alBHAGDADI:


Na wah for you.

Why should Christians have to be the ones solving the matter of every dead body found in a neighborhood which isn't even a Christian dominated one not to talk of it being totally theirs?

The passage you quoted was speaking about a community where God's people are actually in charge. Which community in Nigeria has Christians in charge with their doctrines reigning supreme? You can't even find such in the world. Yet you say when there's a dead body somewhere, Christians should just gather themselves and start performing Old Testament rights . Na who get dead body?

So this is the silly response I can get after your ignorance is exposed? So if God's people are not required to conclude on unsolved cases...then why were these instructions included in the Law in the first place?!

491. Break the neck of a calf by the river valley following an unsolved murder — Deut. 21:4
492. Not to work nor plant that river valley — Deut. 21:4


This is just the tip of the ice-berg.

alBHAGDADI:


Didn't I show you a Bible verse that says God will write his laws in the heart of humans when Jesus comes? Since Paul spoke of the gentiles possessing that ability which only people with the holy spirit can possess, then it should be clearly to a sane mind that the gentiles Paul was speaking to were saved people already. But here you are bringing up verse 9 which bares no correlation to the the verse. Guy you have no point.

How will verse 9 not have a correlation to those verses when you cannot see how each of the verses fits into the bigger picture?

Look at the passage and tell us how verse 9 is out of place? If anything, verse 9 clearly points to the fact that Paul was talking about the Jews and Gentiles generally, and not the Jews or Gentiles that accepted or rejected Jesus. Paul was talking about the nature of man generally, and not believers!


Romans 2 v 1-15;

1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )




alBHAGDADI, where in this scripture did you see Paul giving the slightest inkling that he was talking about Gentile believers?

Your penchant for telling lies and twisting the scriptures is becoming more glaring day by day!

OkCornel:


You keep spewing this trash as though incest was a taboo because the Mosaic Law clearly mentioned it. Apart from the in-breeding that occurred (i.e. Cain and Seth sleeping with their sisters or Abraham that married his half sister Sarah), where else was it written that Adam slept with his daughter? or Eve slept with her sons? Are you okay at all?


And before you rush to use Lot as an example of a man that slept with his daughters, Lot acted under the influence of alcohol and would not have slept with his daughters if he was not intoxicated!

How would you also explain the fact that incest has also been a taboo in some if not most of ancient African communities prior to the introduction of the Bible/Chrisitianity to Africa? Did these communities also consult the Mosaic Law as well?

Your point exactly?

OkCornel:


How will verse 9 not have a correlation to those verses when you cannot see how each of the verses fits into the bigger picture?

Look at the passage and tell us how verse 9 is out of place? If anything, verse 9 clearly points to the fact that Paul was talking about the Jews and Gentiles generally, and not the Jews or Gentiles that accepted or rejected Jesus. Paul was talking about the nature of man generally, and not believers!


Romans 2 v 1-15;

1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )




alBHAGDADI, where in this scripture did you see Paul giving the slightest inkling that he was talking about Gentile believers?

Your penchant for telling lies and twisting the scriptures is becoming more glaring day by day!

Didn't I show you that it is only people with the Holy Spirit that have the laws of God written in their hearts? The gentiles who had it written in their heart should be enough to tell a Bible student that they had it because they had the Holy Spirit.

If you still don't get the picture, then it's not my fault that you don't have the Holy Spirit. Go get born again cos that's the only way you see what I'm seeing .

OkCornel:


So this is the silly response I can get after your ignorance is exposed? So if God's people are not required to conclude on unsolved cases...then why were these instructions included in the Law in the first place?!

491. Break the neck of a calf by the river valley following an unsolved murder — Deut. 21:4
492. Not to work nor plant that river valley — Deut. 21:4


This is just the tip of the ice-berg.

The instructions where given for places where God's laws reign supreme e.g Israel of those days, not in Nigeria where we have Muslims, atheists, satanists and u believers.

That's why the first verse in the passage said they should practice that in the land they were going into which God gave them, which judges and elders will stand in rulings. Nigeria today doesn't have Christians running the affairs, so we can't practice that law. We can oy practice it when we are fully and totally in charge.

OkCornel:


Do you still have a functioning mental faculty? Search for the Hebrew Bible and see the word that was used in that verse. Then check out the meaning of those words and apply them in context!

Just see how you are making a mess of yourself revelling in ignorance! chai!



Context alBHAGDADI! context! If you really studied english in school, you will realize a word or phrase can have different meanings and it depends on the context in which they are used!

You are so blind! The Law remains the Law! no sugar coating it. if you are not blind; read Deuteronomy 22 v 28-29 again!

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (KJV)
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days

alBHAGDADI, how could you be so blind that you did not see Deuteronomy 22 v 29 saying that the victim was humbled by her captor? If this was a case of consensual sex, why did the scriptures conclude that the maiden is humbled after that incident?

