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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by lekkie073(m): 11:23am On Dec 06, 2016
bettercreature:
Government should also buy some sophisticated guns for our soldiers,i always feels like crying any time i see our soldiers carrying AK 47 in 2016

Those who are mentioning me seriously need orientation,I wonder why you are stilll singing AK47 like AKON when it's out of arsenal of Russia that made it

We are talking about assault Riffles that can release 2000 bullets per min not AK 47 with just 60 bullets


AK 47 is only good for Arm Robbbers not battlefield
for ur mind now....u sabi the capability of arms

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by ttmacoy: 11:23am On Dec 06, 2016
There are a lot of guns better than AK47.

Even Russia where the gun was designed stopped using it since 1978.


mrvitalis:

Ok name a gun better than ak47
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by dopedealer(m): 11:24am On Dec 06, 2016
SmartyPants:


The AK47 is a highly competent assault rifle in the hands of a well trained soldier.

With regards to your bolded, why are you spinning figures out of thin air? there is not a single assault rifle in the world that can churn out anything close to that many bullets in a minute. The only weapon i know of that can do something similar is a minigun which are usually mounted on helicopters.

First of all do you know how heavy a weapon that can chamber 2000 bullets would be?


Bros a Tavor can release 1000bullets in a minute .
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by Triniti(m): 11:24am On Dec 06, 2016
mrvitalis:
Ok name a gun better than ak47
Are you serious?
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by Fearcom(m): 11:25am On Dec 06, 2016
davidif:


and why should they have supplied "us" with weapons when the army is killing its citizens?

Really? Give us names.
Let me ask you a question. Can you count how many boko haram have killed? can you count the number if women and children they have raped? the number of people bombed?/the number of families whose lives have been forever ripped apart?? Those who have lost their homes? Those displaced? Please let's apply sense to whatever situation or topic we encounter.
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by lekkie073(m): 11:25am On Dec 06, 2016
ttmacoy:
There are a lot of guns better than AK47. Even Russia where the gunners designed stopped using it since 1978.


what's d difference between ak47 and ak74 in terms of effectiveness?
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by Mcemerald: 11:25am On Dec 06, 2016
wait oo but those vehicles look like Julius Berger caterpillar
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by ttmacoy: 11:26am On Dec 06, 2016
Not true

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/09/foghorn/russian-military-to-replace-rifles-with-new-ak-12-in-2014/amp/?client=safari


mrvitalis:


It might not be the best in all aspects but for all round in African whether it is surly more flexible far better than any M-series in its class

Russians, China still use it till today
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by SmartyPants(m): 11:28am On Dec 06, 2016
IRobot7:
Someone should please educate me.
What is the difference between a Bazooka and an RPG? Need comments pls, thanks.

they do the same thing in different ways. its kind of like the difference between a scooter and a motorbike.

or the difference between a laptop and a macbook.
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by Caleycash(m): 11:28am On Dec 06, 2016
And every year thousands of Mechanical engineering students graduate, they can't produce even a wheel barrow, useless country!!!
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by buchilino(m): 11:29am On Dec 06, 2016
PrettyCrystal:
Boko haram in trouble
ABEGI, JUST 5 RPGs WILL RENDER IT USELESS.

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by lekkie073(m): 11:29am On Dec 06, 2016
dopedealer:


Bros a Tavor can release 1000bullets in a minute .
Tavor is used by special ops dept like the DSS in Nigeria. u can't trust a Tavor rifle to be effective in a war situation in a hot climate

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by adegeye38(m): 11:30am On Dec 06, 2016
PaulIdu:

Is there any assault rifle out there that is pound for pound better than the Ak47 in Pricing ,durability ,ruggedness ,accuracy and killing distance ...I don't think so
Guy, no army uses ak47s again, except armies of third world countries like somalia, Afghanistan and other african countries, but not by an army of our standing, it is also mostly used by terrorists.

The ak47 the NAF are using was designed in 1947 and started production 1949 -1959, barrel: 7.62 × 39mm .

