₦airaland Forum

Externalhat:
I stop reading when he said he knows nothing about Oranmiyan, you asked him to provide the list of the said SW town under Benin and he started throwing insult. You must be a very patient person in real life.

Hey bro, I no go vex for am.
I see trash like this all the time on NL. I dey laugh real hard.

You just gained a follower.

Make we rid of all these crap.

Externalhat:
You should not be wasting your time on that arrogant villager. He was boxed to a corner many times on this thread then he resort to insult and name calling. He was schooled on the origin of Obaship in his Benin then he resort to insulting that guy and even claiming he knows nothing about Oranmiyan. You know nothing and still insulting those that are schooling you for free, you really have a lot of time to waste on an arrogant cum ignorant troll.

People like him like to twist history. He once claimed that the only Yorubas are Oyo and that oyo was never an empire. He also said most SW was under Benin. Bro, his yeye claims are laughable.

lx3as:
Scholar or liar, can you also explain the situation of Olukumi people in Delta and Igala in Anambra using your above explanation or framework?
Pained Ipob who put Ijaw, Bini matter for head as if he gets history or even know history; better go back to school and stop being emotional or relying on Bini lies. The Binis did not even go to Lagos but Ilajes and Itshekiris were used to secure already Awori Yorubas established kingdom for Bini. Virtually all the gods Binis worship were gotten from Yorubas - Ogun, Olokun, Imole, etc. They got Aiyelala from Ilajes.
Just because you are from landlock territory doesn't mean your benefactor you now turned to enemy doesn't enjoy coastal land. Ipodman take your anger to your forefathers who refused to build empires or kingdoms. You can have Bini if you want but not Ilaje;

He's pained, pretending to care about Bini and Ijaw matters as long as it's against Yoruba. Meanwhile they have more pressing matter with the ijaw over Ubani, Opobo, and PH, but they are here advocating for things that doesn't concern them.

arinze2015:
compare to this ones

Not impressed
Estates are all over Nigeria

MXrep:
bros, this your wailing is a consolation, urbanization simply implies houses clustering together in a nucleated settlement, as against igboland with dispersed settlement, yorubaland is highly urbanized, but urbanization has nothing to do with better standard of living. zinc takes less than 30 years to rust, so your excuse about age is untenable, secondly, when zinc rusts, the right thing is to change to aluminum, when mud house becomes shaky, you demolish and built decent block house, if you can't do any of these, it is lack of wherewithal and not those flimsy excuses

No, I'm not looking for any consolation. I'm telling you reality on the ground, you are giving me cosmetic solutions.
Most of the houses are older than that. I've posted the picture of Ibadan in the 1960s showing the same style of houses. Secondly, it's tin, not zinc that were used. Nigeria used to produce high amount of tin during the colonial times. Zinc actually is low in corrosion and takes longer than that to rust. Because of the easy access to tin, roofing sheets were made out of tin. Most people don't build houses out of tin anymore and global tin production has dropped dramatically. If a roof does what is supposed to do which is provide shelter, then there is no need to torn it down especially if the people occupying the space are poor. If the average Nigerian standard of living improves greatly, then we can start talking about roofs. They are not a priority right now, upgrading public infrastructure and raising the standard of living should be the focus.

MXrep:
ibadan

Your first picture is Abeokuta, you can obviously see the entrance to Olumo rock. In your sad attempt to taint Yorubaland, you couldn't even use the right picture. You can keep showing pictures of brown roofs of the historic centers of Yoruba cities, but failed to show the development that are taking place at the same time. I can keep on showing Makoko forever and call it Lagos, but that's never going to change the underlying fact. You see brown roofs, but what I see is that over a century ago, when many Nigerians are living under thatched roof, people in cities like Abeokuta and Ibadan could afford top live in multi-storey houses.

Nowenuse:
I've been to Akure and i say Kudos to the governor. He is doing a great job. Parts of Abeokuta also look very cool, but these are probably this way because they are administrative capital cities.
Yorubas have many towns in their states aside the capital cities.