If the law remains the law, then I conclude that you have boldly stated that God supports rape. You will answer to him on that. It's none of my business.y business anymore.

Since when does the word humble mean rape? Where is it stated that there's a victim and s captor? Stop injecting words into the Bible.


Exodus:22:16-17
And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (KJV)
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


Cant you see that the passage above are the law? They are speaking of the same thing. See their similarities:

damsel/maid
virgin
betrothed

Isn't it clear that they are the same law? Or don't you see the same lawd stated in Exodus repeating themselves in deutoronomy and Leviticus?

As if the Bible knew folks like you will misinterpret it, that's why the Bible made itself clear in another passage.

Below is a screenshot of how other translations put the Exodus verse. They used seduce, but to confuse you in deutoronomy which is the same exact law, they used rape. An uninformed fellow like you bought it hook, line and sinker.

alBHAGDADI:


If there was no law spelling murder as sin, how come there was a punishment for it?

Genesis 4:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
And Cain said unto the L ORD , My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

I keep telling you that the Mosaic laws were just the first time God's laws were documented, but you make it seem as if God never had laws before that time. The punishment given to Cain for murder is no different from what God commanded Moses to do to murders which is to kill them. Cain knew it that's why he begged God so people won't kill him. Can you see how God's laws have always been the same?

As for Moses, who made murder an offence? God did. He convicted Cain the first murderer of his crime. Why do you think murder was henceforth seen as a crime in the whole world? The world learnt from the Cain incident. If God had not convicted Cain, do you think Cain would have been bothered that he killed Abel? Murder would have been a norm, but God pointed it out as a wrong, and from then it was seen as a wrong.

Another truckload of ignorance coming from an incompetent apologist...

Even before Cain murdered Abel, God clearly warned Cain that sin was crouching at the door post of his heart! Cain already knew murder in itself was a sin prior to when he committed the act! God warned him about that if he did not snap out of that fallen countenance which made him entertain murderous thoughts

Genesis 4 v 6-7;

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him...

This clearly shows that Cain was consciously aware murder was a sin even prior to when he committed the act and God eventually punished him for it.

alBHAGDADI:

As for Moses, who made murder an offence? God did. He convicted Cain the first murderer of his crime. Why do you think murder was henceforth seen as a crime in the whole world? The world learnt from the Cain incident. If God had not convicted Cain, do you think Cain would have been bothered that he killed Abel? Murder would have been a norm, but God pointed it out as a wrong, and from then it was seen as a wrong.

Now to further expose your ignorance. Explain to us how Pharoah knew adultery was a sin even when there was no Mosaic Law or "Law of God" to guide him. In case you do not understand, I am referring to where Pharoah almost slept with Sarah...

Genesis 12 v 18-19;

18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.


Was it God that told Pharoah that sleeping with another man's wife is adultery and that it is a sin?


I am bringing these examples to prove to you what Paul mentioned in Romans 2 v 14 was referring to the gentiles generally and not just gentile believers;

Romans 2 v 14;
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves

alBHAGDADI:


If the law remains the law, then I conclude that you have boldly stated that God supports rape. You will answer to him on that. It's none of my business.y business anymore.

Since when does the word humble mean rape? Where is it stated that there's a victim and s captor? Stop injecting words into the Bible.


Exodus:22:16-17
And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (KJV)
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


Cant you see that the passage above are the law? They are speaking of the same thing. See their similarities:

damsel/maid
virgin
betrothed

Isn't it clear that they are the same law? Or don't you see the same lawd stated in Exodus repeating themselves in deutoronomy and Leviticus?

As if the Bible knew folks like you will misinterpret it, that's why the Bible made itself clear in another passage.

Below is a screenshot of how other translations put the Exodus verse. They used seduce, but to confuse you in deutoronomy which is the same exact law, they used rape. An uninformed fellow like you bought it hook, line and sinker.

This guy is just a clown, was it not the same you that mentioned these other translations are satanic?

I asked you to do something simple. Get the Hebrew Bible, find the Hebrew word that was used in explaining the act that occurred between Schechem and Dinah, or when the Law on forceful sex was spelt out in the book of Deuteronomy!

Translate the Hebrew word to English and put an end to your ignorance!

Now I find it hilarious that you are turning to Bible translations to earlier mentioned are satanic! See where your desperation and confusion is leading you to?

alBHAGDADI:


The instructions where given for places where God's laws reign supreme e.g Israel of those days, not in Nigeria where we have Muslims, atheists, satanists and u believers.

That's why the first verse in the passage said they should practice that in the land they were going into which God gave them, which judges and elders will stand in rulings. Nigeria today doesn't have Christians running the affairs, so we can't practice that law. We can oy practice it when we are fully and totally in charge.

Another extremely daft response! So are you telling us that Nigeria does not have places where the Laws of God reign supreme?

