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Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 8:04am On Dec 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: 1. Sometimes. I did during the time of Jesus. It was a common occurrence back in those days. 2. I emanated twins. A physically born son and daughter who emanated two sets of triplets. We are all existing concurrently 3. I can do four on most days. My record is 7 places simultaneously 4. Depends on what you mean by God. MuttleyLaff: Yahshua Ha Mashiah a.k.a Jesus Christ a.k.a Future member of the Avengers. AVENGERS: Infinity War of Armagedon, brought to you by Warner Brothers. Plot: Newest member of the avengers Jesus Christ, joins Thor as they battle Thanos for the soul of the galaxy! Watch out for the scene where Thor throws lighting bolts at Thanos while Jesus walks on water to meet Thanos for the he final battle. Jesus’ core message: Love me or get tortured. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by MuttleyLaff: 8:16am On Dec 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Martian: Martian:www.nairaland.com/attachments/11912991_1587286624789_jpeg7cfed6a93c5a55b79b80b92cd3cf3ba2 |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 8:18am On Dec 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: That’s how I look when I read your stuff. Then I lmso!!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka2: 8:38am On Dec 10, 2020 |
Martian:Of course as a metaphor. God isn't a form of material or matter Martian:Electromagnetic waves from the stars are the means through which all planets get their energies. Existence means living beings: without physical light, every being will be dead Martian:By giving everything their energy for sustenance and living Martian:Meaningless void and lack of existence Martian:No sir! Plants the primary source of food need light (even if it is of low intensity). Without plants, no animal, insect, or microbes will exist. Martian:But without lights, the microbes will not exist: and the deep sea plants without energy dies! God is that SOURCE of Energy that makes everything exist. Martian:He is certainly not Electromagnetic waves: God is the SOURCE of Energy that sustains everything seen and unseen, physical and nonphysical 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka2: 8:40am On Dec 10, 2020 |
FatherOfJesus:The universe has an origin: about 13.6 billion years old. Precisely 13.77 billion years +/-40 million years https://www.livescience.com/universe-expansion-atacama-hubble-constant-measurement.html 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by FatherOfJesus: 9:01am On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka2:Read science. It didn’t say that the universe has an origin, it started that Big Bang started approximately 14billion years ago. No one knows the origin of the singularity and whatever happened before it. You argument is flawed on this premise |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka2: 9:08am On Dec 10, 2020 |
FatherOfJesus:Is singularity the Universe? If the singularity had existed trillions of years before its expansion or inflation, what suddenly made this singularity unstable (about 13.6 billion years ago)? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by FatherOfJesus: 9:13am On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka2:Singularity is the known beginning of the universe as at 14billion years ago, we don’t know anything else apart from that. There’s a theory that the universe collapses and expands like an elastic rubber. We still do not know the exact origin of the universe unless you want to make up things. Let’s assume you are right so who created the singularity? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by kkins25(m): 11:24am On Dec 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:brilliantly said mutltley. i only corrected a few flaws,bugs, defects, damages, etc. 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by budaatum: 3:03pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
kkins25:I'd call it a brilliant attempt at removing he yadayada that would have otherwise made it unintelligible but no matter how much one washes a turd its a turd. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 4:09pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka2: So what is the nature or composition of this Light? shadeyinka2: We both understand how plants use photosynthesis for sustainment and how the earth itself wouldn't without the sun. So we can understand that type of energy. But you are out of your depths when you claim electromagnetic waves from stars are the means through which all planets get their energies. What of planets like Jupiter or Saturn that do not host life (as we know it) that is dependent on light from the sun. Do your assertion still hold water? All planets in our solar system depend on the sun's gravitational energy but not it's electromagnetic energy. Enough about types of energy though, because energy does not support or detract your God. shadeyinka2: Maybe, Maybe not. shadeyinka2: If I understand based on your prior assertions, God gives the Sun energy, then the sun sustains life by giving off physical light. shadeyinka2: I think it's the converse. Without Man, God is a meaningless void and lacks existence. With Man, God is an abstract idea that can mean anything and do everything. shadeyinka2: Plants are not the primary source of food for every organism on earth and your second statement is just wrong. Besides, don't venture into the lane of evolution and what came first because that is outside your depth and doesn't support your God in anyway. I'm pretty sure if you do a little scientific research, you will trash the second part of the statement. shadeyinka2: This is an abiogenesis and evolutionary topic we are not equipped to have, so let's drop it. Besides, God did it is your answer. shadeyinka2: God is the SOURCE of Energy that makes everything exists because God is an abstract idea dependent on human understanding that can do anything, be anything, and mean anything. God can be the Essence of all creation, God can be the Logos that sustains all existence, God can be SOURCE of Energy that sustains everything. God can be the Martian emanating in his physical form to challenge the intellect of humans. God can be Shadeyinka posing as the Spirit of Deception. God can be Supralunar Pixie that provides the Source of Light that sustains all existence. God can be the Allah. God can be Xenu. God can be Olurun. God can be Ubangiji. God turned into a Jew and died for your Sins. God is Ahura Mazda and Zoroaster is his last prophet. shadeyinka2: Tawaka Son is the Source of Energy that sustains our Universe in Fifth Dimensional spacetime. Our inability to detect the Almighty Tawaka Son is because our senses are limited to our 3-dimensional spacetime. What we perceive as Time is the emanation of the intermediate existence in the fourth dimension where spirt beings exist. Tawaka Son can not be referred to as "He" because gender is meaningless to the Dual One. 