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bawomolo:
u are right. i engage in other things than challenging theists. why are u scared of defending the bible, isn't your faith strong enough to withstand
Does God sleep?

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Psalm 121:3-4
Behold, He who keeps Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.


Psalm 44:23
Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord?

This actually made me laugh so hard.

babs787:
God said to Abraham:

Genesis 22 v 16; I promise that I will give you as many descendants as there are stars in the sky or grains of sand along the seashore.

One has only to see that the first born son of Abraham, Ishmael; born from Hagar the Egyptian princess and being the father of the Arab Semitic Peoples, truly reflects the fulfillment of this promise.

The seed of Abraham through his first born son Ishmael has indeed multiplied.

On the other hand, the Jews(the Sephardim Jews, not the pseudo Ashkenazim Jews of Europe) or Sephardic Semites have not multiplied in the same way as the Arabs have.

The prophecy was indeed fulfilled in Abraham through Ishmael (who also got a similar promise when he was sent away by Abraham) and Isaac. That the jews are not as many as the arabs does not make the jewish aspect of the prophecy a failure. 1 man to millions is still a multiplication.

babs787:
The Holy Qur’an clearly states that the son of Abraham that was to be sacrificed was Ishmael and not Isaac as is stated in the OT.

we will see later that the qur'an is simply confused.

babs787:
Although the name of Isaac appears in the text of the Bible as the “Sacrificial” child, the Torah, in actuality, confirms that Ishmael was indeed the “Sacrificial” child, if not by name, then by fact.

The torah said no such thing.

babs787:
In the story of the 'Sacrifice', found in Genesis 22:2,

God says to Abraham “…Take now thy son, thine only son…”.

This statement in fact confirms that Ishmael was to be the child sacrificed. At no time was Isaac ever the only son of Abraham, whereas Ishmael was Abraham’s only son for 14 years, so Isaac could not possibly be the child referred to as “thine only son” found in that verse.

That statement confirms nothing but your own duplicity . . . Ishmael was driven out in the previous chapter Genesis 21 . . . so how could he have been he "son" refered to in Genesis 22? As at Gen 22, Isaac was the only son of Abraham still dwelling with his father so which son was God refering to? The one that had long departed into the desert with his mother?

Isnt it funny that this story of the "sacrifice" cant be found in the qur'an?

What is even more puzzling is WHY if Ishmael was the child of promise and the son of sacrifice in Gen 22 did al'ah then choose to completely ignore his lineage for 3000yrs . . . choosiing ALL his "prophets" from the lineage of the unworthy Isaac?
Was al'ah having a brain freeze?

babs787:
Ishmael was 13 years of age when he was circumcised, one year before the birth of Isaac. This fact can be proven with the OT in Genesis 17:1-27.

This has never been in doubt . . . it is clearly recorded in the bible but shockingly NO details of such is given in the qur'an, clearly proven by your over-reliance on the bible to prove ur fraud.

babs787:
We learnt that Ishmael never lost his status as a son:

Genesis 25:9 Then his sons Isaac and Ishmael, buried him (Abraham) in the cave of Machpelah.

Ishmael was never disowned by his father.

babs787:
From your quote:


So if Abraham was 86 years when Ishmael was born and Ishmael was 14 years old (Isaac wasnt born then),

Who did God refer to as the only son considering the fact that Isaac wasnt born and Ishmael is referred to as Abraham's son in the verse :

We've already proven that Isaac was born as recorded in Gen 21, we've also shown that Ishmael had been driven out in Gen 21. Between gen 21 and 22 lies a gap of a few yrs by which Isaac had already become an older boy (old enough to carry wood in Gen 22) . . . by which time Ishmael must have long established himself in a foreign land . . . i then put the question back to you . . . which son was God refering to in Gen 22? Isaac or Ishmael who was not available?

Gamine:
How can you wear the same size with your partner??

Except Same Sex Sumtin

Its possible. If she has a big bust you'd almost think the shirt is her perfect size except of course it may be halfway down her thighs.
She can fold the sleeves and it looks just fine.

