₦airaland Forum

tpaine:
Patent Rubbish. No evidence of Ishamael and a large scale migration from Middle East to Tropical Africa. On the other hand there is genetic evidence that humans migrated from sub-saharan Africa and Southern Africa to populate the earth.

you're pretence at scholarship is pathetic. Did you know that Arabs are the direct descendants of Ishmael?
Go study about the arab invasion of north africa . . . and while u're at it please look into the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians. I'm sure history, hieroglyphics and anthropological evidence will show you they were in no way caucasoid but nubian.

samba123:
4 him
wow, can you question your God and asked him 2700 year back probe it to me , Liar, you can't question God by our own philosophy, ?

Everytime we ask you a simple question you hide behind the fraud about not being able to "question" your idol of a god.
The same people turn around accusing the bible of contradictions without even bothering whether we can ask our own God questions or not.

Bro, this is not a problem of ur god knowing the answers alone . . . it is a big question mark and a peep through the many many lies moh'ammed told in order to sell his religion to gullible people like you.

[size=15pt]If indeed Ishmael was the covenant child of your god . . . why is the qur'an completely silent on him for 2600yrs?[/size]

Could it be because the bible is also silent on him too for exactly that period of time? Why is the qur'an full of the stories of biblical characters from the lineage of Isaac the second son?

samba123:
@4Him
I can't answer your question its beyond my knowledge to Question Almighty God

good, dont let me see you hypocrite coming here to ask about biblical "contradictions" EVER AGAIN if you cant even answer the simplest question about ur own fraud of a book.

samba123:
but I see the progress of SAUDI ARABIA THEY'RE BLESSED BY THIS NATURAL OIL. mybe the Arab people are decendant of Ismael.

Rubbish. Nigeria is blessed with oil too, are we descendants of Ishmael?

samba123:
Why did all the prophets (except for The Great Prophet) come from the line of Isaac?
well, its beyond my capacity to question God, maybe one of the best example they disregard the teaching of Jesus(as) and rejected as a prophet.

Did the descendants of Ishmael reject the "prophets"? Why did they have not one single prophet for 2600 yrs?

I quote from the main text . . .

It says primary pupils as young as four should be familiarised with the idea of same-sex couples to help combat homophobic attitudes.
Teachers should attempt to avoid assumptions that pupils will have a conventional family background, it urges.

- Why should a child as young as 4 be indoctrinated AGAINST HIS WILL about homosexuality? Do we teach 4 yr olds about heterosexual sex and condoms?

It goes on to suggest the word "parents" may be more appropriate than "mum and dad", particularly in letters and emails to the child's home.

- First the term "Jesus Christ" has been banned from our schools in the name of "teaching tolerance" . . . the word "God" is no longer acceptable in our classrooms . . . pretty soon "mom and dad" will become an endangered word. This is obviously what Bawomolo assumes is merely "encouraging".

Teachers should avoid telling boys to "be a man" or accuse them of behaving like a "bunch of women".

- What next? We should start buying dolls for our boys and teaching them to make their hair and polish their nails?

"It might be time-consuming at first, but a consistent 'zero-tolerance' approach to such language is central to achieving progress and an environment in which being gay is not thought of as being inferior."

- Sounds more like a language of force thinly veiled as a "suggestion".

Teachers should use every curriculum subject to nip discriminatory attitudes in the bud.

- Including language and science classes? Where these not the same people who kicked all talk of the bible out of our classrooms?

These same people who stopped our 4yr olds from having the priviledge to pray in class now want us to endure them sitting through ours of sexual indoctrination in the name of "tolerance"?

bawomolo:
we share the same genetic traits with them, see bonobo's.

All humans share 99% of their DNA despite us having glaringly different characteristics.
What part of our DNA we share with lower animals is extremely low.

bawomolo:
homosexuality isn't been taught, just acknowledged

No, its being reinforced by cleverly targetting very young children who have not formed an opinion of the world around them just yet.

bawomolo:

Summary: Teachers should not assume that their pupils have a "mum and dad" under guidance aimed at tackling anti-gay bullying in schools.

it's to curb bullying and violence. were u attacked in school for being christian?? no one would suspend u for screaming i am a Christian

they are not teaching homosexuality just accepting gay parents exist. big difference

you and i know that is a bald-faced lie. Do 4yr olds even know what it means to be a bully or a homosexual?
Can 4yr olds understand heterosexual sex?

bawomolo:
human are higher animals, u are closely related to many of them.

