You're confusing yourself not Christians. Keep adding and subtracting from the bible.

orisa37:
Jesus is CARE(LOVE) from Above.
And He commanded us to CARE FOR OURSELVES LIKE OURSELVES.
If only you understand CARE and OURSELVES in Biblical ramifications, then there should be no confusion about The Full Divine Autonomy of Jesus Christ!!!
Christianity is plain, simple and unambiquous as enunciated by The Gospels, The Epistles and The Revelation.
So please ADD no confusion, and do not SUBTRACT vitality, from The Works of 21 Centuries ago.

keep quiet. Read Hebrews 1:8 where God the father refwrs to Jesus as God and cure your ignorance.

samuelsontech:


Bro, there is no scripture as such as that, and the reason is because Jesus is the son of God and not God. He (Jesus) is the Son whom the Father have vested all the power in heaven and on earth. John 17:2

Here in the scripture below, the voice of the father spoke in affirmation of the Father/Son relationship to the public confirming his right and authority. Matthew 3:17.

God bless your understanding sir.

Amberon11:
John 10 : 30 "I and my Father are one".

Everyone knows the father is God.

Also God the father refers to Jesus as God in Hebrew 1: 8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne , O God , is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Forget and put aside what God the Father said please because what DeSepiero asked, is, where in the NT, did Jesus Himself and no other, DIRECTLY called Himself God?

Best comment ever.

smartnero24:


Amidst the diversity in xtian doctrines, Jesus said " And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".
Jesus also said "In the last days shall many false prophets arise claiming to be the Christ but watch and pray that ye be not deceived"

Any pastor, church can have any doctrine they like but in the end what matters is God's unchanging standard. The Word of God, as contained in the Holy Bible. God won't ask anyone what the doctrines in their churches were, we'll all be judged based on His word, His do's & don'ts.

So instead of worrying why there are so many doctrines, why not pick a Bible today and read for yourself. God will reveal himself to you on a personal level for He said " seek and ye shall find"

This is the only way you'll know if what your pastor and church teaches aligns with what God says.

Pls stop deceiving yourself. Jesus is God and wouldnt bemd words fir a mere mortal. Throughout the bible , Jesus was always bold to speak the truth even in the face of death so why would he lie about being God? Are you calling Jesus a liar?

Read Hebrews 1:8 , here God the father refers to Jesus Christ as God. If you don't see Jesus as God then you're not a christian because you're doubting the very words of God.

walls01:


if you continue reading he said he is the son of God, but the Jews wanting him to sound blasphemous said he said he his God.
I ask you where did he say he his God? he severally said God his his father and in john 20:17 he referre to God has his God

I already quoted John 10:30

MuttleyLaff:
Forget and put aside what God the Father said please because what DeSepiero asked, is, where in the NT, did Jesus Himself and no other, DIRECTLY called Himself God?

The bolded is unnecessary.

adetayo234:


This statement shows you are deficient of scriptural knowledge. And when it comes to condemning Catholics, people like you with limited scriptural knowledge will open your mouth to spew utter ignorance on what you know little or nothing about.

Since you've been attending your Pentecostal church hasn't your pastor ever read John 14:8-9 in your hearing before?

Since you claim to know so much, tell us why God the father refers to Jesus Christ as God in Hebrews 1:8.

walls01:


why do Jesus always refer himself as the son of God. and always say the father sent him?

You're uttering Mumbo-Jumbos that make no sense whatsoever. Do you know that all things were created by Jesus Christ and for Jesus Christ?

Ask yourself why God said "Let us make man in our own image" in the book of Genesis. Why didn't God say, "Let me make man in my own image"? Who were the others ?

walls01:


unfortunately you get it totally wrong. you have this belief maybe from your denomination.
I have many questions to ask you but answer the basic first. why do Jesus always referring to himself as son of God and always saying the father sent me

Amberon11:
I already quoted John 10:30

Repeating forget and put aside what God the Father said please.

This is because what DeSepiero asked, is, where in the NT, did Jesus Himself and no other, DIRECTLY called Himself God?