Here are the few i can still remember:

- Never whistle at night, it attracts snakes.
- Dont sleep with your legs crossed at the ankles, it attracts the devil
- Witches fly around 1-2am every morning, make sure not to be awake at that time.
- If you catch white egrets flying in the sky a tiny white lucky patch appears on your finger nail (actually happened a couple of times).

Gamine:
See me thinking this 4Him fella na profer Gods pikin.
Now sef e dey keep girl for house

I dont keep a girl in my house o.  
It just happened that "she" needed a change of casual clothing.

missphil, you intimidate this guy. You have everything going for you, he's still struggling to find his feet . . . the typical igbo man isnt comfortable in such a situation.

MC Usman:
Seun is telling you in the clearest language humanly possible that is a moderated area. He reserve the right to remove any post. Please help him in moderating the forums. If you feel that you can not do without offensive word and you do not like to adhere to the advertised policy, please Click Here and get lost.

Very rich coming from a man who calls the bible an inspiration to penthouse and playboy magazines.

If i were you i'd be very ashamed that it takes threats of violence to get others to "deeply respect" your religion.

Flowers212:
@4him i can see that you have been studying both boths for some time?

why bother studying the qu'ran? I only take a look at it when miserable frauds like Samba come here attempting to decieve us with their mumbo jumbo.

Flowers212:
@4HIM you sure know your stuff welldone

Thanks . . . you just have to stand up to these purveyors of lies, deciet and manipulation.
The same mus'lims crying about incest in the bible and comparing it to playboy magazine were the first to go threaten Seun with violence when christians exposed even worse in the qu'ran.

MC Usman shouts about Judas and his daughter-in law . . . does he care to read about Moh'ammed and his own son's wife whom al'lah said moh'ammed could go and claim by force even when his son was still alive?

MC Usman talks about David and Bathsheba . . . how many times did moh'ammed pillage towns and tell his men to rape the women?
Is MC Usman also apalled about marrying 6yr olds?

samba123:
4HIM
I know what you mean the arabic word ' Janat _ is the languange of arabic not english
I know what is heaven in arabic, and i don't know the meaning in English it that a deal

You fraud.
Heaven in arabic means aliya. Were is this word in your qu'ran or hadith?

babs787:
Flower 212, sysuser & 4him

Some verses for you:

Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink ,the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."

Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."


Song of Songs 4:10 "How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!"

Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)" I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine.

what is new here? It is now a crime to write a poem?

babs787:
2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home."

and how many times are we going to point out David's punishment for what the bible was quick to acknowledge as a grievous sin?

MC Usman:
MORE INCEST & PORNOGRAPHY IN THE BIBLE  THE BIBLE THE MOST DANGEROUS BOOK

11. DAVID: "Man after God's own heart"— Commits adultery with Bath-sheba the wife of Uriah: (a) "And David sent messengers, and took her (Bathsheba); and she came in unto him, and he LAY (had intercourse) with her. . . 2 SAMUEL 11:4 (b) David wickedly caused the death of Uriah, the husband of Bath-sheba. 2 SAMUEL 11:6-25 (c) David shamelessly dances NAKED,"

1. David's first punishment for this grievous sin was that he lost the first child born to him through Bathsheba. You, MC Usman, also quoted the full curse that God placed on the lineage of David for this very sin.
No where did God pat David on the back for stealing another man's wife . . . now contrast that to moha'mmed's lifestyle and we see the clear difference.

2. David never danced naked . . . Micah was simply expressing displeasure that a King of Israel would refuse to behave like royalty.

MC Usman:
3. ABRAHAM: He wedded his own sister (Sarah.) (?) (a) "Why saidst thou (O Abraham), she is my sister? So l might have taken her to me to WIFE . . . now take her (Sarah) and go thy way. GENESIS 12:19 (b) "And yet INDEED she (Sarah) is my sister (!) and she became my (Abraham's) WEE" GENESIS 20:12 Hagar Abraham's wife! " . . and (she, Sarah) gave her (Hagar) to her husband TO BE HIS WIFE GENESIS 16:3

Mus'lims today are still marrying their first cousins.

Marriages between half brothers and sisters were not uncommon 3000 yrs ago.

MC Usman:
Maybe you did not read the bible before thought re- re and convertion to christaininty.