If humans are "higher" animals then why are we so eager to go back to the depraved depths of "lower" animals?

bawomolo:
creationism was shown not to be a science. enroll your kid in a missionary school if u want them to be taught that kind of stuff

Is homosexuality a science? Enrol your kid in a school for animals if you want them to be taught that stuff.

bawomolo:
hmm, u can enroll your kid in a world religions class. science is separate from religion. you are an animal by the way

Why is homosexuality being reinforced in school then? You'd assume such nonsense would only be reserved for classes on sex education eh?

tpaine, it might interest you to note that the Egyptians that Ezekiel was talking about are not the arabs who parade themselves as Egyptians today.
Maybe you should start your research from that basic fact eh.

bawomolo:
it's not abnormal, it happens all across the animal spectrum, it is natural. homosexuality happens between consenting adults, while crime affects u.

Since when did we become animals? When will they start teaching tolerance of those who eat grass since animals also do so?

bawomolo:
no they are teaching tolerance and acceptance. if u hate western madness so much, why don't u move to nigeria where the country is more messed up. homophobia is disgusting.

What a fraud. The same people who ban the freedom to wear your religious insignia, the same hypocrites who wont let our children learn creationism in school, the same people who banned our children from being able to say the simple Lord's prayer every morning in school claiming it is brainwashing the children are now teaching "tolerance and acceptance" of homosexuality?

More like pushing it down our throats. If my child cant be taught about God in his elementary class neither should he be forced to accept living like an animal.

Dranoel, your analogy falls flat in the face of REAL facts of history and not the distorted propaganda diet you all have been fed through the media.
History clearly tells us that Jews were the majority ethnic group in the present land of Israel which is a mere 15% of the 1900 mandate of Palestine.

Arabs invaded Jerusalem in 638 AD and were driven out permanently in 1099 AD. The Ottoman turks who eventually took over that land were and have never been Arabs . . . care to ask them if they want their land bank?

homosexuality is abnormal . . . gradually we are begining to push the queer orientation of a few demented individuals as "normal" . . . God help us.

Breathe

(the version by Mitchell Jones)

This is the air I breathe
This is the air I breathe
Your holy presence living in me

This is my daily bread
This is my daily bread
Your very word spoken to me

And I I'm desperate for you
And I I'm I'm lost without you

This is the air I breathe
This is the air I breathe
Your holy presence living in me

This is my daily bread
this is my daily bread
your very word spoken to me

And I'm, I'm desperate for you
And I'm, I'm lost without you

And I'm desperate for you
And I'm, I'm lost without you.

I'm lost without you.

I'm lost without you.

I'm desperate for you.

I'm desperate for you,

I'm lost, I'm lost, I'm lost without you,
I'm lost without you

I'm desperate for you

spoilt:
abeg which one be great one?

PHBABE:
yea, anyone, please wats great one?

ifyalways:
whats the great religion

Thanks to an indirect threat to the life of our dear admin as a result of which he has suddenly discovered a "deep respect" for Is'lam . . .

Mus'lim now translates to "great one"
Is'lam translates to "the great religion".

and armed robbers, MEND, the corrupt Nigerian police all take their murderous inclinations from which religion?

You mean to claim that if there were no religion we'd all be living in perfect peace?

Stupid people need a reality check.

MC Usman:
Why use the old testament when you initially requested fact from the new test.

Maybe you need glasses, corinthians is from the new testament after the book of Romans.

MC Usman:
The verse did not any humanly language Cleary state that polygamy is a sin.

That is being economical with the truth.

MC Usman:
Polygamy is a sin in Christianity today because the west culture and tradition does not support it.

No, it is a sin because the bible expressly says so.

MC Usman:
And I am telling in the next 3 -4 generation to come gay marriage & same sex marrauge would have been incorporated into Christendom.

Impossible. The bible in the book of corinthians clearly condemns same sex marriage.

Where is this agricultural sector in the north?

JosBoy4Lif:
Nigerians need to understand that we are in the agricultural state of development. The day that we can adequately feed all Nigerians we will be able to move forward.

We have been in this phase for how long?
When will we be able to adequately feed all nigerians? When oil is selling for $108/barrel and we still cant find 3-square meals, is it when oil becomes $2/barrel that we'd be able to afford to feed the nation?

What are we even doing to get past ur agricultural state of dev?

I don tire . . . . there is just one solution, get ur family out of that hole called nigeria.
Another failed state goes down the drain.

4 Play:
The usual medicine-deregulation,privatisation,e.t.c

My view is that as long as we have the North,we can never achieve our full potential.All this talk of shifting spending around from one region to the other won't change anything

We have tried ur medicine and it has only met with limited success. I think pretty much every one is with you on the fact that with the north there is very little hope of going forward.

