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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by 9jakool: 10:23am On Mar 18, 2018 |
Klinee: The funny thing is that what you just wrote up there can be understand by your average Yoruba speaker. It just looks like a dialect of Yoruba. Don't try to twist it to fit your made up narrative. Anyways you tried sha. Odogwu is Odogun in Yoruba. It's actually "Baa mi" which is just a shortened version of "Baba mi" meaning my father. "mu pure water wa" is exactly the same in Olukumi and Yoruba. "Bu iji ru mi" in Yoruba is "Be igi fun mi" which also means cut firewood for me. "Maa ko iji ru" would be "maa ko igi fun" in Yoruba. The closest attested language to Olukwumi is the dialect spoken around Owo in Ondo state, which is where Olukwumi people say they migrated from. Olukumi in Yoruba means my friend or my confidant. The Igala version of oluku is "onuku." You and I know you are not sincerey when you say their names and culture is "PURELY" igbo. It's one thing to say that they've absorbed elements from Igbo due to proximity, it's another thing to say there entire culture is "PURELY" Igbo. We all know that there are many non-Igbo elements in Anioma. Olukumi people are not Igbo nor do they identify as such. Their kings' thrones is from Ife. 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by PFRB: 10:27am On Mar 18, 2018 |
Klinee: Igala and Igbo are very very interwoven. About Half or more of Obosi is Igala. Many you call Onitsha people are actually Igala. Do you know that Emmanuel Okala is Igala? 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by 0monnak0da: 10:28am On Mar 18, 2018 |
9jakool: I thought the clowns say they do not have kings so any culture that has kings cannot be Yibbo 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by PFRB: 10:30am On Mar 18, 2018 |
Words that mean "me" in Igbo language include the following. Mu, Mi, Ma, etc etc depending on the dialect. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Klinee: 11:29am On Mar 18, 2018 |
9jakool:Am not saying that 'Olukumi' people are Igbo but my observation there, their cultural activities affiliate towards Igbo maybe because of proximal acculturation to aniocha people of Delta state. But from a little I can understand in 'Olukumi' language is more of Igala language than Yoruba. 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 11:39am On Mar 18, 2018 |
0monnak0da: Yorubas are/were adventurous, even Ugbodu town in the heart of Delta state is inhabited by Yorubas who have been assimilated but they know their root... UDU UK Ugbodu Development Union UK branch Registered Charity Information and Projects Menu Skip to content Ugbodu Town Ugbodu Town lies at a latitude of 6.3793200 and longitude of 6.4585900 and it has an elevation of 241 meters above sea level. It is a Yoruba speaking community based deep in the heart of Igbo speaking communities. The village is one of six villages which trace their origin to Owo Town in Ondo State of Nigeria. Ugbodu consists of four villages namely, Igwisi, Idumu-Agba, Ogoza and Idumu Ogwa. The people through interaction and centuries of living in their present location speak both Olukumi and Igbo languages. Olukumi is the Yoruba language spoken by Owo people in present day Ondo State in Nigeria. Collectively, the six Olukumi speaking towns make up what is known as Odiani clan. Ugbodu is the place where the East of Nigeria meets the West of Nigeria as this town and its other Olukumi speaking communities of Delta State of Nigeria is the only place in the whole of Nigeria which speaks both the Igbo and Yoruba languages fluently as a people. It is also one of the most deprived communities in Nigeria today. Despite this, the town boasts of many graduates in various fields. It has produced lawyers, doctors, engineers, agriculturists, scientists, and a national beauty pageant amongst others. It also boasts of a nursery school, two primary schools, one secondary school, a hospital, a post office, several churches etc. https://juanitaazubuike./ogbodu-town/ 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 11:51am On Mar 18, 2018 |
