe in something that seems to be nothing more than a made up being. BTW, what would you say of a father that waits for his child to'find'him instead of showing himself without even being asked?

If you can prove that your God exists and is the good that the Bible talks about, your quotes from the Bible would not be taken seriously.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Weah96: 8:00pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:


I made it quite clear early on,The crust of my post was to emphasize that not enough is done in search for God. God doesn't own anyone anything, "seek and ye shall find", not the other way round.

You doubt the bible itself and hence it's accounts, so how will my quote of it serve as proof of any sort?





You keep saying God God God without answering who is God.

I don't care that he's evil or is a megalomaniac. That's not the point. Genghis Khan was evil, and people served out of fear.

But Genghis Khan was real and punishment for crime was swift.

So tell me how do I seek your deity since the bible provides no evidence?
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 8:23pm On Jul 30, 2016
Weah96:



You keep saying God God God without answering who is God.

I don't care that he's evil or is a megalomaniac. That's not the point. Genghis Khan was evil, and people served out of fear.

But Genghis Khan was real and punishment for crime was swift.

So tell me how do I seek your deity since the bible provides no evidence?


I will take the last bit, I don't know how the rest pertains to what I have typed thus far.

You won't find any "evidence" that you won't doubt,the human mind was made that way and that's the reason why Christianity isn't based on evidence,it can be fabricated and twisted as need be.Won't you agree?
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Weah96: 8:29pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:



I will take the last bit, I don't know how the rest pertains to what I have typed thus far.

You won't find any "evidence" that you won't doubt,the human mind was made that way and that's the reason why Christianity isn't based on evidence,it can be fabricated and twisted as need be.Won't you agree?


Christianity not based on evidence? Jeez. So I've been wasting my time on NL?
I thought the bible was evidence that there is a non human designer.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by 4kings: 8:40pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:



I will take the last bit, I don't know how the rest pertains to what I have typed thus far.

You won't find any "evidence" that you won't doubt,the human mind was made that way and that's the reason why Christianity isn't based on evidence,it can be fabricated and twisted as need be.Won't you agree?
What do u mean by evidence the human mind would doubt?
Don't u have a human mind?
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 8:41pm On Jul 30, 2016
jadeus:


More than enough has been done in the search for God, yet we find nothing. Google the search for God and you will know that there are people who have spent their entire lives on the search for God. If there is a God that wants to be found we would find it, until then people should not believe in something that seems to be nothing more than a made up being. BTW, what would you say of a father that waits for his child to'find'him instead of showing himself without even being asked?

If you can prove that your God exists and is the good that the Bible talks about, your quotes from the Bible would not be taken seriously.

You asked a couple of questions so lemme try and address em as orderly as I can,

Standing in a garage doesn't make you a car, shuffling through bible pages doesn't constitute search,not just that anyways.

I don't encourage blind belief either, people must ask questions and prude diligently for answers. I blame half baked and self professed Christians who have slept on their oars,the ones from old did a better job.

So why won't God just reveal himself,well that's a long one,I will post the link to that thread.

In relation to prove read my replies.on this thread,but in summary you aren't getting any.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 8:43pm On Jul 30, 2016
jadeus:


More than enough has been done in the search for God, yet we find nothing. Google the search for God and you will know that there are people who have spent their entire lives on the search for God. If there is a God that wants to be found we would find it, until then people should not believe in something that seems to be nothing more than a made up being. BTW, what would you say of a father that waits for his child to'find'him instead of showing himself without even being asked?

If you can prove that your God exists and is the good that the Bible talks about, your quotes from the Bible would not be taken seriously.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 8:50pm On Jul 30, 2016
4kings:

What do u mean by evidence the human mind would doubt?
Don't u have a human mind?

I do, I am confirming that the presence of doubts isn't new,the mind was made to be curious.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 8:58pm On Jul 30, 2016
Weah96:



Christianity not based on evidence? Jeez. So I've been wasting my time on NL?
I thought the bible was evidence that there is a non human designer.

It is along with everything else in this world,but that's not what you want right?, and that's what I referred to in my last post.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Weah96: 9:12pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:


It is along with everything else in this world,but that's not what you want right?, and that's what I referred to in my last post.

Nope. Lets assume we find a Rolex watch on the beach and then you begin to tell me that watchmaker has a wife and three children, his oldest child being 7 years old. Just like that. Out of the blue. You even write it down.

When I ask you to provide evidence of your watchmaker claims, you tell me to listen to My heart.

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Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by 4kings: 9:13pm On Jul 30, 2016
Eddlad:


I do, I am confirming that the presence of doubts isn't new,the mind was made to be curious.
Granted.
So what supernatural evidence has been doubted by the(some) human mind, for years now.
Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by Eddlad: 11:41pm On Jul 30, 2016
4kings:

Granted.
So what supernatural evidence has been doubted by the(some) human mind, for years now.

You are here asking me for them,the fact the you can't notice them needs urgent address first. The irony is that after they are addressed, evidence will be last thing on your mind. : )

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