₦airaland Forum

leathalbeast:
yours will soon arrive from Libya.

Which just goes to prove my original point, so I'm done with this petty argument.

leathalbeast:
then tell that to your brothers. charity begins at home.

What's that supposed to mean. Maybe you should tell your brothers, 7 thousand of them who are being deported by the US as we speak.

leathalbeast:
what about this?

Stop posting news stories, there are bad people who do horrendous act in every country.

NairobiWalker:
Everything happens because people did it. You want to swim in the glory of Dangotes and Adenugas but refuse to accept the Abachas?

I wonder why some Nigerians here always feel like they deserve more accolades for their success and excused for their failures. Mara ooh we have large population, ooh, dictators, ooh, oil destroyed us etc yet when they do well they take all the credit on themselves. Interestingly when other countries do better they tend to rubbish it - Mara oyinbo did it for them, they have small population etc.

Dude, everything happens because it's done. Your military rulers happened because you're incapable of running a stable government.

So what do you want? You want Nigerians to praise and celebrate Abacha? Where in the world is that done? I mean you were the one who said Nigerians are like their dictators. Does that even make sense? You are just backpedaling into a larger trap and you should stop now. People who make their country proud will be celebrated, and evil dictators who looted, plundered their country's resources and killed its own people will be hated and spat on. And what rubbish is this: "Your military rulers happened because you're incapable of running a stable government." Lol, someone hasn't heard of global politics. Abacha was a Western puppet like many dictators in African history. The West had interest in the oil and resources of Nigeria, and they were friend of Abacha because he provided cheap oil to them and in return they provided support and helped him hide his loots in their banks.
Oh stop wailing, Nigeria built what they had largely by themselves producing the richest African man and woman, all by themselves. When a country's top consists of disproportional high amount of Indian or European, that's how you know its a relic of a colonial past and a neocolonialist state. Nigeria also had a peacefully transitioning to civilian rule and relatively peaceful elections, which can't be said of a lot of countries in the world. Sadly, there is still about 20 dictators in Africa, many are puppets of the West, but one day they will transition to civilian rule.

NairobiWalker:
You've seen no statistics buddy. In fact you no nothing about statistics and the economy. If you knew anything you'd realize all statistics indicate Nigeria has a bigger inequality than Kenya. Kenya's Gini = 42.5, Nigeria's Gini = 43 ..... oh, my bad. I forgot you don't even know what Gini is. Gini coefficient is an index used to measure wealth distribution. The higher it is, the more the inequality.

Pathetic!
You didn't realize that was what I was alluding to all along. Then again I was luring you into a trap, now that you've paste the stats that wikipedia has cooked up for you, I can now proceed. Oh NairobiWalker why don't you tell the full story?
If you don't, I will.
In developing countries (e.g Nigeria, Kenya), the Gini coefficient tends to drop overtime. It would be bogus to claim a country is "more backward" based on a .5 difference in Gini coefficient. Now, that's giving NairobiWalker the benefit of the doubt that his stats are accurate. However, it would be wrong to suggest so. In 2010, the Gini index for Nigeria was 43 while Kenya's figure in 2014 was 42.5, meaning it took Kenya almost 4 years to catch up to Nigeria in terms of wealth distribution. Looking at the map below created in 2014 at a more accurate time, it would suggest that as of 2014, Nigeria's inequality (pinkish white) falls in the middle and is comparable to that of the US, meanwhile Kenya's Gini coefficient index falls in the light reddish zone, comparable to that of China.

Oh one more thing, inequality is only one piece of the puzzle, corruption is the other.

NairobiWalker:
Definitely better than the average earnings of the 45% unemployed youth in Nigeria.

not far from Kenya's

mtis:
....