By the way, here is a list of Christian nations where Christianity is entirely the country's religion;

Argentina (Catholic Church),[9] Armenia (Armenian Apostolic Church), Tuvalu (Church of Tuvalu), Tonga (Free Wesleyan Church of Tonga), Costa Rica (Catholic Church),[10] Kingdom of Denmark (Danish National Church),[11] England (Church of England),[12] Greece (Eastern Orthodox Church), Georgia (Eastern Orthodox Church),[13][14] Iceland (Church of Iceland),[15] Liechtenstein (Catholic Church),[16] Malta (Catholic Church),[17] Monaco (Catholic Church),[18] Vatican City (Catholic Church),[19] and Zambia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country


Is this how they conclude on unsolved murder cases in such countries? Or is your argument that the Law of God does not reign supreme in such countries?

491. Break the neck of a calf by the river valley following an unsolved murder — Deut. 21:4
492. Not to work nor plant that river valley — Deut. 21:4

alBHAGDADI:


You guys just seem to amaze me everyday. So because the law is summed up in love, we should just kick the laws away right?

Your write-up says we owe Jesus love. If we owe him love, then we keep his commandments.

John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

What are his commandments? They are there in the Bible from Genesis to Revelations. But you say we should throw them away and just love. We can't claim to love Jesus when we disobey his commandments. We can't even love one another because the way to do that lie in the commandments.

Romans 13:10” 10 Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; Therefore, love is the LAW’S FULFILLMENT

John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

What synchronize the scriptures above


LOVE IS COMMANDMENTS FULFILLMENT. Or simply put you CANNOT keep the COMMANDMENTS without LOVE.

alBHAGDADI:


Didn't I show you that it is only people with the Holy Spirit that have the laws of God written in their hearts? The gentiles who had it written in their heart should be enough to tell a Bible student that they had it because they had the Holy Spirit.

If you still don't get the picture, then it's not my fault that you don't have the Holy Spirit. Go get born again cos that's the only way you see what I'm seeing .

So it was the Holy Spirit that told Pharoah adultery is a sin when he almost slept with Sarah abi? Keep on exposing your ignorance for everyone to see here...

Genesis 12 v 18-19;

18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

alBHAGDADI:


Since you are not to live by the laws anymore because Jesus Christ was mailed to the cross, then go ahead and sleep with your father, mother, sister, daughter. Also make graven images and now down to them. Dont forget to also wear female clothes.

You are some big confused fellow to have brought an explanation from Jehovah's witnesses who deny Jesus is God and say he's an angel. If Paul truly meant it how Jehovah's witnesses explain it, then there is no more sin since we are no longer to obey the law.

Guy, go and continue swallowing Jehovah's False Witness junks and vamoose from this thread.

It's OK but you must not omit any of God's law!
If you do,that means you're CURSED! Deuteronomy 27:26
You must keep the Sabbath,you must not do any work on Saturday nor encourage anyone to do so! Exodus 20:10!
You must not feel sorry for your brother who commits fornication[casual sex] you must stone him and her to death!
Instead of learning,you are arrogant because your church encourages tithes and first fruit. So remember you must not OMIT any of those laws! Otherwise you're CURSED!

alBHAGDADI is just another arrogant churchgoer who feels like preaching on social media but knows nothing than what is practiced in his Church!
So no matter how obvious the truth is,he is determined to continue arguing because if he succumb then he has been a fool all these while paying tithes and firstfruits. Or he is part of those EATING the tithes and firstfruits so it will be difficult to let go! Matthew 23:23
Jesus said about people like alBHAGDADI 'blind guides who strain out the gnats but swallows the camel'
People like him will continue to shout on tithes and firstfruits saying 'it is the law' but serious sins like fornication, adultery, swindling, abortion and so on they will say 'Jesus died for those ones on the cross so there is Grace and Gloria for those ones'
Thus they are 'straining the gnats' strictly keeping rules that could be scrapped since many other religious groups are operating successfully without tithes and firstfruits,but the disastrous things like fornication which could lead to deadly diseases, unwanted pregnancies, hatred, envy and many other injurious deeds, Pastor alBHAGDADI will swallow them like nothing is wrong! Matthew 23:24

alBHAGDADI:


Why do you foolishly like back and forth argument? Didn't I just quote Paul saying a woman can marry another man once her husband dies? Where did Paul say she has to take permission from her late husband's brother before she remarries? Paul clearly changed your Yibbum law. If the Yibbum law stands, then a case where her late husband's brother Is already married will go against Jesus law against polygamy.

Guy...why are you this obtuse? So you expect Paul to go into the nitty gritty of marriage requirements of the Mosaic Law before passing on his message to the Gentiles? or you think Paul was writing to blockheads in the city of Romans?

You love quoting the scriptures out of context! First of all, Paul was using the marriage according to the Law as an example of how Christians are dead to...and freed from the Law, but someone like you that has problems seeing the scriptures in context interpreted it as Paul changing the Laws of Moses concerning marriage. As usual, Romans 7 v 4 also shows you the irrelevance of observing the Mosaic Laws as a Christian...


