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Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Nowenuse: 11:21am On Mar 30, 2020 |
APCNig: Remove Ilorin now and put Ifelodun, Omu Aran, Offa, Erin Ile and the entire Kwara south together first, can you open your mouth and say muslims are the majority in Kwara south? Kwara south has 7 LGA among the 16 in Kwara state. Hence the indigenes of Kwara south make up like 40% of the state's population and they are Christian Majority. Have you been to the 2 Ekiti speaking LGAs (Ekiti & Oke-oro LGAs)? These places are entirely Christian. You hardly find a mosque in their towns. Igbolo, Igbomina & Ekiti people are the 3 Yoruba subethnic groups that make up Kwara south. Can you put them together and tell us that Muslims are more here? Ekiti people are entirely Christian, while Igbomina & Ibolo are something around a 50-50 with muslims having the slight advantage in Ibolo and Christians in Igbomina. Igbomina also spreads into Kwara central in Asa LGA. So, don't mention Kwara south in your lies abeg. As for Ilorin, everyone knows Ilorin indigenes are overwhelmingly muslim and yes you are correct that Ilorin inner city or old Ilorin where the indigenes dominate is overwhelmingly muslim, but is old Ilorin the only place that makes up present day Ilorin city? Ilorin city has grown beyond that slum city center. Look below at the 1st pic from Google maps and see that whitish dense part to the North-Western part of the city, that is where Old Ilorin is, a congested slum where the indigenes dominate. It is only like 25% of the city's Landmass. Apart from that area, every other part of Ilorin is either Christian dominated or is 50-50. See the 2nd, 3rd & 4th pictures from the Eastern part of Ilorin. Can you see the number of churches in different neighbourhoods? Go and sleep pls. Ilorin of today is not Ilorin of 30 years ago. The influx of christians from Kwara south, Kogi West & SW has neutralized the strong muslim component of the city! If at all muslims should be more in Ilorin, it is a 60-40. Otherwise it is now a 50-50 thing. 3 Likes
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Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by ZKOSOSO(m): 11:36am On Mar 30, 2020 |
Takara:You seemed to be an outsider to the politics of the north even though you're one of them. That you have 16 Muslims as govnor don't translate to the real population dichotomy of religion in the north. Christians are known to care far less who governs them provided the fellow can perform. If we Christians are to dubiously force our way as the HausaFulanis are doing over the ages, it would be difficult for Kaduna, Nasarawa, Kogi, Adamawa, Gombe to have a Muslim governor in all its constituencies. Muslims are minority in the states above in reality. As for Edo state, you don't know anything cos you're not an Edo indigene let alone know the religious diff in South. The population of Muslims in Edo North is less than 20% while 1% or less in the other 2 Senatorial districts. So how do you produce a Deputy gov let alone Gov in any part of the SS?? 4 Likes |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Subduer: 12:24pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
Nowenuse: Yes, THEY PREFER the status quo, awaiting the manifestation of Gowon, Obasanjo, Buhari, Babangida post-war PIPE DREAM, that by WITHHOLDING Federal Presence & Infrastructure in Igboland, other tribes will overtake & overcome the Igbos COMPETITIVELY. Instead Igbos have waxed STRONGER in more ways, & in fact, with nearly 100 Fulanis settlements in Yorubaland, the Igbos are the only reason Buhari's RUGA, CATTLE COLONY, Fulanisation and Islamisation as observed by Obasanjo, is impossible to implement. So let the status quo continue, as northern minorities are chased out, & displaced out of their ancestral native lands, & the resources of the South South is used for industrializing the Southwest, & Infrastructures of Abuja, Kano, & the VICTORIOUS WARRIORS of Northern Nigeria, especially Chibok. 1 Like |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Efewestern: 12:31pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
Nowenuse: Such fear is very much justifiable, judging from the fact that these same minorities in the past, had shared same region with either of these major ethnic groups, their experience... HMmMMMM. Everyone should run their race jor. 1 Like |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Subduer: 12:43pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
Takara:Sir, that Borno south is FULLY represented by moslems doesn't mean that moslems form the majority of that population. If you live in Nigeria you will understand why Book Haram has fighting a FUTILE war to islamise that region. 4 Likes |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Subduer: 12:57pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
