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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by Gwan2(m): 7:36am On Mar 02, 2017
myplaydiary:
My write up must have hit a nerve for you to think i work with innoson, while i would love too work with them though, i however need to draw your errs to public knowledge. Your post was indeed very misleading, too bad for an auto blogger, i understand you must eat but do so with common sense, don't pull one down to exalt yourself, i would have love to educate you further but i see you are really hurting already.

Have a good evening.
Bros, please don't always take criticism as sentiments or hatred....I beg of you.
.
In your quest to appeal to your audience, you totally painted the young man in bad light, he did a good job and I must confess his points are very salient not ruling out yours though.

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by BlindAngel: 7:37am On Mar 02, 2017
ncoolsome:


And the ones presently pullin off are all innoson abi?mtchhheeew
. They are not, but they are way better 1000% than innoson.

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by EmekaBlue(m): 7:41am On Mar 02, 2017
Menace2Society:
Typical Ibo man grin
but u sense some truth in what I said....
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by Nobody: 7:47am On Mar 02, 2017
The original article and the rebuttal are both sound, and I dare say; they both have the interest of Inosson Motors at heart. I can imagine the confusion the M.D of innoson at times might experience. Producing cars is not cheap at all more so taking the Nigerian factor into mind. Do you know how much Toyota, Ford, Benz and the rest spend on advertising alone? Ford bugetted $4.3 bn, Toyota $3.6bn, Lexus another $3.6bn. Innnoson simply does not have that kind of money. That is why she is targeting Government Agencies.

An average (note the word average) Nigerian wants a car of between 800k and N1.5million innoson, or any other car manufacturer cannot produce at that because they will have to compromise on quality.

Its tough doing business its even tougher doing it in Nigeria.

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by Rekeb: 7:50am On Mar 02, 2017
AutoReportNG:
I am forced to give you a rebruttal, but you don't deserve it.

If your firm can't take to corrections, just too bad, trust me, too bad.

God bless Nigeria

Many thanks @autoreportng. You have made some very useful points in your post. The guy who is doing the rebuttal is obviously an agent of Innoson. The tone of the rebuttal is very unfortunate and it basically sums up why most of our enterprises in Nigeria don't break out of the pedestal level. The point is that if Innoson is content with selling to government, we can already see its future taking cognizance of the fickleness of government practices in Nigeria. Another government will come and rubbish what its predecessors have been doing.

I can already see some undertone of we against them in the rebuttal.

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by cnc(m): 7:59am On Mar 02, 2017
myplaydiary:
My write up must have hit a nerve for you to think i work with innoson, while i would love too work with them though, i however need to draw your errs to public knowledge. Your post was indeed very misleading, too bad for an auto blogger, i understand you must eat but do so with common sense, don't pull one down to exalt yourself, i would have love to educate you further but i see you are really hurting already.

Have a good evening.

Classic response...

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by Horlufemi(m): 8:05am On Mar 02, 2017
yungengr:
too much I can't read it

That's a sign of a dead brain.

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by Nnabugwu8590: 8:09am On Mar 02, 2017
Rekeb:


Many thanks @autoreportng. You have made some very useful points in your post. The guy who is doing the rebuttal is obviously an agent of Innoson. The tone of the rebuttal is very unfortunate and it basically sums up why most of our enterprises in Nigeria don't break out of the pedestal level. The point is that if Innoson is content with selling to government, we can already see its future taking cognizance of the fickleness of government practices in Nigeria. Another government will come and rubbish what its predecessors have been doing.

I can already see some undertone of we against them in the rebuttal.
My dear the guy is wrong in the sense that he doesn't know the business map model of Innoson business.
Can he tell us the PAYERS of the Innoson business, can he tell us the LINCHIPS of Innoson business, can he tell us the SWEETENERS of Innoson business, can he tell us the BUSINESS PARTNERS of Innoson business, can he tell us the REVENUE MODEL of Innoson business, can he tell us the GOVERNANCE MODEL of Innoson bussiness.
You can't give analysis on something you don't know its fundamentals/details.