1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

alBHAGDADI:


Liar. You were online on the 27th, I checked your last seen.

In a bid to tell more lies, you just exposed the magnitude of your joblessness for everyone to see!

Like I mentioned earlier, I have been absent from nairaland for over 10 days.

If there are numerous tabs opened on your browser, and nairaland happens to be one them you don't visit, your last seen would still be updated to the last time all the tabs on your browser reloads, especially if it's Chrome that restores all tabs if your computer shuts down abruptly or you force a system shut down. Even Seun and the mods that run nairaland can corroborate this.

It's not too difficult to comprehend. You can even run an experiment to validate what I just mentioned now.

You are one hilarious and idle fella. So you were busy monitoring my profile while I was away! Guy, go and get a job and sustain yourself!

alBHAGDADI:

So other people don't have schedules because you are the only busy human on Earth. Who cares about your company routine? Why tell me?

I am telling you this so you don't rush into false assumptions like you did earlier. My absence of over 10 days on nairaland automatically means I had no answers to the jargons you've been posting on this thread?

alBHAGDADI:

I've been schooling you so far on this thread and others. I don't care if you admit it or not, but sane minds can see how you keep heaping questions upon questions as soon as I answer each of them.

You've been schooling me on which thread? You see why I said you're a shameless liar? Are you referring to this thread where you goofed that the Israelites were tithing before they entered the promised land?

https://www.nairaland.com/4938431/it-not-law-moses-god/14#75905789 or numerous other threads you've been trounced all about?

Muttleylaff , abeg come and see this lying clown o, he claims he schooled me on this thread and other threads

alBHAGDADI:

You keep heaping more hoping to catch me but all to no avail because I answer them with the Bible. All your questions on the laws I've answered.

Yes, like you gave silly answers on Cain, unsolved murders and Pharoah's recognition of adultery as a sin abi?

alBHAGDADI:

I don't see where I stated that my posting on Nairaland is for me to have food on my table. It I'd actually for me to score points for rewards in heaven for doing God's work. I preach the gospel of salvation and others, yet I wonder why an UNBELIEVER like you is bothered.

I will never get tired of spreading the teachings of God. The earlier you kill yourself over it the better

Which dirty reward do you expect for twisting God's word just to extract mammon from brainwashed people?
You're not an apologist, you are a confusionist, and all the lies and heresies you've been posting will definitely catch up with you. Thankfully, those with the Spirit of God can clearly see your cleverly packaged lies and half-truths, and you're being exposed for the deceiver that you are...

alBHAGDADI:
There's currently a movement out there which wants Christians to throwaway the old testament part of the Bible and just stick with the new testament alone. Those behind this movement are mostly those against tithing. They say we are not to obey old testament laws because Christ has freed us from the law. They say those who obey the old testament laws are under a curse. Below are their favourite verses

Galatians 3:10 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

They quote the above verses when you tell them that tithe is very much relevant today as it was in the days of the children of Israel. They immediately quote tonnes of old testament laws which are very difficult to follow, and tell you that you simply want them to be under the curse of the law if they dare break any of them.

The problem with such people is that they don't understand the Bible because they lack the Holy Spirit which guides into all truth. That's why they have thrown away a whole portion of the Bible and have stick with the New Testament. Even the new testament which they claim to follow, they do not believe in it.

Now, is the old testament to be thrown away? No, because it is as good for us today as it was for those of old.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As seen above, all scripture is profitable for doctrine. It doesn't say the old testament is not profitable nor does it say it is only the new testament that is profitable. It says all scripture. God gave us the old testament so that we can learn a lot from what happened before our time because such lessons will help us during the end times.

Amen

shadeyinka and sagenaija,

Do you agree with your fellow CHRISTIAN op?. He believes Old Testament is still valid 100% while you believe Old Testament is outdated. You believe your "abstract laws" are embedded in the "holy spirit" for you to follow. But op said exactly what Muslims have been saying. Who's a true Christian?.

Remember, op believes old testament Laws stand which is exactly what Jesus said but you are trying to run away from it.

Old laws are binding on you guys to follow.

sagenaija:

We still carry the whole Bible because it is part of what Jehovah has determined to REVEAL to mankind.

We still quote from it because it is still God’s word.

The Jews are God’s chosen race that he has a plan for.

The Old Testament is outdated only to the extent that the New Covenant specify. So, the New explains the Old. Where the New supersedes the Old the New makes clear. Where the New substantiates the Old it is equally made clear.

Jesus came to the Jews as God’s chosen race but he made it clear that he was starting with them but extending his work beyond them.

That we are under the New Covenant DOES NOT mean that we are lawless. Even the New Testament confirms this.

Even the koran and Islamic books confirms the New Testament, the ministry of the Apostles and particularly Peter, James and John. Anyone claiming anything contrary does not know what he is talking about.

sagenaija:


That guy in that video is misleading and misrepresenting the facts.

