₦airaland Forum

fanficgirl:
How did he succeed in doing that? Never understood this part.

The story is long but, I 'll try to keep it short. Dahomey needed foreign intervention so I introduce to you Fransisco de Souza. He was a Portuguese-Brazilian and also a notorious slave trader in the area and he was known as the "greatest slave trader." The king of Dahomey imprisoned Souza and Ghezo led a coup to overthrow his brother and free Fransico de Souza. They became a close ally of each other. At first, De Souza was sent to Oyo by ghezo, to negotiate peace in order to end the kingdom's tributary status. The peace talks broke down after the Alaafin rejected his offer. De Souza would later led the Dahomey army to confront Oyo. His army was able to secure a victory which ended Dahomey's tributary status.

altitudee:
THAT IS YOUR VIEW.. WHICH HAS NOT PROVEN THE FACT OF OTHER PEOPLE WRONG....

There was nothing factual to begin with.

Just30:
no,just Ghana
Imagine close to 5 million Nigerians in a single country

Where did you get this number from? Credible source?

altitudee:
good for you....if u have followed & read all my comments carefully, u will know what I stand for & what I believe.....When something is widely accepted it becomes true until proven otherwise, that is the world we live in....A lot of findings and theories have been proven wrong but the impact is yet to be felt

Yes, I know however when I said the language you were referencing doesn't sound like Ijebu, you continued to push the theory. If something is no true then it's not true, no matter how hard someone tries to spin it. Ijebu people are clearly not from Sudan nor is there a language that is similar to Ijebu in Sudan.

fanficgirl:
Was that the time they would have to pay tribute?

Yes, as a vassal state you must pay tribute. You also don't have complete independence, since you are a territory that must answer to Oyo's rule.
It wasn't until king Ghezo's rule almost a century later that Dahomey was able to completely secure its independence from Oyo.

fanficgirl:
Yes, unfortunately many of us don't bother with history. Honestly, Nigerian history is just a melting pot of so many different African's histories. Do they know the people who built this boat?

Haha , good thing it was found in the remote part of Yobe because we know those very special type of people who would love to claim that the people who built it couldn't have been Africans. Anyways, Yobe state is very close to lake Chad and parts of Yobe was once covered in lake Chad before it started drying out and strinking due to the encroaching Sahara desert. According to Scientist, back in 5,000 BC, lake Chad, known as Mega lake Chad was much bigger and was the largest lake in Africa.It was larger than all of Germany, France and Netherlands combined. The boat could have been an explanation of the lake cultures around the area and the extent of the lake.

Here is a pic of mega lake chad thousands of years ago. Even though it's the driest region in Nigeria today, most of Northeastern Nigeria was under water then.

JiggamanGh:
It took Akyem and coalition of other Akan tribes, fanti, Dahomey and oyo. It was not even a battle. Ashanti's were on their way to invade dahomey where they were ambush by akyema and other Akan tribes, Dahomey and oyo. During this time Dahomey weren't part of oyo. It was an amabush because we all know they couldn't face Ashanti's on the battle field.

excuses...excuses...excuses

I like how you underestimate Oyo's role by putting it last. Anyways the battle didn't concern Oyo, it simply sent its mercenaries.

By the way, the battle was in 1764 and Dahomey was part of Oyo between 1740-1823.

fanficgirl:
Very interesting! Never heard of this I must research.

Nigeria has a number of interesting discoveries and archaeology sites, that many Nigerians themselves aren't even aware off.
I keep telling people that Nigeria is a big place with rich history and culture. At least in those areas, Nigeria excel and its contribution cannot be underestimated.

JiggamanGh:
My point is you can't compare your oyo or benin empire to the great Ashanti empire. Oyo would not be able to defeat Ashanti empire by itself. Even th British had hard time defeating the Ashanti empire.

Yet, it took a coalition of Akyem and Oyo to defeat Ashanti in a battle.

BTW, It also took the British multiple attempts to conquer Benin and many other states in Nigeria.

JiggamanGh:
You don't even know your history, it wasn't oyo empire that defeated Ashanti empire it was a joined force of other Akan tribes, Dahomey and pho together to defeat the great Ashanti empire. It took three empires to defeat one, had it been just oyo they would have been crushed.

How can oyo empire defeat the great Ashanti empire.

First of all, it was the Akyem that requested Oyo's help. It wasn't on Oyo's ground, because it was an Akyem-Ashanti conflict, but the Akyem had military boost from Oyo. It was the only way they could have won.

Second, Akyem and Dahomey were both kingdoms, not empires. Also during this time, Dahomey was an integral part of Oyo because decades earlier Oyo had already defeated and conquered Dahomey and it was absorbed into Oyo empire. Dahomey was a tribute-paying vassal state of Oyo. The Akyem knew Oyo was the only power that could rival Ashanti and help them defeat them, that was why they requested the help Alaafin's mercenaries. Either way, the battle resulted in the defeat of the Ashanti army.

