Thats why i am working hard to be a Logy.

No I am not based in Nigeria and don't know how it is with that field in Nigeria.

I had a bachelor in engineering but that was as much core engineering i will have. I am more of a management person.

o ho! i did not know you meant that. Maybe i missed one part of the earlier comments. Thanks

don't mind them. What did you study at undergraduate and what are you planning to study for masters?

yamakuza:

and maybe this too:

https://www.nairaland.com/987784/a-z-entrepreneur-all-need-know/

Thanks for sharing. I will check on it.

Well i am a runaway engineer but i plan on equipping myself in the operations research area of industrial engineering. That will be the cherry on the cake for me.

MRbrownJAY:

if you want to get into a Netherland Uni then thats the country you should travel to and NOT Germany!

So why not Germany? Is it in Africa? Please explain

I don't think a 2.2 cannot get admissions to a masters program. Only third class require a PGD to be eligible for masters in most countries.

Get your application over first but support with GMA/GRE and TOEFL.

But of course, a 2.2 might be more difficult for masters in engineering disciplines.

Well, its not so popular in Nigeria, but of course those enthustiastic engineers in Nigeria are interested in the mainstream engineering like the mech, chemical, eletrical and not forgetting petroleum etc. I am not necessarily an industrial engineer but i could relate my field to it.

So are you a professional or student and whats your specialization in Industrial Engineering?

I am interested in business, so i will keep an eagle eye on this thread. don't know about the MBA thing though.

There are important questions for you to answer first before finally making this decision. But starting with the most relevant, what role are you involved in your firm? I think from there it is easier to continue with opinions on what might be your best bet.

The Acting Registrar of MDCN, Dr. Udugbai Ilevbare disclosed this in Abuja yesterday during the induction ceremony of 103 foreign trained medical and dental graduates.

According to him, they must show evidence from the health regulatory bodies in their countries of training that they are registerable and could have worked there.

He also said that such graduates from October 2012 must sit for and pass the MDCN Assessment Examination to be eligible to practise in Nigeria.

He said: “May I at this point inform you all that beginning from October 2012 Assessment Examination, foreign medical graduates must show evidence from the heath regulatory bodies of the countries where they were trained that they are registrable and could have practised in those countries if they had wanted to do so.

“What it means is that if those who trained you as doctors permit or allow you to treat them as patients, we can also allow you to treat us without fear.”

Source: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/07/no-foreign-trained-doctor-will-practise-in-nigeria-from-october/

Whose side are you? Home grown doctors or foreign trained doctors with no experience?

spicy v:

Interesting question I must say. One θf my most respected mentors will always say, " always give back to the system that you receive from". Perhaps Violent doesn't consider Nigeria to be a system that offers anything θf worth hence the advice. Lol.

@ Yemmy: are you the HR guru?

No i am not, it just occurred to me how he expects him (OP) to do that.

violent: I unnerved a few of my friends the other day when i remarked that there aren't any hopes that the future of this country can still be salvaged from the mess my generation and my father's, have made of it. This thread further contributes to the strength my argument.

Words couldn't possibly describe what my initial reaction to OP's post was: Probably best described as a sequence of disbelief, skeptical, appalled and horrified (and in that order.) What sort of country pays it's teachers a basic salary of 104 dollars to teach the next generation of scholars?

The future of this country cannot hold, you simply can't by quality for cheap!!!! I have mentioned in one thread before, and i will do so here again: Woe betide whoever is spending funds that ought to be rightly spent on education in this country on holidays abroad and new houses in Maitama.


@OP. Sorry that all my rant isn't probably what you needed at this point, i was probably a little out of touch to be jolted back to reality by your thread. I have often encouraged people to learn to draw a line on just how much they or their service is worth and to learn not to sell below this line!....I'm not in a position to judge whoever is paying you 17 grand a month. His or her ability to afford your services will depend on how much he or she is making as profit at the end of the day. You, sir, however, have options and if i were you, i know what i will be choosing. Unless if of course, you are a staunch believer of the hugely sold crap about teachers rewards being in heaven.