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by swagifted(m): 8:11am On Mar 02, 2017
In the United States of Amu-rica... Ford and Chevrolet combined are still struggling to do numbers with the sales of asian and german automakers....i could go on and on.
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by 2016v2017: 8:11am On Mar 02, 2017
myplaydiary:
https://www.nairaland.com/3658014/why-nigerians-not-buying-innoson

OP while it might be safe to say your finding are correct on the surface but, in reality they are totally and flat out wrong, now Innoson is a businesses man and have professionals whom he pays hundreds of thousands of Naira to keep his business afloat and up par with blue chip companies in his line of business. Deep down in you mind do you really think Innoson or the numerous employees on his payroll don't know all these this things you listed up there i could even add more to make that list "10 reasons why Nigerians are not buying innoson cars".

Now to tell you your mistakes where you are wrong and why Innoson and his numerous employers are not paying attention to any of the things listed up there. First Innoson as an indigenous car manufacturing company is still quite young and in its Nursery stages, for this reasons they are not competing or want to be seen as competitors with any of the other leading foreign brands, we will get to why later.

Secondly, Innosson cannot even meet up with the demand on their hands and even take months and in some cases a year and some months to meet up with demands from some client customers, in most cases Federal, State government and many major transporters, many Nigerians don't know this, Many commercial inter-state buses you ride are actually innosson buses but frank be told you cant tell the difference.

In addition, should innoson, do many of the highlighted as mentioned by the OP he is shoting himself in the foot and indeed sending a signal to foreign car manufacturers who will see the prospect in setting up car plants in the country and in the long run throw the innoson car brand into the Abyss of One time Indigenous car Manufacturing brand best deal he will get is that they will by his plant over or partner with him but name changes.

Going forward innoson right now can only be the under-dog get a small niche whether from federal, state government or Transporters a niche is a niche, we can see he is extending to the military, and if you observe, the truth is innoson is not really interested in selling to individuals as that is the fastest way to kill the brand before it gains any relevance, you might be thinking how's that, Good question, Social media; with the current social media trend, one could buy a innoson vehicle when it gets a flat tire he goes to social media to rant how innoson vehicles cant go a km without a flat tire, she runs her battery down, the goes to social media to rant how her engine knocked cause the car cant start you cant imagine the list is endless, Even a Nigerian senator was guilty of this after using a car for 3 years with one issue. Then you can’t rule out the bad belle factor.

Innoson needs references, client and customers whom can give his business credibility, when he achieves this the growth of his car brand becomes organic and he would not need to do too much to prove to people that his car brands are reliable, he will simply just reference them to high worth groups, companies and agencies using his vehicles and their testimony will sell his cars, also if you do business the first rule is do not do business on sentiments, don’t say you have friends that will buy your products when you make them what if they don’t or what if when those products are not available your friends are Not, Innoson understands this so he is not creating his car for only the Nigerian market as he is already selling to Ghana.

Then talking about his car looking like other cars that is normal with technology, you make your product look like the trending one, look at the Mobile phone industry, the auto mobile industry, Computer industry, i remember you even posted an article her detailing why BMW and Mercedes Benz always have resemblance, these are called borrowed tech normal, totally Normal with any tech industry, call me one car brand i will tell you the next that looks like it and uses same spare parts.

Then coming to the Innoson wagon it has Not even been released or lunched yet it still in the works cut it a slack let them pull it out first, secondly that car was and is being specifically created for NASS, Yes the National Assembly, and we all know those guys do it big, so if Innosson cant offer Big they cant do Innosson its as simple as that. I hope my post has been able to correct the general mindset of Nigerians and Nairalanders that share the same thought process as the OP.

I could continue on and on and on but let me stop here because i know nairalander like it short well i apologize this is already a long post.
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by GEJPosterity: 8:16am On Mar 02, 2017
Nnabugwu8590:

My dear the guy is wrong in the sense that he doesn't know the business map model of Innoson business.
Can he tell me the PAYERS of he Innoson business, can he tell me the LINCHIPS of Innoson business, can he tell me SWEETENERS of Innoson business, can he tell me BUSINESS PARTNERS of Innoson business, can he tell me the REVENUE MODEL of Innoson business, can he tell me the GOVERNANCE MODEL of Innoson bussiness.
You can't give analysis on something when you don't know its fundamentals/details.
Lol you can o. Just call yourself a "blogger", open your laptop, type anything that comes into your head and click "publish". Then copy and paste the crap to Nairaland and get your padi padi mod to move it to the front page so you can get traffic to your blog. It's cheap, easy and requires zero research and insight.

