Dexter231:


But come to think of it, if there's no God, why are there MORALS. Why is it that it is bad to kill, to steal, to lie, to cheat. If there was no supreme being (God), then there's no penalty for doing evil. People shouldn't av morals

So on this basis, I think this is a simple reason to see that there is truly a God there.

Religion is a system of government used to enforce law and orderliness at home and in the society

Welcome OP

kaylivin:
will u conclude that a car just appeared .. or your phone built itself by chance ... so why would you conclude that the delicate position of the earth in the solar system happened by chance .. or the complexity of human DNA happened by chance .. that we dont know how it happened does not make it logical to conclude that a creator does not exited .. I did not even read the bible to have an encounter with God .. I dont even see the bible as the express word of God .. I even believe mans manipulations is in some of its writings ... but pls open your heart to search genuinely for the creator and u will find him

And did your god just exist by chance ? Ray Comfort said "nothing can com out of nothing" when he was askin qstn about existence of DNA. Nw let me ask u this qstn, if nothing can com out of nothing then who created your god ? If there's no proof of how your god com into existence den there's no god. Or u want to tell me that your god just exist out of nothing ?

Raydos:
i want to ask three questions!


(1) how often do you fast?


(2) do you pray at least 10times a day?


(3) do you distance yourself from sin?


you don't do all these things and you expect GOD to show itself to you! - scientists have tried their best to find where GOD is really is but all to no avail so they conclude that there's no GOD!


just because people Don't see GOD Face to face so they have a mere intuition that GOD Doesn't exist - but funny enough you people have never seen devil in person yet you believe he exist, every bad thing that happen to you, you believe its always the handiwork of devil.

try to do all those 3 aforementioned list up there, and i asure you that GOD will see you in spirit and he will make you understand everything.

i am a living testimony

Pardon me, but for anyone to pray 10 times a day, the issues might be psychiatric, and definitely not religious.

Proffdada:
how did you know all these?

from my research

felixomor1:


Quiet.
That Scripture is a response to his question
It was not a request for proof.

And moreover, if u dont mind, can u show me the evidence that your great great great great grand father existed?

I cannot show you any evidence that my great, great, great, great grand father existed. Please, if you don't mind can you show me that your Bible God existed or- to afford you some stretch up to modern times- exists? But note that my great, great, great, great grandfather has not made any claims whatsoever on me, has not demanded obedience on the threat of hell, has not claimed he sent his son to die for my sins and yet to just speak by himself is difficult, my grandy has not angled for a relationship with me through my being born again. In order words I am saying your question regarding proof of my grandy has no bearing on the question of the existence of the Biblical god!

KingEbukasBlog:


I strongly doubt you know anything about the contents of your meme . You obviously picked it from somewhere .

Yea, whatever. Like I give a bolting fvck what you think about me and my meme.
After all, I and the others from christain background decided to become atheists without reading the bible but by picking up things like the ridiculousness of yahweh from somewhere.
No, sir. Your conclusion won't make me give that young dude a free lesson on the history of morality tonight. I'm burned out from the day's work. That's a topic for another day.

Now, If you could just attack the message therein and leave the beautiful messenger out of it, you'd be doing us some good, bro.

Dexter231:


But come to think of it, if there's no God, why are there MORALS. Why is it that it is bad to kill, to steal, to lie, to cheat. If there was no supreme being (God), then there's no penalty for doing evil. People shouldn't av morals

So on this basis, I think this is a simple reason to see that there is truly a God there.

Morality evolved as did all life forms, if species didn't develope morality they could not become social creatures and hence couldn't work together and would be ultimately wiped out.

Lennycool:

If the DNA is too complex to come about by chance, then whoever created it most by infinitely more complex than it.
Hence who created the infinitely complex and intelligent God?
As anything complex cannot just appear on it's own.

before man cud see the complexity of life he came in contact with life matters .. before we can understand the supreme being then we must have a physical contact with him ..and now that he has not revealed him self physical .. does that mean we shud not acknowledge his existence ? according to my believe .. he came physically through my king (Jesus) and he helped us understand the creators intentions .. why he created the earth and what he expects from us .. now that was what he came to tell us .. when he wants to reveal how he came to be , am sure he will..

gboyeng:
I have the same doubt as well... I always ask myself a question." What would be the greatest disappointment to human race?" What usually come to mind is if there is no God, judgment day, heaven or hell. However, the way people preach about this God may be different as you said. I've personally embarked on morality and loving my fellow men because we may never see after death.

