brocab:
You don't know Christ-and why do I keep on saying this, is because you don't preach His gospel-I preach His gospel, and you keep on refusing it.

brocab:
9 inches-ignoring "what truth, you expect me to walk down that same old road with you, but I won't, so it isn't worth getting yourself all worked up over it, if you are trying to corner me into a corner, then you are barking up the wrong tree.
Believing in God is like looking at a manual-fixing a problem, accepting God is believing everything what the manual tells us, some people like to fix things a easy way-which isn't always the best way-some prefer to find other ways, listen from a friend or somebody-without looking at the manual, we are receiving half truths, how to fix the main issue.
The point I am making, it's best to read the manual-by doing so, if the Word of God-tells you-your Church belongs to Christ, then prove these facts-through the manual-so I myself will know also, "Trying to receive your facts from verbal tradition, from a friend or Priest without looking at the Manual-is like trying to tell God he doesn't know how to do His Job.
What you were taught verbally-doesn't mean there's facts-Christians know, everything lines up with the Word of God-I could tell you Jesus is standing over there-but if the bible said: otherwise, then which one of us is speaking the truth?

solite3:
you still have not answered my question, where did God say that the scriptures is for Jews alone.

Jesus had to be preached to the Jews first because salvation was of the Jews not gentiles, it was when the Jews rejected him that he turned to the gentiles.
John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

9inches:
If it takes only the Spirit in you to read and understand the bible, why are there bible schools? If Christianity is 'easy' to understand, why do people study theology? Use your God-given brain and think!

9inches:

I only want you to become part of the Body of Christ so that you will be a beneficiary of the gifts of His Holy Spirit. And stop thinking that throwing around bible quotes without context makes you a Christian. Use your brain. Ignorance is bliss!

9inches:
You're preaching the gospel of Martin Luther since you believe his doctrine of Scripture alone with no apostolic tradition. You are practicing the tradition of men.

brocab:
I am already one to be part of the body of Christ-and I have already receive the Holy Spirit, but I am not part of a denomination 'the Catholic Church-and if you believe witnessing to you using scriptures to just prove I am a Christian, you are barking up the wrong tree.
If it wasn't for God in my life, I wouldn't be having this conversation with you in the first place, 'Because it doesn't make sense trying to learn something without a purpose, just like you have done just by works.

brocab:
Hail Mother of God, bless thee, thy servant, pray for me to thy Husband God, and thank thee Jesus, I bow down to thee Mary Mother of God, Queen of heaven.
Martin Luther turned away from these traditions from the Catholic Church. And now you expect me, bowing down to statues-praying Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of heaven-praying through the Rosaries-asking the dead saints to pray to God for thee-and giving money for my indulgence, and purgatory, so my soul can be brought for a price.
Now you expect me to return to the Catholic Church-to become a pagan-when none of this is scriptural..Plus we can go straight to the throne room ourselves, For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. {Luke 20:38}

9inches:
Deflection! You are not implying that the guaranteed presence of God in Christ's Church till the end of time is false, are you? Any attack on the Church is attack on the Apostles and Jesus Himself.

9inches:
"To be" part of the Body of Christ... hmm. When you can hardly understand any verse of the Scriptue

9inches:
Deflection! You are not implying that the guaranteed presence of God in Christ's Church till the end of time is false, are you? Any attack on the Church is attack on the Apostles and Jesus Himself.

brocab:
I will repeat myself: Hail Mother of God, bless thee, thy servant, pray for thee thy Husband God, and thank thee Jesus, I bow my knees-down to thee Mary Mother of God, Queen of heaven.
Martin Luther had good reasons to turn away from these traditions, the Catholic Church had laid heavy burdens upon their Church.
And now you expect me, to accept these heavy burdens to bow down too-Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of heaven-through the Rosaries-praying upon dead saints to pray to God for thee-and giving money for my indulgence, and purgatory, so my soul can be brought for a price.
The above I can do without-Jesus made away for us to go straight into the throne room of God, God is not the God of the dead, He is the God of the living, for all live to Him.” {Luke 20:38}

brocab:
Hmmm and you believe you have more knowledge-learning in bible schools, without having the Holy Spirit teaching you?
And this is why you pray to the dead saints-Hail Mary Mother of God. Is the bible wrong?

