Ranchhoddas:
I don't think it always be an us versus them thing but for the sake of this thread, I am totally for you.

The jury's still out on that one.

I understand the OP point though I know it's very myopic (for lack of a better word).

Threads upon threads on gender are created daily on Nairaland and a group of women have taken it upon themselves to dispel what they believe to be wrong notions held by men about women.
My comment was simply an acknowledgment of the relentlessness with which you all try to defend yourselves daily.

Hmmmm @ the bolded, very careful choice of words

Thanks for the acknowledgment. Since you are with us can you help out?

I'll go mad if I had to put up with that all the time.

Is that so? but you spend all your time on religion section (or at least you used to) and used the time spent to dispel what you believe are the wrong notions held by christains about God.(or am I wrong? If I'm wrong I'll take it back,)

How did you manage without going mad?

Una dey try well well

.

Thanks

It's not really about spending time, I just handle whatever thread catches my fancy.

Daeylar:


The jury's still out on that one.




Hmmmm @ the bolded, very careful choice of words

Thanks for the acknowledgment. Since you are with us can you help out?




Is that so? but you spend all your time on religion section (or at least you used to) and used the time spent to dispel what you believe are the wrong notions held by christains about God.(or am I wrong? If I'm wrong I'll take it back,)

How did you manage without going mad?

.

Thanks

It's not really about spending time, I just handle whatever thread catches my fancy.

You are welcome. I am not always in agreement with the women so I can't "help out".


My views on religion are complicated I don't even understand them myself. They keep changing as I obtain new information. I think it's going to be that way for the foreseeable future.

I did not go mad then because I was enjoying it. The high that came from feeling free from religion kept me going.
These days I'm more sober. I think there's something out there. I just have to find out what it is.

supersystemsnig:



Guy go naaah...Oya ignored..

Yeah whatever.

Just know that the rod of common sense is always within reach and I will not hesitate to whip you with it till you develop sense.

Ranchhoddas:
You are welcome. I am not always in agreement with the women so I can't "help out".

But you were in agreement with us in this thread? Why didn't you help out in this thread?, that's what I specifically asked instead you supported someone that said men can get away with bad behaviour and women can't. Anyways since you are not in agreement (even though you said you were) and can't help out, and even went a step further calling women who are just defending themselves "rabid feminists" to denigrate them, while still speaking from the other side of your mouth and saying you are in agreement with us, SMH,
Can you now leave women to support themselves in peace and stop with the faux sympathy?

My views on religion are complicated I don't even understand them myself. They keep changing as I obtain new information. I think it's going to be that way for the foreseeable future.

I did not go mad then because I was enjoying it. The high that came from feeling free from religion kept me going.

At least you acknowledge that you were on most threads then (and i think you still are) and didn't go mad, so why wonder about us when you did the same thing yourself? Pot, kettle?

These days I'm more sober. I think there's something out there. I just have to find out what it is.

All right. Something like what? A creator? A God?

Ranchhoddas:
Yeah whatever.

Just know that the rod of common sense is always within reach and I will not hesitate to whip you with it till you develop sense.

Better go and play Nairabet...No be me do you oh

Marcelo290:
Lol firstly I'm not pained, you are clearly the one who is. Am not a. misogynist, I've reiterated that enough.

So you keep saying.....

But, by your claims here, it's clear that you are something much worse than a misogynist. In my earlier responses to you, I tacitly tried to make you realize that your worries about raising wayward children shouldn't be limited to girls alone, by keeping the tips non-gender specific. I hoped you would let this become about parenting proper children. But, instead, you chose to point out that boys weren't to be worried about in the same way because they were biologically and socially designed to "get away with" any immoralities their parents aided and abetted them with. . That's so disappointing. But I don't believe I should be surprised at all; the Nigerian society is so misogynistic, that you think this kind of thinking is normal. Maybe you're a victim too, a misogynist by default and oblivious of the fact?


By your own admission, girls are always left "holding the bag", suffering the repercussions. The victims of social ills. And you think the best decision here is to birth male offspring? What problem do you see exactly when you're looking at the situation?

Your real worry should be: how do I become a proper father to a son who doesn't become a perp. Because if biology and society do not deter the boy-child from immoral acts, then the formation he receives at home is, perhaps, the only teacher. This should worry any parent worth his salt. So much even, that you might admit to your inadequacies in advance, and decide not to have any sons. As a parent, you have a responsibility to society as well; you cannot just inject delinquents into the world.