New assault rifles are now being produced with, better accuracy, light weight, easy handling,and can be used to launch grenades, like the MI6, m4 and beryl assault rifles etc

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by ttmacoy: 11:33am On Dec 06, 2016
It's an unarmed vehicle used to look for and disarm bombs planted in the ground i.e. IEDs.

Serves a difference purpose from an armoured tanker or other vehicles and will not be used under fire but to clear the ground of bombs so soldiers and tanks can go across safely


misgab:
what is sophisticated about the vehicle, for God's sake this is supposed to be for the military. All those exposed armored cables can be shot at by a good marksman or sniper which in turn will disable the vehicle. As i have always canvassed our local craftsmen and engineers will do a better job.
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by idupaul: 11:33am On Dec 06, 2016
IRobot7:
Someone should please educate me.
What is the difference between a Bazooka and an RPG? Need comments pls, thanks.

The RPG is basically a grenade with a mini solid propellant rocket attached to its base to help the grenade cover distance that the hand or spring loaded grenade launchers cant.... While the Bazooka is a recoiless anti tank Rocket armed with High Explosive Charge.

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by enny4real23(m): 11:35am On Dec 06, 2016
PaulIdu:

Is there any assault rifle out there that is pound for pound better than the Ak47 in Pricing ,durability ,ruggedness ,accuracy and killing distance ...I don't think so
M16 is better in accuracy and range, it is lighter, more balanced and less recoil than Ak-47 its bullets are faster than Ak47. But Ak-47 is more rugged, easy to use, its bullets are heavier and it has more penetration power and its easy to maintain while M16 is not easy to maintain, you have to use the kit that comes with it for its maintenance so I think overall they are on the same level

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by SmartyPants(m): 11:38am On Dec 06, 2016
dopedealer:


Bros a Tavor can release 1000bullets in a minute .

Okay one thing you have to understand is that there is a big difference between theoretical rate of fire and realistic rate of fire.

The guy i quoted said the AK47 has a rate of fire of 60 rounds per minute. How i wish i could give him a dirty slap!!

The AK47 theoretically can fire 600 rounds per minute and the Tavor can fire theoretically 700-900 per minute. The difference is not that significant.

But crucially, like i said, these are theoretical figures and the real-life rate of fire depends on how fast the person firing can re-chamber their weapon because no assault rifle currently can chamber that many rounds. Realistically the highest rate of fire a human soldier will achieve should be around 200 rpm.

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by erico2k2(m): 11:38am On Dec 06, 2016
mrvitalis:

Ok name a gun better than ak47
Are you 4 real??
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by idupaul: 11:41am On Dec 06, 2016
adegeye38:

Guy, no army uses ak47s again, except armies of third world countries like somalia, Afghanistan and other african countries, but not by an army of our standing, it is also mostly used by terrorists.

The ak47 the NAF are using was designed in 1947 and started production 1949 -1959, barrel: 7.62 × 39mm .

New assault rifles are now being produced with, better accuracy, light weight, easy handling,and can be used to launch grenades, like the MI6, m4 and beryl assault rifles etc

http://www.thetoptens.com/best-assault-rifles/

There is no assault rifle ranking that the AK47 does not top... What is Tavor, just a fucking close combat carbine
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by MONITZ: 11:42am On Dec 06, 2016
Kathmandu:
Ak47 is the best gun grin grin grin angry grin grin

An engineering student for that matter

Abeg, nor mind that guy, he proves to be a wiseacre and meanwhile he knows nothing,i ve seen his comments severally.Even though I am not a gun buff, I know AK -47 still can't be the most sophisticated, reason being that it was first produced a long time ago and with the advancement made every now and then in researches in military stuff, I doubt if it will still be high up there.