Christianity IS NOT Judaism.

Not all that is in the Bible is instruction for Christians to follow.

The Christian belongs to a New Covenant.

The prescriptions for the Christian come LARGELY from the New Testament.

Using what was done in a previous era to LABEL Christians is either
at the least a misunderstanding of the issues or at best an expedition into deception.

If that guy can point to ANYWHERE in the New Testament to justify his claim I will be
the first to admit that he is right otherwise he is only being mischievous and deceptive.

Unlike the koran, the Bible has what applies to the Jews and what applies to Christians.
That distinction has to be understood.

Does any part of the koran apply to ONLY Mohamed's time and others to today's or
does it apply to Moslems of all eras?

So, hope its clearer to you now.

Empiree:


shadeyinka and sagenaija,

Do you agree with your fellow CHRISTIAN op?. He believes Old Testament is still valid 100%

Where did he say this?

Everyone has brains but it works differently,that's why God arranged for organised worship to help them think alike!
With organised form of worship,we can become one happy global family. But most humans detest equity and this is how Satan formed RELIGION out of what supposed to be an organised form of worship. That is why those who detest equity could start claiming rules of INIQUITY! Matthew 7:23
The Mosaic laws were given ONLY to Israelites,this will help them realise the condition of man and why God has been far away from his creatures. They're to keep expecting the Messiah who will teach them the principles behind those numerous laws. The Messiah came in person of Jesus,he taught them the principles,few agreed but majority who detests equity disagreed with Jesus!
So he foretold that this same thing will still happen to people claiming to be his followers.
Today,alBAGDADI is arguing in support of those who detests equity. God brought the nation of Israel out from slavery in Egypt,enriched them by putting fear in the minds of their captors to give Israelites gold and other precious stones,protected them through a long journey,destroyed all the enemies on their way,led them to a land where each person could start making ends meet and drove away all other nations on that land!
By so doing,God has prepared them all for a fresh start in life so if he gives them laws,they should show appreciation for all that he did for them by sticking to those laws.
But that doesn't apply to other nations where there has been unequal chances for people to thrive,so when Christianity which is to be practiced independently of Jerusalem's temple was commissioned, God sent his holy spirit to tell the Christians that all those rules are no more required but few things. Act 15:28,29
So whoever is demanding that people living in places where such a fresh start that God gave Israelites is absent,such a person is setting a table for INIQUITY and that is why all these greedy religious leaders are coming up with different ideas just to enrich themselves at the expense of their malnourished people!

Empiree:


shadeyinka and sagenaija,

Do you agree with your fellow CHRISTIAN op?. He believes Old Testament is still valid 100% while you believe Old Testament is outdated. You believe your "abstract laws" are embedded in the "holy spirit" for you to follow. But op said exactly what Muslims have been saying. Who's a true Christian?.

Remember, op believes old testament Laws stand which is exactly what Jesus said but you are trying to run away from it.

Old laws are binding on you guys to follow.

Empiree:
shadeyinka and sagenaija,

Do you agree with your fellow CHRISTIAN op?. He believes Old Testament is still valid 100% while you believe Old Testament is outdated. You believe your "abstract laws" are embedded in the "holy spirit" for you to follow. But op said exactly what Muslims have been saying. Who's a true Christian?.

Remember, op believes old testament Laws stand which is exactly what Jesus said but you are trying to run away from it.

Old laws are binding on you guys to follow.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;
- Ephesians 2:15

Empiree "Customer mi daada ni", loosely translated means "My very good customer", the Old Testament is still valid 100% and the same Old Testament when is outdated and/or comes to the end of the period of its validity.

Empiree, it is a no-brainer, that the same God, who introduced the Old Testament Mosaic laws is same, who established the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics

However, if you honestly, dont see the correlation the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics has with the 613 Old Testament laws and/or the Mosaic 10 Laws of God, then here are five general ideas, they share

Connection #1:
The 613 Old Testament laws and/or the Mosaic 10 Laws of God, just like the law of gravity, is always there and will continue to exist

Connection #2:
What the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics have to do with the 613 Old Testament laws and/or the Mosaic 10 Laws of God, is that the 613 Old Testament laws and/or the Mosaic 10 Laws of God, (i.e. the law of sin & death) just like the law of gravity is, can be made inoperative

Connection #3:
Just like the law of gravity can be stopped, can be nullified, can be cancelled, can be done away with, so the 613 Old Testament laws and/or the Mosaic 10 Laws of God is

Connection #4:
Just like the law of aerodynamics, overcomes and goes beyond the limits of the the law of gravity,
so does this other wonderful and superior law that overcomes and goes beyond the limits of the 10 Laws of God (i.e. the Mosaic laws)