It would only be a disappointment to those who believe in heaven and were sure they would enter, most Christians that sin wouldn't want to enter hell. I'm happy for the way you live your life, as all men should.

skywalker001:
from my research

based on what fact?

Lennycool:

If the DNA is too complex to come about by chance, then whoever created it most by infinitely more complex than it.
Hence who created the infinitely complex and intelligent God?
As anything complex cannot just appear on it's own.

exactly the same question i asked him

otemanuduno:
Yahweh? That guy's so daft. Imagine how he let someone like me worship him as the Almighty God for a greater part of my life Now that I've seen the truth, I am here to reveal it to all that YAHWEH IS SATAN. I am very happy right now for the Op, losing his belief in Yahweh as God Almighty, as opposed to Kingebukasblog, 4everGod and Mrpresident1 whose eyes are still covered with the darkness of the veil of yahweh(Satan). I pray they see the light soon, AMEN!

were was your god when yahweh took over the earth?

Lennycool:

Nice meme. Not to mention that the bible supports rape, slavery and genocide.

Thanks for pointing it out, hun.
I'd have done that but to type sef don tire me.
I just had to do something to stop the bobo from embarrassing himself further.

Thanchu beyi mush(Thank you very much)

Akdegreat:


Must I fast everyday and pray 10 times a day before God reveals himself to me? That sounds ridiculous though.

However, I studied the Bible diligently. In fact I could spend hours on it. I was a worshipper, like David. I was a pianist and I worshipped in songs. I stayed clear of sin too.

I understand your pains bro.
bro your going to fast on your judgment. you basically doubt everything. judging from your post naturally your suspicious of every thing arround you.
I blame christian preacher, they uv made we christian lazy by putting our hopes on serving God will lead to prosperity. the time we go to church without expecting anything the time we realize how sweet God is
just love him for who he his
ONE BIG QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK UR SELF IS WHY DO IFA AND CULT EXIST. THEN WHY CAN'T GOD?

mastermaestro:


It's your choice! Every entity including where you work, school, and your family has a head, so does this world. GOD is the head. You will answer to HIM when the time comes. Heaven or hell, your choice to make. Others can state it euphemistically, I won't. Accept JESUS CHRIST and be saved to an eternal life with GOD in Heaven, or live as though you were your own god and secure for yourself a one-way ticket to hell.

There is no compulsion in Christianity! Choose whom you wish to serve. To GOD be the glory, I have chosen to follow JESUS CHRIST forever!

There is no Compulsion in Religion but your Abrahamic God has threatened me with eternal suffering in hell?
I dont get the compulsion part, why cant your Abrahamic god let me be after i die if truelly there is no compulsion

Proffdada:
based on what fact?

the same fact that makes you believe in your story book(bible)

kaylivin:
before man cud see the complexity of life he came in contact with life matters .. before we can understand the supreme being then we must have a physical contact with him ..and now that he has not revealed him self physical .. does that mean we shud not acknowledge his existence ? according to my believe .. he came physically through my king (Jesus) and he helped us understand the creators intentions .. why he created the earth and what he expects from us .. now that was what he came to tell us .. when he wants to reveal how he came to be , am sure he will..

Uh huh. So he will tell us how he came about in time? Well till then I think you should hold that your DNA cannot come from nothing card.

Oh shut up! the new testament wasn't written in 150 AD. What does that even mean? You think you could just merge unknown pictures just to give credence to falsehood about the new testament. You need to read good books.

JSoE:


Will you keep quiet?
When we tell you to read good books you'd prefer to continue thumping the bible and revelling in your delusions.
I don't have the strength to start tutoring you on morality.
Look at the picture, honey.

Immorttal:
well, i admire your open-mindedness and unprejudiced research. Christians seldom do that. you see, knowledge is power but ignorance restricts and can even endanger someone. ignorance is soo bad that it can even useless a man . i will give an example: last week, i carried my three months old brand new laptop to an engineer after a purported display problem, i was surprised upon learning that it has been turned to scrab, the guy started explaining some jagons i couldn't understand, he said that the lappy was designed for european use because of their weather bla blah. he asked how i could make this mistake of purchasing IDM system instead of INTELL despite my vast experience in computer stuffs. the thing pained me i shouted back "how could i suppose to know about idm or not" .. "i forgive your ignorance" he replied.his response calmed my nerves though. i learnt that lesson of asking questions, doing rigorous research so as to arrive in a safe position. surely your stance its one of verifiable means to separate truth from untruth. keep it on but dont rule out becoming an atheist one day, who knows.