Here's what i will do if at the end of the day if i couldn't get an academic job that pays a lot more than this: I will channel my efforts into my fish farm. I will build networks with anyone that can afford to at least buy a fish (and for those who can't, they probably have families and friends who can). I will seek to expand my sales and market dominance within local market and among retailers on a strict cash and carry basis. I will begin building my contacts by speaking to the parents and guardians of my student/pupils. Once I've had a strong base of loyal costumers, i will resign my current low paying job to focus more on my fish farm. Lastly, I will raise my kids never to give anything to this country and to take from it everything!!

But then, that's just me.

Note that this assumes that you have a strong knowledge of fish farming and a great personality to build networks. If in the case you don't have a strong knowledge of fish farming, the word fish in the preceding paragraph could be replaced with anything from cassava to cow milk.

Goodluck and all the best.

I agree with most of your comments. But one question is, how can he raise his children not to give anything to their country? Just send them abroad? or politically abuse the country like we have right now?

AjanleKoko:

Bros,
I can't help but say, you proved me right. We have indeed been schooled in the Western ideologies.
Is it the respect of the world that's important at this point, or our own survival as Africans?
And the whole idea of 'nobility' is at best idealistic.

Africans have no need to 'invent' anything at this stage, or even compete in any 'global innovation competition'. We need to start from solving Africa's fundamental problems. Starting from food, shelter, clothing, till we move up the ladder, and arrive at self-actualization. I think I already stated this in another thread; I don't believe intellectual property is really relevant for Africa at this stage. If I introduce a concept into the market, the more people try to duplicate it, the better. Just look at packaged 'pure water'. Imagine if only one person in Nigeria had the rights to produce pure water. It would probably cost one hundred naira.

I proved you right not in terms of imitation in Nigeria but how we can be export relevant to the world. That was the basis of my first comment. If we start making things in Nigeria, who does not know we are just imitating what is already in existence. But sadly, we still won't get it right in a lot of ways talk about the packaging, function, standard and so on.

Let me use China for instance. The West will always see China as an imitation successful country. But the plain truth is that they can always hold their own when it comes to innovation. Take the high speed rail as a case. The evolution of rail (not even high speed) cannot be traced to China but in the world today China is the only country that has a train running 431km/h. That is what i meant earlier. This is also now a challenge to the West that they can think on their own.

AjanleKoko: @OP,

Nothing wrong with imitation. In fact, that is the irony we face as Africans. We have been brainwashed by Western propaganda.
An average educated African, most especially the Africans who live and work/study in the West, align themselves automatically to Western ideology,i.e. intellectual property, etc. Unfortunately, that has kept us all in perpetual servitude. Even when we do originate something, we run to Oyinbos to validate it. If they say it's not good enough, we kick it aside.

If Huawei didn't steal Cisco's source code, would that company be what it is today, employing hundreds of thousands of people all over the world? But of course, according to Western standards, that is theft of IP. In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, Japan tried to copy Western electronics products, and turned out pretty poor stuff. Today they're the world leaders in electronics innovation. Likewise India with software, and China with manufacturing.

Truth of the matter is, Africans have to steal or borrow ideas and concepts from other parts of the world to solve their problems. Cos nobody is gonna give us anything. Even when we pay for it, we never get the real thing.

First we have to find what makes us our ideas noble even if it is adding something to an already existing invention as well as understanding the importance of standards. If we don't do this, we will not earn the respect of the world. All the countries you named above have something they can call their own. You can imitate both in terms of the product and processes.

cityofsin: The interviews are not necessarily advantageous towards US graduates. They are just more proactive in preparation, neither does the interview require a math/engineering/business etc background. I have gone through the whole process and can say the most frustrating/hardest part about getting in is successfully getting through the application process.

Nonetheless, if you are called for the test or interview, they will provide you with unlimited resources to prepare. Reading the book "Case in Point" and practicing case interviews is sufficient enough to scale through. Lastly, after reading case in point, you will notice tackling the cases has nothing to do with ones background but following a step by step approach (it is <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#"><a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">very</a></a> formulaic) and a bit of creative/out of the box thinking (eg guessing more paint is needed on certain parts of the plane).

