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tbaba1234: Let's be careful about stories of this kind. It serves no purpose, the country is volatile enough.

All this does is increase suspicion, which we do not need.

Yea, it serves no purpose cause its clearly a fabricated lie abinitio. But knowing Nigerians, it'll would have gone round Nigeria multiple times soon enough.

mazaje1:

Can you post the link to the saturday Trust that has this story?. . .This garbage has been going round on face book since last week. . .Who is prof Dauda?. . .Who are the christians that were caught as member of the BH group? Name them please? No christian has ever confessed to belonging to the BH group any where. . .The spam boot blocked me something it does frequently here. . .That is actually the main reason why I opened this id and I use this to post a lot as well. . .Carry your cries some where else please. . .I said GG Ganaka was the catholic arc Bishop of Jos not a baptist preacher in Kaduna. . .This story has no truth to it. . .Its nonsensical to say that a christian organisation is sponsoring boko haram which is an extremist islamic sect to kill people in churches, homes e.t.c. Using the same theory of the writer i think you can also accuse christians of sponsoring violence between muslims in Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Pakistan e.t.c. The only way the muslims in the north will know peace is when they at things objectivity based on the reality on ground and not spreading falsehood by telling us garbage about a fame seeking moslem convert that seems to have lost sense of direction other than to paint christians or CAN in bad light. . . .All my life I have never seen where a Northerner owns up to his problems, they always shift blame to others and the gullible followers will always believe the lies and deception.

The problem with we northerners is that we always want to shif blame and never accept reality. back in the days we always say the reason why the north is not develop is because of the south, or we say the south doesn't want the North to be united so that power will continue to stay in the South. Now the story is Boko Haram is caused by Christians. For goodness sake when will the north seat down and say yes we take responsibility of our failures and we will seat down and address it. That's the only way this problems that have bedeviled the north since Maitatsine and now Boko Haram will stop. If not even after Boko Haram is trashed we will see a more deadlier Islamic terrorist group emerging in the future.

So true. The blame/rumor game doesn't solve anything. The North has all it takes to be better than our wildest imaginations by far....if only the focus is on the right things.

This is the most ludicrous story I heard in a longggggg time! So after THIRTY YEARS nobody followed through this allegation either in Nigeria (by no less a person than the Emir of Kano )or Cameroon (where Marwa was known to roam to) this story is now floating around in the midst of another insurgency! How convenient!

If the Emir of Kano had known that Maitastine collected goods from the vatican and set up a movement that KILLED MUSLIMS would he truly have kept quiet? Is he a traitor to the Ummah? Does he love Maitastine enough to keep quiet when the then head of state was BUHARI and then BABANGIDA and then ABACHA then ABDULSALAMI (all Muslims). Are they TRAITORS to the Ummah too?

Buahahahaha!

Whao! Somebody's got to try harder!

tbaba1234:



Evidenced by what fatwa?? Is the fatwa law?? I have heard many ridiculous opinions from learned political activists and lawyers on political and constitutional issues. It does not make it law. You do not have to look far. watch the last series of republican debates. If every muslim in the world was hunting for rushdie's head, do you think he will still be alive?? A fatwa is not a binding opinion.

If you read the article properly, you would not miss out on the fact that it is a satirical piece that exposes the hypocrisy of people like you. It is not about removing logs, it is about looking at issues from another angle. The practice of painting an entire group of people with one brush .

intimate abuse exists every where but that is not the point of the article (white or non-white). It is the practice of picking a problem faced by a society and using it to paint an entire society or group of people. You should be intelligent enough to figure that out. It has nothing to do with oyinbo society.

As regards removing logs, it is incorrect to suggest that societies are not trying to deal with the problems that ,might exist within them. It is simply untrue. They might not be effective or they might just face different challenges. For instance: What a militant fails to do for years in getting recruits, a single drone attack on a village will do for him. This is the complexity of the situation.

Face the trajectory of the writer's words and take its lessons (or not).