Connection #5:
The law of gravity is abolished in a plane's body by another law (i.e. the law of aerodynamics) in the same manner, just like the 613 Old Testament laws and/or the Mosaic 10 Laws of God mentioned in Ephesians 2:15 above, are abolished in Jesus' flesh by another law (i.e. the law of the Spirit of life)

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Moses' Teachings couldn't accomplish everything that God required.
But we have something else that gives us greater confidence and allows us to approach God
- Hebrews 7:19

For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ
- John 1:17

Certainly, sin shouldn't have power over you
because you're not controlled by laws (i.e. for you not under The Written Law) but by God's favor.
- Romans 6:14

Certainly, there is a curse on all who rely on their own efforts to live according to a set of standards because Scripture says,
"Whoever doesn't obey EVERYTHING that is written in Moses' Teachings is cursed."
- Galatians 3:10

For whoever keeps the whole Written Law and slips in one thing, he is condemned by the entire Law
- James 2:10

But now we have died to those laws that bound us
(i.e. we have been released or exempted from The Written Law)
God has broken their effect on us
so that we are serving in a new spiritual way, not in an old way dictated by written words (i.e. the Old Order Scriptures)
- Romans 7:6

So Christ has truly set us free.
Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law.
- Galatians 5:1


I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law. When in the air, flying, I am not free from the law of gravity but I am under the law of aerodynamics

Another good read is Romans 8:1-6. Now Empiree, a few epiphany questions for you:

#1 What is God?
What's your response going to be? Is God a Spirit? No or Yes?
#2 What then will His law be?
What's your response going to be? Will His law be ''The law of the Spirit''? No or Yes?
#3 What has the ''The law of the Spirit'' set us free from?
What's your response going to be? Has ''The law of the Spirit'' set is free from ''The law of sin and death''? No or Yes?
#4 What are some examples of the ''The law of sin and death''?
What's your response going to be? Is the ''The Ten commandments'' one of some examples the ''The law of sin and death''? No or Yes?

Now, lets go up a gear a bit or step a bit in deeper waters
#5 What is the law of gravity, what does it do and/or what is it all about?
#6 What is the law of aerodynamics, what does it do and/or what is it all about?
#7 Does the law of gravity produce any effect whilst the law of aerodynamics is being made use of?
What's your response going to be? No or Yes?

Empiree:


shadeyinka and sagenaija,

Do you agree with your fellow CHRISTIAN op?. He believes Old Testament is still valid 100% while you believe Old Testament is outdated. You believe your "abstract laws" are embedded in the "holy spirit" for you to follow. But op said exactly what Muslims have been saying. Who's a true Christian?.

Remember, op believes old testament Laws stand which is exactly what Jesus said but you are trying to run away from it.

Old laws are binding on you guys to follow.

Where did I state that the old testament laws are 100% binding?

You are just looking for justification for your barbaric Islamic shariah laws which have nothing to do with the biblical laws

Get off my thread.

OkCornel:


Guy...why are you this obtuse? So you expect Paul to go into the nitty gritty of marriage requirements of the Mosaic Law before passing on his message to the Gentiles? or you think Paul was writing to blockheads in the city of Romans?

You love quoting the scriptures out of context! First of all, Paul was using the marriage according to the Law as an example of how Christians are dead to...and freed from the Law, but someone like you that has problems seeing the scriptures in context interpreted it as Paul changing the Laws of Moses concerning marriage. As usual, Romans 7 v 4 also shows you the irrelevance of observing the Mosaic Laws as a Christian...


1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to

another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Seeing they shall not see...

How do you think the Bible is used? Don't you know that all scriptures is profitable for doctrine?

2Tim.3 Verses 16 to 17
[16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The part where Paul was speaking of marriage can be singled out and used for doctrine, for reproof and for correction and instruction in righteousness. But a person like you who lacks the Holy Spirit thinks the Bible is a story book that you can't pick a verse and make a righteous doctrine out of it. Look, the word of God is a double edged sword. But you are rendering it useless.

In as much as Paul was speaking about the law he was also killing another bird with the same law which is marriage.

When Paul kicks against the law, he's only doing so to say we no longer dependent on it for salvation. I explained this to you earlier on to which you had no objection, yet you are still holding the same stance.

Let me ask you, are you born again?

What does it mean to be born again?

The answers to the above questions will show who knows the Bible between me and you

Maximus69:
It's OK but you must not omit any of God's law!
If you do,that means you're CURSED! Deuteronomy 27:26
You must keep the Sabbath,you must not do any work on Saturday nor encourage anyone to do so! Exodus 20:10!
You must not feel sorry for your brother who commits fornication[casual sex] you must stone him and her to death!
Instead of learning,you are arrogant because your church encourages tithes and first fruit. So remember you must not OMIT any of those laws! Otherwise you're CURSED!

You are indeed s puffed up person who has blinded himself from seeing the truth. Yes, God commanded people to observe the Sabbath, but haven't you read where such law was changed in the new testament even by Jesus himself? That is why no one observes the Sabbath today.

