Redmosquito: Strictlymine
first of all, dont call me "sir" jare, u make me look old

Redmosquito:
secondly and more importantly, religion was fueled by the need to link up to a supernatural being, but man knew almost nothing about the supernatural being and then he forged it simply from his thoughts, bringing forth the bloodthirsty baal of palestinia, to the decapitating grounds of the mayans and the sexism of arabs to the warfields of isreal, all fueled by a God they knew almost nothing, a God they made in their own likeness.

Redmosquito:
As for the bible, Do you really know how the bible was put together? Do you?

larride: Christianity is not a religion. Christainity is a way of life. After the death of christ, his discples were called followers of chirst, when they got to antioch and the people there saw their behavior, they said they are christ-like which in-turn makes every followers of Christ a christain. Apostle Paul says we should check ourselves daily maybe we are still in Christ. Jesus had laid down princples for us, to guide us and make us a better person. His greatest commandment is LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, christainity is being like christ, following in the foot-step on christ himself, go and read the 4 first gospel in the new testament and see the teaching of christ, his admonition with an open heart, then maybe you will understand more. Its our FAITH that makes us whole, when I pray to good for healing, I have faith in him that he will make me whole and he did, God answers prayers. Christianity to me isn't a religion but a way of life.

larride:

Don't mind then jare. I have a question for all the athesit in the house.

Corruption
Murder
Adultery
Fornication
Idolatery
Robbery

Are these things right?? The bible clearly states that they are wrong, if we follow what the bible says and get rid of these, won't our community be a better place. We say we are free thinkers and yet our society is the bane of immoral acts

Enigma: Or maybe we should ban "democracy" since it leads to the election of these our leaders?

No need: once we ban religion, all our leaders will always be the best and world class visionaries.



"To insist that religion is peculiarly malignant is fanaticism, or mere stupidity." --- John Gray.

Enigma:


1. NEPA (or PH whatever) is not working: answer --- just ban religion, and NEPA will start working with total efficiency

2. Nigerian Airways is moribund: answer --- just ban religion and . . .

3. There is corruption in the Nigerian Ports Authority: answer --- just ban religion.
Ha oga but wait a minute, why don't we ban politics for this one because it is politics that causes them to appoint useless people as leaders.
Noooooo!!! Just ban religion and everything will be alright!


4. GSM is becoming a joke: answer --- you know what to do; ban religion?


"To insist that religion is peculiarly malignant is fanaticism, or mere stupidity." --- John Gray.

Mr_Anony:
Lolololol, it is so funny how they can't see that in their hatred for religion, they have evolved into the very same intolerant bigotted fanatics that they hope to rid the world of.

Logicboy03:


Straw man., You must be peculiarly ignorant if you think that what atheist have been saying since you have been arguing with them over the years on NL


While i dont agree with banning religion because of human rights and freedom of expression, religion carries both positive and negative consequences.


What we need is a truly secular country. Religion will destroy a society if not checked. You can look at theocracies or sharia law.


Your chrsitianity has positive effects like charity and love but the negative effects are;

-destruction of culture (our local shrines that could serve as tourist centres being destroyed by chrsitians)
-witch beating or slapping (oyedepo comes to mind)
-tithe fraud
-masses accepting suffering because they are thinking of heaven rather than focusing on the issues of this life.

Logicboy03:
Really, is that what you believe about NL atheists after year of debating them? You think we all want to ban religion?
Mtchew

Mr_Anony:
Straw man! Please show from the bible evidence of Christ recommending the highlighted. If you cannot, then you are lying against Christianity in order to promote your agenda.


...and for the part in red tell us exactly why it is negative for the country if a man chooses to believe in heaven. Why does it anger you what a man chooses to believe in his own heart? Are you against freedom of belief?

Mr_Anony:

...and for the part in red tell us exactly why it is negative for the country if a man chooses to believe in heaven. Why does it anger you what a man chooses to believe in his own heart? Are you against freedom of belief?