Meanwhile if I begin to list some of the things wrong with South African society, the list would be endless so for now I'll just keep a low bar for the moment.

mtis:
As at the last census, Nigeria was 160 million in total population, I am certain the figure has increased, but for the sake of this post we are 160 million. The National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) analysis of the national consumption expenditure showed that 96million Nigerians have just 20% purchasing power in the country, what this means is that inequality is soaring and the “big fish” popularly known as the giant of Africa suddenly seems helpless. Despite economic growth since the inception of democracy, inequality continues to grow as much if not more. What could be the problem?
One of the major causes of poverty and underdevelopment in poorer countries is income inequality. In Nigeria the case is even more severe, the rich is getting richer paying the poor peanuts to work for them, and the middle class is somewhat in between nonexistent and struggling to keep up while the poor is progressively deteriorating.

https://rebeccaidd./2013/01/08/inequality-and-development-in-nigeria/

stop distracting people from the real issue.
Address the question, I know Nigeria's problem you don't need to vomit it out for me to see. Btw, the number of middle class is growing really fast, so those numbers are actually narrowing. The inequality index has been getting better.
Now back to the main matter which is the endemic corruption and rampart inequality in your country. Answer the question directly.

NairobiWalker:
I laugh when you use military rule as an excuse. Were those militants foreigners or fellow Nigerians? If they were Nigerians then it simply shows how effd up Nigerians are.

Stop your hypocrisy. It's a well established fact, Nigeria's infrastructure deteriorated during military rule. Stop making fallacious arguments. The dictators in Nigeria were Nigerians, so Nigerians are terrible people? Lol, that got to be one of the most ridiculous and fallacious argument I've ever seen. In that case, Ugandans are messed up because of Iddi Amin and Germans are messed up because of Hitler, in fact most people in the world are messed up because many came from countries with some kind of dictatorship past.

Meanwhile you haven't address the high rate of inequality and corruption in your country, which is worse than Nigeria.

ifyain:
How is free WIFI better than good roads,quality education, security and health care?

He's working on those things too. It's not like he stopped fixing the roads, education, and health care so that he can specifically offer free Wifi in parks.

NairobiWalker:
Sometimes I laugh at the reasoning of some of you guys lol.

Dude, ask yourself why the official was shocked. See my friend - such entourages are so ancient here in Kenya we pity countries whose presidents still do that. Such entourages are synonymous with dictatorships and used to happen in Kenya during dictator Moi's regime.

See, former president Moi once visited New York with an entourage of private jets, military jets and state jets as was his. The following day, New York papers headlines read "Pauper arrives in style" ridiculing what lengths presidents of some third world countries go to to show might. That was Kenya of those days when our president moved around like the president of the world. Meanwhile the president's of very wealthy presidents only move around in a single state jet and one or two military jets. Currently here we viewed that kind of opulence so backward and archaic - something we used to do when we were 'young and stupid'.

You think other countries don't have people who own private jets? No buddy, they do. It's just that other countries have matured. They see no reason why the president and a small delegation should go around in several private jets when a single state jet and one or two military jets are enough.

We were actually laughing at you - not impressed with you.

Don't ever quote me out of context again!

Did I once mention other people don't have private jets?

Did I ask if you were impressed?
no, I simply used that as an example to say that Nigeria's wealth is highly concentrated meaning you have more people in the higher bracket of millionaire-billionaire that's why the number of millionaires per capita is not as high. I used it as an example to highlight Nigeria's inequality.

I admitted that Nigeria has its fair of challenges, but your overinflated ego self had to quote me out of context to validate the illogical claim that Nigerians are more backward than Kenya. Next time, make sure your "non-backward/archaic" country scores better than Nigeria on the Corruption and the inequality index.
I used to think Nigeria's corruption and inequality was the worst until I saw Kenya's statistics. Private jet or no private jet, it doesn't concern me, your country in reality has many issues including endemic corruption and inequality.

So you are switching to the national betrayal standard, not ethnic one abi. Ok i'll be fair and go along too.

EzeCanada:
Awolowo: Betrayed the entire Nigerian entity by initially masterminding breakup of the entity into seperate and independent autonomous regions. Then later Afonjaed the efforts and renegaded. As a result, we are back in square one. You can't claim ignorance of the fact that regional autonomy is a burning issue today.

lol, what are you talking about. Till the end, he advocated for stronger regionalism like Europe and state's power within a country. He did not advocate secession, meanwhile we know of a very special band of traitors who did just that.