4 Play . . . u are right. But oil should have been a catalyst for our development and not the curse it is today.
What the Niger Delta is agitating for is not even 100% control of their resources but 50%.

The idea is to engender some form of competition to drive economic growth. We literarily have no economy right now . . . if oil prices crash to $30/barrel today we'd be in serious trouble.
We have oil and we cant refine a drop! Shame on us . . . we are too busy arguing about sharing the proceeds with no thought for using this extra cash to develop other viable sources of income.

Kobojunkie:
1) the FG holding the purse strings when it comes to Lagos state - I fail to understand how you still hold this view if you actually grew up in that state. I did and one thing I know is the government in that state wields a lot of power and is able to raise funds it if wants to, for projects, without needing the Federal government to step in as messiah at all.

Pls read the Land use act decree of 1979.

Kobojunkie:
2) The Mallams can cry all they want but that does not mean the banks have to do as they are told. Banks as companies have a right to say NO and refuse to move or even accept to close down shop instead. I do not buy into that conpiracy, the mallams are against us ideology. I lived in that state most of my life and I know without a doubt that come hell or high water, if a governor decides to change things in that one state alone, he can do it, even if the rest of the country is on fire.

Sorry, the banks remain under the control of the FG. If they shut them down tomorrow we can only sit on our hands and weep until our tear sacs dry up.

Kobojunkie:
3) Things are not complex at all. Things are simple and like running any business, you run into walls and what determines how successful a venture is, is how strong that venture remains and is willing to fight hard to exist and thrive in an environment like we have in Nigeria right now. The Federal government can deny the state setting up it's own power plant but it can not deny private companies doing that with a go from the state and the people. It is not possible. And I still say we have to look at the model we have today and take advantage of what it offers us right now to change things.

What private company is willing to work in an environment were government policies are as unstable as water?

Development is not wholly driven by natural resources . . . that is why Africa is lagging behind the Asian economies. These people used the advantage of cheap labour to woo all these western industries to set up billion dollar investments. Look at your ipod, its probably built and shipped from China, look at ur underwear . . . maybe Pakistan.

Why cant we have a branch of Microsoft here? Michelin tyres just packed up in PH . . . why arent major car companies here? We have the cheap labour that these people need, just 3 of these multinationals in a single state like Kebbi is enough to ensure they can comfortably survive without a penny from oil resoures.

Why cant we have large scale agriculture subsidised by crude oil resources from the FG? We'd be self sufficient in terms of food and even have enough to export.
2 well maintained seaports in Lagos serving as the central hub of all shipping in the west African region is enough to keep Lagos afloat without oil.
This is how nations without oil are surviving, we can do the same if only we take the pains to look beyond our selfish desires to amass ill-gotten wealth ably fed by free oil cash disbursed with no recourse to accountability.

Let our governors start doing something to generate their own funds . . . we'd have less incentive to rig elections as only those willing to work and not just wait for allocations would put themselves up for elections.

Kobo, do you need some time to go back to Nigeria and see things for urself?
As long as the FG holds the purse strings Lagos cannot just wake up tomorrow and choose to build a subway system when the governor of Kebbi state demands "federal presence" too.

Ordinary banking reforms we already have mallams crying about the economy being in the hands of the south and demanding a reversal of such reforms.

Things are a lot more complex than you think. That is why i continue to cry that we wont develop until we achieve some form of autonomy. We cant build ordinary power stations because we have to think of citing according to geopolitical zones. Wahala dey o.

4 Play:
I agree that as matter of fairness,oil producing regions should enjoy more of their resources.However,if someone is saying that it will make much positive impacts on their lives,that is demonstrably false.

If you are saying that it will lessen dependence on oil,that is clearly untrue.

true . . . but isnt it about time we started to diversify the economy?
Our budgets are entirely drawn around the price of crude oil. The most important item on every government official's daily list is to check on current oil prices so as to calculate monthly allocation that will accrue to him.
Our governors are forever quarelling with the FG NOT on matters that affect the people but on how to "share" excess crude funds . . . haba!

Why is a state like Zamfara declaring sharia and then demanding oil funds to pay for an illegal state religious structure that is opposed by the vast majority?

4 Play:
See what happens.If you take Anambra and the FCT.The FCT's economy is much larger than that of Anambra(there is really little basis for comparison)but are FCT indigenes better off than Anambra indigenes?No. If you spend money in one particular place unlike others,more enterprising people from other regions will simply move and dilute the gains for the locals.

