₦airaland Forum

bawomolo:
the US wasn't founded on christian principles, it was founded on secular principles. Christian conservatives from the 70's are the one spreading that theory of yours. so why do u think atheist countries have less violence and crime??

It was founded by devout christians who recognised the wisdom in separating church and state.

Very possible . . . its a matter of being disciplined.

The funny thing is most of the countries you name were founded on christian principles - The US and much of western Europe.

The whites were so united they virtually decimated Germany in 1945.
The whites are so united that USSR and the USA were in a cold war for decades that is still smouldering . . .

It has nothing to do with "unity" but a willingness to succeed.

maybe witches plucked the plane out of the sky.

Its the Nigerian Missing Aircraft Syndrome.

Jos, the white man cant be anymore united than the Arabs . . . are the arabs any better than us minus their oil?

That is very true . . . but a man who wants to embark on a journey to an unknown country is wise if he gets as much information from those who have made the journey and back.

JosBoy4Lif:
Their are more African Americans in jail than their are in colleges.
Future doctors, accountants, and other great minds are locked up and get botched up in the systematic racism of the north american society.

They did a study with a group of black children
showed them a black barbie and a white barbie asked the which one was more attractive
they chose the white barbie, barbie had the exact same futures but except for colour.

Society continually tells us to be black is rubbish and dirty
stigmatization of many black folks occurs, Africa is lacking unity therefore its woes will continue! (you remember the Hutu's and Tutsi's, masterminded by the Belgium gonernment?)

Josboy, is all this the fault of the white man? Is he locking up people based on skin color or on the basis of retribution as clearly spelled out under the law?
Yes black children pick white barbie dolls . . . is that the fault of the white man? If he makes a white barbie for his daughter are u forced to go buy it? why dont u make a black one for ur own daughter?

Society says black is rubbish - unfortunately we have also bought into this stereotype . . . what with the number of people using bleaching creams, our inherent predilection for blacks with fairer skin, the rage to use fake horse hair to the detriment of our local hairstyles . . . is this all the white man's fault?

Africa lacks unity - its not as if the whites are any more united than we are.

Well those of us who are single may as well stay and learn a few tricks

almondjoy:
Depends on what I have at stake at the time of the revelation. Does not call for any "quick" decision. It is a marriage. . . .you do not just up and leave. You have to plan the perfect "getaway" which might involve 20-100 steps.

It definitely calls for a serious evaluation of that marriage. To stay or leave depends on a lot of things. Different strokes for different folks.

were are all those unmarried females?

JosBoy4Lif:
And why do we continue to feed these stereotypes?

The average white man thinks blacks are intellectually inferior, do we help dispell this "myth" when a large percentage of black teens in America will drop out of school, 30% of black males are in jail and Africa remains a hellhole?
Still wondering what feeds these stereotypes?

u want to join us to worship a "non-existent pixie in the sky"?
You're better off grabbing a science textbook and reading about evolution.

blue-sky:
what is a mallam?

is'lamic scholar.

JosBoy4Lif:
Now why would you cross the street, mallams are more trusted then nyameri business men! Those are who I run from ooo, let alone just walk across the street. LMAO, Am I being racist?

No you're not being racist. Stereotypes are what feed our prejudice . . the stereotype that the typical mallam is a blood-thirsty scoundrel seeking to plunge his well concealed knife into ur throat at the first sound of allahu akbar.

blue-sky:
1) a lot of black people are theives, so i will cross the road when i see a black person.
2) a lot of men in parks are pedophiles, so i will not allow my child to play in park, rather stay at home.

A little stereotype isnt bad. When i'm in the north i cross to the other side of the street when i come anywhere close to a market full of mallams.
Am i being racist?

tpaine:
Tell me what the following verses say;

Matt 5: 29- 32

Mark 9:47

2 Corin 6:14

1 tim 2: 9-15

Goodnite

I cant stand 2-faced creeps. Start from responding to my earlier rebuttal. Good nite.