The thing is, many Yorubas do not build modern houses in their hometowns, unlike the Igbos. Almost every succesful Igbo man must have a very beautiful mansion in his village. This has made the Igbo countryside the most beautiful and advanced in Nigeria (except for Ebonyi and parts of Abia states).

Although i think this development of Igbos is somehow a function of their culture and society.
This is a culture i think all Nigerians should emulate from the Igbos. Nothing as beautiful as seeing the development of the countryside of a place, especially in Africa.

Nigerians like to live under a fantasy but never want to come to terms with reality. Tell me a region of Nigeria that does not have brown roofs. When the Europeans visited Yorubaland, they noted the high rate of urbanism among them. For example, Ibadan at one point in time was the largest city in Nigeria and the largest in all of Subsaharan Africa. Till today, Yorubaland is one the most urbanized part of Nigeria. 40% of Nigerian cities with 100,000 people are found in the region.

It's good that you said almost every successful Igbo build a mansion. However, the truth remains that most Nigerians are poor, whether Igbo or Yoruba or whatever and cannot afford to build a mansion in their village. Most Nigerians live under inadequate infrastructure. Your sweeping generalization that many Yoruba don't build modern houses in their hometowns is false. Yoruba towns and cities embraced tin roofs and in the past, the houses look fairly decent, compare to now.

Brown roofs in my opinion is misplaced priority. It doesn't matter if you build a 4 storey mansion in a village, you are not living life to the fullest if you are surrounded by open gutters, pollution filth and litter, have to fill your generator to power your house, and drive your car on bad roads full of potholes.
What's more important than replacing brown roofs is to clean the streets and upgrade public infrastructure.

history2901:
No, look I only ran out of patience (besides I am not in a very good physical condition right now).
I like opponents who prove me wrong, no problem with that
What I hate however is when I provide proof and employ only logics, and yet the opponent keeps bringing out gibberish to rubbish my work.
At a certain point you have to recognize an opponent who is not ready to face the truth and will always claim his original claim no matter how many proves you give him. When the person you are debating is not reasonable, you have to cut your loses and move on with you life.

I asked a simple question of a list of Benin's territories in Yorubaland because I thought you were an expert on Benin's history, you instead gave me a Dutch explorer map depicting the location of Benin as if I don't know where Benin is located. The non-detailed map failed to show Yoruba groups that were under Benin, which was my question in the first place. I asked the same question again, you asked for a salary for you to decipher the map. I then asked you if you have any oral accounts from your people that talks about the Benin expansion into Yorubaland, you then proceeded to call me stupid.
I never desire "proof." I know what parts of Yoruba land were under Benin's influence, I'm not insecure to admit that for a fact. I only directed the same question to you for confirmation.

If you are not in a physical condition right now, then I respect that and we can continue our conversation some other time.

history2901:
It seems I can't have a rational conversation with you guys. Half of you are crazy, the rest are just st.upid.
Have a good weekend and go back to school, you need some sense. No offense.

When they can no longer defend their claims, they run away like madmen and yell stupid at their opponents.

Have a good day.

history2901:
Give me a salary, then I will use the map to determine the list. As far as you don't give me a salary, you will have to do the work youself.

saalary ko, salari ni.

If you rely on European maps to tell your people's history, then you are in no position to speak for Yoruba's history or parts of Yorubaland that fought Benin since you unable to tell me upfront. Don't you have oral stories that talk about Benin wars in Yorubaland? I know of towns and Yoruba groups that faced constant threat from Benin invaders. See...I know because of historical accounts that Yoruba people have kept of the Benin forces centuries ago without the need to use Eurocentric maps.

history2901:
See for yourself:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=biafra?rk=21459;2

Give me a list, not a map
give me a list of towns and subgroups of Yoruba under Benin.

history2901:
The first pre-colonial map of the area was made more than 600 years ago and it shows lagos as part of Benin empire, and I am talking about the entire Lagos and even more than just Lagos, most of southwest nigeria and even territory outside nigeria were also part of the Benin empire.
So get your facts right. Why so much hate for the truth ?