Obasanjo: Betrayed the trust of the following individuals: Abiola, Charles Taylor, GEJ, IBB, Asari Dokubo, Peter Odili, Atiku Abubakar, Audu Ogbeh, Gbenga Daniel, Bode Thomas - list is endless. He also betrayed the trust entrusted on him by so called Nigerians when they wrongfully believed he was the messiah needed to salvaged the country since he was fresh from jail

What criteria are you using for betrayal. He betrayed Nigerians because he didn't fulfill their "messiah expectations." You know in other countries, when politicians fall short of their promises, it's called playing politics. Lol, even if that was true, wasn't it the same Nigerians he apparently betrayed that re-elected him.

Tinubu: Betrayed Fashola, Fayemi and GEJ, he is on his way to betraying his Lord and personal saviour BUHARI

Why make false assumptions

Akiolu: According to mainstream media which he had not refuted so far, Akiolu betrayed your Ooni, and by extension the entire Yoruba race by tactfully renouncing the allegiance of his people and Kingdom to the Ooni and Yoruba race after benefiting tremendously from such existing alliance.

That's all up to interpretation. That's what you interpreted. His ego was why he disrespect Ooni.
So one out of thousands of kings in Yorubaland, one disrespected the ooni at one event, the entire Yoruba race are traitors. Well, if you can't see the the fallacy in your argument, then there is no logical reasoning. Funny, it was the same traitor Yorubas who led out an outcry in large number and strongly condemned his actions immediately. And if you are using Ooni as the standard, the Ooni has never rejected his Yoruba throne and he's not doing so anytime soon, so he still reigns.
And if we are going to follow and take his action seriously, Wasn't it the same Akiolu who said your people should be thrown the lagoon. It's the same Akiolu, you are now taking seriously now as long as it fits your narrative?

CursedIboes:
Yes, Yorubas are betrayals for not sending its people to the slaughter carnival during the war. Soyinka was jailed cos of biafuro and he is still hated by these bitter people. Banjo led their only offensive during the war and he was killed by that bearded animal ojukwu whose soul will surely rot in the deepest part of hell. I dont even have any pity for that FFK and Fayose. Ibos will hate you even if you kill your own family for them, its in their DNA.

Yorubas were true betrayers for not letting the the "mighty Biafra army" invade yorubaland via ore. To them you are a betrayer if you don't submit to their agenda. They should really learn the meaning of betrayal.

CursedIboes:
They have opposite meanings to everything, a loudmouthed coward that fled from war is brave to them, someone that smuggle cocaine and do baby factory is hardworking. Shameless people

haha
Perhaps they were "betrayed" when Yorubas didn't support them during the war. They've been pained ever since.

EzeCanada:
Quite an intelligent and sincere submission. I can understand your frustrations too. The only contrast however, is that unlike the jews, majority of the historic figures from this particular tribe past and present exhibited similar betrayal tendencies as the Afonja.
The Awolowo's, the Obasanjo's, the Diya's, the Tinubu's and more recently the Akinolu's, just to mention but a few, comes to mind.

Nevertheless, there are adorable ones amongst them.

Betrayal to who?
The people you listed are being praised by yorubas, so I don't know who they betrayed.

konjinus:
please who knows?

Afonja was a historic figure from Ilorin who formed an alliance that backfired on him causing Oyo to loose the Ilorin throne.

On NL:
A term derived from a historic figure that people from a very particular tribe like to single out and abuse to validate their pathetic claim after now learning about the rich history of Yoruba people. They use it as an insult while not understanding it's full context. In reality, it makes no sense because it's the same as referring to Jewish people as Judas as a form of insult.

popizaino:
omo ejigbo say hi

vaxx:
i am from osun state capital oshogbo. Ipinle omoluabi.