Thanks.

How society treats a problem somewhat defined them as a people. One society acknowledges the problem and acts in a robust manner and welcomes public discourse, the other looks the other way. Are we to see the two in the same light?

And a similarly linked point; maybe he should write a satirical piece on his society and how their abuse has gone unchallenged thus far..... Or maybe he is afraid of the consequences.....? Lucky he can write a satire from where he is at....

I am surprised you also haven't seen the irony in that satire.... Enjoy!

*yawns*

maclatunji:

Why na?! Wetin I do?

maclatunji:

You are declaring love here? I am watching you.

egbon!

Babadeen:



Tbaba dare not reply this because it is exposing the hypocrisy!



Tiarabubu, I love you!

Great post

Thanks

tbaba1234:




So killing more women and children is the perfect response, and you expect that there will not be more muslims angry enough to want to retaliate??


You are one of the bigots, i see.

So you think that this is a perfect excuse for this terrorism thing to continue abi? Some Muslims "angry" enough to want to strap themselves and take as many lives with them as possible. This is a lame excuse. We know from history that "angry" Muslims didnt need an excuse to carry out terrorism as follows:

(A)
The early days of Islam

Soon after the death of the Prophet Muhammed, his followers invaded Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Eygpt, Jordan, India, China etc. These areas were not Islamic, in fact many were Christian and Hindu. No one invaded Muslim lands to trigger this. Millions were killed by the Muslim Invaders. The invasion largely stopped after a belated response by Pope Urban in the Crusades (to which some Muslims still express outrage for despite the fact THEY caused it). Question: Which Muslim lands were invaded to trigger this "Muslim Anger"?


(B)
The turn of the 20th Century

The story of Uthman Dan Fodio, the Fulani Commander is well know so I wouldnt waste time repeating here. But the question is; What justified the invasion of the entire Norther Nigeria? What provoked Muslim "anger"? Which Muslim lands were under siege to warrant Dan Fodio's action?


(C)
The 80's

There were at least 15 major deadly uprising between 1981 -1995 in the North when Non Muslims were attacked. (Kano, Kaduna, Kafanchan, Kastina, Yola, Potiskum, Maiduguri, Kachia, Jalingo, etc). What Muslim lands were under siege to warrant Muslim "anger"? What did non Muslims do to warrant these attacks?


So you history doesnt support your Muslim "anger" theory. To get to the bottom of this, we need to go beyond "the invasion of Muslim lands" or " Muslim anger" as an excuse. There is more to it than that.

tbaba1234:

You do know what a fatwa means right?? It means an opinion... Every one is free to have an opinion no matter how ridiculous. It does not make it binding on muslims..

Islamic law is very straightforward in this regard, The veil is for women that have reached the age of puberty.

It seems you are totally lost on the purpose of the thread because you have projected it on all muslims again. But then again, it is you. With you, the bigotry always wins.

An opinion of a knowledgeable Sheik. An educated man with considerable following and an authority on the Quran. If Fatwas are just opinions (even ridiculous ones) why is Salman Rushdie on the run? Please remind us.

The Sheik recognized a problem and that was his way of solving it. The important thing is the problem at hand should be on the front burner even after dismissing his solution. But the baby was thrown with the bath water and problem still persist. Issues like these are what your writer should be dissipating his energy on.

Abeg make I go sleep joor.

tbaba1234: zit is the same simplistic comparisons that people like you make. In time?? Do you know how long priests in the catholic church have been molesting kids?? How much longer do you think it is going to be stopped with the church keeping it underground? Please!!'

What part of the muslim world have you been to?? Do you know the minimum marriage age in egypt for instance? This your bigotry never ceases to amaze me.

You should know that 'freedom of speech' means different things to different people, Go deny the holocaust in some parts of europe and see where you end up.. Even in the US, at the least you will lose your job if it is publicised.

With the amount of intimate abuse that takes place in many parts of the west, dealing with the problem doesn't sem to be working out very well. does it?