Good luck to anyone interviewing or applying

It is good to see someone with first hand knowledge of the interview process. This advice makes it more easier for applicants from whatever background.

tanimola22:

Just read topics on general finance and business. Their interview questions are somewhat designed to favor those who had US education or something close to that. Many people who have had offers from them (MCkinsey) had their undergraduate or graduate training at a US school.

Just do your best, but don't be too emotionally attached to it.

This is how competitive the world has become.

T22

But something gets my attention. How does a person from finance/business generally know that paint used on that plane will add more weight? and gleaning from the interview it shows more of maths/eng.

Of course, mathematics is one of the greatest undergraduate courses, unfortunately you are in the wrong place with your degree. I will advice you to get your certificate and start looking to run, i mean run as fast as you can away from Nigeria. Don't do anything less.

In the west, Mathematicians are in needed everywhere and i am sure about this. In fact, there are many opportunities for you to get a masters program of your choice abroad with your grade and maybe one or two exams like TOEFL and GRE or GMAT depending on where you look into. If i start telling you so many places you can do well with your degree it will be no less than an essay. So while you have at least seen my first conviction for you is to look elsewhere than Nigeria, i will like to leave this option open for more people to contribute and give you more specific way to go about it.

So don't lose hope, i am sure by this time next year you should be smiling with an admission for a top masters degree.

I just thought i should add one more to start the party. As a very eurocentric person, i would advise you to look towards schools in Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland. Again, i think you should look more into the finance area especially in quantitative finance, acturial or operations research. I am sure some universities in Switzerland and the Netherlands can give you scholarship which include tuition fee and maintenance allowance with a good application.

In Germany, you don't have to pay tuition at most uni but i don't know much about funding at their unis before your studies. But the Government is starting to give very promising student monthly stipend for their upkeep. Sounds good enough?

Start making Google your friend.

This is basically more than an interview. They taking you back to class, scary! Only for the uber smart

tanimola22: [/quote]

I prefer to put your side of the argument to rest because you know there is no fact and you will never agree that a B.Sc inferior to an HND. And if you read my first post on this issue, i never said any of them was better, i only posited that they are both equal but mostly depend on the individual. I hope that clears my side of the over dragged bickering of this topic.

[quote author=veraponpo]I am a BSc Accounting holder fom OAU and I can tell u categorically that BSc Accounting is better than HND although depending on the individual in question.I became qualified almost immediately I finished my NYSC so also my friends, in facts, some of my frinds are ICAN award winners. Bsc holder is expected to do all accounting programmes in school plus other management courses like psycology, sociology, philosophy,political science, etc to equip him more for the society. This makes him a manager and not an accounting technician.

However, HND may do well too if he is a serious student but can only be a under a BSc holder due to different academic backgrounds.

I believe you are living under the delusion of your naija paper qualification. Good luck with your BSc and make sure you get enough HND to control at your place of work.

tanimola22:

Hi again,

It is about discussing what the other person says and what he has written down, not what we suspect he might be saying.

A sizable number of graduates hope to offer goods and services(labor and all) to willing consumers (employers), so economic analysis is never out of place.

The meaning of less and more simply follows from the claims made in some posts on the previous pages of this topic. You may want to go through the posts.

You are very much free to further argue your point. At the end of the day, everyone will be at least one step more educated. The facts I stated are really trivial facts long known in labor market analysis. It would be interesting though to have someone disprove what has been considered true for years.

Yeah, I'm enjoying naija. The only challenge is that money has been recklessly spent on fuel.

T22

Well, i will just let this HND and BSC accounting pass. The only conclusion i have come up with is that almost all the contributors to this topic have made their argument based on the institution they attended in naija. Me and you included. So knowing which is actually better between both institutions from these discussions alone cannot be verified. I think the real evidence should be in the archives of the organizing body ICAN which has been the benchmark for accessing the competence of both sides. Other than that, the argument as you said earlier is a total waste of effort.

And as per your fuel, i am sure their is still more paper in that locker room. Just keep it open, this is naija!

barnabasj:
Someone in the House is Comparing ANAN with ICAN i think ANAN is an exam that is meant for frustrated Accountant, especially people in the Public and Civil service that cannot pass ICAN, ANAN is no where recognized and you can never see any Professional people claiming that certificate.