Josboy . . . it is a form of prejudice when you make a conscious choice to marry only from a certain tribe, or a certain height of women or a certain shade of color . . .
To that extent prejudice is good.

tpaine:
the diversity and contradiction within xianity leaves my gasping . everyone is right depending on how you look at any issue.

what leaves me sickened is how you suddenly lost ur voice as soon as ur own deciet and half-baked scholarship was exposed by the very same book of matthew. There is no contradiction in the bible . . . Justcool simply needs to go read his bible very well.

tpaine:
if you want to pluck out your eyes, you have support in the bible

If you also want to blaspheme the bible, you have plenty of ammunition by misquoting, misrepresenting and distorting that same bible.

tpaine:
if you want to pick up poisonous snakes, you havr support in the bible,

Only foolish people will go pick up snakes and claim the bible told them to do so.

tpaine:
if you want to keep slaves, you have support in the bible,

The early disciples owned no slaves.

tpaine:
if you want to "put a woman in her place", you have support in the bible.

Funny enough the very same bible frankly frowns at divorce, has a zero policy on fornication and adultery and CLEARLY advocates love, trust, forgiveness, self sacrifice as bedrocks of the marital institution . . . of course hypocrites like you NEVER see that.

tpaine:
if you want to never go into the house of unbelievers, you have support in the bible.

No you dont. Christ ate with sinners, sat with publicans, prayed with an adulterous woman, forgave the theif on the cross . . . its all in the bible wooden head.

Kobojunkie:
But the same power can be applied with any other form of prejudice. So in essence racism or any other form of prejudice is not the problem, right?? The problem would be according power to a form of prejudice. I can have a racist neighbour we live with no problem for 20 years and that is acceptable. But the minute the law of the land decides to give my friend power over me, then the problem is not that my neighbour is racist, cause he has been that way for the 20 years that I have known him but that the law of the land has given him power to exercise his will over me. That power only comes when the law of the land bends in favour of a certain form of prejudice, right

Let me explain . . . assume you have a white neighbour who hates blacks . . . does he have a right to dislike the color of your skin? Absolutely . . . it his right under the 1st amendment to dislike a particular skin color of his choice.
As long as his prejudice does not in any shape or form affect your own existence you have no right to force him to change his views.
That is why the likes of David Duke are free to walk the streets and stormfront.org cannot be shut down by the government.

I reserve the right to distrust my hausa neighbour . . . what becomes unacceptable is when i attempt to deprive him of his own no rights through no fault of his but simply because of my own preconcieved stereotype.

To a certain extent prejudice is good.

Justcool, you need to grab your bible and study it urself.

Kobojunkie:
I am not in anyway refering only to racism in this case but all forms of prejudice. Racism is a form of prejudice and like any other form of predujice when power is added, it becomes a problem but left on it's own, it really should not be. Your example above corroborates this.

You reserve the right to express your power of choice (prejudice) as long as it does not interfere with my own ability to make personal choices.
Racism is a form of prejudice - perfectly true but it is the power behind that prejudice that is the issue here.

@ kobo that's exactly my point.
If i refuse to marry a hausa woman AS A MATTER OF CHOICE that cannot be classified as racism.
It becomes racist when i pass a law prohibiting hausa's from having anything to do with other tribes.

It is not racism to insist that my wife must be educated is it?

tpaine:
The last refuge of the credulous - avoidance.

Not at all. You shld know by now that if i was inclined to answer you i definitely would have. I left a reply on the Africans thread and u have since refused to reply as is usual with hypocrites of ur ilk who like to build a castle on the foundations of ignorance.
Why not reply that first?
Its tough to respond to 50 topics at once u know . . . we dont live on NL.

Same old exhibition of a lack of biblical understanding . . . this time i wont indulge you with a response.

Uche2nna:
I had always cringed with the thot of the white man and the enslavement of blacks due to color until I joined Nairaland. It taught me one thing : Racism is not a preserve of the white man. It is just basal human nature to be like that be them white or black. We are all Nigerians but we are also fighting our own kind of discrimination in the name of tribalism and nepotism. I honestly think that if the tables were reversed and the black man's world was suddenly the most advanced and civilised the story would still remain the same. The only change would be the race which is at the recieving, in this case the white man.

Same here. I remember a white colleague asking me what i thought about racism and i told him blacks were also racist . . . he was surprised.
I think the notion of racism connotes a form of power over the party on the recieving end . . .

I thinks its a little different from what kobojunkie is talking about. The fact that someone chooses not to marry u because u have a flat nose is not racism but simply excercising a power of choice. . . its different from telling me ii have to sit at the back of the bus because u happen to have lighter skin.