Many thanks, @Op, for the Google stuff that bring this thread up to date. 2 Likes |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by AkpaMgbor(m): 1:00pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
helinues:You are a very malicious humanoid...not surprised it is a trait commonly shared by your tribesmen...you bloody oaf had to rope in ipob into this somehow. 1 Like |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Nowenuse: 7:44pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
ZKOSOSO: Bro, Muslims are not even up to 10% in Edo state right now. They are like 8%. I know Edo state like the back of my palm. Although in the past (30 yrs ago), muslims were up to 15% in Edo state. The only LGA in Edo state which can still be majority muslims is Etsako west (where you have Auchi, South Ibie, Aviele-Agbede & Jattu), but even in Etsako west right now, Christians are very many. In the past Etsako west used to be 100% Muslim. My brother's wife is from South Ibie, she and all her siblings were born as muslims, but today all of them are now Christians (over 20 children), her mother is now a Christian too. Oshiomole is from Jattu, his parents were muslims, but he is now a christian and Jattu which is the biggest clan in Etsako west is now Christian majority. Apostle Johnson Suleiman is also from Etsako west, with a Muslim father, he is now a Christian. The influence of Christianity in the south was too strong for Etsako people. Etsako people are now Christian majority (like 75%). In the past, they were something like 65% muslim. Etsako east is now almost entirely Christian (90% Christian), but it used to be like 40% Muslim in the past. Etsako central is now something like 30% Muslim, but it used to be like 70% muslim. Owan & Akoko-Edo used to be like 20% muslims in the past, but today they are only like 5% Muslim or less. Muslims are now a minority in Etsako land and Etsako land is 50% of Edo north and Edo north is ⅓ of Edo state. Do the mathematics for yourself and tell me if muslims can be up to 10% in Edo state. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Nowenuse: 7:48pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
Subduer: Thank you very much. You see, muslims take politics more seriously. To them, it is a do or die affair and that is why, any place that muslims are up to 40%, they end up dominating that place politically. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Nowenuse: 7:55pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
ZKOSOSO: Muslims are a clear minority in Adamawa, Nasarawa & Kogi. Kaduna to me seems more like a 50-50, while Gombe is like 60% Muslim. Christians cannot be more than muslims in Gombe. There is no way a state will be 50-50 or predominantly Christian and it's state capital will be overwhelmingly muslim. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by hammer0: 10:29pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
Nowenuse: Great analysis and very interesting to read. I agree with everything that you said. Obviously their are certain parts that i can make additional contributions, but generally, your submission was well balanced arguement. 2 Likes |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by hammer0: 10:32pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
[s] Efewestern:[/s] Before Lugard came to create Nigeria, Urhobo were living in the Sky. U did not interact with Anioma Igbos. U need to calm down, at the end, u will see reason. |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by ZKOSOSO(m): 11:48pm On Mar 30, 2020 |
Nowenuse:Your submission is very correct. I'm Akoko Edo but lived entirely in core North and FCT axis.....!! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by senatordave1(m): 12:09am On Mar 31, 2020 |
Nowenuse:Oga kaduna is 55% Muslims.even southern kaduna people sokapu accept this fact.kogi is 55%.Muslims.gombe is over 70% Muslims... 2 Likes |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by senatordave1(m): 12:10am On Mar 31, 2020 |
The op is a religious supremacist 3 Likes |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by thinksense: 10:27am On Mar 31, 2020 |
bear parlor analysis |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Nowenuse: 10:30am On Mar 31, 2020 |