That's why I put up this rebuttal thread exposing the glaring lies in this post: https://www.nairaland.com/3658512/innoson-only-one-showroom-lagos but up till now the mod has refused to move it to the front page because I'm not his friend. That's Naijeriya for you...
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by pestrolus2002(m): 8:49am On Mar 02, 2017
He needs to starts small and make it very affordable to gain confidence of the ppl and to buy more popularity. See mobile phone technology (techno..Infinix..) saved us from going to brake bank for Samsung .. Apple ..Etc. they started small making it affordable and durable now ppl now confidently goes for this brand. Innosson make SUV which are most of the time meant for "big men" why not start with production of tricycle (Keke napep) and saloon cars

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by thexzy(m): 8:50am On Mar 02, 2017
I only managed to read the 1st and the last line. The write-up is just as long as the book of Psalms...Chaiii....Novel readers dey try sha
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by Just30: 8:58am On Mar 02, 2017
myplaydiary:
He is not producing to sell to Ghanaians he produced based on orders made from Ghanaian Government, or would he have refused the offer? then what becomes of the relationship between the company and the Ghanaian Government that made the order.
sorry
The Ghanaian have not made any orders from innoson
His cars was inspected and they haven't been passed for use on Ghana roads

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by charles009(m): 9:02am On Mar 02, 2017
I hear this poo a lot from companies resident in the eastern part, on how you dont want to perceived as a competition. Utter ridiculousness. Many of them believe once they appease the spirits(spend lots of money on rituals) then they should forget conventional sales methods. I have been working with this guys, so quote me at your own peril.

Real facts, every businesd is affected by what porter termed vertical and horizontal forces. Threat of a new entrant, substitute and competitive strenght of any market. Innoson motors lacks professionalism in certain key areas, website is poo, social media underutilized, visibility zero.

Competitor analysis is the strenght of any organisation, make your entrant very loud but be careful with your positioning.

He got it right with his sprinter transport buses, and toyota can tell you they cant compete over time. He should simply avoid confused positioning.

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by Peacefulgold(m): 9:12am On Mar 02, 2017
chronique:
I can't argue with the OP but there are some things that do not add up. A company that cannot produce enough for local consumption, is selling cars in Ghana(exporting)? Just the way Nigeria can't provide constant electricity for 180m people,but can supply electricity to Benin republic and they have almost 24hrs power supply? I guess this is a Nigerian problem. What is the population of Ghana? Can it be compared with Nigeria? Do you have an idea of the amount of cars that come into this country daily? Innoson can't even cater for 5% of the volume of sales; so what business do they have exporting to Ghana?

How many units of buses, cars, SUV, trucks, etc,do they roll out every year? If they can't meet demand, shouldn't that be seen as a good problem? Does the management not know about SWOT analysis? If they can't meet demand, shouldn't they begin to think of expansion? I could go on and on and on. But one thing is sure, as far as the business of vehicle manufacturing is concerned and the management of the business, they are not doing the right thing. Let someone like Dangote delve into that sector, and see what wonders he would perform.
gud question, but on d other hand did u even give it a check and know how many Nigerians are actually interested in buying d car, as a business man u don't force people to buy ur product, u sell to those who are interested in it, so if Nigerian automobile dealers are not interested, den he sells to d Ghanaians who r..
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by Peacefulgold(m): 9:13am On Mar 02, 2017
yungengr:
too much I can't read it
but u can comment..

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by ozoebuka1(m): 9:14am On Mar 02, 2017
AwiLand:
Because He is an IGBOMAN..... Anything that is not done by the Masters up North supported by their Slave down South is not welcomed.
oga everything no be tribalism na haba!!!