Nowenuse:
http://www.buzzreporters.com/nok-culture-people-and-their-role-in-african-civilization/

Check the 5th sub heading.
There are other more detailed and verified sources than this one. I just seem to have forgotten where i found them.
I will refer you later if i do.

You would think Nok artifacts are the earliest until you consider that Nigeria's a very big place with diverse history. The Dafuna canoe discovered in Yobe state alone was dates back 8,500 years ago making it the oldest boat ever discovered in Africa and the second oldest in the world.
No Ancient Egyptian nor Ancient Greek nor Mesopotamia nor Ancient China's boat date back that far. In fact, when the Dafuna boat was constructed around 6,550 BC, Ancient Egypt was not in existence yet as it would take another 2,000 years. It predates the next oldest boat/oldest Egyptian boat, the Khufu ship, constructed in 2,500 BC by 4,000 years.

So ladies and gentle men, standing at 28 ft in length (almost 3 storey tall), I give you the Dafuna canoe.

More info, visit this wonderful Ghanian site: http://www.ghanathegoodnews.com/2015/01/nigerias-dufuna-canoe-oldest-boat-africa-3rd-oldest-worldwide-finest-craft-vintage/

Nkem4040:
Lagos deceiving Nigerians and themselves. Only a fool will believe that Lagos has oil. If yorubaa has oil, I promise you....they will start pushing for secession. Trust me...I know them very well like I know my wife. I did my primary school in Ogun and university in Lagos. I speak fluent yorubaa than most of these so-called yorubaas in Lagos from other SW states claiming Lagos.

Nahhh, Yorubas aren't greedy land grabbers unlike some people from the land of the rising potopoto.

Of course Odua nation has oil. Ondo state is the 5th largest oil producing state in Nigeria after Bayelsa and Lagos has just joined the rank. Ondo alone produces more oil than all of SE.

RedboneSmith:
The ones I know identify simply as Olukumi. They are aware of their Yoruba heritage, but I haven't met any of them that identifies as Yoruba. They just say they are Olukumi.

Thanks! Anioma is an interesting place.
I forgot to ask...
Do they identify as Igbo? I heard a lot of them speak Igbo and their language is endangered. Their original language is very close to Eastern Yoruba dialects especially from Owo-Ondo area.

RedboneSmith:
No settlement is called Olukumi. It is the people who are called Olukumi. Their settlements have named like Ukwunzu, Ugbodu, etc. You, perhaps, are the one that needs to read more about Olukumi. It's not today I started reading about and meeting them. I am Anioma, and the Olukumi people exist in my backyard.

Olukumi in this context means exactly what I have told you it means.

I know the Olukumi are Anioma politically and geographically. I know they migrated during the Benin empire and traces their origin to parts of Ondo state. Since you are Anioma, how do they identify?

altitudee:
go google your own history

No, I don't need to google pseudo theories or myths to know my history. History is not invented to fit a narrative. It's set in stone weather it's favorable or not. You can't wake up one day and change your history all af a sudden to suit your narrative nor can you claim that your ancestors came from some far away place to feel better about your origin. When scientific evidence says otherwise, I don't have to hold on to made up stories. Many Nigerians believe everything they hear and don't think critical about it. A lot have inferiority complex and always want to attach themselves to other people. My own history tells of brave warriors, honorary leaders and people who have contributed to how I see myself today, my identity. I am not from Saudi Arabia. I am not from Egypt nor Sudan and I am not from Israel. I don't need to claim something I'm not to feel special.

laudate:
The guy you quoted is nothing but a confusionist and a revisionist. He keeps turning logic on its head, and twisting facts to suit his preconceived notions. 9jakool's rebuttal is factual and authentic. Tell your brother Sunnysparkle to take lessons from him. Those who have conducted proper and adequate research into this area, can easily tell you that the old Ugbo people of Ile-Ife, have nothing to do with the present day Nd'Igbo of the South-East. They share no historical links, and no similarities whatsoever.

No matter how hard you try to explain, they will never understand.

igbodefender:
O lukwu mu.

what's the English translation?

Olu317:
Olukumi doesn't mean companion or friend. But “to be added unto ",it has “OLU" in it and it is strictly for lineage of KINGS in the olden days. You need to get acquainted with Yoruba names bore by different categories of ancient Yorubas. And also names given at birth as well other situation in ancient Yoruba land.

Yes in a deeper sense.
I just gave a simpler explanation of the meaning. Regardless it has a meaning in Yoruba, which was my point all along.

forgiveness:
Oyo empire ordinary mercenaries(not even the light army) humbled, humiliated, crushed, pummeled and defeated the whole mighty large 200,000 armies of Ashanti kotoko empire. Wetin go happen if they face the main Oyo empire calvary?

