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wilses:
Then tell us what you know. show us sanity.

Classic: the greatest madness that defies psychatric scope is to prove nothing, condemn others for their intellectual exercise at proving their observations and assume to be the proof of everything, and finally to label others 'fools' for believing things outside your context. I don't know of classic example of 'grandiose delusion' than this. Father Of Nations, Proof Of Eternity, tell us the story you are defending: we need to know. This will help us to start thinking the way you want so as not to have a clash of ideas.

Bosville:
Wow 9ce one there...you must be a yoruba scholar...ODU Ifa corpus tends to be the hardest Yoruba to decipher....you might help me with one anytime soon.. thanks bro.

hm thatz a very tall order.

Ifa is no child's play...but we can always try.

Bosville:
Help me translate dis bro "Ajegun ni igunugun(vulture) njebo"

whats up Bosville?

let me say it this way:

"ajegun nigun njebo...
Ajegun ni akalamagbo njoku ona."

"The vulture consume sacrificial carcass as inherent veto-right."
the Hornbill consume obligatorily any carcass found by the wayside.

this is an example of Ogede (beauty-tongue) used by the Yoruba.

It is said as an incantation to decree your deed as unquestionable,

a spiritual seal.

But the same can be broken by another person who can make it void.

the opponent will tell you, Eewo! and thereafter give his own version

to negate the decree.

PeterKbaba:
From your analysis, what about:

Yo = Bright= Sun
Ru = Oru= Night
Ba = ba = Ruler

Sun that rule's the night.
Remember the Arab sign is the Moon and the European sign is the Star, while the black man sign is the Sun.

Therefore, the Yoruba's are either the Sun that once ruled the night (Arabs - Moon & Europeans - Stars) in the past. Meaning our forefathers gave us the name which tells a reminder story of our past before we arrived Nigeria or the Yoruba's (Sun) are destined to Rule the night (Arabs - Moon & Europeans - Stars) in the nearest FUTURE!!!

It is not the sun that rule the night, blessed soul, it is the moon that rule the night.

The Yoruba have the one that has to do with the sun that rule the day. But that version got corrupt along the way:
Sonpono Elenpe nana Ajobo. Thats Obaluaye, that is, Oba- Olu-aye. The Yoruba has vilified this with Olode, tita, Igbona.

They were only trying to spot that term "Yoruba" with the lighthouse. They were mariners of old.

I still enjoy my cognomen as a descendant of the great Ohori people,
from my paternal grandma. She's from Ketu. So grandma says my oriki thus:

Jaka ara weme,
Omoba tente lori omi.

Jaka's brethren, people of the book.
The prince that float on the edge of the sea.

Then, our folksong goes thus:

Oyinbon fun gala o,
omo alaketu, ketu kenafe.

By the way, Ohori is a Yoruba word: Oho ri
The discovery of the people who fled.

Ho is the same as Sa, to flee from home.

Happy nu year.

Ade la kun

remi-redo, that is.

The crown divide the yoke.

The crown snaps the rope.

Being crowned beats gluttony.

The crown surpasses stomach-infrastructure.



Youth, seek the perfect future of your dreams.

Do not allow the quest for crown by the politicians fall you for a morsel of food for the stomach.

Be careful, many are gone.

Remember June 12,

Remember MKO.

blacko:
The origin of the name Yoruba is a very simple one first of all the yo was. Coined from oyo then ruba means people so Yoruba means people of the oyo empire the name was most probably coined by neighbors

So, what should the ancestors do to you?
Give you an award?

Zeemoor:
This is a hard one
Some yoruba words are just so deep
I know 'siregun' is to (constantly) remind someone of an act of benevolence but what I don't know is the perfect word/translation
For 'siregun'
~
2prexios, any idea?

I think something like recrimination or animadversion is close to "sinregun".

Happy nu year my zeemore. Miss ya.

blacko:
All of u who write and make lies about the origin of the Yoruba's shall be punished by our ancestors

You are talking of your wicked ancesors I believe.