INCESTIN THE BIBLE: " IN GOD'S BOOK (?) BETWEEN A FATHER AND HIS DAUGHTERS: (a) "That night they (both the daughters of Lot) gave him (their father Lot) wine to drink and the older daughter had INTERCOURSE with him , "The next day the older daughter said to her sister, I slept with him last night. now let's get him drunk again tonight, and you sleep with him. Then each of us will have a child by our father. So that night they got him drunk and the younger daughter had INTERCOURSE with him , "In this way both of Lot's daughters became PREGNANT by their father. " GENESIS 19:33-35 (From the "Good News Bible- In Today's English".

Maybe if you had bothered to read the consequences of that "incest" you'd have noticed that Moab and Ammon, the two nations born from that incestous relationship were eventually destroyed by God.
To use this to PRETEND DELIBERATELY that the bible condones incest is to continue in the ways of your father the devil, for he hath been a liar from the begining.

MC Usman:
In the older Versions, like the King James and the Roman Catholic Versions, "SEXUAL INTERCOURSE" is vaguely described as "COLLECTING THE SEED OF OUR FATHER." INCEST BETWEEN MOTHER AND SON: (b) "While Jacob (Israel) was living in the land, Reuben (his firstborn, his eldest son) had SEXUAL INTERCOURSE with Bilhah, his father's concubine.

Did you read the consequence of Reuben's action? Here it is:
Gen 49:4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.

Again to DELIBERATELY give off the FALSE idea that the bible condones incest is to expose urself as a fraud.

MC Usman:
GENESIS 35:22. The older Versions of the Bible, use the word, "lay" for SEXUAL INTERCOURSE. INCEST BETWEEN FATHER-IN-LAW AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW: (c) "When Judah saw her (Tamar, his daughter-in-law), he thought she was a prostitute, because she had covered her face. "He went over to her at the side of the road and said, "ALL RIGHT, HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE?" (He did not know that she was his daughter-in-law) {The words in parenthesis i.e. within brackets from He did not know to daughter-in-law are not in the original Hebrew manuscripts. They are the editors g loss.}

This is another DELIBERATE HALF TRUTH being paraded by dubious mus'lims.
Lets get the facts straight:
1. Er, Judas' son who married Tamar was ALREADY dead . . . based on the fact that we still have cultures in 2008 Nigeria where relatives can marry the wives of their dead family members to raise children in the name of the deceased then this story is not as INCREDULOUS as this liars want it to sound.

2. Tamar DECIEVED Judas into sleeping with her to raise children for Er. Judas NEVER WILFULLY chose to sleep with Tamar UNLIKE moha'mmed who WILFULLY, DELIBERATELY and WICKEDLY stole the wife of his own nephew by a commandment from al'lah . . . a clear fact that MC Usman is desperate that no one notices.

MC Usman:
CONCUBINE and WIFE are synonymous terms in the Bible. Look for it in the index under ''KETURAH" (the third wife of Abraham).

This again is NOT true . . . the bible CLEARLY specifies the difference between a concubine and a wife in the bible. Solomon is recorded as having 1000 wives and 300 concubines . . . there was no attempt at a mix-up.

MC Usman:
INCEST AND RAPE BETWEEN BROTHER AND SISTER (d) " . . he took hold of her (Thamar, his sister, not to be confused with Tamar in "c" above,, and said unto her, Come lie with me (have sex with me), my sister. "And she answered him, Nay, my brother (Amnon, one of the sons of David, the man after God's own heart) do not force me . . . "But he would not listen to her, and since he was stronger than she was, he overpowered her and RAPED her (his sister). " 2 Samuel 13:5-14 WHOLESALE RAPE AND INCEST BETWEEN SON AND HIS MOTHERS! (e) So they set up a tent for Absalom (another son of King David) on the palace roof, and in the sight of everyone, Absalom went in and had INTERCOURSE with his father's concubines " 2 SAMUELS 16:22

We all know that Amnon paid with his life for what the bible acknowledges was a grievous sin not only in the eyes of the Lord but in the eyes of King David who banished Amnon from the palace for this rape.

The lying mus'lim again deliberately forgets that clear fact.