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by myplaydiary: 9:30am On Mar 02, 2017
AndyCole16:

Guy......go and sleep. You mess up in your analysis. All because you need an attention from one company. Now you see intelligently responses from page 2 of this thread condemning your attitude. Not those who rush to give you some likes.
Many things are not adding up in your post. Engage me as you are threatening others. I'm ready for you..Nonsense
mumu why should i engage you do i look like your girl who you should be doing ur traditional engagements with.
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by AndyCole16(m): 9:34am On Mar 02, 2017
myplaydiary:
mumu why should i engage you do i look like your girl who you should be doing ur traditional engagements with.

grin grin In fact you have rendered every rebuttal you made invalid with your attitude

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by myplaydiary: 9:48am On Mar 02, 2017
Gwan2:

Bros, please don't always take criticism as sentiments or hatred....I beg of you.
.
In your quest to appeal to your audience, you totally painted the young man in bad light, he did a good job and I must confess his points are very salient not ruling out yours though.
frankly speaking that was not the intention of this thread, I simply created this thread to draw the first OP to light of other factors he failed to consider, but he felt insulted by my post and decided to ridicule my effort and good intentions with his comment on the thread that was why I responded in like manner, however tribalist, haters of innoson and a few loyal to the first OP have bounced on this thread to tribalize it and show their hatred for the brand, thereby messing up my thread which was intended to educate as they were several other factor I did not mention in my post in other to keep it short so nairalander read to the end.
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by mokkalu1(m): 9:55am On Mar 02, 2017
AutoReportNG:
I am forced to give you a rebruttal, but you don't deserve it.

If your firm can't take to corrections, just too bad, trust me, too bad.

God bless Nigeria
See the problem we have? A fresh blogger thinks he knows better than a successful business man and his team of experts, and when one tries to bring him back to reality, he goes ballistic with hurt. IVM have a game they are playing and they are doing it the best way possible. There is something called niche and there is something called strategy. Naija people sef!
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by myplaydiary: 9:58am On Mar 02, 2017
gist4real:
The original article and the rebuttal are both sound, and I dare say; they both have the interest of Inosson Motors at heart. I can imagine the confusion the M.D of innoson at times might experience. Producing cars is not cheap at all more so taking the Nigerian factor into mind. Do you know how much Toyota, Ford, Benz and the rest spend on advertising alone? Ford bugetted $4.3 bn, Toyota $3.6bn, Lexus another $3.6bn. Innnoson simply does not have that kind of money. That is why she is targeting Government Agencies.

An average (note the word average) Nigerian wants a car of between 800k and N1.5million innoson, or any other car manufacturer cannot produce at that because they will have to compromise on quality.

Its tough doing business its even tougher doing it in Nigeria.


well said and nicely put, you have my like.
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by myplaydiary: 10:13am On Mar 02, 2017
GEJPosterity:

Lol you can o. Just call yourself a "blogger", open your laptop, type anything that comes into your head and click "publish". Then copy and paste the crap to Nairaland and get your padi padi mod to move it to the front page so you can get traffic to your blog. It's cheap, easy and requires zero research and insight.

That's why I put up this rebuttal thread exposing the glaring lies in this post: https://www.nairaland.com/3658512/innoson-only-one-showroom-lagos but up till now the mod has refused to move it to the front page because I'm not his friend. That's Naijeriya for you...
Exactly why I created this thread to correct the first OP the fact that one has an auto blog does not make him or her knowledgeable with things they have limited information about, see how the first OP made Innoson as a company look very unprofessional in her dealings, when he the first OP is not privy to information about the company.
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by myplaydiary: 10:18am On Mar 02, 2017
Just30:
sorry
The Ghanaian have not made any orders from innoson
His cars was inspected and they haven't been passed for use on Ghana roads
Please do your finding I don't want to derail my thread by posting links here and changing the subject of discuss, please do your findings personally and let's stay on topic. Thank you.
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by AndyCole16(m): 10:32am On Mar 02, 2017
myplaydiary:
Please do your finding I don't want to derail my thread by posting links here and changing the subject of discuss, please do your findings personally and let's stay on topic. Thank you.
Since you joined nairaland less than two weeks ago, I will educate you on link posting.
You are not derailing your thread by posting a link though external but can lend a credence to topic at hand.
You can go over to the rule section to see links to post
So please post all the links you can to educate us.
***modified***

Really enjoying this.....I tell you, 'the hunter is now being hunted' grin

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by myplaydiary: 10:33am On Mar 02, 2017
charles009:
I hear this poo a lot from companies resident in the eastern part, on how you dont want to perceived as a competition. Utter ridiculousness. Many of them believe once they appease the spirits(spend lots of money on rituals) then they should forget conventional sales methods. I have been working with this guys, so quote me at your own peril.