Where is it written that a fornicator should be stoned to death? If you don't point it out, then you are cursed for adding to the laws as your last statement says.

OkCornel:


So it was the Holy Spirit that told Pharoah adultery is a sin when he almost slept with Sarah abi? Keep on exposing your ignorance for everyone to see here...

Genesis 12 v 18-19;

18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

Where did pharaoh tell you that he knew it was a sin? He only stated that he didn't know Sarah was Abraham's wife because he was deceived into thinking she was his sister. Mind you, had it been God did not plague Pharaoh and his household, he won't have mind that she was Abraham's wife. He had to give her up because of the plague.

achorladey:




Romans 13:10” 10 Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; Therefore, love is the LAW’S FULFILLMENT

John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

What synchronize the scriptures above


LOVE IS COMMANDMENTS FULFILLMENT. Or simply put you CANNOT keep the COMMANDMENTS without LOVE.

and you cannot love without keeping the commandments as clearly written in the Bible, not your own phantom idea about love.

OkCornel:


Another extremely daft response! So are you telling us that Nigeria does not have places where the Laws of God reign supreme?

By the way, here is a list of Christian nations where Christianity is entirely the country's religion;

Argentina (Catholic Church),[9] Armenia (Armenian Apostolic Church), Tuvalu (Church of Tuvalu), Tonga (Free Wesleyan Church of Tonga), Costa Rica (Catholic Church),[10] Kingdom of Denmark (Danish National Church),[11] England (Church of England),[12] Greece (Eastern Orthodox Church), Georgia (Eastern Orthodox Church),[13][14] Iceland (Church of Iceland),[15] Liechtenstein (Catholic Church),[16] Malta (Catholic Church),[17] Monaco (Catholic Church),[18] Vatican City (Catholic Church),[19] and Zambia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country


Is this how they conclude on unsolved murder cases in such countries? Or is your argument that the Law of God does not reign supreme in such countries?

491. Break the neck of a calf by the river valley following an unsolved murder — Deut. 21:4
492. Not to work nor plant that river valley — Deut. 21:4

I keep telling you that you need to be born again to understand what Christianity is. This will prevent you from making open errors like you've been doing.

Look at how you claim Catholics, Anglicans and the likes are all Christians and that those Nations are governed by solely Christian laws. Very funny.

Those denominations are not Christian at all and they belong to the many whom Jesus will say I never knew you to.

The moment you understand what it means to be born again, that's when you will know who a true Christian is from fake ones.

Are you born again?

If so, what does it mean to be born again?

OkCornel:


This guy is just a clown, was it not the same you that mentioned these other translations are satanic?

I asked you to do something simple. Get the Hebrew Bible, find the Hebrew word that was used in explaining the act that occurred between Schechem and Dinah, or when the Law on forceful sex was spelt out in the book of Deuteronomy!

Translate the Hebrew word to English and put an end to your ignorance!

Now I find it hilarious that you are turning to Bible translations to earlier mentioned are satanic! See where your desperation and confusion is leading you to?

I only showed you those translations to see their error. They use seduce when talking about a law in one place, but use rape when speaking about the same law in another. Is that not enough for you to distrust them when they say the Bible supports rape?

Are you hebrew? No

Are sure are you that the source of the Hebrew word translated is true? You have no idea.

Why act so bold about it as if you were born Hebrew?

What you've said so far is that God who is merciful, righteous, and loving is in support of rape. May he punish you for this. And may those satanic translators who have led you into the wrath of God also face it too.

alBHAGDADI:


Where did pharaoh tell you that he knew it was a sin? He only stated that he didn't know Sarah was Abraham's wife because he was deceived into thinking she was his sister. Mind you, had it been God did not plague Pharaoh and his household, he won't have mind that she was Abraham's wife. He had to give her up because of the plague.

Guy! stop exposing your daftness for everyone here to see! If Pharoah had known Sarah was another man's wife, would he still go ahead to commit adultery?

Does it not tell you that sleeping with another man's wife was an offence in ancient Egypt? Did they need a "Law of God" to know that it was wrong?

alBHAGDADI:


Are you hebrew? No

Are sure are you that the source of the Hebrew word translated is true? You have no idea.

Why act so bold about it as if you were born Hebrew?[b][/b]

What you've said so far is that God who is merciful, righteous, and loving is in support of rape. May he punish you for this. And may those satanic translators who have led you into the wrath of God also face it too.

Per the bolded, why are you keep on demonstrating that you lack basic reasoning? So in this information age, are you trying to tell us you cannot get a translation of Hebrew words and confirm the accuracy of such translations by corroborating with different competent sources?

Or better still, do you want to get various Jewish rabbis to translate that Hebrew word before it gets into your thick skull?

OkCornel:


Another truckload of ignorance coming from an incompetent apologist...