Give me a list of SW Yoruba groups that were under Benin.

history2901:
1) You don't seem to understand what I say. I said "Lagos was part of the Benin empire". I don't care where the royal familly of lagos comes from, and as you pointed out , that is irrelevent.
2) This is one of the reasons I hate talking history with nigerians: you guys confuse actual history with fairytales and legends. Look Oranmiyan is a legend !!!!!!!! There is no record about him, would you guys just stop bringing illogical arguments into debates ? Even the Benin Legend (of which you guys like to agree with only the half which pleases you) says that Izoduwa, the father of Oranmiyan is the son of an Ogiso.
3) Also to the best of my knowledge, on the videowhich you posted, the Oba points out to the fact that the entire royal class of Lagos sings tribute to the Oba of Benin.
4) Let it be, you guys can not keep fighting against the truth.

Just because Isale Eko was under Benin for a while does not make Lagos state benin territory.

ExplorerReturns:
just bear in mind that bonny island and opobo/nkoro are also Igbo speaking people who share blood and origin with upland Igbo's but have a slightly different culture with upland Igbo's like the nsuka and ezza people.

see...that's where your priority should be, not among the Ilajes of ondo state but among your Igbo people of Bonny and Opobo, who some Ijaws are busy claiming as their own. Focus on preserving their Igboness and preventing the Ijaw intruders.
leave the proud Ilaje people alone.
peace!

ExplorerReturns:
look at your mouth assimilated. so you are proud to have overwhelmed and subjugated the ijaws in ondo state into speaking Yoruba but you guys are always the first to accuse Igbo's of wanting to dominate the minorities. how many minorities has the Igbo man dominated and assimilated? the same way you peoe used your population and political power to take away Lagos from the Benin's. your narrative is trash because Yoruba's are never coastal dwellers but farmers

No one forced anything on them. Yoruba didn't put a sword down their throats and said assimilate or die. They settled in Yorubaland, what do you think was going to happen.
You do know that Yoruba are not one group of people, but a collection of multiple groups of people united by blood and origin. Oyo and Ekiti people are not coast dwellers but Awori, Ilaje and Ijebu people are expert in the sea. Yoruba traditions and lifestyles varies from one group to the other. Of course, the culture of Yoruba groups along the coast are going to be slightly different from more inland Yoruba. In Yoruba religion, one of the most important deity is olokun, who is the deity of the sea.
One Benin prince wondered into Lagos island(1% of Lagos state) centuries ago, met the already existing Awori Yoruba there, and now the entire Lagos state belongs to Benin? Please spare me the joke

ExplorerReturns:
Yoruba's give back ijaws their coastline in Ogun and ondo state. the only coastline local government in ondo,ilaje, is ijaw land. they are angry and that is why they are killing people in ogun, lagosand ondo pls cede ilaje, ese-odo local government back to delta state for peace to reign! or else they will keep terrorizing the neighborhood. you guys are not coastal dwellers and I wonder what apo ijaw speaking people of ilaje is doing in ondo state

You lack knowledge of history. Ilaje are the original owner and they accommodated the Ijaw migrants. The Ijaw (Arogbo and Apoi) acknowledge themselves that they migrated from Bayelsa. Bayelsa is nowhere near Ondo. There is another Apoi tribe in Bayelsa which is where the Apoi in ondo state migrated from. The Arogbo came from Gbaran which is also in Bayelsa. The Apoi(the larger of the two Ijaws) in ondo state don't speak their language anymore as they were the first to settle and have been assimilated. The Arogbo still speak their language as well as Yoruba.