Rukkydelta:

O yeah
You are the one that that now reason with logic?
Please don't have a female child, don't even marry one
Cos it's people like you that place high judgement on females that may at times leads to depression

You mustn't agree with my assertions, but at least try to argue with logic to prove a point. Instead of giving me your opinion on the subject matter, you went on and on trying to turn it to mean female hatred, crying foul like a wounded goat. Your post is simply devoid of logic and factual analysis. You can read that of others to see the difference.

RaggedyAnn:



So you keep saying.....

But, by your claims here, it's clear that you are something much worse than a misogynist. In my earlier responses to you, I tacitly tried to make you realize that your worries about raising wayward children shouldn't be limited to girls alone, by keeping the tips non-gender specific. I hoped you would let this become about parenting proper children. But, instead, you chose to point out that boys weren't to be worried about in the same way because they were biologically and socially designed to "get away with" any immoralities their parents aided and abetted them with. . That's so disappointing. But I don't believe I should be surprised at all; the Nigerian society is so misogynistic, that you think this kind of thinking is normal. Maybe you're a victim too, a misogynist by default and oblivious of the fact?


By your own admission, girls are always left "holding the bag", suffering the repercussions. The victims of social ills. And you think the best decision here is to birth male offspring? What problem do you see exactly when you're looking at the situation?

Your real worry should be: how do I become a proper father to a son who doesn't become a perp. Because if biology and society do not deter the boy-child from immoral acts, then the formation he receives at home is, perhaps, the only teacher. This should worry any parent worth his salt. So much even, that you might admit to your inadequacies in advance, and decide not to have any sons. As a parent, you have a responsibility to society as well; you cannot just inject delinquents into the world.

If for nothing, I love the way you present your argument. Now let me correct some things you said about me. You aren't in my mind to tell directly what I feel and think. I never exonerated the actions of boys, if your intent wasn't to paint me black, you would see where I empathized on it in my ending paragraphs, because I know thoughts like that would definitely surface.

Guys commit huge crimes, even worse than one can imagine, some even lead their parents to their early grave, so I'm not just praying for male children but those that won't bring shame upon me. Now why I emphasized on girls is because the tension is high on their own side, you may dodge around this to come out clean but it doesn't stop it from being the fact cos deep down you, you know it's true. I'm a person of integrity and can't bear the shame if my daughter whom I sacrificed alot to train, comes back home with a protruding stomach in the name of unwanted pregnancy by some unscrupulous boy. I'm not upholding the action of the boy in this scenario but we all know the most disgrace goes to the girl cos she carry about the evidence their actions.

On the other hand, I won't find it funny to discover my daughter rides with every ducking and Harry on the streets, I'm not saying it is justifiable for guys but girls are in the most receiving ends, because if her V is too wide, most men would already take her for a slut, but for a guy how do you detect if he has been promiscuous aside contacting a STD? you can't. so should we blame Nature then? That's the point am trying to make, am not saying so cos am a guy but it's just the truth you wouldn't want to accept.

Albeit, I still appreciate your arguments and points, at least you made some sense worthy of noting and I now consider having a change of ideology hence you have tried beyond doubts to convince me.

Daeylar:


But you were in agreement with us in this thread? Why didn't you help out in this thread?, that's what I specifically asked instead you supported someone that said men can get away with bad behaviour and women can't. Anyways since you are not in agreement (even though you said you were) and can't help out, and even went a step further calling women who are just defending themselves "rabid feminists" to denigrate them, while still speaking from the other side of your mouth and saying you are in agreement with us, SMH,
Can you now leave women to support themselves in peace and stop with the faux sympathy?




At least you acknowledge that you were on most threads then (and i think you still are) and didn't go mad, so why wonder about us when you did the same thing yourself? Pot, kettle?




All right. Something like what? A creator? A God?

I will never do or say anything to denigrate women and I apologize if I have given such an impression with my comments.

I will defend the rights of women everywhere in anyway I can.

But "rabid feminism" is a real thing. It's not acknowledging your "inadequacies" and blaming the men for all the things you have failed to achieve.
It's adopting the word "misogyny" as a mantra and chanting it whenever things go wrong in your life.