Rep Okuku

Just30:
the tribes in Ghana have no link with Nigeria except the Ewes who's migration route took them through Nigeria

lol
I know, they are immigrants

The Ga tribe is the tribe that actually claim origin from Oyo empire.
Some Ewe, although not native, migrated to Badagry in Nigeria. Ewe also claim origin from Ketu town in Benin Republic, and indirectly by extension into Imeko in Nigeria.

vaxx:
am not ghana dear. yoruba are typically called alata. anago is another name to generalise nigerians. alata people are calm and industrious. they are facing their business

I know you are not.
Anago is actually a Yoruba subgroup. I guess there are many Yorubas in Ghana that they just use it as a blanket term for all Nigerians. The original Anago are from Porto-Novo(Ajase) area in Benin republic.
good to know that they are industrious and hardworking.

Just30:
who are the Yoruba people in Ghana again?

They came from Benin and Nigeria. I thought you knew.

Nowenuse:
Yes, most middlebelt muslims are from interreligious families and communities, so they cannot afford the luxuries of religious extremism, unlike Hausa-fulanis who are more secluded and do not share families, communities and even states with christians and traditionalists as such.

if you look at the cultures of many Sudan-Sahelian groups like Songhai, Wolof, Mandinka, you will see that their Islam is more liberal. I think the Fulani hegemony and aristocracy stems from the Sokoto caliphate. Imagine if the Hausa had kept their kings, I think there would be a less puritanical approach to Islam in the region and the education situation wouldn't have been the same as it is today. I think that legacy from Sokoto as well as the British involvement and indirect rule can be felt today. There is a disproportionally high number of Fulani politicians from the North. The upper class also has a disproportionally high number of Fulani even though Hausas are the clear majority. The Hausa-Fulani banner is just an alliance forged by Islam which is politically disadvantaged to Hausa and culturally disadvantaged to Fulani who easily assimilate. In a way the Fulani traded their culture for political hegemony. In reality, the two cultures are very different and almost opposite in some instances. One is pastoralist nomadic, the other is agriculturalist. One speaks an afro-Asiatic language, the other speaks a Niger-Congo language. I've seen many Fulani from Guinea or Cameroon complain about the Hausa-Fulani and they don't like the assimilation that's taking place among their people in Nigeria. Personally I see them as two distinct ethnic groups unless you are actually mixed. While settled Fulani tend to be more conservative, nomadic Fulani tend to be less conservative with many even upholding the traditional beliefs. It's ironic because they were the one who pushed for jihad and conservative Islam across West Africa, but they couldn't even fully convert their own people.

vaxx:
i am not a bastard. and also a lier. omo ka ro oji re atata ni mi o.ibadan run gidigan ko si ro nbe and that is why ajimobi is improving it seriously. Gwanrinpa is a mess compare to major ibadan district.

How are anago(Yoruba) people in Ghana doing?

freshest4live:
Don't mind these people, imagine the jay guy saying he doesn't trust the Nigerian GDP figures, saying how come we have almost the same budget as that of Kenya, he is talking about our federal budget, and not even considering the heavy budgets allocated to each state here, probably he thinks our states are like the counties in Kenya. You don't have to take them very seriously.

I know
lol I know Nigeria has its issues and I'm willing to admit that but even I won't place the bar that low.

seniorkachion:
There is little or no wealth opportunity in the south west. The only Igbo there are corporate and FG workers. Igbo live in millions in Lagos outside the south west and dominate it. From 1988 my village always holds a football tournament every xmas period and is competed for by the village development union branches all over Nigeria who could raise a football team. Kaduna branch won the first edition. We have had Kaduna Kano Jos Enugu Aba Ph Owerri and Lagos competing. We have never had Ibadan Abeokuta Akure etc registering for the competition.
Don't go on deluding your self with the notion that Igbo are flocking to the SW. Lagos is NOT SW.

On one hand, you guys say that you are active in commercial activities in the SW. On the other hand you say that you said there is little wealth opportunity in Sw. See the contradiction.
You are not as active, yet you started all that drama with the Deji of Akure.

MtuMsuper:
Guy, why did you have to reappear? We don't owe you pictures, so don't overload the servers with ones we didn't ask for. Bonny is a giant oil facility, Mombasa is an ancient city with a long and rich history. Apple and orange comparison.

