woye77:

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord." Ephesians 5:22 - that's what the bible says but it seems nowadays the world is changing and the whole world is changing. Ladies are becoming westernised and are finding it increasingly hard to submit to their partners. Why is this so? is submission still relevant in modern day climate? Guys what are your views on this?

mdfishers:

Simple as the nose on the face. Couples don't marry for real love but lust. lust for money, beauty, one vanity to another. If we marry our friends there will be mutual respect, trust and co operation then love will bud. It is not the in place of the man only, to love nor of the woman only, to submit. Good luck!!!

netotse:

i think a lot of men spend too much time complaining about how women dont submit, and too little time working on themselves so they develop into a man that is worthy of such 'submission' in my opinion we men have a lot of growing up to do


P.S. i'm not ready to argue this seeing as i haven't reached the stage of having a woman submit to me, but one thing i'm darned sure about is that if i want a woman to submit to me then it should be because i deserve it, enough with all this why cant. . .cos the bible. . .

bawomolo:

i don't see any reason why a lady should submit. marriage is an equal partnership IMO

kokoye:

Pray you marry the right lady, be responsible and let her see that you truly care about your family.

See if she will be submissive or not.

netotse:

i think a lot of men spend too much time complaining about how women dont submit, and too little time working on themselves so they develop into a man that is worthy of such 'submission' in my opinion we men have a lot of growing up to do

P.S. i'm not ready to argue this seeing as i haven't reached the stage of having a woman submit to me, but one thing i'm darned sure about is that if i want a woman to submit to me then it should be because i deserve it, enough with all this why cant. . .cos the bible. . .

stillwater:

End of thread.

sleekymag:

Ther's no end to the tread, cos we all know no one is perfect. Even relationships with zero quarrels and fights are never perfect. Compromise is usually reached at some point. I noticed that it's actually the women who have always had this independent approach to life, or those that have had history of single parenting as kids, or those whose parents used to fight each other, that usually resorts to this, just to assert their importance. If only women would learn to be meek,, marriage would be so blissful.

stillwater:

A lot of abused women as Sisikill pointed out obey their husbands to the fullest, would you call that a blissful marriage?
I hope you are a christian.
Humility is one of the fruits of the spirit. The bible does not specify that only women be meek. In fact it says 'Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth'. Christians are made to strive towards meekness, it's not gender specific.
I know some women take the submissive thing out of contest to make it sound like a master-slave relationship.
I don't believe in that and do not align myself to that analogy. Two captains cannot rule a ship.

bawomolo:

i don't see any reason why a lady should submit. marriage is an equal partnership IMO

sleekymag:

Basically, the point is when the foundation isn't right, you can't get the best results.Most of such women knew the kind of husband they were marrying but decided to overlook it during courtship.

Yes, I'm a christian,and a very good one at that. Meekness is not gender-specific like you rightly mentioned, but the mandate of the woman in the scriptures is to submit only meek womencan submit to their husbands. Men, on the other hand are mandated to love their wives as Christ loved the church.

eldee:

Seriously, no one wants a slave for a wife.
It's really boring . . . besides, your children grow up thinking of women as inferior beings.

Mutual respect works perfectly. You use it with all the women at work and outside, why must your wife be different??

stillwater:

You really need to specify what submission entails on your part, this one you are laying too much emphasis on it.

It sounds more like "you must submit to me, if you don't I'll kill you."

sleekymag:

No---not at all. Maybe i'm talking from my own experiences. Lets say i've been in a relationship for over four years, we're in courtship currently, and she's this beautiful, intelligent and classy girl. A 1st class graduate, things moving smooth for her, (same with me too), But she's always had this independent outlook to life, Hardly takes advice (likes doing what'son her mind), am older and more experienced so of course i tell her things to beware of but she thinks am being too protective, often times it turns out i'm right, and i'm usually pissed. Everything about the relationship is perfect except for the one fact (d submissive factor). Sometimes i just wish she'd just shut her mouth while i'm talking, not that i'm saying one and she's saying five, see what i mean?

sleekymag:

No---not at all. Maybe i'm talking from my own experiences. Lets say i've been in a relationship for over four years, we're in courtship currently,  and she's this beautiful, intelligent and classy girl. A 1st class graduate, things moving smooth for her, (same with me too), But she's always had this independent outlook to life, Hardly takes advice (likes doing what'son her mind), am older and more experienced so of course i tell her things to beware of but she thinks am being too protective, often times it turns out i'm right, and i'm usually pissed. Everything about the relationship is perfect except for the one fact (d submissive factor). Sometimes i just wish she'd just shut her mouth while i'm talking, not that i'm saying one and she's saying five, see what i mean?

michelin89:

Supposed you are dating an older woman, would you also shut up while she is talking?

michelin89:

Supposed you are dating an older woman, would you also shut up while she is talking?

eldee:

Then your problem is communication not submission.
Believe me, if you give anyone a sensible reason to do sumn, he/she will.

sleekymag:

The man is always supposed to be the head, age notwithstanding,

sleekymag:

No---not at all. Maybe i'm talking from my own experiences. Lets say i've been in a relationship for over four years, we're in courtship currently,  and she's this beautiful, intelligent and classy girl. A 1st class graduate, things moving smooth for her, (same with me too), But she's always had this independent outlook to life, Hardly takes advice (likes doing what'son her mind), am older and more experienced [/b]so of course i tell her things to beware of but she thinks am being too protective, often times it turns out i'm right, and i'm usually pissed. Everything about the relationship is perfect except for the one fact [b](d submissive factor). Sometimes i just wish she'd just shut her mouth while i'm talking, not that i'm saying one and she's saying five, see what i mean?