I even believe that the TAVOR range of assualt rifles mostly used by our D. S. S operatives re more balanced than the AK - 47.
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by idupaul: 11:44am On Dec 06, 2016
lekkie073:
Tavor is used by special ops dept like the DSS in Nigeria. u can't trust a Tavor rifle to be effective in a war situation in a hot climate

They dont know and you cant blame them .. They cant even tell the Tavor is a close qtr carbines suited close qtr combat situations like you likely see between Isreali forces and Hijackers
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by adegeye38(m): 11:52am On Dec 06, 2016
SmartyPants:


The AK47 is a highly competent assault rifle in the hands of a well trained soldier.

With regards to your bolded, why are you spinning figures out of thin air? there is not a single assault rifle in the world that can churn out anything close to that many bullets in a minute. The only weapon i know of that can do something similar is a minigun which are usually mounted on helicopters.

First of all do you know how heavy a weapon that can chamber 2000 bullets would be?

I can't stop looking at this post and shaking my head. Assault rifle that fires 2000 rounds per minute? There is not even an assaullt rifle that can fire up to 500 rounds a minute.
Ak47 fires 600 rounds in a minute, though its the cyclic rate of power,
The combat rate of fire is:
Semi auto: 40r/min
Burst: 100r/min
Distance 300 metres

The M16
Fires at 700-950 rounds per minute
Distance 3600 metres

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by galax1: 11:56am On Dec 06, 2016
M16
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by Originalsly: 11:58am On Dec 06, 2016
@ topic... this wasn't a gift. I'm sure the cost of this 'white elephant' could've been spent wisely to upgrade the military in other areas.... whether it be personal equipment... to boost morale... or always needed helicopters. Where in the country was there or is there a need for this equipment? .... who would maintain it?...and at what cost?... or is this all about giving the military something to brag about?
On AK47..... I know very little about guns..... but it is common knowledge world wide.... that the AK 47 is the most common assault rifle world wide.... and there's one reason for that... a longggg track record of being efficient under any condition... in the desert.. in the snow... in the swamps.... regardless.... that's the little I know.
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by lekkie073(m): 12:00pm On Dec 06, 2016
adegeye38:

Guy, no army uses ak47s again, except armies of third world countries like somalia, Afghanistan and other african countries, but not by an army of our standing, it is also mostly used by terrorists.

The ak47 the NAF are using was designed in 1947 and started production 1949 -1959, barrel: 7.62 × 39mm .

New assault rifles are now being produced with, better accuracy, light weight, easy handling,and can be used to launch grenades, like the MI6, m4 and beryl assault rifles etc
guy the most effective rifles r still d ones made between 1960 and 1979. U can't just believe in a rifle if it has not been used in a war before. Its not about testing it. its about continuous usage for a long period of time in different climates. Dats how to trust a rifle....not because it is a newly built machinery.

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by iboboyswag(m): 12:03pm On Dec 06, 2016
anonym0us:
cool M16(USA) The AR-15 was designed by Armalite to meet the US Army requirement for a new assault rifle, chambered for a new intermediate cartridge. It was adopted by the US Army as the M16 and became a standard issue infantry weapon. This weapon was designed in the late 1950s. At the time it was a very progressive design. The US Army demanded for a super light weapon. So the M16 has a number of lightweight materials in order to save weight. It uses aluminum in place of steel, fiberglass construction in place of wood. Also it has an ergonomic design. It incorporated many features, never seen before. At the time of its introduction it was called the "Space Rifle". The barrel is in one line with the buttstock. This feature significantly reduces the recoil. It operates smoothly during fully automatic fire and is very easy to control. Consequently it is much more accurate during automatic fire than many other assault rifles. Its superior accuracy gives it a decisive advantage. This superior weapon works great in battle, although it does have some faults. Newer models have a Picatinny-type rail and support various optics and detacheable accessories. It can be also fitted with underbarrel grenade launcher. Since its introduction this assault rifle was constantly improved. This influential weapon was built in hundreds of variants. Approximately 8 million of these assault rifles were manufactures. The M16 and its derivatives are used by more than 70 countries around the world. A lot of people like to compare the M16 vs AK-47. The M16 has 3 main advantages over AK-47, including range, accuracy and weight.

My brother in educating us, you have chosen to look past the faults of the M16. I will help you here.