The keywords needed to be seen are God and directly.
Anything short of using them two, is not permissable

knowing JESUSCHRIST is all about Peace&UNBELIEVABLE power&light #do you sleep peacefully at night without evil oppression&EVIL molestation is our question? behold whoever leads you to JESUS Christ must give you PEACE&empowerment&light that's what JESUS saves and BORNAGAIN or knowing Jesus Christ means&if those are lacking in you then you must seek Jesus Christ truly&be empowered because Jesus Christ owns the power the evil people you fear uses&thats why he said all power have been given to me &I am.the light of the world if you know Jesus Christ the light&power automatically becomes yours same as we are able to share to whoever comes to.us&that's the confidence of mantle authority&our ability to take you to real JesusChrist without suffering you with fasting &night vigil & program upon programmes.test&see that it's very easy to follow JesusChrist . Mathew 13,13-15

walls01:


unfortunately you get it totally wrong. you have this belief maybe from your denomination.
I have many questions to ask you but answer the basic first. why do Jesus always referring to himself as son of God and always saying the father sent me

I'm not under any obligation to answer your question.

Whatever meaning or translation you have to my initial response, it is your cup of tea, bro. I can't help or oblige you further. You want better response? Go consult your Bible.

MuttleyLaff:
What's the matter with you?
I'll tell you what, I'll soon leave you to DeSepiero to puncture holes, if you continue in this your headstrong stance.

Can't you see that DeSepiero expressed in a way, that makes it completely clear, what he meant with his question?

He asked where Jesus in the NT, directly called Himself God.
Directly and God are the key words, not whether He mentioned, if you see me, you've seen the Father etcetera

That John 14:9 you're latching on to, means, circumlocution at its best to me.

What's this one saying now? So if whoever you call puncture hole, I will not get my daily bread again? Nonsense. You better goan find something meaningful to do with your life instead of proving to be a superman over emptiness

Amberon11:
Since you claim to know so much, tell us why God the father refers to Jesus Christ as God in Hebrews 1:8.

Then read verse 9 and it says ''God, even THY GOD...'' So, whose God is that part referring to?

Amberon11:
Since you claim to know so much, tell us why God the father refers to Jesus Christ as God in Hebrews 1:8.

Apostle Paul did so in his epistle to the Hebrews NOT God.

MuttleyLaff:
There is no biblical NT record of Jesus directly referring to Himself as God, but there are abundant biblical NT records where Jesus indirectly referred to Himself as God.
At one [b]occasion [/b]in the New Testament, some present Jews understood Him referring Himself to God and wanted to kill for that, by stoning Him.

Which occasion?

DeSepiero:
I'm wondering, 'is there any verse of the new testament which quotes Jesus directly referring to himself as God?'

cc
cure your doubts
MuttleyLaff
walls01
samuelsontech

Jesus calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time. Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy.
He forgave sins, something only God does.
People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me.
We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God)

Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)
Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him.
Check also Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16.

The scripture is also very clear in;
1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist.

So in conclusion;
God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (john 17:5)
Jesus called himself the Son of God.
His disciples called him the son of God.
Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.
Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God.
John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.
The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God
Even Demons he casted out called him the son of God.

i wonder what other proves from the bible the anti-christs of this world need

MuttleyLaff:
You asked me to read in John 20:17.
I read it, only to find it had no relevance to any points on the table

Now after I first referred you to John 10:33, you shifted and abandoned your goal post and then again start asking me to read John 10:33-47. To what ends I don't know

DeSepiero asked where in the NT Jesus directly said He was God and John 10:33 is the closest

John 10:33 doesn't quote Jesus claiming to be God. It quotes the Jews accusing Jesus of claiming to be God.

DeSepiero:
Which occasion?

They replied,
"We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy!
You, a mere man, claim to be God
- John 10:33

The occasion, is in John 10:33 above, that is when and where the Jews, said they wanted to kill Jesus, obviously because according to their understanding, He claimed to be God

DeSepiero:
John 10:33 doesn't quote Jesus claiming to be God. It quotes the Jews accusing Jesus of claiming to be God.

I had already mentioned that there is no NT reference of Jesus claiming to be God,
then later added that, the closest will be John 10:33 because there in John 10:33, though we don't hear or read Jesus directly claiming to be God, He was accused of claiming to be God.