My ancestors were scholars and I'm a scholar like them. They are not vulgar and agonizing people fill with hate.

This is the precept of Yoruba history:

B'omode o ba 'tan,
o nl lati ba aroba,
Aroba ni baba itan.

If a young mind miss out at the historical facts,
He cannot miss the speculations about the fact,
The speculations will give birth to the historical fact.

So these were my ancestors who believe that if the young mind continue searching and utilizing the speculations at their disposal,
they will somehow unlock the secret held up tight in history.

But your own ancestors are all about punishing people who dare to scrutinize what is at their disposal. What manner of ancestors!
We have different ancestors anyway. I'm not afraid of yours.

*Esua/ Eshua:

That is the name for the first composer of Eyo song, called Aro Eyo, that is, the Lamentations of Eyo. The singers of Aro Eyo normally end their chant with the name "Eshua!" in praise of Eyo. The true Eyo is identical with Olori Olugbani of Lagos tradition. Eyo Ile Ola.

Eyo je kin boba gb'ade dele
kin bo ba de'ga, Eyo Oba.

EyoOba
YoOba.

Yooba.

MetaPhysical:
Lol. Im beginning to think we should discriminate by saying the ancient occupants of Canaan, the ancient occupiers of the land of Midian, the original owners of Mecca or Kaaba, the occupants of the Jerusalem temples...rather than saying Hebrews and Arabs.

The denotion American is a perfect example, Who is American, the European settlers, the African settlers, or the native Indians? You cannot find one trace of native American Indian land in Georgia or Florida, from wherw they were relocated in the famous trail of tears to be resettled in Oklahoma. Even in Oklahoma a deliberate act of white-out has caused their legacy to change hands and Caucasians are the new Indians in Oklahoma. The Indian was the original and native American. Those who today answer as Americans are indeed citizens, not natives, of America.

Left to me Im almost concluding that Yoruba was originally an Arab and the one out of which the Arab culture itself evolved. By analogy, Yoruba is the native Arab, those who answer Arab today are citizens, not natives of, Arabia.

how many people can vouch for this o

My only contention is that the evolution occured in Afro Asia, in other words Yoruba started elsewhere and settled in Ile-Ife at a later age, as opposed to the reverse. Which would mean Yoruba name was not given to us in our new settlement but instead followed with us from origin to settlement. In that case only those intimate with our culture and race and had knowledge of who were in our ancient land knew to call us Yoruba and also taught to those who did not know the identity of our race.

then we've been Yoruba all along, not Arab

This makes sense why Ahmad Baba and the Malian scholars and the Andalusian Sufis knew and wrote of us as Yorubas, the people of or the race of Lamarudu (Nimrod) and because the Lingua Franca of the Sudan was Ajami, this name identity was repeated in the narratives of Sultan Bello and interpreted to Clapperton and Landers, from where it found its way to the missionaries and in turn retold in the revised version of Samuel Johnson's book. Our neighbors on the other hand knew of and called us the people of walled city (katunga) or the greeters (Aku) because they were not fully informed of our origin and journey....nonetheless regardless of their knowledge of our history and background, everyone in the West African belt agreed that Yorubas were foreigners!

We need a build around tradition of this Lamurudu in Yoruba oral tradition, or else we will always be grateful to these people who told us we are from Lamurudu.

Depends on whether 9jacrip accepts the modern Arabs as the native Arabs or simply as citizens of Arabia. Lol.

A set of knowledge is maturing in Yorubaland and Yoruba diaspora. Yoruba diaspora had recognized long ago and merged Christian ideologies and creeds into their Ifa practice and removed the confusion that we in Yorubaland are struggling with.

Cubans and Brazilians and Perto Ricans know instinctively that Jesus is same character as Esu.

