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Nihilist: You keep going on and on about European Jews as if there wasn't ALREADY a Jewish presence in the contended areas. I live in Europe with a European partner and have a European son. I have a European passport. Does this mean I have to forfeit my ancestral land in Lagos state?

You are a joker.

Jerusalem, for example was built by the Jews as a matter of of historical fact, yet it was conquered by the Muslims who subsequently built one of their holiest mosques on the same site as the jew's holiest temple.

The fact that the Jewish population was only 20% of the population(according to you anyway) does not in anyway diminish or repudiate the validity of their claims to the area....given that they were actually driven out by CONQUEST anyway...

The Jews themselves assert in their holy books that they had conquered and claimed this area from the Philistines, Edomites, etc...

Claim and Counter Claim.

Nobody has exclusive rights to the area.

I don't have time to argue blindly with you. FYI I also schooled in Europe and currently work and live in Europe with my wife and son who also have a western passport. All these information are irrelevant to the facts. Not all westerners supports the nonsense happening. Many westerners are not in support of what their government is doing but there is nothing they can do about that.

Nihilist: Historically the people living there have varied over time and nobody actually has the sole exclusive claim to the area.

European Jews migrated en mass after end of second world war. The Jewish population was 20% in the early 1940's and there was relative peace in the region. Just like Europeans migrated to Australia, Africa and America to subdue the local, they did the same thing in the Palestinian territory only that they got more resistance than they experienced from Africa, Australia and America. Apartheid was enforced in South Africa in the same period and remember Nelson Mandela picked up arm and fought the then white ruler-ship including destroying of public properties and was labelled a terrorist before he was arrested and sentenced to life in prison. How is that different from the Palestinian crisis?

cirmuell: and you think Arabs own that place? mtcheew!

No the Arabs don't own that place. The people living there historically own that place irrespective of their religious conviction and these people are called Palestinians. People change their religion every day and that does not deprive them of their right to their property. That is just common sense.

Nihilist: This is just pure BS.

I personally don't give two about the war in the Middle East, but I have to correct your nonsense.

The Jewish claim to those lands in actually historically documented from the antiquity to the roman times to the Middle Ages and end of the crusades up until the 20th century.

Middle eastern Jews have lived in Peace with the Arabs for centuries without any problem. The current problem is due to Europeans Jews leaving their country in Europe to colonize someone else's territory simply because of their persecution by Hitler. Land ownership have never had anything to do with religious conviction but strictly historical habitat.

dasoul: nice piece but a better way of writing it is this, Israel is just like Russia while Ukraine is like Hamas. Ukraine is avoiding direct confrontation with Russia after taking Crimea and supporting the secession of Donetsk cos Ukraine knows that it could only win through diplomacy not on the millitary battle ground. Hamas should do the same. avoid confronting an enemy you cannot defeat on military ground, use diplomacy.

There is a difference here. Crimea was historically a naval base of Russia but was merged with Ukraine during the Soviet era for easier administration because the Soviet Union was supposed to be one big happy family for as long as time will allow. After the fall of the union, Russia expected a long lasting relationship with Ukraine and a guarantee of their naval fleet in Crimea but with Ukraine becoming part of the EU, Russia know that they will almost certainly loose complete access to that peninsula hence the reason for their supporting the annexation of Crimea to Russia.
Europeans Jews have no right to claim a land based on some ancient Biblical/ Torah stories. The correlation doesn't work here but I still think Israel is not going anywhere so a 2 state solution will be the only solution to the end of the conflict. But how do you expect peace to exist in the region when Israel is still building settlements in the region that is supposed to fall under Palestine if a 2 state solution were agreed? It shows Israel is not in any way ready for a 2 state solution but want all the land for themselves.

Zags001: I honestly agree to a 2-state solution because dats d most viable option available for peace to be restored. D Palestinians need to hav their own markd sovereign state, as well as d Isreal.
But to say dey want to drive out d Isrealis entirely frm dt region or totally exterminate d "zionists" frm d land (as Hamas hv stated dey wil) is a big joke dat wil only keep causing d deaths of many innocent lives.