senatordave1: My problem with you is that you do not even know the demography of the places you are giving religious percentages. I have interacted with thousands of people from all over almost every LGA of the north. I have also travelled to these places. I have met with their leaders. I belong to their social media groups (of over a hundred tribes). I know these places far more than you do, so, when I give u statistics, try to take them cos I can give u LG to LG and tribe to tribe analysis of these places. Kaduna state would have been like 55 or even 60% muslims if there was no significant number of Christians in Northern Kaduna. I myself used to accept 55% muslims in Kaduna, not until I came across Hausa Christians from Northern Kaduna and they explained their area for me. Do you know the population of Hausa Christians in Ikara LGA? They are up to 35% of that LGA! They are in the interior rural areas and most of them wear kaftan & hijab like muslims and speak strong Hausa cos they are native Hausa speakers. You can hardly differentiate them from Muslims. Hausa indigene Christians are all over Soba, Giwa, Makarfi, Kudan, Igabi and Zaria LGAs. Hausa land in Northern Kaduna is at least 20% indigenous Christians, but Hausa Christians are a very very timid people and that is why they seem very invisible and people wrongly think that Northern Kaduna is entirely muslim. There are more indigenous Christians in Northern Kaduna than there are indigenous Muslims in Southern Kaduna. Most muslims in SK are Hausa fulani settlers. Also, Birnin Gwari, Kubau & Igabi are considered pure Hausa LGAs, but ⅓ of these 3 LGAs belong to Gbagyis, Kamuku & Kurama christians. The thing is that Christians tend to be very quiet, timid and respectful in a place that they are a minority, but muslims will still make noise and cause trouble in a place that they are a minority (making it look like they are significant in that place). Do you know the population of Hausa Christians in Kano & Katsina? They are up to 20% of the indigenous population of both states, but you never hear anything from them. Only a very big joker will say Gombe is up to 70% muslim. Are u aware that Gombe south is 90% Christian? Then 2 of the 3 LGAs in Gombe central (Akko & Yamaltu) are up to 35% Christian? senatordave1: I am proud of it! After all, I wasn't the one who started it in Nigeria, was I? 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by senatordave1(m): 10:43am On Mar 31, 2020 |
Nowenuse:there are more Muslims in southern kaduna than in northern kaduna |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by ZKOSOSO(m): 1:55pm On Mar 31, 2020 |
senatordave1: Think you just like troubling the OP as a 'troublem' guy..! Spent all primary secondary and ABU schools days in Kaduna. Where do you have Muslims in SK...? Where..? Kachia..?.....Muslims are all HausaFulanis settlers dropped there by Ahmadu Bello era of the 1940s/early 1950s. Fact. As a little boy then, I knew all the first generation settlers of HausaFulanis extraction...mainly in 'cikin gari' (main town) Today, they formed the only Muslims population with a voice but still minority in Kachia LGA. Zango kataf...? It's already a flogged issue of how settling Fulani got a favour from Katab to have a cattle market in the 1960s.... Kafanchan...? That they have an Emir forced on them doesn't translate to the real people of the land. Total stranger sitting on a throne by force. Kasuwan Magani is a 'Kadara' land as Kachia Outside these places everywhere in SK only have few families and HausaFulanis settlers who practice Islam here and there...! In all HausaFulanis and Muslims are less than 15% of total population of SK for real...! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by nku5: 2:50pm On Mar 31, 2020 |
Nowenuse: Especially Eggon 1 Like |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by senatordave1(m): 3:43pm On Mar 31, 2020 |
ZKOSOSO:As far as there are indigenes of kaduna,we will still include them. |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Naajjii: 3:50pm On Mar 31, 2020 |
Nowenuse:You are a liar, keep decieving yourself with self imagination. What is true is what we have on ground which is christians are minorities in the north and that reflected in the number of states christians are governing(3) against 16 for muslims. Religion plays key role on who emerges as a governor in all the northern states. Taraba, Benue and Plateau are the 3 states dominated by christians in the north hence the 3 governors they got. Nassarawa state is another state that a christian can become governor if they put their act together the remaining 15 states in the north will always have muslim Governors. Its not possible for a muslim to become governor of plateau or Benue state or even Taraba no matter how political savy smart they are due to the fact that they are minorities much the same way christians can not be a governor in the other 15 states in the north because they are minorities. I dont like doing this religion thing but i have to counter you because i realised that you are a religion and tribal Instigator. 5 Likes |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Nowenuse: 6:31pm On Mar 31, 2020 |