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 5:05pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
oluwaahmed: I love you already...thanks.. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 5:18pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka2: Well, it is all context, i understand what the story is about...i know it is not history, it is all for spiritual instruction.. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by DeusXmachina: 6:12pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka:My hypothesis has no name. My thoughts are the proto-universe (what existed before the bigbag) is something akin to white noise, that thing you see and hear when nothing is playing on your TV. Infinite energy without a defined form or structure, that just keeps fluctuating between different random variations of it's self. Now there is something called the Infinite monkey theorem. That goes if you a had monkey sitting in front of a typewriter with infinite paper, ink and time, randomly hitting keys, despite the low probability, eventually this monkey will write out the entire work of Shakespeare letter for letter, word for word with no mistakes. (And it would seem as though this monkey knew what he was doing.) So similarly if you had white noise playing on an infinite time scale there will eventually be a point where this noise forms a symphony, a stable cohesive structure for a brief moment in it's eternity. And this is our universe, a structure born out of random chaos, for a brief moment that will die out and return to it. A consequence of this hypothesis is it suggests that there are probably other possible universes out there which maybe similar or completely different from ours, all being formed or dying out. In this regard it's similar to the "multiverse hypothesis" Another part that this hypothesis has is we are able catch glimpse of the probabilistic nature of the universe observed in quantum mechanics, that somehow collapses and becomes bound by the deterministic laws of Newtownian physics, when "observed"... 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 6:50pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Okay! ...And God said, let there be light, and there was light... was this a history or a spiritual instruction? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 6:53pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka: It is called mythology... Every culture has one..that the jews wrote their down, dont mean it is the only truth. The igbos have their own creation myth, same as the yoruba...they are all myth..The God in genesis is same as CHUKWU in igbo and ELEDUMARE in yoruba.. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:00pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
FatherOfJesus:Every theory that negates creation by God is good to you....continue! The law of entropy actually forbid that the universe collapses and expands like an elastic rubber as entropy ALWAYS increases with time. Everything about existence is created by God. God is the SOURCE and ORIGIN of everything in existence. God is the Uncaused First Cause of Everything. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:21pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
Martian:What is the composition of God!? Martian:Planets get their heat energy from their respective solar irradiation. Pluto is cold because the energy supplied by the sun is low. Mercury is hot because the radiation it received from our sun is high. Isn't heat a form of energy? Planets lose their heat energy to the ionosphere unless they have an atmosphere to trap/retain the heat received from the absorption of electromagnetic waves. My assertion still hold bro! Martian:God is the SOURCE of Energy in everything Martian:Your opinion! Opinion may be true or false Martian:Every living thing either manufactures its own food with external energy (eg plants) or consume ready made food of living origin. Without light, no plant will exist. Without plants, organisms that feed on living things cease to exist, Martian:Wrong! Martian:Is this truthfully said? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:23pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
sonmvayina:Jesus turning water into wine is also a mythology? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 7:33pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
DeusXmachina:Really!? 1. The law of entropy is violated by your theory. Let me put it in simple form for your comprehension. You have just stated that given a reasonable time, an empty/deflated balloon can fill itself up to a large size when the balloon is left in the open air. Is this possible? 2. Your monkey theorem is indeed from a monkey intellect. If a Boeing 747 is dismantled component by component into its basic part, Is it possible by the reason of time if we mix them up randomly infinite number of times for them to form a 747 plane? 