While I agree with you 100%, my concern is that people have zero knowledge of the history of the conflict and allow BBC, CNN, FOX etc to deceive them along side blind religious faith. They need to understand the origin of the crisis and know that nobody will allow another nation to dehumanise them from their homeland and not resort to some freedom fighting militia which HAMAS have been doing. The worst is that even though we Africans had a similar experience in the hands of the Europeans centuries back, we are quick to forget the atrocities they committed against us for centuries before we got independence. We might be free today but don't know what will happen to us tomorrow.

I have 2 questions to ask. The first is why didn't Europe/ America and UN create a state for Israel in one of the lands in either Europe or America? The second question is, how will Nigerians today feel if the Brits had displaced them from Nigeria forcefully, relocated the Jews from Europe after second war to take their lands while destroying Nigerian settlements in the process? I am very sure that Nigerians will create militia uprising which will be label as a terrorist group, like the Jews had several uprising against the Germans during the second world war and they were labelled as terrorist by the Germans.
Remember that most citizens of Israel came from Europe, so what they are doing to the Palestinians is no different from what Europeans did to American Indians, Australian Aborigines and Africans between 18th and 20th century. Remember also that Nelson Mandela was once labelled a terrorist because he tried to fight against white ruler ship in South Africa but he is revered today globally because times have changed.
Judaism is a religious based conviction that Jews are special people and is in no way different from extremist Islamist. People speaking against the Palestinians should be happy that they were not born in Palestinian where you do not have a Nationality or a Passport to even travel out because the US and Israel have thwarted every effort of the Palestinians getting their own nation while Israel is expanding its illegal settlement and destroying more Palestinian homes. I still don't understand how people allow the media to brain wash them in the midst of all these facts

woodcook: i take it that you are a moslem. Until moslem stop seeing the war in that region as a war against Islam there will never be peace in that region

I am an Atheist but have brain to reason and analyse event objectively. That is the beauty of being an Atheist because you allow reason to guide your judgement and not emotion or religious delusion.

Missy89: Please these are not facts!
The kids were kidnapped in the West Bank.
Hamas is in Gaza and they denied Kidnapping the kids. even thou they might not be telling the truth (which i suspect), the responsibility is on Israel to proove beyond reasonable doubt that the suspect committed the murders and not dish out collective punishments in the West Bank

The funny thing is that Palestinians are killed everyday and they get no media coverage and as soon as one Israeli citizen is kidnapped or killed, all the western media carry the news. The western media are the most evil vessel here by spreading propaganda and being biased in reporting the actual events happening in that region.

I still don't understand how people can justify the actions of Israel when Israel have always been the aggressor from the beginning in 1948 when they stole the land of the Palestinians and displaced them from their villages. I will personally support a rebellion against any invader that destroy my country and oppress my entire family even though I will most likely be labelled a terrorist for demanding for my right.


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tinuolababy: 12 girls, 48 boys. Ratio 1:4

How many girls do you have in a typical science Engineering class in Nigerian universities? The few girls that have the courage to go into science/ engineering usually have a very fufilling career while the others that choose not to go into the sciences/ engineering just sit on the side and shout discrimination. Maybe its time you advice your women folks to start going into science/ engineering rather than mainly the arts and administrative field because the opportunities are generally better in the sciences/ engineering.

teeo: What's the needto know for

It will make me understand if you are talking from experience or just imagination. Life as an adult in most cases turn out different from how we fantacized it to be as children.

teeo: Any man who overly manages money is stingy, your wife should be the one who manages funds.
That's my personal opinion, any woman who spends anyhow won't make a good wife.

Are you married?

Mr david and co, I don't have time to argue on this issue. You guys are free to implement western marrigae laws in Nigeria and see the effect on your family system.

carefreewannabe: I don't have time to watch populist videos that begin as follows:

More and more men choose not to go to school, not to search for a job and to get married

Then stop arguing when you have no information or data to backup all what you're saying. The good thing is that the video you're talking about was made by a women (Dr Helen Smith a Psychologist) so it is not gender bias.