9inches:
You sound silly. "Thee" = "you". You obviously do not know the scripture, if you did you would have realized everything the Catholic Church does is in line with the scripture.

brocab:
So what you are saying, I have been against your Church from the beginning-I haven't once wanted to claim the Catholic Church to be my home.
I don't find the Catholic Church, to be anything other then a place of pagan worship, Hail Mary Mother of God-is a lie-I wouldn't dare to pray to another, other then Christ Himself. And I wouldn't dare to leave God: He saved me, and the Catholic Church has no place in my heart-to claim I even belong to them.
Now you are accusing me for attacking the People belonging to Christ! No I am against the authority of Churches that preaches false doctrines, Churches that are leading people away from Christ-teaching them tradition rather then teaching them the truth.
You say Martin Luther-I say the Catholic Church-had broken all the rules-teaching the doctrines of men-rather then preaching the truth about Christ.
Praying through false god's-traditions of mass, praying through the rosaries Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of heaven, purgatory or indulgence, to pay the price from hell-the forgiveness from a priest, bowing down and kissing the feet of statues, and claiming this is all done in the name of the apostles of Christ.. Hmmmmm...

brocab:
Maybe my page sounds silly, but to someone outside the Catholic Church they would understand which direction I am coming from.
If Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of Heaven lines up with the scriptures, then I must be looking elsewhere with my eye's closed.
You have never proven your allegations, and I can't find these allegations anywhere in the bible? I suppose, this is one of my main reasons, "Why" I don't have a place in the Catholic Church I can call home, everything I have read about this Church-nothing about this Church lines up with His Word.
This is one of the many problems with denominations, they have taken verses out of contexts-and they refuse to rightfully accept the Word of God, "All claim they belong to Christ-Christ saved them-and no-one is saved unless they belong to their Church.

9inches:
I doubt you have the Holy Spirit as you protestants all claim, because the Holy Spirit does not cause confusion which you have in over 33,000 denominations today. Anyone is free to read the bible but the Church is the only authority to perfectly interpret it if there's any confusion. Is the word "trinity" in the bible? Why do you use such word that is unbiblical?

9inches:
@bolded, you see why I use the word "willful ignorance" for your case. You willfully chose to keep demonstrating ignorance of the Church's position. I'm deliberately quoting your replies because I refer people to come and read them to see how protestants like you argue against ignorantly against the scripture and Christ's message.

9inches:
Your attack on Christ and His apostles did not stop there, you are also attacking the mother of God out of ignorance. I showed you how to search Catholic sites to know what the Church teaches, but because the devil tries to obstruct you from seeing the light. You're reveling in willful ignorance.

brocab:
Well I couldn't really prove my fruit to you in person-and we don't know each other in genial, "by their fruit we will know them, Plus I find you funny right now-you read what the Holy Spirit can do, but you have refused Him working through you..
You say the Holy Spirit don't bring confusion, "Fleshly Men brings confusion-the flesh wars against the Spirit-visa versa.
We are having this same problem now-your flesh brings confusion against the Spirit, and the truth can't be revealed in you..

brocab:
Stop being nasty and prove your facts?

brocab:
Maybe my page sounds silly, but to someone outside the Catholic Church they would understand which direction I am coming from.
If Hail Mary Mother of God-Queen of Heaven lines up with the scriptures, then I must be looking elsewhere with my eye's closed.

brocab:
I have read through these sites of yours, and none of them lined up to the Word of God-so of course I lost interest-I asked you to lead me to sites that backs up God-and you didn't-instead I went on a wild goose chase..
I will not pray to Mary-nor to dead saints, when it was Christ who have given me access straight to the throne room of God-nothing you say will turn me away from the Word of God.
A Catholic casting out demons-God compels you-the angels compels you, the saints compels you, Mary compels you, Jesus compels you..

9inches:

It's not a novel that you have to find interesting. Read and find the contradictions with bible and argue it here. But your problem is even bigger than that - you have little or no knowledge of the bible.

9inches:
@bolded, example, Martin Luther.

9inches:

Here's proof you're willfully ignorant.



Are you willing to cure your ignorance now and read from Catholic sources what the Church teaches exactly, or do you still chose to look elsewhere with your eyes closed?

brocab:
But I have enough knowledge to know Christ sent us a helper the Holy Spirit to teach us all things..
You had learned your literature from men who teach tradition..
Getting yourself all worked up again, won't make any difference to me-I believe, and that is all I need to know..

brocab:
What can Martin Luther do for you? "Nothing" He had already died..

brocab:
You maybe right I don't have Church knowledge-but I am not searching for Church knowledge, either-the sites you have given me, are say so's, give me the sites, that backs your beliefs up-proving it lines up with the bible?
Everyone already knows what the Catholic's teach Church tradition, the JW's have Church tradition, they also try to use it against those outside their Church-the Mormons, Islam, and the list keeps on going?
I am not interested in Church tradition-I don't care who taught it-but if it don't line up with the Word of God-it means nothing to me dealing with any Church-my focus is based on Christ.