MC Usman:
". . . In the sight of every one" is rendered in the King James Version as "in the sight of all Israel." This is a fulfillment of God's promise to David the King:
"Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee (David) out of thine own house, and I will take THY WIVES before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor (actually thy son) and he shall lie (have sexual intercourse) with thy wives in the sight of sun (for the whole world to watch the fun).
For thou didst it secretly (with Bath-Sheba the wife of Uriah): but I will do this thing before ALL Israel, and before the sun." 2 Samuel 12:11-12

This was God's punishment to David for stealing another man's wife . . . on the other hand the qu'ran gleefully "wallows" in the acknowledgement that a certain rapist was given the sexual strength of 30 men and was given the right to rape his slaves and bounties of war.

Absalom is the culprit who overthrew his father, David, for a short period and went in unto his father's concubines. Again the bible EXPLICITLY tells us how Absalom met his dreadful end . . . a point MC Usman is hoping gets lost in his verbiage.

MC Usman:
You can well guess where "Penthouse" and "Playboy" got their inspiration from. Wherefrom if not from the Book of Books?

Its more likely from the qu'ran which condones marrying multiple wives, sanctions temporary marriages, gave moham'med and his fellow brigands the right to slaves and women captured in war, including 6yr old girls.

MC Usman:
Concubine is a normal occurance word wife in the Bible.

again this is false.

babs787:
You claimed tha Ramadhan started with the Pagan and you claimed to have been a a great one . If  it started with the pagan, it means that Jesus, Moses and other prophets copied same from pagan (God forbid). Moses and Jesus fasted the same fast prophet observed and please do they fast white fasting, half a day, twenty fours, 12 to 12 etc like some christians have been doing during lent and which one do we have in the Bible as being practised by early prophets.

This is an isl'amic lie. NO where in the bible are we specifically told that Moses fasted for such a purpose as the ramadan fast. Jesus Christ fasted and gave us the correct attitude to have during a fast - do so in secret! I'm sure mus'lims do their ramadan in secret.
Neither followed the moon during their fast nor did they tell us to do so.

babs787:
What of Moses, Jesus and other prophets that fasted? How do we categorise christian fast?

Isaiah 57 describes the qualities of the christian fast. It is miles apart from the deciet you call a fast.

The same samba who doesnt know that jaanat means - garden of eden and NOT heaven as he has been decieved?
The same Samba who doesnt know that firdaus means paradise and NOT heaven?

I maintain that "heaven" is not a generic name for the destination for the religious afterlife but a specific place mentioned ONLY in the bible.

Can be very sweet.
Especially if she leaves her scent on them.

EXPONENT:
We have a continent with jokers and functional illiterates running around as leaders

That's true . . . u also have a USA were NONE of you black Americans has ever and can ever aspire to lead. Dont claim Obama, he's had a chance so far because he has a white mother.

EXPONENT:
We seem to forget that, Nigeria for instance, is more that 80% slum!

Most of the non-slum areas in the US are owned by whites.

EXPONENT:
Conclusion or Thesis: Nigeria is a dying Country

Conclusion - Black America is merely hiding its failures around the skirts of white america.

Kobojunkie abeg help me ask JosBoy.

Uncle Jos what has being a republican got to do with BASIC FACTS?
Barak Obama and Clinton are both democrats and have PUBLICLY backed Israel's right to self defence . . .

Like Scopium rightly pointed out, why is it so difficult for you people to back your argument (if u have any valid one) with FACTS? Why resort to attacking the messenger?

Kobojunkie:
Now I am scared. Why would Kano state decide to have a stadium named after this man?? Is he from that state?? Did he do them so much good?? I mean what exactly is the reason for this??

He's supposed to be a resident of Kano. His family home is there and he is also buried there.

nwando:
so these northerners are actually stupid!
they named a stadium after a dictator and killer at his shameful demise.

Are you surprised? If not that God killed Him he'd still be in power today, ably supported by the cattle rearers up north.

Kobojunkie:
You mean someone actually has such a project in the works ?? In Nigeria?? Why

The stadium has been in Kano since 1999.

EXPONENT:
There are 34 MILLION Black Americans in the US.

You had these many? Looking at the number of "successful" black americans you'd be forgiven if you thought the population was just a little above 3 million.