The Ijaw in Ondo didn't settle along the coastline because they are mostly riverine people. The Ilaje on the other hand engage in both riverine and sea activities. So, I don't get where you got your ill-sighted conclusion from.

The Ilaje are responsible for 97% of the oil in Ondo state. Stop making stupid excuses for the Ijaw militancy and violence in SW. They aren't even known for producing oil in the SW, so I don't know were you get that nonsense from.

Stop your pretend game, as if you care about Ijaw matters. You are not even Ijaw, but a jealous prick from the SE who lack knowledge of history or socio-political issues but is ready to jump unto made up fantasies to suit his agenda.

Unimaginable123:
hello sir/ma, the discussion here is not about air pollution. It is about about a thread your yoruba brother created idolising the brown roofs in Ibadan that all of you yorubas adore.
The link u intentionally attached to ur response is on environmental pollution. Pls create a thread for that.
But for this, accept that Ibadan conglomerate of brown roofs

Op created an innocent thread that discusses history of Ibadan and its iconic brown roofs, but children of hate had came to display their bigotry once again. They look for ways to feel superior because everything to them is a competition. If it's brown roof you talk about, I say there is nothing wrong with brown roofs. A roof is just a roof. There are modern parts of Ibadan as there are parts that are old and dilapidated. Brown roofs are not stopping popular Western companies from establishing their businesses in Ibadan every year. Ibadan is witnessing a lot of growth in foreign investments as we speak.

I think brown roofs add to the historic character of the city. To me they serve as a testament to a prosperous time when the economy was based on farming and trade, and local farmers and merchants prospered greatly as a result. Revitalize the cocoa industries, fix the roads, clean up the streets and upgrade the infrastructure, going after brown roofs is misplaced priority and quite irrelevant. Then again, I don't expect you to understand. To you, you would like to see every one of those brown-roofed houses gutted and replaced with artificial cloned estates with pink roofs. Anyways, Ibadan stands as it is, don't get yourself worked up on it.

Instead of worrying about the ugly brown roofs of Ibadan, you have far more pressing issues to worry about like the ongoing pollution in your region.

See, brown roofs only appear "ugly", but pollution causes life-threatening illnesses and kills.

Meanwhile..... Abeokuta, a city where rust meets gold.

Unimaginable123:
don't turn history on its heads pls. Compare Ibadan with ogbomosho, so ekiti and ilorin pls. And with Somalian town and Togolese town, but never with an European city

There are cities far polluted than Ibadan.

Help yourself...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/africa/nigeria-cities-pollution/

Unimaginable123:
are u trying to compare useless biggest slum ibadan with the city of london?

Did you read my post? Before London got to where it is now, it had a major upgrade.

Unimaginable123:
Op, London is a city far far older than Ibadan. And English people are so so conservatives. Do u see see brown or wooden roof there?

The same London where there were open gutters and people used to dump poo from their windows up until 20th century. There was an event known as the Great stink, which caused smelly and harmful chemicals to leak out into the water system and air causing thousands of people to die from diseases like cholera. Any old city can look descent if there is proper management and better infrastructure upgrade, which is obviously lacking in Nigeria. Infrastructure neglect is a big problem in Nigeria. This is the same Ibadan in 1960s.

Coolitempq:
Many Igbo communities bordering Akwacross and within Present day IMO and Abia like Aro, Ohafia etc practice the Leopard cult system, fattening room culture as well as the nsibidi writing. These are shared culture between both groups.

Op don't die just yet cause, Igbo's still have more surprises cooking with the nsibidi cause they are taking advanced steps to make it more intelligible. so try again with your hate... the nsibidi is just one of several other shared culture.

Many Afonjas today wear and claim the agbada which they have no links or connections with and you don't see any one crying about it, so why cry when Igbo is trying to promote a shared culture between them and the Akwacross region.