Suicidal!

lol Oyo kept knocking on their boarders. Remember Great Oyo expanded from Nigeria to Togo and near the Ghanaian boarder.
They were humiliated in the battle of Atakpame. The Akyem kingdom of Ghana asked for the military aid of Oyo and its vassal states against the Ashanti's control. They were humiliated at the battle of Atakpame when Oyo's coalition ambushed and defeated them. The loss was even recorded by the Europeans who had trade interests im the area.

altitudee:
Ijebus Are From Sudan, Awujale Insists

June 25, 2010The Awujale of Ijebuland, Ogun State, Nigeria, Oba Sikiru Kayode Adetona, Ogbagba II who will tomorrow round-off the celebration of his 50 years on the throne.Oba Sikiru Kayode Adetona in an interview with P.M.NEWS in his palace at Ijebu Ode, the monarch, when reminded of his claim in 1983 that the Ijebus are from Waddai in Sudan, said every tribe in the country migrated from somewhere.Says Oba Adetona: Let me tell you, there are ways of settlements, even before Oduduwa came to Ile-Ife, Ife was already in existence. All you just have to do is go to history books, you'll see all these things there.

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/06/25/ijebus-are-from-sudan-awujale-insists/

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The Sudan theory is a constructed theory that is relative modern. Did the past Awujales of Ijebu Kingdom centuries ago ever acknowledge the Sudan migration theory?

altitudee:
are u aware that chad and sudan shares border? .... just like u have china town in Nigeria there is every probability that the waddai people have settlement in Chad

Sure but, Waddai people speak Waddai/Maba and I don't think it sounds like Ijebu because it's classified as a Nilo-Saharan language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajZI3hc7u1Y

Probz:
Nope, I'm just wondering. You seem to know a lot about ndi Igbo.

I'm not Igbo. I just have a few family ties. I'm a history/culture fanatic so I study Nigerian/African history including that of Igbos.

Probz:
What tribe are you, 9jakool? That's if you don't mind me asking.

Do you have a reason for wanting to know?

Muafrika2:
Hausa brides ...

nahh, what Hausa bride dresses like that? Do you even know Hausa culture/tradition or what they wear in their traditional weddings?
haha
what a failed attempt

SUNNYsparkle:
What is the meaning of Yoruba?

Yoruba was the name that Oyo empire was referred to by surrounding states.

Why are there two different types of Igbo?

First of all, "igbo" comes from the standardized modern Yoruba. The original people were known as Ugbó in the in the local Ife dialect, which translates to forest. In standardized modern Yoruba, Ugbó is known as Igbó. According to some oral sources, the people in the kingdom of Ugbó in present day Ondo state are from from ancient Ugbó of Ife.

Yet they are not Igbo? Who gave them the same name, yet different meanings?

Igbo is just a word in Yoruba with different intonation. If you speak a Kwa/Volta-Niger language, then you know how different intonation can affect or drastically change the meaning of a word. Ndi Igbo people(Eastern Nigerians) in Yoruba are referred to as ígbò or íbò, which is different from igbó (forest) and the Ìgbó in Ìgbómìnà (Yoruba subgroup). They don't have the same intonation, so they are not the same in meaning.

If Ulukwumi is Ancient Yoruba, what makes the ancient Igbo Oduduwa met not the same with Igbo. Is the distance to far to be true? Remove sentiments from these and answer with facts and figures. It must be convincing not mere telling us "this is not this" without any thing to show for it.

Ulukwumi is a Yoruba word in actuality. ígbò/íbò has no deep meaning in Yoruba. It's just a word Yoruba people used to refer to the people in the East. It has no ethymology context in Yoruba. Ulukwumi/ulukumi/olukumi/lukumi means my companion or my friend in Yoruba.

Who gave the present day Igbo the name "Igbo"?

See that question is not for Yoruba people, but for Igbo people. Look into your oral sources or something.

Why is it the same name with the ones Oduduwa group met?

I just explained it, they are not the same. Big difference in intonation.

Also bear in mind that Eko and Lagos are same but yet different pronounciations.

Even though they refer to the same place, they have no relationship in meaning as they originate from different sources/languages. Lagos is Portuguese word meaning lake and Eko means farm or war camp.

juman:
I want to learn:
In that sense one can say alaafin is above ooni.

