ihimami:
With this your argument, you may as well support gay marriage and Inbreeding marriage because the world is changing and it means progress with total freedom for an individual choice.

ShyM-X:


However, what have you lot done about those Catholic Priests ra.ping young black boys in their ar.ses on that continent? Churches ra.ping people's pockets by selling them a dream? And all your sisters around Europe prostituting themselves everywhere giving black women a disgusting image?

99cent:
your hatred against women (black and african women to be specific) which caused you to open this thread is very evident for all to see.

that last part of your post is known as human or s.ex trafficking. which thank God is against the law. Although governments spend more time persecuting the pro.stitutes than they do p.ersecuting the pimps and traffickers.

koruji: I hope you were conscious when you wrote the below? Are you suggesting that allowing people "freedom to their way-of-life" include allowing them to deny a young kind her own god-given freedom to live free and make their own decisions in life? Are you in the fullness of your mind considering a girl of 6, 9 or 13 forced (forced because she is incapable of consenting) as being allowed her "freedom to her own way of life"?

Most of the evils that have been perpetrated on planet earth were actually the way of life of some people - that did not make them permissible or something that should be practiced in the 21st century.

No God, no matter what his name, made your third-leg the authority over another's life - it is as simple as that.

seunfly: Shym-x, u should knw that:
1) Most of those laws have clauses that restrict d age of marriage couples i.e the husband and wife must atleast be of equal or almost equal in age, say 15y 4d girl and 17y or 20y 4 male. Any wide margin in age is not acceptable because we all know d obvious exploitation that will take place in d life of d younger partner.
2) Laws are promogated as a solution to existing problems arising from d ways of lives of a man at a particular moment/period of time. This is limited to d knowledge and expiriences he has at dt particular time, which means dt as he aquires more wisdon, knowledge and expiriences the laws are bound to change and be amended to reflect those expiriences and knowledge aquired over time. Therefore it is not normal to hold onto old laws in d name of anything despite d knowledge and expiriences of flaws seen in such laws.
3 If not for selfish reason, with d informations on ground about d resultant effect of child pregnancy ( physicaly, mentaly and medicaly) in d world today, nobody should be formulating d laws dt will encourage such act today. No cultural or religious laws should be encouraged to put those children at risk.
4 In all we do, let us put sentiment from any angle( religion and culture) apart and face d reality of today in other to set rules for our selves. Many people in support of this child molestation called marriage to an adult old enough to be her grandpa can't even allow their own children do such thing because of the true reality he or she knows, why then old to such laws in d name of anything.

ba7man: Marrying/Sex with kids is wrong. END OF STORY!!! Because some people engage in it doesn't make it right.

OAM4J:

Who are these people you are asking to fight for themselves? You forgot the victims here are kids. How do you expect them to fight for themselves? Form an association of underage wives or start kicking against their aggressive randy husbands' blokos? Or do you expect their men who are the benefactors of the crime to fight for them?

No, those of us who have not been corrupted by that way of life have to stand up for them. They are Nigerians and citizens of the world. We must defend and protect them at all cost. There are many ways we can fight for them and whether you know it or not, the fight has already began with many people speaking out against it. I know the fight will not be won overnight, but if we continue the fight, naming and shaming those involve, without some voices like yours who also disapprove the practice but want these people to be left alone and continue their ways of life, soon and very soon it will stop or be reduced to barest minimum, especially when many who are currently sitting on the fence join the fight.

I know a lot of the senators did not vote, cos 35 is definitely not the majority number in the senate. Hopefully in the nearest future many of them will move against it and it will become illegal to marry underage and then we will also strive to enforce that law.

baby_123:

I know better about this than you can ever comprehend. I cited examples. A 19yr old cannot date a 17yr old. If the 17yr old brings it to the authorities, the adult will end up in jail with a child molester tag for life. Everywhere you live, you will have to register as a child molester so all the parents in the area know you live there. If you want to use America as a justification, find a better example.. Ask those who live in America and are in the system. What you read on paper is not what is on ground. Are you blind where you see most of them require court orders? I saw that list too you know.

99cent:

This is what you said, and I quote: "However, people need to be allowed to lead their lives the way they want, as long as it's part of their culture."
hence, let nigerians who want to marry off 13 yr old do so without repercussions?
might as well start saying twins should henceforth be killed and thrown off into forests because it's "part of our culture"
sometimes, a culture might have bad aspects that needs to be CHANGED.
let's not forget that it hasn't been too many yrs when we had some pastors and churches maiming and torturing children because they were accused of "witchcraft" ie child witches. should this also be allowed because it is part of our culture? that one is one heck of a backward culture, and on the contrary, cultures are meant to progress. otherwise u won't even be typing from a computer (modern apparatus) as we speak.

Pataki:
You are outrightly defending this madness. How do you know it does not affect me? This is a national issue NOT a regional issue as you are trying to present it. When this kind of disgusting laws are passed by the senate in Nigeria, it has everything to do with me. I am a NIGERIAN. I deserve a sane society, where kids and teenagers can just be themselves and not be forced into the bondage of marriage and child bearing just because the laws of the land permit it.