We never read Jesus denying the Jews' accusation(s) that He claims(ed) to be God.
Can bet my bottom dollar you know why too, Jesus never refuted, disputed or deny He claimed to be God.
Jesus didn't refute, dispute, deny or argue because He is God

adetayo234:
What's this one saying now?
So if whoever you call puncture hole,
[s]I will not get my daily bread again? Nonsense. You better goan find something meaningful to do with your life instead of proving to be a superman over emptiness[/s]

DeSepiero raised the question, so I was saying I will leave it to him to puncture holes in the alternative answers you put forward to his clearly expressed question

parisbookaddict:
cc
cure your doubts
MuttleyLaff
walls01
samuelsontech

Jesus calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time. Infact this is what led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy.
He forgave sins, something only God does.
People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he didn't say No don't worship me.
We Christians know on earth he had 2 natures human(son of man) and divine(son of God)

Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)
Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him.
Check also Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16.

The scripture is also very clear in;
1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist.

So in conclusion;
God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (john 17:5)
Jesus called himself the Son of God.
His disciples called him the son of God.
Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.
Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God.
John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.
The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God
Even Demons he casted out called him the son of God.

i wonder what other proves from the bible the anti-christs of this world need

I'm wondering, 'is there any verse of the new testament which quotes Jesus directly referring to himself as God?'
- DeSepiero ©

parisbookaddict, have a good look at the above question from DeSepiero again
and let's start to be honest with each other,
now after you have gone over your response, does your conscience tell you that your response correctly answered DeSepiero's simple and clearly expressed question?

The keywords in his question were "DIRECTLY" and "God",
anything less or short or not using those words alone, are not allowed
DiarisGod ooo.

MuttleyLaff:
There is no biblical NT record of Jesus directly referring to Himself as God...

As this involves significant identification of the person of Christ, don't you think we should NOT be dealing with indirect reference? Is Jesus being GOD not that important that it should be relegated to allusion?

dapyd1:
Doctrines have been the bane of Christianity over the years.

The reason why a celestial member will not marry a redeem member is doctrine. The reason why a Christ embassy member will not relate with a deeper life member is doctrine.

We have abandoned the message of love, of Christ, of unity and have carried on our heads doctrine of pastors and denomination love.

This has made Christianity a laughing stock, why conversion is low and the main reason the church does not have influence in world affairs as it should.

Point of correction conversion isn't low.

MuttleyLaff:
DeSepiero raised the question, so I was saying I will leave it to him to puncture holes in the alternative answers you put forward to his clearly expressed question

Abeg goan find something meaningful to do with your life instead of behaving as if your life depends on nairaland

charlsecy:
As this involves significant identification of the person of Christ, don't you think we should NOT be dealing with indirect reference? Is Jesus being GOD not that important that it should be relegated to allusion?

We never read Jesus denying the Jews' accusation(s) that He claims(ed) to be God.

Can bet my bottom dollar, you too know as well as I do, why Jesus never refuted, disputed or denied He claimed to be God.

Jesus didn't refute, dispute, deny or argue because He is God

adetayo234:
Abeg goan find something meaningful to do with your life instead of behaving as if your life depends on nairaland

Regardless of whatever motives might be behind DeSepiero's simple and straightforward question, courtesy demands that the available honest answer be given that Jesus did not anywhere in the New Testament DIRECTLY say He is God.

It isn't that a hard question, that needed labouring over or tweaking an answer for

I never for once expected Jesus to DIRECTLY say or claim to be God anyway because His essence, His works, His persona etcetera proves Him to be God

MuttleyLaff:
Regardless of whatever motives might be behind DeSepiero's simple and straightforward question, courtesy demands that the available honest answer be given that Jesus did not anywhere in the New Testament DIRECTLY say He is God.

It isn't that a hard question, that needed labouring over or tweaking an answer for

I never for once expected Jesus to DIRECTLY say or claim to be God anyway because His essence, His works, His persona etcetera proves Him to be God

Dey there they spew meaningless English; don't goan make your life useful for yourself. For your information, I didn't even read the trash you wrote

adetayo234:
Dey there they spew meaningless English; don't goan make your life useful for yourself.
For your information, I didn't even read the trash you wrote

Why am I not surprised you didn't read?

If you couldn't read properly enough to respond correctly to DeSepiero's simple and clearly written question, what then made you think the benefit of what I wrote was for you.

Please carry go with sorry self inferiority complex. Mtchew. Tufiakwa. Tu ito e danu.

adetayo234:
You have a big inferiority problem o.

You can't even manage being original.
Carry on and watch your inadequacy become infamous.

adetayo234:
Why are you craving attention like an im.becile?

Put it this way, maybe it's because I have an aversion to any adetayo234s that refuse and/or can't give a honest response to a simple and clearly asked DeSepiero question