EXPONENT:
Most drive cabs, though.

most of u flip burgers . . . a bit better than driving cabs IMO.

EXPONENT:
besides, when you get through, you still have the stigma of language and primitiveness to overcome. Not to mention those ROUGH looks.

Language . . . true, its hard to learn to speak ebonics.
As for our rough looks . . . we thank God.

EXPONENT:
That being said, I love being BLACK. I love living in America, and at the same time can't stand this bitch. YET, I WILL NEVER GO LIVE IN NIGERIA!

You dont seem to love being black . . . seems u're forcing urself to love it since it you cant change ur accident of birth.
Nah why would you come live in Nigeria? It will simply remind you of what your life would have been like if ur ancestors were not "lucky" to have been among the "priviledged few" who were enslaved here in the US.

EXPONENT:
What do Nigeria got to offer?

Perhaps a lot more than blacks in the US (stripped of mr whitey's help) have to offer.

EXPONENT:
What do Nigerians got to be PROUD of?

We have a nobel laureate . . . what do black americans have?
We've also got a forum to be proud of . . .

@ Exponent

Why are africans always portrayed on t.v. starving, with flies on their faces and raw sewage every where?

Perhaps because unlike you we dont have white men to help us cover our shame. We saw the real "black American" during hurricane katrina . . . exposed for the world to see without mr. whitey coming to solve his problems for him.

One thing WE ALL can agree on, It's better to be a Black American than an African.

That's true . . . at least 70% of your population is white. You have the priviledge of hiding under their immense talent for industry.

shit, ya'll don't even have sidewalks, mass transportation, or a food-pantry where the homeless and hungry can get feed.

We dont have sidewalks . . . true. The white man was wise enough to build one for you.
Mass transportation . . . oh yeah, right on the money too. I'm just curious why it seems mass transportation is exclusively the preserve of the blacks . . . the white man is too busy riding his expensive car to bother. At best he can help you maintain your buses and trains.

Blame YOUR thieving leaders.

You're lucky . . . if we had white leaders perhaps we would be just like you too. How do we borrow George Bush for 8yrs?

Gamine:
To make sure the Kelloggs Cereal im buying is origo
i tear open the carton, taste it before i buy it!

Saves me a lot of money o, and u know how expensivo
it is in Naija!

would you agree to such an ultimatum?

mukina2:
the last time i checked, this is a forum , its not compulsory to "show yourself'
if you don't like what u see close your eyes and move on
nothing spoil!

I vote this as the most popular phrase on NL.

Ms. Lurker:
And there are a lot of Michelle Obama's in this world, we just aren't all dating a Presidential nominee.

Michelle isnt particularly fine but again that's a topic for another day.
There's nothing wrong with a girl marrying an AA guy, i suppose it has more to do with a desire to stay within the relative comfort of the known.
Besides marriage in the Nigerian sense has a lot to do with familes . . . i dont know many conservative Nigerian families that would be disposed to letting their daughter go marry someone from goodness knows where.

Liverpool are a tricky side but if we avoid going down to an away goal at the Anfield we'll be fine. Torres is the man who needs pocketing by toure.

D-reloaded:
3 accounts.

his personal account
her personal account

Then the joint account for the important stuff like bills.

Very sensible.

DRANOEL:
@all the zionist
i wonder how some of you will feel if all of a sudden some decides hausas first occupied lagos and then goes on to relocate them there,am sure we will certainly have yorubas fighting hausas daily. now reflect that on the isreal situation

this, however, is not the case with Israel and palestine. History is on the side of the yorubas as having been settled in Lagos for centuries . . . on the other hand Hausas have no such history even though there are a sizeable population in Lagos.

Israel has a history of having lived CONTINOUSLY in their land for 3000 yrs. Palestine, as an arab nation, has NEVER at any point in time existed.
Palestine is not an arab name, NONE of the names of the ancient cities in Israel that are in existence bear any relation to arabs. So on what grounds do the arabs have to come kick out the jews from jerusalem or Bethlehem?

Uche2nna:
LMAO.
Of course the conclusion might be wrong but that is the impression she is giving. Have u ever thought of the fact that she might just be tagging along with you while waiting for her Prince Charming. Thats another possiblity

allow him to delude himself.