---

Do you enjoy dispelling false notions?
Are you not irked when these threads are created.
I really enjoyed bashing religion. I still do. The look of awe and fear I see on people's face when I go against notions they hold sacred is priceless so you can see why I have not gone mad.

---

Something like an Infinite Mind. The Primam Causam...

RaggedyAnn:



But I don't believe I should be surprised at all; the Nigerian society is so misogynistic...

Saudi Arabia I can understand but how is the Nigerian society "so misogynistic"?
Were you deprived of anything that your brothers got because you were female and considered inferior?

Are not allowed to drive, own property or run for office?

What makes Nigeria misogynistic for the love of God?

Dare I use the word "rabid"?

Cc: Daeylar.

Ranchhoddas:
Saudi Arabia I can understand but how is the Nigerian society "so misogynistic"?
Were you deprived of anything that your brothers got because you were female and considered inferior?

Are not allowed to drive, own property or run for office?

What makes Nigeria misogynistic for the love of God?

Dare I use the word "rabid"?

Cc: Daylar.

No you may not you may not call another human being rabid, especially for an opinion which has no effect on you.

Don't worry, my Ann will answer you. She's up to the task.

Let me answer the meñtion you gave me

Daeylar:


No you may not you may not call another human being rabid, especially for an opinion which has no effect on you.

Don't worry, my Ann will answer you. She's up to the task.

Let me answer the meñtion you gave me

It's a figure of speech.

Come on.

Ranchhoddas:
It's a figure of speech.

Come on.

My reply wasn't meant to be serious, that's why I put all those emojis. was just being lighthearted.

Ranchhoddas:
Saudi Arabia I can understand but how is the Nigerian society "so misogynistic"?

Saudi Arabia has state sanctioned institutional and cultural misogyny while Nigeria is more cultural thanks to the British law which we adopted due to colonialism our situation for pass Saudi own.

Were you deprived of anything that your brothers got because you were female and considered inferior?

yes in Igbo culture for example

Are not allowed to drive, own property or run for office?

yes in the north I will attach evidence below

What makes Nigeria misogynistic for the love of God?

archaic culture and tradition coupled with misogynistic Islam and Christianity.

Dare I use the word "rabid"?

don't you dare

Cc: Daeylar.

I guess I just learnt to quote detail by detail
I'm so proud of myself huraaaay!

Proudgorgeousga:

Lol, happy for you was happy when I learnt also

Ranchhoddas no reply from you, hope you're not annoyed?

Daeylar:

Lol, happy for you was happy when I learnt also
Ranchhoddas no reply from you, hope you're not annoyed?

Of course not. I was trying to read through the other thread.

Ranchhoddas:
Saudi Arabia I can understand but how is the Nigerian society "so misogynistic"?
Were you deprived of anything that your brothers got because you were female and considered inferior?

Are not allowed to drive, own property or run for office?

What makes Nigeria misogynistic for the love of God?

Dare I use the word "rabid"?

Cc: Daelar.

Now you've seen one example of a misogynist, you see another example from the op of this thread,
Are you still asking what makes the Nigerian society misogynistic?

RaggedyAnn:



So you keep saying.....

But, by your claims here, it's clear that you are something much worse than a misogynist.

What is he? Can you put a name to it?

In my earlier responses to you, I tacitly tried to make you realize that your worries about raising wayward children shouldn't be limited to girls alone, by keeping the tips non-gender specific

I noticed what you were doing, I saw how you took pains to keep the tips non - gender specific, but I don't think he noticed, he was too busy using your post as an excuse to shade me and anyone who called him out , I even thought of drawing his attention to the fact that your post which he loved so much wasn't gender specific, but he was too busy shading us that I decided not to, lol, he couldn't get the hint

I hoped you would let this become about parenting proper children. But, instead, you chose to point out that boys weren't to be worried about in the same way because they were biologically and socially designed to "get away with" any immoralities their parents aided and abetted them with. . That's so disappointing. But I don't believe I should be surprised at all; the Nigerian society is so misogynistic, that you think this kind of thinking is normal. Maybe you're a victim too, a misogynist by default and oblivious of the fact?


By your own admission, girls are always left "holding the bag", suffering the repercussions. The victims of social ills. And you think the best decision here is to birth male offspring? What problem do you see exactly when you're looking at the situation?