[quote author=carefreewannabe]We have just been talking about Europe and you send me a link about the USA? Is it another joke of yours?
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Madam I listed America, Canada, Australia and Europe in my earlier post. I don't have time for this back and forth argument with you after all the above video I have posted including the one on scarcity of men in some UK household. Enjoy yourself if you want to continue arguing because I don't have that time. I am only here to give facts and if you don't watch the videos I posted, then don't respond to my post unless you have a counter claim to what my videos are saying.

carefreewannabe: I wanted to provide statistics but he refused to tell me the country he was talking about

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/marriage-rate-falls-to-record-low-in-u-s-pew-says/

Only 20% of Americans between age 18-29 are married

carefreewannabe: Of course you don't but then stop saying that MOST Europeans don't marry. Your personal experience is NOT representative!

You definitely don't know the difference between marriage and cohabitation. You need to educate yourself better on the environment you live in. Even an elderly colleague of mine complained about all his 3 children just living with the opposite sex with no legal attachment and children are involved.

carefreewannabe: Tell me which European country you're talking about.

I don't have to say everything about myself on the internet. Watch the videos I uploaded and you will understand how bad the system is.

carefreewannabe: I also live in Europe. I have lived in two different European countries so far. I am a regular visitor to a third one and I have spent part of my studies in a fourth one and people DO marry in Europe! Very very often!

I have also lived in 3 different countries so far, with one being where i did my MSc and have worked in 2 other so I am very sure of what I am saying. I repeat again that most of the young guys in the west have children with no wife. They just live together and separate when they are tired of living together with no legal consequence except child support.

carefreewannabe: Where did you get this info from? Celebrity gossip?

I live in Europe and know for sure that most people cohabit so that all they are liable to after separation is child support. None of my European male friends and colleagues where I work are married. I repeat none because they understand what their father have been going through over the last 20 years. It will only get worse because of the extremism of 3rd wave feminist.


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What you guys are trying to do is to Bleep up the family system. In Europe, America, Canada and Australia, men generally don't get married because marriage is all about a woman hooking a man and getting a divorce after a short time, leaving with 50% of the man's asset that she didn't contribute in acquiring. You women will be the one's to suffer when men stop getting married to your daughter and also when you see a woman pretending to like your son only to divorce and steal bulk of his asset. I will personally tell my son not to marry if such a system is introduced in Nigeria because I am sure many women will marry just to get a man's asset.
What you all should be fighting for is how to make women independent from their husband rather than advocating for them to be leech on a man. After all, women go to thesame school as men and have thesame opportunities out there as men. The only condition that I will advocate compensation to a woman is if she is full time house wife because of her husband insistence and not because she is lazy and just want to sit at home.

Cooldude001: Why not America?

Because tuition fee in American universities ranges from 15,000 to 30,000 USD depending on the the university while education in Norway is free. All the government have to pay is their cost of living which is much cheaper for the government compared to sending these students to the US to study. Also Norwegian education is definitely not bad.

nurey: In Nigeria, 95percent of men would wish their first born to be a boy. Even deep inside me I wish my first child would be a boy, the reason is not far fetched. Every Nigerian man wishes to have a son to carry on the family name so the faster he has a son, the better for him. But If I had a girl as my first child no qualms for me.

I kind of disagree with you on the reason for men wanting their first child to be male. That said, I will say that the Nigerian male child tend to understand responsibility much earlier than their female counterpart because the average Nigerian woman in her 20's is so crazy about marriage and build her world ad imagination around it while the male is hustling and struggling to make a career for himself. That is not to say some female don't hustle to get a career but it can never be compared to the effort men put into struggle for genuine success.

Please note that I am not in anyway saying you must have a male child first cos that is beyond your control and any child (male or female) can be brought up to be successful. I am just giving my opinion on the sexes.

victwi: I know one thing for sure.... Atheist spend so much time trying to convince themselves that there is no God..... When they have succeeded with that, they try to convince or rather confuse others, but within their subconsciousness, they know there is a God.

So much ignorance and one of the consequence of religion. You guys just believe you know stuff with no evidence while your race continue to suffer in abject poverty worldwide because you all refuse to accept your ignorance when you don't know about something. The brain is in our head for reasoning and asking of questions rather than jumping into conclusion based on imagination.