No we can't use those comparisons. The Ooni is the spiritual leader of all Yoruba race. The Alaafin was a political ruler of the Oyo empire which only encompassed some Yoruba. In the past, the Egba, Yewa, Oyo, Igbomina etc. were under the rule of Alaafin. However there was a lot of revolts by many of these groups against the political hegemony of Oyo. In actuality, Ijebu, Ekiti, Ijesha, Ife etc were not under the direct rule of the Alaafin. The Alaafin only directly controlled some Yoruba. Other Yoruba groups had independent kingdoms like the Ijesha or Ijebu for example, although Alaafin's influence on cannot be underestimated. The role of Ooni has always been very important.

Olu317:
Before slavery begun, Yoruba have been travelling to places because of wealth created by them when they got to West Africa.
Evidence of bead manufacture among the Yoruba dates as far as the 11th Century AD. Scientific evidence exists indicating that blue-green glass beads made in Ile-Ife were being traded outside the Yoruba area long before the era of European contact. My ancestors have had contact with Whites through their business dealing,long before slave trade. In fact, Yoruba beads was an outstanding because it not in existence in SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA apart from the Yoruba producing it . Forget, this your egocentrism about Ibos because DNA support the Yoruba as the largest ethnic group in AMERICAS as far as the African continent is concerned. So, forget what you think s TRUE. Like I have always emphasise, the word IGBO wasn't your identity in 14th—19th century. The Easter people were known as EBOES.

Yeah I've heard Ife traded across the Sahara. Ife also had furnaces where those red and blue glass beads were manufactured.
kudos to you! You know your stuff.

SUNNYsparkle:
That the Yorubas of today depict Igbo as forest does not necessarilly give the meaning to the name of the people Oduduwa met on ground when he came. The people that lived in the forests of West Africa were autochthonous Igbos. The real meaning being "Gbo, Hebo, Ebo" ie Ancient/time immemorial. The people called themselves as Ndi-Gbo (Ancient people) but were identifed as forest people by the youruba of ancient. Ife was not the only place they were. Infact the were scattered in the whole of forest area of Nigeria just as the autochthonous Sans were scattered in Southern Africa. They were hunters and gatherers as opposed to the Orus who at same time inhabited Southern Nigeria and who were hunters and fishermen. The autochthonnous Igbo who couldn't tolerate change and colonisation where pressured off to migrate to safer places, while other large numbers might have decided to stay back and be colonised. This was done by the Yorubas and Binis. Igbo of today fought the British as Igbo of the west fought the Oduduwa group. Igbo of today is not an empire like Igbo the Oduduwa group met on ground. They were not organised in large kingdoms as Ife kingdom of today, They had village leaders or village heads as most Igbo communities of today. Many questins bug my mind. Why are there Igbos on both sides of River Niger? Why is the Eastern part of Igboland bigger than the western part on the bank of the Niger and with more population? Why is Igboland so thickly populated and Yorubaland/Edoland not thickly populated like that of present Igboland? Why is it that the present day Igboland is not that big when compared to their population and together with the high population density and closeness of one Igbo clan/group to the other yet there are various varying dialects and languages with very short distance from each other unlike what we see in present Yorubaland/Edoland? At what time did the Nri group enter Igbo land? Why are most present day Igbo light in skin tone, to the extent that slave traders termed them "red Ibos". I think the Olugbo is right in his autochthnous narration. Ethnic rivalry apart, jokes apart, prejudice apart, I think it is high time a comprehensive study on the Kwa family which Yoruboid, Edoid, Igboid, Nupoid, Idomoid etc. belong was done. We are all related and we are a product of mixtures, assimilations and inter-marriages over sometime. For us to be in one language family is not a joke. There are lots of stuffs that had made us to be one family, Kwa family.

the kwa languages are related, however the Ugbo of Ife have nothing to do with Igbo of Eastern Nigeria. Igbo means forest and it doesn't have the same intonation of Ndi Igbo.

altitudee:
....the border between South Sudan and Ethiopia, the original language which Arabic language has super­seded is very similar to Ijebu dialect....Waddai

Wadai people are mostly in Chad

altitudee:
as much as i don't believe yoruba history & Ijebu history...some part of sudan speaks same language with the Ijebu in Nigeria and that is a fact...secondly path and place the settlers of Ijebu journeyed through have same similarity in language spoken

Where in Sudan speaks the same language as the Ijebu?

altitudee:
as much as i don't believe yoruba history & Ijebu history...some part of sudan speaks same language with the Ijebu in Nigeria and that is a fact...secondly path and place the settlers of Ijebu journeyed through have same similarity in language spoken

Where in Sudan speaks the same language with the Ijebu?

TayserMahiri:
All credit goes to the Ashanti. I will leave Ghanaians to answer your question but when you mention empires, Ashanti are up there. There is even a very famous artist called Ashanti

good thing you took a step back from that claim that Ashanti is greater than Benin. Yes Ashanti was a great empire and I am willing to admit that.
But until you find me a country that's named Ashanti, it's fair to say this conversation is over.