ShyM-X:
I know everyone keeps screaming responsibility to protect (R2P). However where's your R2P against:

- Child labour in the same country.
- Poverty and bad governance.
- Extreme corruption.
- Social exploitation of kids etc. in the same country.

I bet you lot are just screaming because those involved are Northerners who y'all love to hate. However, can't you see that it takes two to tango? If the people (Northern Nigerians) directly affected by it don't care - why the fvck should I?

GTFOH! - and post more topics about the future of the country and how to take power away from the center!

Joavid: shymexx for God's sakes we are talking about making this a NIGERIAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW NOT A NORTHERN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. It has always been thier culture to marry teenagers although not legal but we respect it and live with it and let it remain that way. we are not telling them to stop praticing thier beliefs..but it shuld not be made legal,they are not the only ones in this country.
Just imagine those who are not northerns that will take advantage of it,if it is made legal

ShyM-X:
^^^Who told you I believe in the nonsense about pseudo-progressives you lot tout everywhere in Nigeria? Well, I'm a Liberal with cultural conservatism leaning - you may call it Liberal Conservatism.

And how does someone marrying four wives and having nine children affects your life? The last time I checked, Nigeria isn't a welfare state. Most of your just spew tosh without understanding what the heck you're talking about.

ba7man: It really does affect not only our lives as Nigerians but Africa as a whole and even the World. You're an exposed guy so you should know what the chain reaction will lead to. Its already widespread in the Nigeria.....Almajiris and Violent, idle criminals that morphed into Boko-Haram....

They are unable to care for their families but still keep giving birth like rats. The Children become a burden on the society when they resort to crime. Population growth is slowing down on other continents but Africa's increasing despite out economic and social situation there-by adding a burden on the already stressed system.

ShyM-X:


Jo-girl, it doesn't affect you, the beautiful one.

When I'm from, they just passed a law for same sex marriage, and I have no problem with it since it doesn't affect me. The law is just there for those who believe in it.

You'd be alright - if anyone tries that crap with you, shout me. I shall D'jango their ar.ses!!

ShyM-X:


Thanks, bro.

That's all I'm saying, bro. I don't agree with cultural imperialism and I believe people should be allowed to evolve at their own pace.

However, these non-achieving and simple-minded nutters are now accusing me of being a pervert, for advising against the cultural imperialism that made Africa the way it's now. Psychotic white-washed pricks!

ShyM-X:
I know everyone keeps screaming responsibility to protect (R2P). However where's your R2P against:

- Child labour in the same country.
- Poverty and bad governance.
- Extreme corruption.
- Social exploitation of kids etc. in the same country.

I bet you lot are just screaming because those involved are Northerners who y'all love to hate. However, can't you see that it takes two to tango? If the people (Northern Nigerians) directly affected by it don't care - why the fvck should I?

GTFOH! - and post more topics about the future of the country and how to take power away from the center!

ShyM-X:


1. Sir, that isn't my point - my point is that: people should be allowed freedom to their way-of-life. The Northerner Senators voted overwhelmingly for it and no Northerner has come out to speak out against it, so why're Southerners crying-me-a-river over what has absolutely nothing to do with them? At the end of the day, they aren't forcing anyone to practise, it's just there to enable those who believe in it do what they think is right for them.

2. Right or wrong is subjective and also based on outlook. Beating a child and child labour are wrong to most people. However, it's normal in Africa. So who am I to judge what a person thinks is right or wrong? Also, I definitely won't allow my under-aged sister and daughter to get married because it isn't part of my way-of-life and the consciousness instilled in me by my parents. But I definitely won't stop anyone else who believes in it, from doing it. How a person chooses to lead his/her life is non of my business.

3. There are also tons of adults (old bodies with young souls) who can't handle all these as well - should we also stop them from getting married?

Lastly, life is all about choices and if the people it affects directly are in support of it - why should we be ones fighting against it? When Northerners/Muslims start fighting against it - then I'll support their cause. Till then, we need to stop the distractions and focus on Nigeria, and all the unique problems in the country.

ShyM-X:


1. Sir, that isn't my point - my point is that: people should be allowed freedom to their way-of-life. The Northerner Senators voted overwhelmingly for it and no Northerner has come out to speak out against it, so why're Southerners crying-me-a-river over what has absolutely nothing to do with them? At the end of the day, they aren't forcing anyone to practise, it's just there to enable those who believe in it do what they think is right for them.

2. Right or wrong is subjective and also based on outlook. Beating a child and child labour are wrong to most people. However, it's normal in Africa. So who am I to judge what a person thinks is right or wrong? Also, I definitely won't allow my under-aged sister and daughter to get married because it isn't part of my way-of-life and the consciousness instilled in me by my parents. But I definitely won't stop anyone else who believes in it, from doing it. How a person chooses to lead his/her life is non of my business.

3. There are also tons of adults (old bodies with young souls) who can't handle all these as well - should we also stop them from getting married?

Lastly, life is all about choices and if the people it affects directly are in support of it - why should we be ones fighting against it? When Northerners/Muslims start fighting against it - then I'll support their cause. Till then, we need to stop the distractions and focus on Nigeria, and all the unique problems in the country.

babseg:
peado we know u now