Your mum have her life and you have yours. I will tell you to disregard your mums feeling and try to get some satisfaction from this short life. As long as you are independent, just don't mind what she says except you want to see yourself as a hypocrite living your life for people while they are not ready to leave their religiosity for atheism. Your mums threat is a bluff and I think she is also selfish.

chatmate: ok lemme ask this questn.. can i visit uk with a student residence..from holland.

No! You need a UK visa

Naija_lastborn: either fresh or old passport what I mean its that it happen in any country to any Nigerian holding Nigeria passport though not all the time... Talking from experience..

Have you seen where they completely stripped someone's bag open at the border for no reason order than the person being black and they leave you to sort yourself out after the experience? He should just avoid that border problem by entering the Netherlands and travelling by train to Venlo. As per airport, the experience is very different as they don't treat you like criminal just because you are carrying a Nigerian passport if you have a good travel history. On the other hand, the police guys at the border mostly hate foreigners and have nobody looking at them hence they can treat you the way they like because it is their country.

Naija_lastborn: this happen sometimes in any country.. and you as a black you should just get used to it.. #zwaartpiet

While I don't argue with you on that, he is probably coming in with a fresh passport and so should be ready for insult and undue scrutiny at the border between the Netherlands and Germany. I hardly have that problem now because I don't ever travel by train through European countries anymore and only go by air. Also I have traveled alot with so much visa and stamps on my passport that I don't get any problem at port of entry even in the US.

chatmate: thanks bro.. 2good are u livin in venlo.. i have no one there oo.. i ll just come in thru amsterdam no wahala

No I studied for my MSC in the Netherland but currently out of The Netherlands.

chatmate: pls despond ..is it advsiable to book a flight to germany weeze airport or amsterdam.. d schl buddy advised me to come thru germany cuz its 45 min to venlo ..via train or so. i m thinkin is it advisable or shud i just book flight to amsterdam direct that will take 1hr 45min and might be from one train station to another.. wud their immigration let me in..from germany? and do i need just one way ticket.. accomodation is venlo if anyone can advise plz.. its 325euro to 400 they told me.. i m looking for cheaper ..since my buddy there ll meet the landlord and collect the key for me before i arrive.. again i can manage wit anyone there oo.. all this expensive stuff mehn.. finally my buddy ask wit residence student permit there .if i can live ingermany to go to schl everyday ..thats what he does.. thx i go like add friends pls for my bb or whtspp

I have gone to Germany from the Netherlands twice through Venlo and I must tell you that the immigration guys at the border are racist as they will single you out for screening and unnecessary questioning even after showing them all your documents so I will advice you to just fly straight to Amsterdam and take the train from Schipol to Venlo since you are new in Europe. As for accommodation, Europe is expensive and so just expect to pay a rent of between 300 and 400 as you rightly pointed out or you can share a room with someone if you can tolerate the inconvenience.

Ms Nas: Loool. He probably hasn't stepped on the shores of America not to talk of setting foot in the south.

Louisiana (especially New Orleans), Tennessee (Memphis), Texas (Houston, Dallas, Austin) Alabama, Kansas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri........ all southern states have a HUGE black populations. Jackson, Mississippi as you said is is black planet

The question you guys refuse to ask is why are all the blacks people living in thesame area while the white people keep on moving away to the suburb in most southern states of the US? Southern States in the US is a place where you'll see people publicly flying the confederate flag with impunity without anybody saying anything. Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas are all fucking racist place if you don't live in the black community. The white people in these states and many others just don't want a black man to live in their neighborhood and prefer the current order of things where both races are generally separated. I think racism or profiling in America is very prevalent due to the excessive power of the police as compared to the UK. About 80% of black people in jail are there due to war on drugs which have more or less targeted poor black community than white community even though data shows that white people are more likely to use drugs than blacks. America have some very covert laws that replaced the Jim crow laws that is why you have so many black people languishing in jail. Currently data also shows that an average of 1 in 3 black men will go to jail in their life time.


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