As far as i am concern ANAN is an exam that is meant for Frustrated accountant that want to becomes a chartered accountant by force.

Back to the debated yes i agree that some polythecnic graduate pass ICAN eazily that Univerisity because most of them start the program from ATS,ICAN foundation levels so they are used to the Module/methods of the exam while most univeristy graduate join the exam at PE 11 level and find it difficults

I am sure you referencing my earlier post. If you have understood me correctly, you will notice in this case a uni accounting grad with years of experience failed the exam while her lower ranked subordinate from a poly got qualified at one sitting. Mind you, she gained admission to study accounting at the poly using her ICAN results. There you have it.

Addressing this matter with economic theories i would say is absolutely uncalled for. I still would not want to say much on your submissions unless you clearly state what you meant by less and more. If what i conceived about your argument is true, then i will keep my judgments to myself unless i am really pushed to come back here and increase the intensity of this discussion.

For now, hope you are enjoying your holiday in naija

Jarus:
Endorsed, even if not totally agreeing with everything.

I think your earlier post implied that uni accounting students are better which is contrary to chambers2 position.

tanimola22: From the debate so far, I may personally conclude that many top employers in Nigeria are indeed very mad for preferring less trained people to more trained people.

Or what else can one say?

T22

I will not want to believe that you actually meant what i am thinking of this post.

There should be total respect for this thread as it is only for oil and gas workers and aspirants. That is why i am happy to see many people moving back to Nigeria to contribute to oil and gas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX7JrAvTdsI

I think scaring this young chap about university maths is not the way to go. As long as She/he can do it in high school she can as well cope when she gets to the higher institution.

Girl/boy, choose what you think you will like to do in the future as well as good at then go for it. Mind you all those courses chemical, electrical, mechanical are all good courses. I think your final decision should be more on which you like more between physics and chemistry. As you can already see by their names chemical eng. is more chemistry and electrical should be more about physics.

You forgot the obvious one, demand and supply. I think the course spectrum at our universities is not large enough to provide for many other career options. All what you have listed above as 25 are what the average Nigerian student call a good course.

Supply: It is unfortunate that not many people will opt for a Maths degree due to the lack of awareness and opportunities they can get from such courses. Listing many other courses that should be included in our universities curriculum would be a futile effort to continuum.

Demand: Also you have to take into account the number of student competing for fewer degree courses at our universities.

There is no enlightenment as well as counselling on what a particular degree will do for a student in the future. This is mostly due to the fact that we don't have the industries ready for change. Take mathematics for instance. Very few Nigerian candidates choose it as their first option just because they don't know what future lies ahead of them with a maths degree not even considering first its academic rigor. In the West, if you study maths and you know where to look to, you will always remain happy financially.

Well, it depends on what you want to achieve with these qualifications. Lets start from a Nigerian who has four masters degree and two Phds.

Ndubuisi Ekekwe holds two doctoral and four master's degrees, including a PhD in electrical and computer engineering from the Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore and MBA from University of Calabar, Nigeria, all completed by March 2009. He graduated in August 1998, from FUT Owerri, Nigeria as his class's best student.

http://africa4it.com/speakers-profile-24.aspx

Well, while i have not taken any of these tests before but i would like to chip in my advice for the quantitative section.

If your maths is very rusty, then you will need help to get back to the basics. I recommend the Cliff's Note(Check review on Amazon; http://www.amazon.com/CliffsNotes-Review-Standardized-Tests-CliffsTestPrep/dp/0470500778/ref=dp_ob_title_bk). I bought the book when i needed to prepare for these exams a while back. It is very good for those who have not done those high school maths for some time. The tricks and strategies in the book are just enough for you to get started. Warning! The exercises in the book are not very difficult. For an average maths student, you might finish the whole book in a day just to retrieve those things that might have as well slipped from your memory.

If you are through with this foundation book and you are the somewhat lazy type and like to be spoon-fed i recommend you visit http://www.khanacademy.org/test-prep/gmat here you will find all solution to the past question from GMAC review book by the test council in video. You just relax and watch the explanation like you are in a class. But remember to practice yourself as well. You learn better by doing.

For the verbal section, you can refer to T22s recommendations above.