Your real worry should be: how do I become a proper father to a son who doesn't become a perp. Because if biology and society do not deter the boy-child from immoral acts, then the formation he receives at home is, perhaps, the only teacher. This should worry any parent worth his salt. So much even, that you might admit to your inadequacies in advance, and decide not to have any sons. As a parent, you have a responsibility to society as well; you cannot just inject delinquents into the world.

Since he loved taking your advice so much the first time I hope he also does the same this time around

Modified, saw where he replied you, don't really know what he is saying, just got that he is grasping for straws on how to defend himself

Proudgorgeousga:


Saudi Arabia has state sanctioned institutional and cultural misogyny while Nigeria is more cultural thanks to the British law which we adopted due to colonialism our situation for pass Saudi own.


yes in Igbo culture for example



yes in the north I will attach evidence below





archaic culture and tradition coupled with misogynistic Islam and Christianity.



don't you dare



I guess I just learnt to quote detail by detail
I'm so proud of myself huraaaay!

The girl don kee me oo.


Personally what you been deprived of because you are female that your brothers got?
I'm guessing nothing.
The Igbo and Northern examples are vestiges of a dying way of doing things. The majority of people do not think this way so it's not enough to say Nigeria is misogynistic.
Even in more developed Asia, premium is still placed on the male gender till today.
The gender imbalance as a result of the One-Child Policy in China is a good example of this.
In fact, I think Nigeria is doing relatively well when it comes to women empowerment.
Hell, even the Deputy Secretary-General of the United Nations is a Nigerian woman, of Northern extraction I have to add.

You all just like making mountains out of nothing. *runs for cover*

RaggedyAnn:
Maybe you're a victim too, a misogynist by default and oblivious of the fact?

This might be correct. Most of us grew up that way. Believing it to be "normal", to be the "natural order", the ONLY way things can be arranged. We saw nothing wrong in it. Once we've been brainwashed with these archaic orientations, not many of us usually manage to break out of it. Many remain locked into the bullshiit for life, even women.

This topic shouldn't be taken seriously in the first instance. I had to hiss at his stupidity and leave the pointless thread.

Help me ask him if it is baboons and monkeys that these promiscious girls are fúcking.

Daeylar:


Now you've seen one example of a misogynist, you see another example from the op of this thread,
Are you still asking what makes the Nigerian society misogynistic?

Misogyny is a very strong word.
It means hatred literally.
Do these people really hate women?
I think not.

Ranchhoddas:
Misogyny is a very strong word.
It means hatred literally.
Do these people really hate women?
I think not.

Semantics, huh? How about "sexism" and "male chauvinism"?

ZandhaZaraZ:
This might be correct. Most of us grew up that way. Believing it to be "normal", to be the "natural order", the ONLY way things can be arranged. We saw nothing wrong in it. Once we've been brainwashed with these archaic orientations, not many of us usually manage to break out of it. Many remain locked into the bullshiit for life, even women.

Truth

This topic shouldn't be taken seriously in the first instance. I had to hiss at his stupidity and leave the pointless thread.

No lies told

Help me ask him if it is baboons and monkeys that these promiscious girls are fúcking.

We did ask, , his response here

Macelo290:
That is the exact point I'm trying to explain to them, males can get away with it but same can't be said of women reason for my fears, the society is already biased in that angle.

Another response

Macelo290:
You have a point, why I emphasized on girls is because guys can always get away with their actions, I'm not appraising them but the society has made it so, same cannot be said of girls.

Further BS here too long couldn't quote it all

Macelo290:

ZandhaZaraZ:
Semantics, huh? How about "sexism" and "male chauvinism"?

Real semantics, someone says he doesn't want to have a female child and he asking if the person really hates women .

Besides, this is what you'll get when you search out the meaning of misogyny on google nothing like hate there, no shifting of goal post allowed
take note of the words used, and tell me if op doesn't display all of these characteristics
"dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women."


Cc Ranchhoddas

Ranchhoddas:
The girl don kee me oo.


[s]Personally what you been deprived of because you are female that your brothers got?
I'm guessing nothing.
The Igbo and Northern examples are vestiges of a dying way of doing things. The majority of people do not think this way so it's not enough to say Nigeria is misogynistic.
Even in more developed Asia, premium is still placed on the male gender till today.
The gender imbalance as a result of the One-Child Policy in China is a good example of this.
In fact, I think Nigeria is doing relatively well when it comes to women empowerment.
Hell, even the Deputy Secretary-General of the United Nations is a Nigerian woman, of Northern extraction I have to add.[/s]

You all just like making mountains out of nothing. *runs for cover*

You are oblivious to the fact because you are male brought up in the culture so I ain't surprised with your response.