Even before Cain murdered Abel, God clearly warned Cain that sin was crouching at the door post of his heart! Cain already knew murder in itself was a sin prior to when he committed the act! God warned him about that if he did not snap out of that fallen countenance which made him entertain murderous thoughts

Genesis 4 v 6-7;

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him...

This clearly shows that Cain was consciously aware murder was a sin even prior to when he committed the act and God eventually punished him for it.





Now to further expose your ignorance. Explain to us how Pharoah knew adultery was a sin even when there was no Mosaic Law or "Law of God" to guide him. In case you do not understand, I am referring to where Pharoah almost slept with Sarah...

Genesis 12 v 18-19;

18 And Pharaoh called Abram and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.


Was it God that told Pharoah that sleeping with another man's wife is adultery and that it is a sin?


I am bringing these examples to prove to you what Paul mentioned in Romans 2 v 14 was referring to the gentiles generally and not just gentile believers;

Romans 2 v 14;
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves

Stop injecting words into the Bible, it is harmful for you.

Cain had no knowledge of sin until God spoke to him. No man ever had the law written in their heart until God fulfilled his promise of doing so using the holy Spirit.

In the law is the knowledge of sin. The gentiles before Jesus time didn't know God, that's why they served false gods.

If you had contineud reading that passage in Romans 2 up to verse 15, you would have seen that Paul was not talking about the gentiles of old but the gentiles of his time which had the law written in their hearts which is the work of the Holy Spirit in those who have accepted Jesus Christ.

Romans 2:14-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Did you see how verse 15 ties with 14 which goes in line with my explanation?

Now, without the law there is no sin.

Romans 14:15
for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Now, do you believe men wearing earrings is an abomination to God? If yes, then let me continue. According to you, the law was already written in the hearts of people before Moses came. Then how come the male children of Israel didn't know that it was against the law to wear earrings a thing they must have learnt in Egypt.

Exodus 32:2
And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.

Moses himself didn't see it as wrong until God gave him the law against cross-dressing in Deutoronomy which was after Exodus. If it was wrong in their eyes, they won't have worn it and Moses would have punished them. So you see, the law is not written in hearts prior to God doing so in the new testament.

As for Pharaoh, I anwered that already.

OkCornel:


Per the bolded, why are you keep on demonstrating that you lack basic reasoning? So in this information age, are you trying to tell us you cannot get a translation of Hebrew words and confirm the accuracy of such translations by corroborating with different competent sources?

Or better still, do you want to get various Jewish rabbis to translate that Hebrew word before it gets into your thick skull?

Do you believe God is the same yesterday, today and forever?

Do you believe God supports rape?

Then your translation is correct if those are what you believe in.

As for me, God is still the same yesterday, today and forever, and has never been in support of rape, that's why I believe those Bible translations are false and the Hebrew transaction, wherever you got it from, is false and probably done by the same people behind those satanic Bibles.

OkCornel:


Guy! stop exposing your daftness for everyone here to see! If Pharoah had known Sarah was another man's wife, would he still go ahead to commit adultery?

Does it not tell you that sleeping with another man's wife was an offence in ancient Egypt? Did they need a "Law of God" to know that it was wrong?

If pharaoh had known that Sarah was Abraham's wife, he would have killed Abraham and taken his wife. Abraham knee such was common in Egypt as seen below


Genesis 12:12 King James Version (KJV)
Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive.

That's why he told Sarah to say she's his sister so as to save his live. When pharaoh was told that she's Abraham's sister, he blessed Abraham for that. Had it been he initially said she's his wife, those Egyptians would have killed him as they were already showing one of the traits Abraham told Sarah of them, which is they saw that she was fair.

Verse 11
And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon:


What would have followed would have been Abraham's death had it been he didn't pull a fast one on them by saying she's is sister.

Genesis 12:13-14
Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair.

You got schooled again bro.

Be born again

alBHAGDADI:


Seeing they shall not see...

How do you think the Bible is used? Don't you know that all scriptures is profitable for doctrine?

2Tim.3 Verses 16 to 17
[16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The part where Paul was speaking of marriage can be singled out and used for doctrine, for reproof and for correction and instruction in righteousness. But a person like you who lacks the Holy Spirit thinks the Bible is a story book that you can't pick a verse and make a righteous doctrine out of it. Look, the word of God is a double edged sword. But you are rendering it useless.

In as much as Paul was speaking about the law he was also killing another bird with the same law which is marriage.

When Paul kicks against the law, he's only doing so to say we no longer dependent on it for salvation. I explained this to you earlier on to which you had no objection, yet you are still holding the same stance.

Let me ask you, are you born again?

What does it mean to be born again?

The answers to the above questions will show who knows the Bible between me and you

I will repeat to bible verses to show how confused you are;

Romans 6:14
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the Law.

alBHAGDADI, if you are a spirit filled Christian, are you still under the Law? Are Spirit filled Christians still under the Old Testament Laws as your thread implies?