"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord." Ephesians 5:22 - that's what the bible says but it seems nowadays the world is changing and the whole world is changing. Ladies are becoming westernised and are finding it increasingly hard to submit to their partners. Why is this so? is submission still relevant in modern day climate? Guys what are your views on this?

v22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

v28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
v31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
v32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
v33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband

Wrex:

men should love their wives and wives should obey their husbands,

Bisijohn:

Women find it difficult generally to submit because of pride. A woman that earns more than the husband will find hard to submit. Educational advantaged women also will not want to obey easily. Submission gives birth to Love. It comes before before Love. Every woman has this singular role to play-Submission, which makes the heart of the husband to be endeared to her. The advice to women generally is that they should exhibit total submission to their husband at all times and husbands as well should totally love their wives. For any marriage to work out, it must be 40-60 level of tolerance, if it is 50-50, it won't last.

Hmmm,  This topic is a volatile one but i will say my bit.
1st - I strongly believe that irrespective of behaviour, financial and social status of the husbands, wives SHOULD totally submit to their husbands.
It might sound old fashioned but that is the secret of the success of marriages in the older days. Today a wife will leave the house for a party and the
husband is not aware, it is wrong. Without being biblical or over traditional i beleive that the head of the family is the man and he should be accorded all the respect and total submission.

2nd- I also know for a fact that the moment a woman submits totally to her husband she earns his respect a 100% and also wins his heart

3rd - Men should learn not to take their wife's submission as a sign of stupidity or weakness but as a recognition of their position as the head f the family and they should strive to ensure three things basically.
- Provide for the needs of their family
- Love and respect their wives
- Ensure that they preserve the marriage at all costs .


I hope i have spoken well

rphlogbe:

Please be objective in your aguement. Thanks.

mama-gee:

Why should women be submissive when men cheat on them?

chic2pimp:

NL and controversial topics. Una sabi sha

omgggggg, Happy new year

FL Gators:

omgggggg, Happy new year

harakiri:

@Topic

Let's throw the bible and any other religious sect books away for a while.All these "equal rights" and "submissive" debate won't get anyone anywhere.Life is about balance.Submissiveness means different things to various folks.To some, it means a woman being dutiful and respectful wife. . .to others, it means the woman has to be a doormat.I believe in the former.

That being said, the male in all respects is dominant in nature (this includes humans,animals and insects). The female is programmed to be submissive in nature (includes animals,insects and majority of women with the exception of feminists ) I've read a lot of ladies on here being negative about being submissive to their men and all that. . .and a few are "proud" lesbians (which isn't surprising though). The thing is, life is all about balance. A family is like a ship and two captains cannot commandeer a ship.It will capsize.Being submissive doesn't mean you have to prostrate every morning to him in salutation or you have to wash his car every morning. . .NO! It means being a loyal,dutiful and respectful wife.[b]Trust me, nothing makes a man more defenseless than a submissive wife. I'm not married yet (although engaged) and this girl can make me do the most outrageous things just because she is loyal and submissive.[/b]Even my family and friends think i am under a "voodoo" spell or something.

[b]NO MAN will cope with another "man" in the house. It's impossible. To those women who have turned lesbian/feminazi, i just feel sorry for you coz what you are involved in is completely unnatural.At some point in life, you will grow tired of the new found habit and when that happens, all your friends/mates would have been past the prime of having kids. . all your lesbian lovers would have turned a new leaf and married husbands. . .and you would be left in the cold, alone,ridiculed and dejected at 50 years of age.[/b]If you doubt me, ask Ellen Degeneres. . .her "girlfriend" came to her senses and married.

Being submissive doesn't mean you have to be a doormat.I do agree that there are some abusive and immature men but there are good men who marry crazy wifes who are submissive at first, then after marriage, they bring in the "equal" drama and the cookie crumbles.

The female is programmed to be submissive in nature (includes animals,insects and majority of women with the exception of feminists )

sugabelly:


That being said, the male in all respects is dominant in nature (this includes humans,animals and insects).

Obviously except for intelligence,

The female is programmed to be submissive in nature (includes animals,insects and majority of women with the exception of feminists )

Right, so all those spiders and other creatures that eat the males after having sex with them,

Trust me, nothing makes a man more defenseless than a submissive wife. I'm not married yet (although engaged) and this girl can make me do the most outrageous things just because she is loyal and submissive.

This is a lie. A man is never more vulnerable than when a woman is kneeling before him with his d ick in her mouth. All she needs is one well-executed CHOMP!!

NO MAN will cope with another "man" in the house. It's impossible. To those women who have turned lesbian/feminazi, i just feel sorry for you coz what you are involved in is completely unnatural

Being independent, intelligent, and self-respecting does  not make a woman a man. And you can save your pity. Men that think like you get exactly what you want: brainless, character-less, spineless submissive women that follow you around like a little dog and bark on command

At some point in life, you will grow tired of the new found habit and when that happens, all your friends/mates would have been past the prime of having kids. . all your lesbian lovers would have turned a new leaf and married husbands. . .and you would be left in the cold, alone,ridiculed and dejected at 50 years of age.

Men, especially silly men like harakiri come up with the daftest excuses to justify their primordial behaviour. When will you silly men get it into your thick skulls that women don't want gorillas that lumber about and order them around or try to suppress them like brutes WE DON'T WANT YOU. And we (at least I) are not desperate so we will not beg you. There are 6 billion people in the world and for every submission obsessed slowpoke on this forum there are TWO intelligent men out there who are caring, empathic, and handsome-as-f uck to boot!!! There is no shame in having standards and I'm sorry but you are hopelessly below standard. Only deadbeat labourers shacked up on ogogoro go about screaming about wanting submissive women because they are desperate to feel more important about themselves. It's the same principle with bullies. Bullies torment other people because they are insecure about themselves. End of.

And saying women are lesbians just because we know what we want and are not afraid to discriminate to get it is the stupidest thing in the world.  It also means that you have nothing better to say. All your arguments about nature justifying the dominance of men are bullshit. Without the female animals of this world, all the males would DIE. You hear me? DIE! DROP DEAD. Without Lionesses, Lions would STARVE. Many female insects are much bigger than the males, and in mammals it is well known that most female animals are ten times more vicious and far more dangerous than any male animal could ever hope to be. So shelve the argument okay honey? Cave men like you are NOT what women want. Sorry, but until you're ready to change, you can have your mindless robot of a girlfriend.

And as a last word, "lesbian" is not an insult, and it is insulting to real lesbians to imply that lesbianism is simply a faddish habit. You should not mock people's sexuality. Many lesbians have very serious relationships that are far more fulfilling than most of the relationships that women have with men. Besides, if they were not constrained by social and religious conditioning, most women would probably be at least bisexual.

Goodness knows that other women give far better head than you pathetic lot.

chiogo:

Anyway na una sabi. The ignorance never ends.