The M16 was designed and built to rival the AK47. This was done in the heat of the Vietnam war to help ground troops equate the firepower of the Viet Cong's who where totting soviet union issued AK47. The AK47 was such and still is a weapon that is very rugged, easily maintained, can fire and sustain fire in very harsh conditions.

Unlike its rival the M16, the AK47 was not susceptible to jam and this made it a weapon of choice for both the Viet Cong's and the Americans. The issue of American soldiers picking up and converting to use captured weapons from the Viet Cong's has led to a lot debate (just goggle it) but the fact remains that the AK47 was a better assault weapon than the M16 and its progenitor the M14 in the 1970's and it still almost in the same form and design as at when it was first design and massed produced tells you that the efficiency of the weapon cannot be questioned.

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by idupaul: 12:04pm On Dec 06, 2016
MONITZ:


Abeg, nor mind that guy, he proves to be a wiseacre and meanwhile he knows nothing,i ve seen his comments severally.Even though I am not a gun buff, I know AK -47 still can't be the most sophisticated, reason being that it was first produced a long time ago and with the advancement made every now and then in researches in military stuff, I doubt if it will still be high up there.

I even believe that the TAVOR range of assualt rifles mostly used by our D. S. S operatives re more balanced than the AK - 47.

Criteria for ranking assault rifles is a lot and aesthetics grabs the least .. Most people are just wowed by the cosmetic cladding of newer rifles and not their overall performance ..I have been a rifle enthusiast for many years and i havent still seen an Assault rifle ranking that the AK47 didn't top. We all love the Tavor for its looks but its actually just a close quarter combat carbine meant for door to door combat, in a real theatre they wont compare to an AK 47 in most yards

http://www.thetoptens.com/best-assault-rifles/

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by Jerryojozy(m): 12:06pm On Dec 06, 2016
mrvitalis:

Ok name a gun better than ak47
AK-74U
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by lekkie073(m): 12:07pm On Dec 06, 2016
MONITZ:


Abeg, nor mind that guy, he proves to be a wiseacre and meanwhile he knows nothing,i ve seen his comments severally.Even though I am not a gun buff, I know AK -47 still can't be the most sophisticated, reason being that it was first produced a long time ago and with the advancement made every now and then in researches in military stuff, I doubt if it will still be high up there.

I even believe that the TAVOR range of assualt rifles mostly used by our D. S. S operatives re more balanced than the AK - 47.
it might not be high there amongst the best but it is battle tested unlike some modern day rifles day has not been used in any war before.
Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by idupaul: 12:09pm On Dec 06, 2016
adegeye38:

Ak47 fires 600 rounds in a minute, though its the cyclic rate of power,
The combat rate of fire is:
Semi auto: 40r/min
Burst: 100r/min
Distance 300 metres

The M16
Fires at 700-950 rounds per minute
Distance 3600 metres


My friend the lethal distance of an AK 47 is 1500 metres while for the M16 its 900 metres .. While the maximum range for the M16 is 2700 metres and for the AK47 is 2300m

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Re: Ground Vehicle Acquired By The Nigerian Army From The UK by jaido09: 12:09pm On Dec 06, 2016
bettercreature:
Government should also buy some sophisticated guns for our soldiers,i always feels like crying any time i see our soldiers carrying AK 47 in 2016

Those who are mentioning me seriously need orientation,I wonder why you are stilll singing AK47 like AKON when it's out of arsenal of Russia that made it

We are talking about assault Riffles that can release 2000 bullets per min not AK 47 with just 60 bullets


AK 47 is only good for Arm Robbbers not battlefield
My brother, none of the rifles you listed here is capable of releasing 2000 bullets per min. In fact i dont know of any rifle capable of such unless you are referring to GPMG which is not your normanl service rifle.

You have to consider magazine capacity. How many bullets can your magazine hold? Certainly not 2000. The purpose is defeated the moment you have to change your magazine. AK47 is still the most durable rifle for all weather. Our special forces are already using AK-74 and Tavor SAR.

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