Klinee: We all are hypocritical sometimes.What we are saying is that they have Yoruba DNA because their root is OWO/ONDO/YORUBALAND but they have been away for a thousand years.They have been assimilated.Still retaining a little language tie with Yoruba is even a great kudos to them. READ THEIR HISTORY:Their Yoruba DNA cannot be changed. Located in the heart of Anioma land in Aniocha North L.G.A of Delta State are the bilingual people Who speak Olukwumi and Enuani(igbo dialect) perfectly. The olukwumi people are said to have migrated from the old oyo empire over 1000years ago. They are located in the heart of Anioma land in delta state and can either be referred or classified as Olukwumi people or Ndi Igbos of the west (Delta igbos). Their customs and traditions are that of the igbos in Anioma and they also speak both the olukwumi language and the Enuani dialect perfectly. They also bear both olukwumi and igbo names. In recent times due to the seemingly extinction of the olukwumi language ,most of the youths speak just the enuani dialect and the purest form of the olukwumi dialect is only spoken by elders in the community. Although they are measures being taken to preserve the unique Olukwumi dialect. They partook in every activity during the Ekumeku war,and others. These Anioma son's occupy an area just west of the Niger River's right bank. The area is rich in Chalk and Kaolin deposits. Etymology Edit The word Olukwumi means "My confidant" or "My friend" . [2] Olukumi Towns and Communities Edit s/n Town Origins Comment(s) 1 Ugbodu (Ugbodu-Uno) Akure and Owo (Ogho) Traditional centre of Olukumi people. Founded by early settlers from Akure and Owo axis. 2 Ukwu Nzu (Eko Efun) Ile-Ife via Usen (Usehin) After the founding of Usen town in Edo state by people from Ile ife, Agbe, the founder of Ukwu-Nzu is said to have come from there. 3 Ubulubu People from Ugbodu and Eko Efun A relatively late Olukumi town said to have been founded in 1800 by some Ugbodu people later joined by others from Eko efun people (Ukwu nzu). 4 Idumu Ogo 5 Ugboba (Ugbo Oba) 6 Ogodor 7 Ogbe Onei ( Obomkpa ) Owo 8 Anioma Non Olukumi villages of Yoruba Origins Edit s/n Town Origins Comment(s) 9 Onichaku ( Ubulu Uku ) Ilesha Was founded by a warrior called Jowasoro who migrated from Ilesha in Osun State. 10 Ogbekenu villages of Onicha-Ugbo Ikare-Akoko Founded by people from the Akoko area of Ondo state. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olukumi_people |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by 9jakool: 2:12pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Klinee: How do you know it's more Igala than Yoruba. Do you speak either of these languages to effectively conclude that it's more Igala than Yoruba? The sentences and words you listed earlier can be understood by a common Yoruba speaker. The common school of thought by scholars is that it's an isolated Eastern Yoruba language. Even their king bears Ayo, an unmistakably Yoruba name. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by 9jakool: 2:19pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
0monnak0da: I wonder the same thing. Even their king's title is Oloza derived from Oloja. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by FisifunKododada: 2:39pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
This debate is a waste of time - Olukunmi are descendants of Yoruba people from Ondo state. Below are the names of their kings - just after they got to Delta from Ondo. None of those names are Igbo or Igala. Facts are stubborn. Even their current king's first name is Ayo - am sure that is also an igala name 3 Likes
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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by GworoChewinMaga: 2:42pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
FisifunKododada: There is no such thing as yoruba. Go and ask the oldest living relic in your family what they used to call themselves Yoruba is a hausa/fulani mockery of your people. I sha blame Ajayi Crowther for taking an arab muslim description which he got from hausa/fulanis in Nigeria as the name of your tribe. This is what this thread is all about and not about dragging tribe 2 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 2:52pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
PFRB: Olukwumi is in fact the short form of the phrase, "Nya na o lukwu mu.!", meaning, "So good fortune also came to me". It was uttered by a much abused queen from the NRI area after her husband realised she was innocent and rewarded her son by dispatching him to lead an Ilu or trade/explorative mission. That mission landed them at Uhe, which is known today as Ile Ife. All these are recorded in a spectacular history book covering historical Igbo exploits outside today's Igbo Land. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 2:56pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
FisifunKododada: Nnamdi Azikiwe named his first son Bamidele. Does that mean Bamidele Azikiwe was not Igbo? The current Minister of Transport, is Rotimi Amaechi, because Igbos admire the Yorubas. But that does not make Rotimi Amaechi non Igbo. 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 3:01pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