Does the FCT have an economy? The presence of fancy buildings is not a sign of development . . .
What we have is not an economy perse but a money distribution system.

4 Play . . . what did we use to build all the structures we had prior to 1966?
We didnt have any oil and each region was forced to fend for itself and we did it quite well. The south was generating close to 3m pounds a yr without a drop of oil by the 50s . . . why cant we do the same?
Japan has not a drop of oil, suffered 2 atomic bombs in 1945 and YET are the world's second largest economy . . . haba!

I'm not advocating a unilateral withdrawal of government funding . . . like Doyin13 suggests let us start by slowly reducing the amount of allocation over a 5-10yr period . . . until each region (those states are a drain on our scarce resources) becomes fairly self sufficient.
Competition is what drives development . . . sitting down waiting for monthly allocations while doing nothing is  the reason our politics is so monetised today . . .

Kobojunkie:
Now, you go ahead and tell me what TINUBU did to make sure he got the funding he believed the people deserved. Did He fight for them even after the back lash or did he quit like many before him have?? Did he fight to even get that land back from Federal hands since the federal government was not doing it's job effectively Or did he even try to generate funds to help do the job?? Come on , We have a DEMOCRACY and the only way we can insure it works is if we fight to make that the case. Waiting for it to be handed us on a platter of gold is what I am sick and tired of watching people do.

o boy leave story . . . we dont run a democracy. What did u expect Tinubu to do? The same Obasanjo govt withheld allocations to Lagos for ages . . . the courts declared it illegal and YET what happened?
Lagos sourced funds to develop an independent power project . . . it was frustrated by the fat cats in the north who are too obsessed with the idea of "federal presence" and "quota system".

You can only fight what u know u can defeat. If you cant beat the skewed system there's no point trying.

Kobojunkie:
Here is the problem I have here. In nigeria it so happens that most businesses already have the ability and legal stance of being able to set up shop and run their businesses as long as they have a customer base to deal with. In this case, what stops, say a company from making deals with LGA's to supply them with energy using resources local to that particular LGA?? I mean does the federal government have a right to come in to say NO in a democracy where the government is supposed to be for the people, by the people?? If the peoplel vote, say 70% for such an establishment, can the federal government come in and say NO to it still?? Can the people not push their case against the Federal government up to the supreme court and even international if they can

you're assuming we're running a democracy.
When Tinubu voted to get something done about the Lagos bar beach there were not a few at the federal house of assembly who kicked against it claiming the bar beach was federal government property!
Of course nothing was done and the poor residents of VI continue to suffer from severe flooding.

4 Play:
To improve living standards significantly,you have to improve it across the nation.You can't isolate one region within a country and seek to improve its living standard without bothering much about the rest.

The issue is not developing one area to the detriment of the other.
Oil will run out in 40yrs . . . are we preparing for that event or what resource will become the new goose that lays the golden eggs?
For how long are our governors going to remain nothing more than caretakers going to abuja every month to beg for "allocations"?
Pretty much nothing goes on in terms of governance at the grassroots level, local governments only exist in name . . . all they do there is share money to government cronies and everyone goes home.

In 40yrs time there wont be money left to "share" . . . what will we do then?

I am less worried about who gets what money . . . i'm more interested in how to develop a system where indolence is no longer rewarded in the name of "federal allocations".

Kobojunkie:
What we have right now with America is not what we currently have in Nigeria and we should not rush to get there now but at least make sure we deal wisely in this. Like I have been saying all this while. Deciding to send the money down to these people should not be our priority at this time.

Read our history, we were once there.

bawomolo:
the federal allocation system is here to stay until nigerian states can show some autonomy. besides lagos, many of them can't do this. the nigerian economy isn't diversified enough for the FG to lose control of it's oil revenue.

To start with they where not created for autonomy but as parasites forever dependent on the FG. The old western region was more than sufficient . . . why split it into 6 unviable states if not for the purpose of corruption and to weaken any chance of seccession?

There was no oil boom prior to 1966, how did we survive? When we had no oil our currency was stronger, we had free education, affordable health, jobs and a high standard of living . . . what happened after oil came into the picture?

Where we not once the world's largest producer of palm oil? where is the cocoa and groundnut industries?

EXPONENT:
We BUILT this country!

stop decieving urself . . . yes you "built" this country as slaves doing the bidding of ur white masters.
How many of you fellow "builders" have ruled the US?
But for affirmative action how many of you "builders" would be in America's top schools?

Oh wait . . . when did you "builders" get the right to vote? 40yrs ago? I hear ithat right is about to expire . . . do something about it buddy