Real facts, every businesd is affected by what porter termed vertical and horizontal forces. Threat of a new entrant, substitute and competitive strenght of any market. Innoson motors lacks professionalism in certain key areas, website is poo, social media underutilized, visibility zero.

Competitor analysis is the strenght of any organisation, make your entrant very loud but be careful with your positioning.

He got it right with his sprinter transport buses, and toyota can tell you they cant compete over time. He should simply avoid confused positioning.




What are you talking about which eastern company are you referring too is it;
Ibeto Group
Chikason Group
Tonimas
Juhel
Orange drugs
Trans globe
Inter Bau
Bukar Group. To name a few the list is endless.

..are you referring to small start ups or you simply want to throw jibes at the south east and tribalize my thread abi.

As for innoson the competition I speak of, is against leading multinational car brands that their media/advert budget alone will build 3 additional motor plants for innoson, what chance does he stand against such companies.
Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by goddasonik: 10:36am On Mar 02, 2017
mokkalu1:

See the problem we have? A fresh blogger thinks he knows better than a successful business man and his team of experts, and when one tries to bring him back to reality, he goes ballistic with hurt. IVM have a game they are playing and they are doing it the best way possible. There is something called niche and there is something called strategy. Naija people sef!
I bottle of cold Origin for u

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by charles009(m): 10:44am On Mar 02, 2017
myplaydiary:
What are you talking about which eastern company are you referring too is it;
Ibeto Group
Chikason Group
Tonimas
Juhel
Orange drugs
Trans globe
Inter Bau
Bukar Group. To name a few the list is endless.

..are you referring to small start ups or you simply want to throw jibes at the south east and tribalize my thread abi.

As for innoson the competition I speak of, is against leading multinational car brands that their media/advert budget alone will build 3 additional motor plants for innoson, what chance does he stand against such companies.

Answer this question, what chance did big cola have when they first moved, a lot of jargon was written on how coca cola will frustrate them bla bla bla. Today, you know the statistics and funny enough big cola is not dolling out funds for media campaign like coca cola does.the key to sucess is very simple. Story for another day.

I am from anambra state, worked with a very popular spirit company in onitsha, had to leave after few months, naivety was at its peak there.the gmd will prefer to make futule trips rather than dole out funds for media campaign

Back to innoson motors, have you heard about sentiments marketing and native intelligence. Innoson does not have any competition, value proposition is totally different. Can you tell me the percetage of Nigerian car owners that drive brand new cars less than 0.05%.

So dont give me that antiquated story that competition will knock them off business, its more a case of being stingy and like the great owner of Elizade motors once told me.
In business take it in small chops, maybe the case here

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by myplaydiary: 10:52am On Mar 02, 2017
Peacefulgold:

gud question, but on d other hand did u even give it a check and know how many Nigerians are actually interested in buying d car, as a business man u don't force people to buy ur product, u sell to those who are interested in it, so if Nigerian automobile dealers are not interested, den he sells to d Ghanaians who r..
Please don't respond to some of those comments, some are just being sentimental even when they know innoson stands no chance against these multinationals at least for now, those multinationals don't see him as threat same way he is not in any direct competition with them. The second set of posters are just being emotional and leaning toward the first OP because they think this thread was aimed at taking shot or running the first OP down, which is not the case. The case of Innoson and other Multinational car brand is like your local corner store vs shoprite or mega stores, no matter how much the corner store spends on advert his sales increases but but does not dent the sales of shoprite they are in no direct competition whatsoever. Instead the multinational stands as a threat to the corner store. It a case of available goods and service vs premium quality goods and service.

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Re: RE: Why Nigerians Are Not Buying Innoson Cars (Misleading Post By AutoReportNG) by myplaydiary: 10:56am On Mar 02, 2017
AndyCole16:


grin grin In fact you have rendered every rebuttal you made invalid with your attitude
In a case ruled by Justice Andy, abi. Face front jare

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