GworoChewinMaga:Whatever you call Yoruba,we had never been slaves to Hausa but they have been slaves to the Yorubas but everybody is a freeborn now except Igbos. Believe what you want if it will make you sleep well tonight.The fact is Igbo means slave and there are hard facts to back this up.Ijaws are your slave masters then and now. Yorubas are your slavemasters even in Igboland. Even our Yoruba Kwara people known as Ejuona that migrated to your side there still use you and call you slaves... READ: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/05/osu-caste-system-dead-myth-reality/ It is the same story in Alor Uno Community in Nsukka, where the Ejuona people believe that although their forefathers came from Kwara State and settled at Alor Uno, the Ugbene people who reportedly settled later were now slaves. In this regard, the Ejuona people reportedly smuggled certain obnoxious chapters which stated that Ugbene people were not qualified to hold any chieftaincy title, not to talk of political positions as they were said to be sub-humans. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 3:11pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Truthcat: Obatala towns of Southern Nigeria are towns found in Yoruba Land and Igbo Land that were founded fully or partially by descendants of the Obatalas of Ile Ife. They include Ugbo, Owu and Owu settlements all over Igbo Land and Yoruba Land, Ugbodu, Onicha Ugbo, Onitsha Ado, Ugbokko Araba (sounds like Idi Araba, right?), and many others. The Obatalas were the rulers of Ile Ife before the arrival of Oduduwa The Great. They also had other titles like Oba Igbo and Osere Igbo. Igbos and Yorubas should stop quarreling, as they have many deep linkages between them. They are twins bound togather forever, whether they like it or not. And they can do great things together. We are currently looking into deeply of these, and would bring you more refreshing history soon.It will be well with the Igbos and Yorubas. Amen. Source: http://www.igbodefender.com/2017/05/24/the-obatala-towns-of-igbo-land-and-yoruba-land/ 2 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 3:11pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
igbodefender:We believe you sir.Post the link or screenshot of that fake book so we can learn about this your imaginary Uhe which translate to Ile Ife...lol 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by FisifunKododada: 3:15pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Even the king makes clear their origin and language. Again no debate - facts are stubborn. 3 Likes
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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by FisifunKododada: 3:17pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Ritchiee: Eboes can be really childish - I swear. They can argue anything 2 Likes |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Ritchiee: 3:40pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
FisifunKododada:I bet you but the Igbodefender guy is trying to bring in a link between Yoruba and Igbo which I doubt its truthfulness because of obvious reasons.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by FisifunKododada: 3:48pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Ritchiee: I guess in order to lay claim to the Olukunmis they have to try and muddle up the distinction between Yorubas and Igbos. These people have no honor - its quite sad and pathetic. 1 Like |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Klinee: 4:00pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
There is no Yoruba name in Ugbodu, most of their names are Igbo with few ancient Igala name like Ugbade. Nothing like ayo in most name I heard within the area, maybe the king decided to answer ayo but it's not Ugbodu name. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 4:23pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
FisifunKododada: What do these 3 Nigerians have in common? 1. Owelle Bamidele Azikiwe (Nnamdi Azikiwe's son) 2. Rt Hon. Rotimi Amaechi (Nigeria's Transport Minister) And HRH Ayo Isinyemeze (the Great Olukumi King) ? One: They all have Yoruba first names, due to their parent's high regards for the Yoruba race, and Two: They are all Igbos, going by their surnames, Azikiwe, Amaechi and Isinyemeze. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by LaudableXX: 4:27pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Klinee: Guy, what are you saying? The traditional ruler of Ugbodu, is not the Odogwu. It is the Oloza. And his name is Obi Ayo Ochei Isinyemeze. Secondly, Father which you said is 'Bami' in Olukumi language, also has the same meaning and intonation in standard Yoruba language, if I remember my Yoruba language lessons, correctly. Even the phrase which you quoted here - 'bring pure water come', in Olukumi language/dialect means exactly the same thing in Yoruba - ''mu pure water wa'. Anyway, let me allow the native Yoruba speakers to give their opinion concerning this issue. cc: Konquest, Deomelllo, Oodualover, 9jakool 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by decode55(m): 4:29pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