I didn't care until you brought Afonja into the matter. You borrowed the culture and there is no problem with that. Nsibidi has no meaning in Igbo. However, it has a meaning among the Ejagham which you borrowed it from. The traditions you listed were all borrowed from the Cross river people. It's alright, just an example of cultural diffusion. In the Western axis you have Igbos who have adopted some Benin culture. It's a shared culture, however it's still borrowed nonetheless.

"Eko" back in the day only referred to Lagos island and co. Current Lagos is a merger of different towns and cities. Ikeja, Agege, otta, Ojo, mushin etc were all towns with their own kings. The British merged this town together and created the Lagos colony which comprised settlemets of Awori, Egba, Ijebu, Remo, and Anago Yoruba groups. Akiolu's domain is only Isale Eko which is like 1% of Lagos, so he has no authority to speak for Lagos. In fact half of Lagos state is occupied by Ijebu/remo people and a lot of the culture that has given Lagos its identity comes from them. All of this is just nonsense, just because of some Benin folktale. Anyways, there are more than 50 Yoruba kings in Lagos all in charge of their own domain of Lagos.

New thread, same crap

history2901:
There is no proof whatsoever that oyo was ever an empire.
On all pre-colonial maps on which oyo is represented, all we see is a small and young kingdom being overran by fulla.

Then you should take that myths to the Europeans who visited Oyo as early as the 1600s or the Dahomeans who documented wars with Oyo including warrs after they were under the rule of Oyo. Oyo's influence extended from Nigeria to Ghana across 4 African countries. The Akyem of Ghana once requested help from Oyo against the imperial rule of the Ashanti. The Europeans recorded the defeat since they had trade interests in the region.

history2901:
You do not have different dialects, whaat you have are different tribes.
Common sense.
yoruba (or y.a.riba) means oyo and that is all.

And you should know that Oyo was an empire that included multiple Yoruba subgroups.

Lol
ok Lagos is Awori and Ijebu, not Yoruba. How ridiculous does that sound?

blackberlin:
U look like a typical muslim yoruba man. The look in your eyes though. . . U look like an islamist extremist, sorry I just had to point it out.

He asked a genuine question, but your bigoted tribalistic hateful self had to insert yourself in.

MPSA:
Your people they don't behave well outside your country, no one will attack you without a reason They know how to provoke their host they aren't discipline at all

Oh please is that why you attack other Africans too? If Nigerians are bad like you said, then why were xenophobic attacks directed at other African nationals too?
I mean it's not like African immigrants are the only immigrants in SA. You attack the same people from the same continent you are in.

"No one will attack you without a reason"
..So you are making an argument for xenophobic violence. I see...you can't condemn the horrendous actions of your countrymen instead you are trying to justify violence.

MPSA:
You are proud to behave like animals in other countries, you will never stop crying. when you mention the name of your country, you are already creating hate because of your bad behavior. You mustn't cry about xenophobic No one will allow your bad bahavior outside nigeria, the best way stay in your country to save you naughty a$$

I guess the best way to deal with people with "bad behavior" is to carry out mob justice, burn their houses, blame them for "stealing" your jobs, loot their stores and properties, and stab them to death.

SirShymexx:
This is why I hate Nigeria and the useless politics that keeps balkanising people and old kingdoms where all the people lived happily together as one. Just shut the fvck up. You and your fellow illiterates need to stop posting nonsense. My mum is Remo from Iperu-remo and my dad is Ijebu-Epe and all my life the both of them have always claimed Ijebu, and that's what we all grew up claiming.

Remo and all the other Ijebu enclaves in Lagos have always been part of the Ijebu Kingdom. The kingdom was broken into three - Epe, Ikorodu, and Ijebu Ode administrative units by the colonial Brits after the Ijebu kingdom was defeated. Ijebu-Remo was grouped under the Ikorodu administrative unit, while Ijebu waterside was under Epe administrative unit, and the rest were under Ijebu-Ode until it was later made the Ijebu province. And subsequently, the Akarigbo's throne was upgraded to a first class king due to politics.