If it were possible to teach Yoruba muslims that Alhaji and Alejo are same thing and Umrah and Imura are cognates, more importantly that the laterite stone at the entrance to the Kaaba is symbolically the same as the one at the entrance of any Esu shrine in Yorubaland then we begin to recognize a new mindset in our muslims in their visit and return from pilgrimage. They will no longer see Hajj as an elite social status but instead recognise it as the stage of atonement to reunite and reconcile matter.with spirit. In other words, Alhajis and Alhajas will see the light and come to understanding that the Hajj pilgrimage ia nothing more than IRUBO and the Kaaba is the shrine containing in it an altar or OJUBO (the point faced for offering)....the qiblah which Islam requires everyone to face when worshipping.

You cannot enter the BaytAllah (sanctuary of Allah) without first passing through the entrance door, but the significance of that door is the black stone, the symbol of Esu. Literally, Esu is the sentry or divinity through which we must first pass in order to approach God.

So what is BaytAllah and what is Obatala?

In Bible Christians say no one comes to the father but through the son. Who is the son? They said Jesus.

Even if we are numb to intellect and could not see the correlation of Esu and Jesus being one and the same we should pick up on the fundamentals of the rituals and instantly accept the two as one person or divinity.

Esu and Jesus are not identical, my brother, except you have to make it a dogma. Esu and Jesus as saviour have some things in common: Esu/Esua, that's Yoruba saviour who was a woman, Jesus/Yeshua, a Jew who establish Christianity. Can we merge it?

The primary tenet of Christianity is the Trinity. Well, the fundamental tenet of Esu worship is Orita Meta (the three crossroads). The space formed by a lay line of the crossroads is an eye called the portal or vortice...a very strong energy point. The trigonometric construction of the planery crossroads is what gave rise to the Christian Cross.

So something is rising in Yorubaland that will unite all these knowledge and a time will come when the world will again become students of Yoruba civilization and come to us for knowledge about their own humanity.

For centuries there was a separation between Ifa and Western scholarships. Westerners are studying in Ifa and they are getting obsessive. Similarly, custodians of Ifa knowledge are also encouraging their descendants to get Western education.

Im a certified IT Communicatiin professional and with 15yrs experience, yet I still need the use of a tool to calculate IP subnetting. Ifa diviners subnet innately with no problem and they dont even recognize it as a vital branch of knowledge in computing.

Imagine a child raised in Ifa background and who goes to study Computing, he will understand the basic structure of binary and octets effortlessly because he is in his element.

We must encourage that, we must subscribe to that new Yoruba evolution. We do so by breaking down the inaccuracies and lies and unveil the truth.

Let me move on my brother...




Yes, the Yoruba tradition is durable and reformative, it sustains and spins off in new direction when threatened by impending calamity. This is why we still have Yoruba today and Ifa has not died, even though so many other ancient practices have been subsumed or killed off by new orders and faiths. Again, a time is emerging when Judaism, Christianity and Islam will fold back into Ifa. Each of them is going through cleansing and when they each attain their breakpoint everyone loose faith and their humanity and are forced to abandon logic and return to instinct. At that point of rebirth for humanity Ifa would have significant meaning for mankind.




To question who You forget Oba is "igba keji Orisa"!
So all attributes to the King will not contain terms like question, whether in the positive or negative order.

Look, lets go back with our imagination to Mecca itself and visualize the Kaaba in its pre Islamic days.and.picture Yorubas in and around the shrine. Its worship time and everyone is gathered to do what to the idols? To prostrate and kneel.and bow. Well, is this not the same manner we greet when we gather around an Oba, who is second in command to the divinity or deity in the Kaaba?

The word Kaaba is a set. We have lost them, even the Kaaba is not in our posession. The only one we have left, like the Araba...is Kaabiyesi, akaba.

If we hold Kaabiyesi to be a position of highness, a higher pedestal above others, and Kaaba as meaning honor, greatness, then Akaba is a part of that word-set.

I will suspect the place we go to give honor to God the Greatest (divinity) is the Kaaba
The person above us we honor is Kaabiyesi
The tool we use to move to a higher elevation is Akaba.