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by FatherOfJesus: 7:39pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Bro, No evidence for you God doing anything. There’s no experiment to ascertain that and law of entropy doesn’t forbid contraction of the universe 1 Like |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 8:19pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Yes. Describe God. You said God is Light but not the colloquial or scientific definition of light. So describe God the best you can. Use the bolded for inspiration or describe Him anyway you want, just don't equivocate and strive for clarity. Meaning you can't say light then deny that you mean light. Human: A human is a member of the species Homo sapiens, which means 'wise man' in Latin. Carolus Linnaeus put humans in the mammalian order of primates. ... Humans are bipedal, which means they walk on two legs. Humans have a very complex brain, which is much larger than that of the other living apes. Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All 11 are necessary for life. Sun: The Sun is a sphere, composed almost entirely of the elements hydrogen and helium. The Sun is not solid or a typical gas. Most atoms in the Sun exist as plasma, a fourth state of matter made up of superheated gas with a positive electrical charge. In terms of the number of atoms, it is made of 91.0% hydrogen and 8.9% helium. By mass, the Sun is about 70.6% hydrogen and 27.4% helium. shadeyinka: Let it go. You don't understand the science enough nor does it support your positions, so just let it go bro! Ionosphere The layer of the earth's atmosphere that contains a high concentration of ions and free electrons and is able to reflect radio waves. It lies above the mesosphere and extends from about 50 to 600 miles (80 to 1,000 km) above the earth's surface. shadeyinka: God Old English, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch god and German Gott . shadeyinka: It's not my opinion. God has all the characteristics of a mythological being. Mythological beings exist only in the human mind. God exists in your mind. shadeyinka: Not all life needs to feed on living things or manufacture its own food. Some don't need light. Look up extremophiles. shadeyinka: Maybe the bolded is wrong, but everything else is TRUE. Martian: shadeyinka: As true as The Holy Bible. Martian: |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 8:44pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Is Shango's transformation into a God a mythology? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by sonmvayina(m): 8:51pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka: I dont know how to go about this question but the fact remains that jesus never existed...it is like superman or spider man.. It is a special genre in the old levant, by putting a mythological figure into human history... The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.. Marduk is the son of Enki and the creator of the universe. When they could not agree in Nicea if he was a God or man, Athanasius said he was both..the rest is history. A human history was forged for him...possibly by Eusebius.. God already provided a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd chronicles 7:14. No human sacrifice was ever planned. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by DeusXmachina: 9:21pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
FatherOfJesus:I view it this way, at different size scales and conditions in the universe, different laws of physics tend to take over. Like at the size scale we live in we don't really have to worry about general relatively in our day to day lives, but when studying massive objects like stars it comes to play. Same way we don't need to worry about the exotic states of matter such as the Bose-Einstein condensate, or super solids, because the average temperatures in the universe are not cold enough to make them form naturally. The point I'm trying to get to is, we don't know what lays at the heat death of universe and it shouldn't be difficult to imagine that at that point conditions maybe right for a different set of undiscovered laws of physics to take over and make everything to contract once more. Entropy may not be the be all, end all we think it is. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by DeusXmachina: 9:55pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Yes, I wasn't holding that the law of entropy or most laws as we understand them to apply to the proto-universe. A more fair analogy for me is, what is the likely hood of a perfect statue of a man to form from wind simply blowing against a rock? Highly unlikely, but the probability is not zero. The answer is yes, an inefficient way to put a Boeing 747 together, but eventually yes. |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by Nobody: 10:20pm On Dec 10, 2020 |
DeusXmachina:It's impossible for NOTHING to exist!!!!!!! ANYTHING exists in infinite forms!!!!!! EVERYTHING/The Universe is actually a group of things or SOMETHING or one of those infinite forms !!!!!!! |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by MuttleyLaff: 3:16am On Dec 11, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Martian: Martian:www.nairaland.com/attachments/11912991_1587286624789_jpeg7cfed6a93c5a55b79b80b92cd3cf3ba2 Martian:www.nairaland.com/attachments/11897531_img20200418024236_jpeg900be1c1210c0fb2274b90c055e3eb45 C'mon, don't lie, dont say, you've never deleted, edited out, removed, et cetera anything |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by MuttleyLaff: 3:33am On Dec 11, 2020 |
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Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 5:19am On Dec 11, 2020 |
sonmvayina: Honestly, I dont know what to believe about you as your belief system is not consistent. sonmvayina:Jesus is a real myth! is simply what you are saying. Is that not a contradiction? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 5:33am On Dec 11, 2020 |
DeusXmachina:Don't over stretch the probability in quantum theory : The probability of a human being walking through a concrete wall is not zero in quantum physics but is this true in reality? A dismembered boeing 747 cannot be made to work even if you gave it to 50 Nigerian mechanics to assemble without a manual even in a million years: how much more when a random wind does the assembly. How many years do you think it will take for WIND to screw a bolt into a nut? |
Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by shadeyinka(m): 5:34am On Dec 11, 2020 |
Martian:Did sango transform into a God? 1 Like 1 Share |
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