Naajjii: Northern Christians have not been playing politics based on religion. It is northern muslims that have always been playing politics based on religion and that is why it is impossible to find a place that is muslim majority in the north and they elect a Christian as their political leader. However, times without number, Muslims are elected in places that are overwhelmingly Christian. E.g Ibrahim Nasiru Mantu (former deputy Senate president)was elected senator for 8 years in Plateau central senatorial district. Are you aware that Plateau central is 80% Christian? The first senator of Taraba south (in 1999) was also a muslim, is Taraba south a muslim majority zone? The former senator of Adamawa south was was a muslim. Is Adamawa south Muslim majority? In the just concluded elections in Gombe south. The Christian APC candidate won the muslim PDP candidate with a very tiny margin. The last 2 house of reps representing Gombe south were muslims. Now tell me, is Gombe south a muslim majority zone? Christians have always been voting for muslims even in Places were muslims are a small minority, but muslims will never vote for Christians unless they are a minority in such places. So, I repeat, only a big foool will judge Northern Nigeria's population based on the religions of their political leaders. That would only have been possible if the Christians had been playing religious politics from the beginning. However facts have shown that this is not the case. 11 Likes |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by senatordave1(m): 8:22pm On Mar 31, 2020 |
Nowenuse:I think the population of Muslims in taraba is over 40%.which lga is mantu from? Research o. hon haruna maitala repping jos federal constituency,whether he's hausa,anaguta or berom |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Subduer: 6:07am On Apr 02, 2020 |
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Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Subduer: 6:33am On Apr 02, 2020 |
Nowenuse: Please kindly post a map of Kaduna State showing the Local Govt Areas, & Senatorial Zones |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Subduer: 6:47am On Apr 02, 2020 |
Nowenuse: |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Subduer: 7:12am On Apr 02, 2020 |
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Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Nowenuse: 9:08pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Subduer: This is the map of Kaduna below. Can u see Chikun, Kajuru, Kauru & Lere LGAs at the same horizontal level? But Chikun & Kajuru are in Kaduna central, Kauru is in Kaduna south while Lere is in Kaduna north. How can Lere & Kauru who are side by side in the same horizontal level, yet one is in Kaduna north and the other is in Kaduna south? Then can you see Giwa & Birnin Gwari LGAs that share boundary with Katsina & Zamfara states? They are both in Kaduna central. If this is not a fraud to weaken the Christians in Kaduna state, tell me what it is! 9 Likes
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Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by eagleu: 9:15pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Nowenuse: Good job, sir. 1 Like |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by ZKOSOSO(m): 9:19pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Nowenuse:Just Imagine the Evil Plans from time past.....! 1 Like |
Re: Northern Nigeria Is 35-40% Christian (proofs) by Nowenuse: 9:25pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Efewestern: Are you saying that Fear of the future is stronger than the oppression of now? Have u heard of the saying that goes, "We will cross the bridge when we get to it?" Do you believe that being oppressed by a retrogressive bunch of illiterates who has given you an identity of terrorism is better than being oppressed by an educated and progressive people? Only cowards prefer their present condition of servitude because they are so much afraid of their future, forgetting that the future is in your hands and it becomes what u make of it. I grew up in URHOBO land and to a large extent I am ashamed of what the region is. It's not as if I am ashamed of the region because it is worse than others, rather I am ashamed that the region is still where it is today considering the abundance of mineral resources and wealth you guys have. As much as we middlebelt people are suffering injustice in Nigeria, Nigeria is still benefiting us to an extent. However it doesn't mean that we may not progress without Nigeria. Look at Abuja and see the huge wealth in there. Same with Lagos. These 2 cities are a huge product and reflection of the wealth coming from your region. If Nigeria divides today, none of these 2 cities with all the development in there are going with your people. Warri is becoming a shadow of itself day by day. Do you guys ever think that one day when oil becomes irrelevant, that your children and grandchildren will ask you what you people made of the immense oil wealth from your region when this oil was hotcake? What answers are you going to give them, when same children look at places like Dubai and see what they made out of theirs? 5 Likes |
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