I think you meant that the role of Esu was misinterpreted and revised with biased outcome. If Esu had not been changed we would never have accepted Jesus who the white man had taught around the world to others who were unfamiliar with Esu. If Yoruba stuck to Esu as his savior, then white man would have had to kill all of us off and erase any knowledge of Esu or make a second trip around the world revising and substituting Esu for Jesus.

Esu was indigenous to us. His new role is what is foreign to us. We have always had the beaded crowns on our land, its part of our ancient heritage and each crown has the face of Esu on it. Its no different than the Pope wearing the insignia of Jesus on his robe.


God Bless.

Happy new year, big bros, prepare to be king of Yoruba supremacy club

You are in a hurry, all will be named later by op elsewhere soon, at which the world closes up on 'op and few righteous men that believe him'. He has lost all, everybody is a suspect. he is losing his gift, writing, to the unseen boogeyman. It is not good to be a blackmailer, it can become an insatiable urge that claims its victim in time.

Here are the Satanic verses. OP is at the verge of schizophrenia. He has grandiose delusion at which he is attracted to big men he detests only to validate his persecution by them. This is travelosis syndrom, when you lose everything at traviling, you may enter the phase of mirage. God will heal you.

MetaPhysical:
Before signing out I consider it very important that i again ask for forgiveness if i offend anyone's faith or belief system. Im only pointing to the root of my own culture and finding truth and pride in its greatness.

Noah, Abraham, Moses, Aaron, Jesus, Mohammed, were all Arabas and they divined.

Yoruba stuck on us because we are the true progeny of the line of Noah, a people of divination.

Arabs will supplicate to God and say Ya Rabb or Ya Rabbi. Well, Rabb or Rabbi is not one of the names or attributes of Allah. So who is Rabb?

Irubo - divine grace!


Edumare a fun wa se o, mo ki gbogbo wa ku odun!

Beautiful piece metaphysical, but I'm wondering it seems we have a running battle, if I drop the Hebrew card, you drop the Arab card too. The words of 9jacrip and macof seems to haunt me, to 9jacrip, why must our history be used to promote the Arab stories? To macof: the christian Yorubas are writing Yoruba history with christian turn of mind, the muslims, with muslim turn of mind.

My only inspiration is simply that, they have their own angle too, nobody is neutral. But then, I also stand with Yoruba tradition because its pro-migration, pro-creation and not pro-evolution. I believe the Yoruba tradition needs nobody to lean on to stand, Arab o, Hebrew o, "ife lo wa n'be ta nbore jeko, tile oge to gee je"

Lets look at Kabiyesi, it means ka bi e si, "to question him not available" is it what Kaaba mean? the closest word to Kaaba in Yoruba is Akaba, except Kaba in Kogi state. Was kaaba significant in Yoruba history? There have to be more cogent point for that o.

As touching Esu, you did a great job sir. The problem with yoruba history is lack of documentation. But the stunner is that you spell it out as Elegbara. Esu is someebody's name. It was the name given to the matriarch of Yoruba by people who want to vilify her as evil. Look at this one

Efunsetan: Evil Seitan

Elegbara on the other hand is one who saved the congregation, so one mans saviour is another mans hero. The Yoruba knew evil as a word from old, efun, they know the word Satan, sata, sota. Ota is Yoruba word for enemy, and its also a word for places in Yoruba.

Now to combine the two word, the Yoruba will say, ko besu b'egba. Egba is another word for Esu, Esu is not necessarily evil, but a variant form of Odu or Su as in dark. So we can not always see the Esu in Yoruba history as you have it in Scriptures.

Ifa priests are disciples of Esu, that is the dark skinned, she is the mother superior of their institution at the beginning of Yoruba empire.

Faru:
This controversy has already settled itself. What is needed is application of common sense and logic. Considering the era in question it's impossible for a total stranger to be crown a king in an already established empire. secondly, the Benin empire predates any known Yoruba empire and lastly it's a common fact that the binis established Eko (Benin word for camp).