Logicboy03:

Christianity is not a religion?


Please, tell your churches to pay taxes then and also tell them to stop having religious practices like tithing, communion, worship etc

Enigma: "It is only the illiteracy* of the current generation of atheists that leads them to think religious practitioners must be stupid or thoughtless." ----- John Gray


*Yep: illiteracy (or at least illiteracy in the sense of intellectual and historical ignorance) - otherwise no sensible person will fail to acknowledge that the first nations to industrialise and "develop" did so at a time when religion was important in those coutries and their citizens were religious. And even to this day religion remains significant in notable respects in many such countries including the UK, America etc

Mr_Anony:

Please also tell your churches to pay taxes and stop having religious practices like sunday school and evangelism

Logicboy03:


Wait, are you denying that this happens to millions of Nigerians who accept their lot?


~Did Jesus not say to forget worldy desires if you want to follow the Son of man?



Christians keep trying to edit their bible to defend it.





See how you spin things?


1) Did I not say that it is wrong to ban religion based on freedom of expression and human rights?

2) As for the part in red, I like ho you graciously accepted that the other things are mentioned are indeed problems that christianity brings by avoiding them

3) My problem is not belief in heaven or the afterlife. You lie and spin so much

4) My problem is the brainwashing done by pastors and religious leaders to make people not focus on their present life and rather give all they have to the church or authorities because they will have a better life in the afterlife

Enigma: One more quote from John Gray (an atheist himself by the way).

"[De Botton's] spirited and refreshingly humane book aims to show that religion serves needs that an entirely secular life cannot satisfy. He will not persuade those for whom atheism is a militant creed. Such people are best left with their certainties, however childish."

Logicboy03:



They developed when they started to turn away from religion and focus on science. Religion doesnt industrialize countries, science does.



Quoting people doesnt make you smart. Infact, doing it too much shows you cant make solid arguments yourself

Mr_Anony:
Good....I asked you that question so as to expose your hypocrisy. From one side of your mouth you believe in freedom of thought and from the other side of your mouth you count it as a negative for one to hold certain thoughts.

It seems that for you, people are free to reason as long as they reason your way.

You don't really have a problem with brainwashing, you only wish your brand of brainwashing had pre-eminence

Mr_Anony:
Do you mean the same way you often qoute wikipedia?

Enigma: ^^^ Talking about hypocrisy, I remember him and another poster hailing chukwudi44 (against me) for argumentation by quotation and here talking about quotation meaning not being able to argue.

Anyway, too childish/juvenile for me to bother with.

obadiah777: RELIGION IS NOT AFRICAS PROBLEM. RELIGION IS JUST A SOLACE FOR THOSE TROUBLED BY AFRICAS PROBLEMS

Enigma: One more quote from John Gray.

"The church of humanity is a prototypical modern example of atheism turned into a cult of collective self-worship. If this ersatz faith came to nothing, it was not because of practical difficulties. Religions are human creations. When they are consciously designed to be useful, they are normally short-lived. The ones that survive are those that have evolved to serve enduring human needs - especially the need for self-transcendence.

That is why we can be sure the world's traditional religions will be alive and well when evangelical atheism is dead and long forgotten."

striktlymi:

Well RedM I do know how sacred scriptures was put together but really the more I comment on some of the points you raise the more I feel there is a need to get the discuss back on track.

Aren't we derailing this thread?

derailing? how? we are optimiszing the use of this thread! And by the way, why u wan run commot? Did I mingle my emotions in my argument? i spoke purely objectively, I no call names or stuff like dat na! Oya come back make we finish this thing, na only you never abuse person yet, NA u I wan face

Logicboy03:

Christianity is not a religion?


Please, tell your churches to pay taxes then and also tell them to stop having religious practices like tithing, communion, worship etc

Logicboy03:


Even Obadiah gets the memo. Religion is a tool at the end of the day. A tool that cant solve Africa's problem