@ Kobo, i perfetly understand that prejudice is a part and parcel of the human make up . . . however you must understand that when some talk about racism it is connection with the fact that it connotes an inherent power to negatively influence or deny others certain basic rights based on the misplaced idea of racial superiority.

It is prejudice when you refuse to marry me because i'm yoruba . . . it becomes racism when you deny me my inalienable rights because i dont fit a certain stereotype.

tpaine:
"Do not go among the Gentiles, or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).

Can I rest my case? You see Christianity thrives because a lot of people are ignorant of its tenets, until they have become emotionally involve and can't leave, but rationalise every evil in it with the most bizarre arguments.

Your basic problem is lack of understanding of the scriptures. The bible is not a novel where you can build sand castles on 1 or 2 isolated verses but rather parts of a system that needs to be understood in its entirety.

Look at what the very same Christ said after His death from the very same book of matthew:
Matthew 29:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Was Christ contradicting Himself here? Why restrict the gospel to the house of Israel in Matthew chapt 15 and then ask it to be preached to ALL NATIONS 15 chapters later? Well the key is in the portion i highlighted earlier . . . prior to His death . . . God's covenant with Abraham was restricted to His direct descendants (the children of Israel), after the death and resurection His blood redeemed us and we became a part of Abraham's spiritual descendants . . . the gospel thus became open to the entire world.

tpaine:
As an onmiscient being could he not have picked his words more appropriately? Did he not know that this would he misread in years to come? What would his companions have thought of such sentiments.

Here is what they thought of Him barely the next chapter after Christ's comments to the woman of Syria - Matthew 15: 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

You are free to continue your campaign of blasphemy built on half-truths.

Kobojunkie:
Why not focus the same attention on those who vote for solely on race as well?? I mean why demonize those who vote against him cause of his race but somehow to address those who vote for him cause of his race, which I imagine are of the same ratio

Far be it from me, i'm not demonizing anyone. I was not impressed when Obama won in SC, Bill Clinton was right to declare it wasnt really a test as the voters were largely black. Its sad that in the yr 2008 we still havent gotten past the issue of skin color.

Kobojunkie:
Was ferraro necessarily trying to be racist?? I don't think she was actually. Her questions are valid questions and straight forward. I believe it was meant to make people think more about what we are dealing with here and not supposed to be used the way it was. If you ask me, I would say we have a lot of over sensitive people on both sides who jump at any opportunity they can to play the race card. The media seems to be enjoying this the most.

I am in no way blaming Ferraro for her words. She has a right to her opinion and infact i do agree that she was asking a very valid question . . .

Kobojunkie:
As for racism ever going away, I think that will almost be on same level as asking us to do away with our sense of self. I don't believe we will ever get to that point. I mean even in the animal kingdom, with our supposed ancestors the gorilla, some form of racism does exists and they have been around longer than we have. I believe we need to deal better with understanding the need for people to be racist and accept and respect that need even as we protect ourselves from it anyway we can.

Isnt this a sad commentary on the human race? Even among ourselves some still look down on others for being born on the wrong tribe.

Racism is alive and well . . . we can pretend all we want but there are millions who still deeply regard themselves as superior to those of a different skin hue.

I was reading comments on a the latest Obama speech on the washington wire a couple of minutes ago and it opened my eyes to a clear fact . . . white americans needed the perfect excuse not to vote for Obama while trying to appear non-racist . . . Rev Wright gave them one.

I've seen black people on this thread make derogatory remarks about others whom they percieve as "too dark" and i wonder . . . we even hate our own color too? 

This thread isnt anything to do with Obama's candidacy . . . but i ask candidly - is race still a major factor in our daily lives?
I listened to Michelle Obama and Rev Wright and what i see are people speaking out against an institutionalised form of injustice that a lot of people would prefer to sweep under the carpet.

Ferraro accused Obama of going this far because of his color, i put it to you that Clinton has survived this far simply becaue of her skin color.

When will our generation overcome the cancer of RACISM?

Most Evil - Its been re-runs for a while so i got bored watching it.

FBI Files - Just excellent!

How Its Made - Simply amazing. that was the first time i saw melting metal.

World's Lost Tribe - they make my sunday night. Chief Markus and his pe nis guard.