Why are you more worried about white priests and oyinbos while you ignore a bigger problem in your own backyard? They are perfecting their system, dealing with crimes committed decades ago, and allowing people like you in to make a life and religion in relative peace. Your own people have not guaranteed that for others neither have their system ensured justice for young girls and even babies (as evidenced by that fatwa) nor for religious minorities and you come here to talk of bigotry.Some of us tell it as it is. That aint bigotry.

Please remove the log in your eyes before talking about the speck in another man's.

Simplistic comparisons and generalisations made in that article. But the important thing is that at least the law is catching up with the offenders: Jail terms, derobings, fines, settlements, public discourse etc. In time the exposure will ensure that evryone is aware of the problem and its made a thing of the past.



As brilliant as the article is, how about facing child brides in the Muslim world? VVF in Northern Nigeria for starts, or even things like Boko Haram or the sectarian crisis in Pakistan, Iraq etc. Is there a public discourse about these chronic problems or an attempt by the Ummah to face them squarely? Or the usual refrain "they are not Muslims" and we continue to live with the wahala.

Good for the writer is a Muslim exercising his rights to free speech in Britain and is not a Christian trying the same in Pakistan, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi, or Malaysia.


The whites are facing and dealing with their problems squarely. Are the writer's people doing the same?

I find ironic that some Muslims will seek validation of Prophet Muhammad from the Bible! Its embarrassing really considering some claim that that the Bible is corrupt in one breath and in another quote copiously trying to conjure up Prophet Muhammad's name therein. That these people don't see the contradiction in their action is amusing!

Anyway, this topic has been discussed at some length on this forum, one of which is this one here

http://www.nairaland.com/1009884/why-muslims-think-comforter-jesus

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The same way your 9 posts above have changed the price of Mama Yekini's garri in your neighborhood market!

Lanrefahm: CIA operations. bomb muslim blame christian bomb christian blame muslim (just destroy nigeria so that we can take over) the fools will not know wot hit them

Do you still believe that crap? It was fad in the 70's. We are in a new century. The sooner we wake up and take responsibility for our failings the better instead of blaming others.

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Nice try Mac.....

If you think you can lead me on, forget it. Its as far as it goes.

By this time next week, if I get no response, I will have to adopt my assumption.

Justyaxx: Not again!!! These people are hell bent on destroying our north our pride. Allah ya tsine wa GEJ!

Is GEJ the one who told the NORTH to self destruct? Where are your elders? Where are Ciroma and his northern elders group? Is this not a worst problem to form a "northern elders group" over? Is it only when it comes to the presidency?

You guys will not admit your short coming rather blaming others for what is self inflicted. If you like blame GEJ till 2100, the fact remains that the North is slipping back into the stone age and its caused by northerners themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kaima ka ji storon Allah mana. Ka fadi gaskiya! (You should fear God, say the truth!)

PehaKaso: Cow fuckin & ugly Babangida Aliyu, duri uwa nka! Akuya Hausa......dolo......dan iska......banza......rogo kawai

Why are you insulting the man? He knows you not and wouldn't be bothered, you are here venting your spleen!

Calm down.....isokay.

maclatunji:

No my friend, when someone asks you to define terms in a research, they are asking you to define what the concepts mean to you not your study population. Why? Your research findings are not for you alone. Anybody reading your report should be able to see things from your own perspective not theirs as their knowledge is not important to your findings.

cru·sade (kr-sd)
n.
1. often Crusade Any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/crusade

You have your definition of terms. Can you tell me why some Muslims (don't know about you, but you can include yourself if it applies to you sha) can seem to let go of the crusades?

maclatunji:

You are falling my hand seriously. You want to do research and someone is asking for definition of terms. You say 'no o, I can only define terms until I have research findings.' What kind of researcher are you?

Definition of terms?