Thanks bro . I appreciate I value knowledge a lot and have an unquenchable thirst for it but atheism is definitely out of the picture because God is very real .

KingEbukasBlog:


Thanks bro . I appreciate I value knowledge a lot and have an unquenchable thirst for it but atheism is definitely out of the picture because God is very real .

your proof ?

KingEbukasBlog:


I lost my belief in God too as my knowledge about God grew . I don't believe God exists , I know God exists .

Pulling away from religion does not mean you are agnostic or an atheist , its more of deism . Even MrPresident1 , a savant of the scriptures , will tell you that God isn't in organized religion .

Never let the atheists inveigle you into becoming one of them . Atheism is darkness and mental slavery .

Remain blessed .

No you are very wrong atheism Is more of a mental freedom rather than mental slavery and talking about darkness meanS you are a Dumpass

Mujtahida:

I cannot show you any evidence that my great, great, great, great grand father existed. Please, if you don't mind can you show me that your Bible God existed or- to afford you some stretch up to modern times- exists? But note that my great, great, great, great grandfather has not made any claims whatsoever on me, has not demanded obedience on the threat of hell, has not claimed he sent his son to die for my sins and yet to just speak by himself is difficult, my grandy has not angled for a relationship with me through my being born again. In order words I am saying your question regarding proof of my grandy has no bearing on the question of the existence of the Biblical god!

I can as well conclude that he didnt exist going by ur bolded statement.
Dont u think so?

TheSixthSense:
Oh shut up! the new testament wasn't written in 150 AD. What does that even mean? You think you could just merge unknown pictures just to give credence to falsehood about the new testament. You need to read good books.

All the works that eventually became incorporated into the New Testament are believed to have been written no later than around 150 AD,


This is where I read it from. I don't know about you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament

TheSixthSense:
Oh shut up! the new testament wasn't written in 150 AD. What does that even mean? You think you could just merge unknown pictures just to give credence to falsehood about the new testament. You need to read good books.

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JSoE , abi I tell you say you know nothing about the content of that meme . You just regurgitated - didn't bother considering veracity of the content.

Sorry TheSixthSense , that's a typical example of what can atheists do .

And that picture contains false information - its against the rules of this forum to post false information . I hope Seun or the supermods hide that post .

theoneJabulani:
Those saying that God only shows himself to true believers are dickheads. The op is on a ledge, what would it cost Yahweh to appear to him on night and just say:"do u believe now?". Bt no, He is too busy preping our furnace. Come to think of it, Yahweh would be the No1 draft pick for hell when u look at his actions in the old testament

if God can appear to for just Once, I swear the rest Will become history

JSoE:


All the works that eventually became incorporated into the New Testament are believed to have been written no later than around 150 AD,


This is where I read it from. I don't know about you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament

the funniest tin is dat atheist know more about religion more than those pple claiming one religion and the others... they are just ignorant of what they practice

Mujtahida:

I cannot show you any evidence that my great, great, great, great grand father existed. Please, if you don't mind can you show me that your Bible God existed or- to afford you some stretch up to modern times- exists? But note that my great, great, great, great grandfather has not made any claims whatsoever on me, has not demanded obedience on the threat of hell, has not claimed he sent his son to die for my sins and yet to just speak by himself is difficult, my grandy has not angled for a relationship with me through my being born again. In order words I am saying your question regarding proof of my grandy has no bearing on the question of the existence of the Biblical god!

Actually you can if you had your great great great grandfathers DNA. So his point against you is flawed.

Akdegreat,

Life is simple, and I hope you don't complicate it.


If you believe in God:

And hell and heaven happen not to be real: you lose nothing

And hell and heaven happen to be real: you lose nothing

You may read this over and over till it makes sense to you.

Lennycool:

Wrong fight guy, I didn't create the thread, I was just asking why Yahweh let innocent children suffer in the first place. Again live grow die, life is continuous.

Be honest with yourself
Search for answers instead of raising more questions
About your question, check here

http://ucmpage.org/jwarrene/messages/whychildren.html
I found it fascinating

skywalker001:
the same fact that makes you believe in your story book(bible)

so you have based your conclusion on the Bible?

Bamz:
If you believe in God:
And hell and heaven happen not to be real: you lose nothing.

Not true. You will still lose everything if the God you worship happens to be the wrong God. Only one of the Gods people worship can be true.