EKO is important to you. You made it impossible for Yoruba hegemony over bini, but you make it fact that bini establish Eko. Why not use the same rule to validate Edo as offshoot of Yoruba, where Edo mean station: mind you, ancient Yoruba reckon Edo monarch as Oba Ado, a Yoruba word.

^^A woman is saying all this? Epe ti po joun to sonu lo.

MetaPhysical:
Exactly!
So then, what is ebo? Why do we give an offering at all?
You are creeping up on something..

Thanks baba. You know you subscribe to Noa, I subscribe to Abraham. The name Ebora is Yoruba version of Abram. It is only in Hebrew culture that you have ebo (sacrifice) central to a peoples existence, as you have it in Yoruba. Ebo is offer, Irubo or Ibo is offering, something (food) you give in anticipation of favour. When Abraham offered ebo, birds came to feed on it, likewise Yoruba will say 'bi a ko ba rigun, a ko gbodo sebo'. Ebo is what you give to the ancestors to receive their favour. If the ebo vanish-Ebora, then it is said 'Ebo fin, Ebo gba, ire wa de Orun'. Ebo is the ancient Yorubas way of saying their prayer. Riru Ebo Ni Gbeni.

Absolutely. The Yoruba are aware of the sun and if they choose to allude to it they can. They have a concept that says Irawo osan ti bagba l'eru, that is, there are symbolic afternoon stars. But as to Yoruba, they were saying 'beacon in the dark' or ObaYoRu, that is, ruler of midnight brightness. The light that rule other starlets, so to speak. We have a great name. I'm proud to be Yoruba.

MetaPhysical:
Sorry guys, i had neighborhood friends drop in on their own chosen schedule. Lol.



Prexios so what is "RU" in Yoruba?






There is no doubt Yoruba was a supremacist nd colonist in past.

I think the RU is altar!

Bros me, you are right o, but my tot is, it is an oriki of the same sort as 'Olokiki Oru'. It is the same idea that some brilliant ancient wordsmith made to 'midnite britening monarch'. Ancient Yoruba had scholars, maybe they were responsible for all Yoruba keywords. As to RU, riru ebo, I think it is the process of 'carrying' the ebo that is 'ru'. But when you say 'A bo RU bo Ye o! RU is identical with Ye. RU-BO is BO-RU, BO-YE. To bo Ye is to make sacrifice to Ye. Then study the response of the priest: A bo Ye bo Sise o.

OdenigboAroli:
Smart guy.

God go forgive you bros where have you been now? I be no dey see your breaklight at all. Complements of the season. Help me tell Op make him mechionu o.

pasqal09:
why, will you turn gay on that day?

My generation has never been and I wont, ever.
Curse be upon any of my household that go astray like that.
The blessings of God shall not depart from my Godly household.

pasqal09:
and how can you know that cos the only thing i can see about her is her mouth

She has older pictures that she change time to time
And if she turn out to be a man, it would be a day to remember.

op,

source?

https://www.nairaland.com/2061568/zeemore

e no izy to offend the world.
enjoy.

Meanwhile, this is a place to relax and have fun. some of these people you will never come across in real life, if as op you are this sad over trivial and perusal adventure of others here, only God knows what you do with your valuable time.

My thread is for a friend, zeemor, whom I've been connected with since a year ago. If she is in my neigbourhood, and we have been acquaintance for this long and on friendly disposition, who knows what would have been? You don't.

Little people often think when you open up to a woman and praise her, you have seized to be a man or something. A man who lack emotional intelligence will never make a good husband, and the home will be endured and not enjoyed by anyone.

I have seen the typical chauvinistic home and the consequential life of a woman not loved by her husband, so I will love to do it differently and treat my woman with good humor and respect.

I will love to build a home, not a "husbandom". My neighbour can go and die if I play like stupid little kid with my wife that is a gift of inestimable value to me. its my home. It is between me and her, bussybody mind your business.