If a person has no idea of what the crusades are, then they are not among my study population. I dont have to tell them about the crusades first. I am not concerned what they think of the crusades after hearing about it from me, but what they currently think about it based on what they think they know.

If they heard it from me first ie I have the opportunity to shape their thinking, how objective would this my little study be, huh?

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Really? That's your opinion. Its ok to air it!

maclatunji:

You can't build something on nothing. You have submitted that Muslims are overly emotional about the crusades. I am trying to be objective here and acting as if I have never heard of the crusades. So, I am asking you to tell me about these historical events that you feel Muslims are overly emotional about.

Again you are right. One can't build something on nothing.

But I am building on something. My questions are as a result of observations of the reactions of some people to an event. That is something. I want to find out why and then take it from there. I want to systematic.

If I allow you to coax this out of me, I might not get to know what I intend to find out; why are some Muslims view the crusades as gross injustice.

If I get no response then I have to conclude that the view has no basis and is therefore unnecessary.

Shei you grab?

tbaba1234: Ofcourse, if you keep it restricted to the christian related threads then no problem.

Really. Why should I keep it "restricted" to Christian related thread while you go there as you please? Its a free world in case you haven't noticed.

tbaba1234: Even though, you sometimes do a poor job at proving these 'misstatements', your contributions are welcome if you stick to the topic.

Lol! I didnt expect you to say otherwise!

You are funny. Abeg....stick to the topic, please.

tbaba1234: I. That people mention the crusades in statements does not mean they are 'raw' about it. It was something that lasted for centuries and certainly would get mentioned time and again. The truth is that there is nothing to get 'raw' about, the crusades were a massive failure militarily apart from the first one(to a much lesser extent the third one). Most of them were suicide missions and failed miserably. The fourth crusade took Constantinople and Byzantine Empire was never the same again. It is no surprise that the Muslims finally succeeded in taking it.



It had economic and trade benefits but it failed in its major aims. It would get mentioned because it was a major event but that should not be misinterpreted as rawness.

2. I am a muslim, I love Islam because it is an absolutely incredible religion. I have been blown away by my study of the Quran. That i talk good about Islam is hardly surprising and should be expected, it is the way i see it. I rarely go to christian threads to say things about their religion, i am hardly interested . But you are always here trying to attack muslim threads even innocent threads like the srebrenica massacre. You have consumed a lot of anti-Islam propaganda, you just do not use foul language that's all.

No one doubts your love for Islam. I interject in Muslim threads its because of :

(i)misstatements and misconceptions, such as contained in;
http://www.nairaland.com/1009884/why-muslims-think-comforter-jesus

(2)embellishments, such as in ;
http://www.nairaland.com/1053141/5-examples-outstanding-muslim-tolerance


(3) outright attack on Christianity such as in:
http://www.nairaland.com/1137666/surah-maryam-address-christians#13480710


I never interject when you make other threads like "The People of Sound Mind" or "A Journey Through The Quran.... The Amazing Quran Season 1 & 2" etc. You are exploring your religion with other Muslims and its not my biz.

So, I dont attack Muslim threads, I try to correct your innuendos and outright misstatements which you bury within some of your emotional write ups. So, don't get it twisted.

When you misyarn don't expect silence from me. Sorry!

maclatunji:

That is why I say you are intelligent. However, not insulting does not equate to not consuming propaganda. I observe critically and know what I speak of. So, where is my story?

You are quite right. But let me assure you, I have not consumed propaganda.

Before I lay me down my points, I still want to know why the Crusades invokes such emotions. May be if I know, my points will not be necessary anymore, who knows. Maybe merely laying down historical facts from my side will not address the issue. Let us understand ourselves. I want to know.

maclatunji:

LOL, oh dear! Tiarabubu is something of an outlaw here. That is the problem, the lady has consumed too much antiislamic propaganda and enjoys presenting them as unquestionable facts. Patience my people, show her patience.

With you am covered!