Then it would be wrong to compare Port Harcourt to Mombasa because PH is not a tourist destination. Its economy isn't based on tourism, but on oil and petrochemical industries.
Bonny/Ibani/Ubani is also old city with centuries of history as well. It traded with the Europeans, particularly the Portuguese for centuries.
It has many features of Mombasa, although with less tourism. It's also a port city.

Just30:
except there has only been 3 Ghanaians reported dead whiles only 5have been documented in Malta.
If we take Syria and Afganistan out of the story because they are excaping from a civil war, Nigerians are the next highest number of migrants crossing that sea .
The question is, what are Nigerians running away from?

the question isn't how many are dying but how many are crossing the meditterenean

4431 Ghanaians cross the Mediterranean in 2015.

http://www.ghanaiantimes.com.gh/4431-ghanaians-migrate-to-italy-across-mediterranean/

Jay254:
Hahaha most of this guys have been blinded by their politicians...

I read somewhere that the oil mined in Nigeria since 1956 is equal to Brazillian Economy .

At times I believe Nigerian Figures are cooked to hide the reality.. you find a city like PH with same GDP as Durban S.A.

Only blind ppl can believe that

you do know that GDP is not the same as GDP per capita. Alot of international organizations like IMF are responsible for those figures, so they are not just made up. Yes, Nigeria's GDP figures are that high. Also, port Harcourt is literally located in the midst of oil producing area as well as serving as a hq for oil companies. Nigeria's Nollywood is a 5 billion dollar industry. Nigeria thrive off of commerce due to its high population.
During Sani Abacha's rule alone, billions of dollars was stolen by one man alone. Nigeria's negotiating with banks around the world to recover the stolen loot. Nigeria's incredibly rich, corruption,bad governance and inequality is why it looks the way it is.

Jay254:
I have said here athousand Times no one believes Nigerian figures,

Look at this way
PH has almost 2m ppl while mombasa has 1.2m
Both have 1000 dolla Milionairs dispite the population
Mombasa has way bigger port than PH
Mombasa has way better City, more Highrise than PH
Mombasa is way more multicultured more industrialised than Ph

Nairobi on the other hand has a population of 3.5m while Lagos has over 10m
Nairobi has 6200 dolla millionairs while lagos has 9100 take note of the population and the difference.

Nagerian Central Govt had same Budget as Kenyan Central govt at 22b dollas.

So I do not trust those Nigerian crap

Many of the things you put up there are mostly correct however you have to consider the fact that Nigeria has many ports across its coastline so while Lagos is the largest, there are many others, so the load is more distributed. Mombasa is Kenya's main port. And isn't Kenya responsible for Uganda since it's landlocked?
-PH is very industrialized especially in petrochemical industry
-PH is also multicultured containing ethnic groups from the SS region as well as the rest of Nigeria. It's one of the multicultural hotspots.

Those figures are correct, but the data and figures is irrelevant when there is not a lot of wealth distribution. Nigeria's rich people are very very wealthy on average, many from oil. When GEJ visited Kenya with an entourage of 7 jets, one Kenyan official was shocked of the many private jets.

Nowenuse:
Okay, i know all this, but the buttom line is that core-northern muslims are more fanatic than the middlebelt muslims on average and there is no point of debate about it.
The higher illiteracy and seclusion of the core-north is part of the disadvantage of the core-north.

agree
I think it's also as a result of the religious diversity in the middlebelt.

TayserMahiri:
They risk a fine

Any witches caught violating the altitude limit will be subjected to a fine of R500,000, about $53,000.


What am I reading?

Saw the same thing
I kid you not

fanficgirl:
. Have the witches come out and protested yet?

Ahhh, then their identity would be exposed nawh.

TayserMahiri:
Curse? No. I'm just saying they should be licensed to fly people across West Africa

I warned you, but if that's what you're into, then suit yourself.
I think Swaziland passed a law that they can't fly over 150 meters. I'm not making it up.
here:
http://disinfo.com/2013/05/swaziland-bans-witches-from-flying-above-150-meters/