Zeemoor:
Ladi, oro e o ye mi ooo
Did I ask for your hand in marriage?

I'm ashame of mysef, forgive me o.

Zeemoor:
Last time I tried chatting you up off nairaland, you went ghost-mode on me
Tell me, what are you afraid of?
I don't bite

God! women, you can never keep secrets. Well, my online chat mode is always impossible. Secondly as you should know, I am a recluse, I'm married to bookstuffs and easily fails at other things, such as relationship, that's my weakness.

MetaPhysical:
Rabzy,
Just few years ago I discovered the use of root words to decrypt sense and meanings in ancient tongues like Yoruba, and ever since I have uncovered a lot of treasures hidden in Yoruba tongue, language and culture.

On this topic I want us to focus on the root word YRB.

Use your imagination to twirl and toss YRB in variety of combinations to create a set of words, terms and ideas limited to the 7 Yoruba vowels a,e,e,i,o,o,u. Sorry I could not put diacritics where they belong, I do not have Yoruba keyboard installed on this phone.

Share with us what you come up with.
Thanks.


I want to add that in case the root YRB is not cooperating with you, use IRB instead.

Y and I in Yoruba are interchangeable if used broadly, ignoring the standard Yoruba dictum.

baba,

Aku aseku odun o.

I want to suggest that if you can add syllabic approach to your linguistic worktool, you may be surprise at the vault of secrets that you will uncover, based on your quintessential linguistic genius. Why I say this is because we are at the same corridor, you me and peterkbaba, and the secret is not too far to find. Peterkbaba finds it easy to deviate, so he is not playing by any rule, he is not targeting the bull eye.

Meta, you are doing just that, but please incorporate "syllabic-syntax" in the process as you used to do in the past. For instance Yoruba is apparent in that approach: Yo-ru-ba, no more, no less. If you reduce it to consonants, it is not going to give us any sound, and don't forget that even alphabets are syllables in pronunciation, they are not pronounced as one word, most times.

It is this syllables that will form the meaning of the word, and afterwards, we need to verify if what we have really exist in another pristine form, so we look for another word with similar meaning and compare the contrast. One stands as archetype and the other, feedback. I'm dedicating this piece to you my metaphysical, the undying spirit. I respect you a lot my pal. So I give it up to you now.

Yoruba, as far as I'm concern mean Yo (bright) Ru (night) Ba (Ruler).
Put more aptly, Yoruba means the light that rule the night.

Well, my definition.
Christmas gift, friends.

Zeemoor:
Hope it's not too late to wish you a merry christmas, my sweet lil precious?

Its precious at any time of the year as long as its coming from you my dove.

This is the kind of time I love most in life. I was there 14 years ago, I have only pen and paper and library some miles away, I began to write, just writing, on and on against politicians and the ill of the society and how to correct them. One day, I wrote one that I want to send to punch and took it to computer centre for typing. I love the output and kept writing like a madman. I met two people along the line, writing has made them deluded. I felt so sorry for them and thanked God I scape through. I went to sch. at this low time, but love 4 music & writing presavd me. Now, I can never be depressed, I can cry if i'm troubled, but the next stupid idea will fire my energy level to heights, and I can never run out of such good/bad ideas ever. Finally, I admire my life experiences so much and laugh at my errors. I love myself and any good fellow. I have fail and rise over and over, till now.

Medunah:
lobbish list

Or lobbish rist.

My point is that it is often outsiders that
see the similarities among different groups
and give them or solidify their common
identity. The Anglo Saxons were given that
name by a visiting Bishop who thought
they behaved like angels. Ethiopeans were named such by the Greeks, Ethiopia
meaning 'region of the burnt faces'
because of their darker skin complexion to
the greeks. The ancient kingdom of Ghana
was named Ghana by the Arab writers who
applied the title of the kingdom's ruler to the entire people. Everywhere, if you
make your research, this is often the case.
Just like the Op did not name himself.

I am strong, couldnt do much now, your post is very insightful brother. May God bless we all.