You don't get to tell me what happens in my culture cos I'm Igbo.
Majority of Nigerians both male and female are male chauvinists and sexists but are oblivious to it. Don't tell me you don't read all the misogynistic support for DV, rape apologists and their warped view of subjection packaged as virtue in marriage.

This is why we continue to have this conversations to let them see different perspectives

Proudgorgeousga:


You are oblivious to the fact because you are male brought up in the culture so I ain't surprised with your response.

You don't get to tell me what happens in my culture cos I'm Igbo.
Majority of Nigerians both male and female are male chauvinists and sexists but are oblivious to it. Don't tell me you don't read all the misogynistic support for DV, rape apologists and their warped view of subjection packaged as virtue in marriage.

This is why we continue to have this conversations to let them see different perspectives

Even in India, China and arab works they prefer male..to carry the family names


All these feminist wahala seff

Ranchhoddas:

*runs for cover*

Why are you running away? come back

Marcelo290:
That is the exact point I'm trying to explain to them, males can get away with it but same can't be said of women reason for my fears, the society is already biased in that angle.

So, this is the shitty reason for you praying not to have a female child? Because, "society is already biased in that angle?" This is nonsense. So, why do you plan to marry a female? Isn't she someone's child? If every man thinks in this ridiculous manner, and if prayers get answered, won't the human race go extinct?

Let me apply your logic from a different angle: "I do not pray to give birth to a male child, because I do not want any child to bring shame and disgrace to my family. If he turns out to be a lazy idiot who doesn't work hard, and is unable to provide for his family and take care of his wife and children, he would be labelled a useless man, and the stigma will affect me too. The same doesn't apply to a female child, since it's her husband that will be responsible for her family. Although, both genders are supposed to be judged by equal standards, society is already biased in that angle, so don't blame me."

That's EXACTLY how you sound. I helped you strip your ignorance and credulity of the cloak of "logic and reason" you've concealed it with. How do you like that?

I agree with your signature, and I'm quite glad to point out the fact that IT APPLIES TO YOU.

I'm sorry, but I'm never polite when you say nonsense. If your own dad had prayed not to give birth to a stvpid child, you wouldn't be here. Don't do that to your beautiful future daughter, please. Try to be as nice as your dad.

ZandhaZaraZ:
This might be correct. Most of us grew up that way. Believing it to be "normal", to be the "natural order", the ONLY way things can be arranged. We saw nothing wrong in it. Once we've been brainwashed with these archaic orientations, not many of us usually manage to break out of it. Many remain locked into the bullshiit for life, even women.

This topic shouldn't be taken seriously in the first instance. I had to hiss at his stupidity and leave the pointless thread.

Help me ask him if it is baboons and monkeys that these promiscious girls are fúcking.

I understand what you are saying but are the consequences of these actions the same for males and females? The answer is an obvious NO.
No boy has ever died from abortion, boys usually do not have to stop schooling to take care of an unwanted baby etc.

The boys are hailed as sharpshooters, the girls are derided as sluts.

These "archaic orientations" you speak of arise not out of hatred but from a primal need to protect the female child.
They are a good thing if used properly.
We just have to tweak them. Not eradicate them.

Daeylar:


Truth



No lies told



We did ask, , his response here



Another response


Further BS here too long couldn't quote it all

ZandhaZaraZ this is the modified post

So are you trying to say all 'Males' are decent?? Of course, that's not true...

Male or female... What a good parent should do is to train their children properly & pray for them, that will sure help!

So for me, I love to have female children, Infact, If I have to choose btw having male or female children, I will sure pick female with any ado!

IkpuMmadu:


Even in India, China and arab works they prefer male..to carry the family names


All these feminist wahala seff

So if communist China is dictatorial, chavaunistc, India rape capital Then Nigerians should not try to make a better egalitarian society just because other countries are bad?

why did you not use Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, UK, Netherlands as example?

and you say you want Nigeria to be better. Nigeria will never be better without equity and fairness but in the Law and the general mentality of members of the society.