brocab:
Knowing the scriptures, and knowing the Catholic Church tradition, is completely two different meanings, I don't know your tradition, and learning about Church traditions isn't the same as learning the scriptures.
I could be an elder following the traditions in a Church-but that doesn't mean I am more favourable to God, then someone who just sits in Church doing nothing.
God's word is very clear in telling us that all men are created equal and every single person can be a child of God, receiving the full inheritance of heaven. We can look toward the Bible to learn how to love and serve everyone no matter what their age, color, or ethnicity, gender or nationality. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
So 9 inches the bible is simple, and it doesn't take rocket science to work it out, but trying to make yourself all high and mighty, over me, because I don't follow your Church traditions-it doesn't mean I am not obeying the Word of God I preach..

9inches:
Even if he's still alive, he wouldn't be of any use to me.

brocab:
Nor did all the Popes that died in the past-they wouldn't be any used to you, even if you do pray to them.
Your tradition said: you pray to all the saints, by this site Martin Luther is a saint..
NEWSCATHOLIC CHURCH, FAITHThu Jan 5, 2017 - 7:31 pm EST
Vatican: Catholics now recognize Martin Luther as a ‘witness to the gospel’ Intercommunion , Lutheran , Martin Luther , Pope Francis , Walter Kasper
ROME, January 5, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – A newly released document co-authored by the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Christian Unity and the World Council of Churches promotes the upcoming January 18-25 ‘Week of Prayer for Christian Unity’ with the theme ‘Reconciliation: The love of Christ compels us.’

Encouraging commemorations in all dioceses of the world, the document notes the theme is drawn from the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. In 2017, it says, “Lutheran and Catholic Christians will for the first time commemorate together the beginning of the Reformation.” The text also states that “Catholics are now able to hear Luther’s challenge for the Church of today, recognizing him as a ‘witness to the gospel.’” Nevertheless, the Vatican is pushing the joint celebration of the Reformation focusing on the common element of “Jesus Christ and his work of reconciliation as the center of Christian faith.”

The theme of the week of Christian unity has Vatican watchers wondering if the Pope may announce that in certain limited cases intercommunion for Protestants might be possible. The Pope suggested such previously in an informal talk at a Lutheran parish in Rome where in November 2015 he told a Lutheran woman asking about receiving Communion with her Catholic husband to “go forward” guided by individual conscience.

That suspicion was given momentum last month when Cardinal Walter Kasper, one of the Pope’s closest advisors, said he hoped that the Pope’s “next declaration opens the way for shared Eucharistic communion in special cases.”

Eucharistic intercommunion is the main desire for Lutheran and Catholic leaders involved in the Papal participation in the Lutheran commemoration. Swedish Professor Dr. Clemens Cavallin in an essay on “Sweden and the 500-year reformation anamnesis” notes that the Church of Sweden webpage states explicitly about the pope’s visit: “What we foremost wish is that the common celebration of the Eucharist will be officially possible. This is especially important for families where members belong to different denominations.”

The severity of the change, if implemented, was stressed by Monsignor Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion, it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium,” leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” Bux told Ed Pentin of the National Catholic Register.

Regarding the Eucharist, Lutherans have a fundamentally different faith from Catholics, who believe that during the consecration at Mass the bread used becomes the body and blood of Jesus Christ while still looking like bread. Lutherans believe in a fleeting presence – that while Christ is present in the bread during the service, it is just normal bread again outside the service.

The approach of Pope Francis to a joint commemoration of the Reformation is partially based on a “naïve” understanding of the theological dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics, according to former Anglican, now Catholic priest Fr. Dwight Longenecker. Fr. Longenecker points to this statement of Pope Francis about Martin Luther as problematic: “Today, Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification. On this point, which is very important, he did not err.”

Pope Francis draws his enthusiasm for this agreement on a Joint Declaration between Catholics and Lutherans on the Doctrine of Justification. However, Fr. Longenecker points out that the Vatican issued a detailed official clarification document wherein Pope Benedict (while still serving as Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith) pointed out that there was not a consensus between Catholics and Lutherans on the understanding of justification. “The level of agreement is high, but it does not yet allow us to affirm that all the differences separating Catholics and Lutherans in the doctrine concerning justification are simply a question of emphasis or language,” said the document. “Some of these differences concern aspects of substance and are therefore not all mutually compatible.”

9inches:

Only those who know the apostles, hear directly from them can teach the traditions which Paul encouraged even the Thessalonians to hold on to. He DID NOT say they should hold on to Scriptures only. To hold on to scripture only is unbliblical. That's not what Paul taught.