Seriously, sir, I have not consumed too much anti-Islamic propaganda. You can see from my posts, I do not insult the Prophet nor Islam or say the really silly and nasty stuff some say here. Do I?

tbaba1234: ^ Anyone can summarize her side for you, it does not take intelligence to write about the crusades. All you need to do is google 'crusades' and you will get as much information as you need. To get Tiaraburu side, just look for the one that makes Islam look the most evil.

Hahaha!

And you look for the one that makes Islam looks sooooo good......! just one example....

http://www.nairaland.com/1053141/5-examples-outstanding-muslim-tolerance/5#12271978

To me, no one on Nairaland embellishes history like you do. And thats what i find dissapointing about you. You sweeten the tales too much. Coming clean doesnt hurt.

Hey hey guys! Chill! Why y'all rushing at me like this.... One at a time, your questions shall be answered.

vedaxcool: In the mind of an Islamophobe a single persons action equates the unobserved actions of billions, . . . Offcourse in statistics that is being gravely ignorant of reality, for something to constitute the opinion of a majority, u must have sampled their opinion in its entirety or sample a representative sample of the population, u did neither rather like an a typical Nigerian fanatic, u simply invented a tall tale to sell! The real question should be why do Nigerians typically allow fanaticism to cloud their judgment? Better still why do NLanders allow fanaticism to cloud their judgement?

Single persons action? Really? This is what Vedaxcool himself had to say about the crusades just 10 days ago. Na so you dey forget?

Christians are here down playing the deaths of muslims and shias are here backing them up very and even labeling it a terrorist cry! Truly need dua this sort of thing is not new it was witness in crusades, the mongol invasion, Iraq, etc http://www.nairaland.com/1221369/srebrenica-massacre/1


Did I hear tbaba123 agree with vedaxcool? Really? this is what tbaba123 himself had to say about the crusade a couple of months ago;

Do not tell me you want to defend the crusades, you will just commit suicide here.... If you believe the nonsense you wrote, all i can say is that it is quite sad. Murderous western christians killing women and children and fellow eastern christians in the name of God... http://www.nairaland.com/1053141/5-examples-outstanding-muslim-tolerance/5#12271978


So I dont clog up reading space, there are several Muslims on this forum who have made reference to the crusades to suggest it was some form of gross injustice (my personal stance is that religiously and scripturally, it was unjustifiable despite the circumstances Europe found itsself at the time, and have stated so before and now).

What about the ummah worldwide? the examples are plenty; The frequent reference to the west as crusaders, and a major outrage about George Bush's slip up in that "crusade" speech of September 16, 2001. Many in the Muslim community claimed outrage. It will serve no useful purpose to paste many links here, but condemnation poured in from the Muslim world in torrents. Its all online. You get the gist?


Why the raw edge? And, more importantly, the miseducation about the events leading to the crusades? Maybe if many Muslims knew that particular history without embellishments, the term "crusades" will not evoke so much emotion that contributes to the sometimes strained relationships between Muslims and Christians. Another good reason will be to free up the word "crusade" from the dark cupboards of political correctness for the world to enjoy it in its truest form and meaning.

Whao....

*enters thread, grabs a chair and a bowl of popcorn and begins chewing slowly while staring at the PC screen*

lets see how this goes....

I had this talk with a Muslim school mate and the discussion drifted here and there and landed on the crusades. I was surprised at the pained farcade she put up. She was angry almost, and ranted a while about this and that and this. I could have believed the stuff happened yesterday If I hadn't known better. I couldn't help but educate her on the build up to and what actually caused the crusade. She sobered up.

This got me thinking. Why are Muslims raw about the crusades? Is it lack of historical background to the actual events or just another convenient fuel to the anti-west/christian fire?

ghazzal:

and you think he must have followed a christian path? funny. Jesus submitted himselve wholly to the will of the Most high God. Please go and check the Meaning of Muslim then return to comment

Do you know the meaning and the history of the term Muslim? I don't think you do. If you did you will know better.