Also, all the crowns that came from Ife came after that. Meaning: they're all 20th century crowns. You lot need to shut the fvck up - Ijebu, Ijebu-remo, and Ijebu waterside are all one people. The fact that Awolowo was a Remo man from Ikenne and he said he's an Ijebu man before anything else adds credence to it.

I don't understand the stupidity on this thread. Nigeria just made you heifers so dumb that you'd rather fight unnecessary fights, than embrace what makes you one...which is the dialect/history. And if you're ignorant, how about pick up a book about Ijebu kingdom in pre-colonial Nigeria and read?

Mehn fvck Nigeria, the useless politics and functional illiterates the country keeps churning out.

There is no problem with Remo aligning with Ijebu people. Yes, politics is a big factor, people want to be different and like to distinguish themselves. However you cannot overlook the stark contrast in origin. Ijebu people need to stop with the Wadai theory. Obanta was from Ile-ife. The Wadai kingdom was founded in 1600s and the Ijebu people were already in existence before that. The Portuguese visited Ijebus in 1400s. The Wadai people are still alive today in Chad. Ijebu kingdom is more well known in Africa than Wadai. The culture of Wadai people in Chad is very different from Ijebu. No such immigration from Wadai was recorded. The theory was invented by revisionists later on. Ijebu are from Ife not wadai. If the origin story is properly addressed, then the relationship could be reinforce. I also think responsibility goes to other Yoruba as well because the disassociation and constant bogus stereotypes projected onto Ijebu people.
of course. Ijebu and Remo are one. However, I think if relationship was to improve, there needs to be a consensus and the origin story has to be properly addressed.

AreaFada2:
A very desperate SW attempt here again. There is no single historical evidence of any yoruboid influence on Benin Monarchy before Oranmiyan.

How many monarchs had Ife before Izoduwa/Oduduwa? Benin had around 35 Ogisos already before Izoduwa. You mean a group of primitive Ife farmers and hunter/gatherers planted ogiso monarchy at Udo around 40BC but yet it took Izoduwa's children a millennium plus later to conquer nearby Yoruba settlements?
I think this is a poor and watery attempt at reverse psychology and revisionism.

Ogiso is still a myth until further archaeological evidence suggest otherwise. I'm not here to claim superiority, but it's a bit hypocritical to say that the Yoruba's version of Oduduwa is a myth while at the same time holding to your ogiso tales.

Very funny that Benin Art is more famous than Ife art. grin cheesy
Ife trying to take credit for Benin art by attaching to it.

I have not only seen it at The British Mueseum, I have seen it at Das Musuem fuer Voelkerkunde in Berlin, the former Musee des Arts d'Afrique et d'Oceanie (Former French president Chirac is even a big fan/connoisseur of Benin arts) in Paris, now moved to Musee du Quai Branly, , Amsterdam Museum and several others across the world. I can recommend many others to you to see.

Still attaching to Benin art is somehow demeaning. Appreciate it fine.
By 40BC Ife was pretty primitive. Benin already had an Ogiso/Oba-godo and it took Izoduwa to bring monarchy to Ife around 1150 AD. So yes, if they were sophisticated, they would have developed a better organised & centralised leadership before that.

You must be joking. Your point is inconclusive. Ife was more primitive than Bini because you had ogisos and Ife didn't . Please give me hard evidence and not myths. Ife throne predates 1150 A.D that you cite there. The Akure throne was already established by that time. No one knows what political system the people at Ife had before Oduduwa which means you can't draw any conclusions from that. I guess you are an expert seeing that you have already jumped on the conclusion that they were primitive after you time traveled to the past to confirm that they didn't have a proper political system prior.