16 pages of stupidity. Little surprise Nigeria is the way it is. Have fun, idiots. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 4:31pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Ritchiee: You haven't done research yet you have concluded that Uhe was never an ancient name for Ile Ife. You haven't read a book yet you have concluded that it is 'fake'. That's the problem. You are like those people that were insisting that the world was flat when they were being told by 'revisionists' that it was in fact spherical. Learn to have an open mind sometimes. Thank us later. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 4:32pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
LaudableXX:Isinyemeze is his surname and it is Igbo. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by FisifunKododada: 4:34pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
This thread is funny. Next we will debate if it was the British or Germans that colonized Nigeria. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 4:36pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Klinee: The surname of the king is undeniably Igbo. Saying Oloza HRH Ayo Isinyemeze is not Igbo is like saying Bamidele Azikiwe's not Igbo. Please take one Hero beer. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by LaudableXX: 4:36pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Ritchiee: Don't mind him. His links and assertions are totally wrong, from beginning to end. His claims hold no water, and are based on a falsehood of the highest order, especially the part about Moremi being one of their SE-Igbo people. Abi, is it not the same Moremi Ajasoro historical story, that we were all taught in primary school in Lagos? Even the Olugbo of Ugbo kingdom in Ondo state has shed more light about Moremi, and the relationship she had with his people. In his own words, it is obvious that the Igbo invaders referred to in the Moremi Ajasoro story, were originally from Ugbo in present day Ondo state, and NOT aboriginals from Igbo land or Ala Igbo in the Southeast region.
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Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nobody: 4:38pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
FisifunKododada:We Southerners like to argue eh. We love debate. If only we can unite or cooperate more politically. |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by LaudableXX: 4:44pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
igbodefender: Ayo is his first name and it is Yoruba. Even the Olukunmi language has a lot of Yoruba words in it. Go and check! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did The Olukumin People Accept A Hausa Derogatory Term As Their Name? by Nonaira1: 4:46pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Klinee: Please do not mind them. They've been desperately trying to forcefully attache themselves to delta using any ethnic group they can think of. Sadly, each community they use always disregard them. It is pathetic and shameful and sparks on desperate. Ironically enough, delta is a state they always insult but yet desperately wishes to be part of. Is it not ironic, that every evidence they have to support them of olukumi are from blogs or nairaland post. One stated he watched a documentary where an olukumi king stated they are yoruba....I asked to see the documentary and till now, I've yet to receive a reply. They are PATHETIC!!! I've never once in my entire years of living have I seen an olukumi state they are yoruba nor have I seen one fluent in yoruba nor have I seen one with a yoruba name including inlaws from that side. Not ONCE in my entire years of living. Even the celebrities from that side have NEVER once claim them nor have any yoruba name or to best of my knowledge speak yoruba. I don't any Anioma on this planet will tell you they have seen such. As I read this thread, I already pity olukumi because I can clearly see they are about to go through the same thing itsekiri people go through with this people. I feel sorry for them. I pray yoruba does find a community in delta that accept to be yoruba. I really do because they obviously desperate for it as I can clearly see. I pray for their wish honestly. 2 Likes |
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