Well the Arabs & Muslims always wanted to determine Yoruba's fate. They even gave the name "Yoruba." Benin were much too stubborn. Fighting off Jihadists in Edo North ans still fighting the British as late as 1897 when all Yoruba kings had already meekly signed humiliating treaties. grin cheesy

I see your intent. Stop fabricating lies to make Benin look bigger than it is. You are trying to take away from the fact that Yoruba had fought a number of wars include the civil war and Jihad wars prior to the British. You are discrediting that by saying that Benin also fought Jihad as well as the British at the same time. Seriously you must be joking. Jihad in Edo North?? That's a new one. Between Edo North and the Sokoto caliphate, there is a huge stretch of land from Suleja across the Niger to Kogi and then Edo North. The caliphate was no where near Edo. The Jihadist frontlines were in Nupeland and in the Northern parts of Oyo including Ilorin. The Yorubas are credited with stopping the jihadist expansion when almost half of Nigeria had been conquered. Maybe if Yorubas didn't launch a strong defense to push back the Fulani, the entire South would have been overrun by Sokoto. How does emir of Auchi sound like? emir of Uromi? Grand emir of Benin?

Respected by white people, buhahahaha. You know Oyinbo like those they have managed to fool. Benin of about 4 million people punches way higher in world artistic recognition than Yoruba of same population would have been. You say Oyinbo do not do studies into Benin history, why is it that BBC documentaries about African civilisation necessarily includes a long part of Benin history? Because they know the value & quality of it. Is BBC owned by Gombe or Akwa Ibom govt? shocked shocked
I happen to have several books on Benin History, Benin Royal Court, etc by white people like Bondarenko, Midwinter, Bradbury & others. The books cost me from $90 to about $450 each. Which not highly respected history deserves books by foreigners that cost that much? grin grin

in any case we do need Oyinbo to give a sense of self-worth. Far much less the Arabs that still treat African domestic servants in the gulf as personal property today.

"higher artistic recognition than Yoruba"
You wish....yet many of your artistic, spiritual and religious practices, you took from the "inferior" Yoruba. Wasn't Yoruba the official language among Benin elites in the day....

Yoruba art from Ife predates Benin by far. It remains one of the most hyper-realistic art in the world from the time period surpassing the quality made in Europe. It confused the Europeans that they were willing to believe the people who made it were European descended from the lost Atlantis colony meaning that they were pairing Yoruba's artistry with that of Europe if not better.

BBC has made numerous documentary on Yoruba history. BBC made an entire documentary about a bronze head from Ife....ONE BRONZE HEAD. It fascinated the British so much that the oyinbos spent so much time, effort and money trying to uncover its "mysteries."

Art is also not limited to sculptures or casts, it's incorporated into language, poetry, customs, music,and religion. Yoruba artistry is recognized among diasporas in 3 continents influencing the traditions, music, religion and language in different parts of the world.

So...higher recognition my foot.

Oba of Benin doesn't even travel around doing PR o. He does not go to Brazil, Cuba or other God-forsaken places Yoruba slaves ended up, like your Obas do, embarrassing in my view. What could be more civilised than refusing to sell our people (Edo) into slavery when other Africans were busy selling themselves & the Europeans were trading in humans. At that point, Benin civilisation easily trumped the Muslim Arabs, Catholic & protestant Europeans who engaged in that barbaric trade.

You think the Ooni is doing PR for attention. Lol, he got invited to many of these places and he accepted the invitations.
It's true the Oba at times banned slaves from being sold to the Europeans, however women slaves could be sold as well as prisoners of war. Men slaves were also sold in certain time periods. Benin participated in the slave trade, although it was sporadic and in limited amount, but still nonetheless.

The igodomigodos have started again.


Let me throw this in: The word "eko" is found in Yoruba as well.

aljharem:
Thank God you mentioned Awori and bini that's all.

For your info we are Yorubas, we now speak oyo dialect, we eat lafu and ewedu . Please we are not bini or anything we are Yoruba and every inch is yoruba land. Every inch even to the ocean

You don't need to prove anything. Awori is Yoruba the same way Egba is Yoruba. Any Yoruba man can understand the Awori dialect.