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What kind of thread is this?
Oh what perfect way to cause more divide.

Just30:
the cast majority of African doctors in the UK are Ghanaians. The vast majority of drug pushers of African decent are Nigerians

Yes, you are so correct because every other African communities are saints right?
Next time, back your claims with evidence and don't generalize. The NHS in the UK recruited 3,936 doctors from Nigeria while 383 were recruited from Ghana. This comparison is however irrelevant because these doctors are more valuable in Africa and African governments should use their logic and develop the health care systems in their country. There should be no reasons why African doctors should be offering their skills in Europe when many people in Africa desperately need them.
I'm aware that immigrants who partake in illegal activities abroad make Nigeria look bad, but there are many more Nigerians who are making history and having an impact in the world such as Bennet Omalu who discovered a degenerative disease known as CTE among athletes in America (The movie "concussion" was made in his honor), or Phillips Emeagwali, one of the pioneers of the internet.

We can't make ourselves look good while pulling others down. There are good and bad people everywhere.

There are good and bad people in every group, so to claim that all of these African immigrants are criminal is first of all ridiculous. Just because you don't like these immigrants does not give you the right to loot their businesses and kill them. Is there not a legal system in SA? You are free to voice your concerns, but the moment you start vandalizing, looting properties, and murdering people, you have become a criminal, the same thing you are branding these people as. Thus your claim is rather hypocritical. It's ironic because the ones that were looted and targeted are probably not drug dealers because they were actually making a living with the businesses they own. The vulnerable in any society get targeted because they make easy scapegoats to blame society's problems on. When will peace reign in Africa?

pazienza:
1. SE is not and have never been landlocked. Through Obuaku in Abia state, we have a direct access to the Atlantic through Imo river.

2. Igboland is not same as SE. we still have parts of Igboland in Delta state( Enu-ani and parts of Ika plus Ukwuani), Rivers state( Oyigbo, Egbema), Cross Rivers( Isobo in Obubra), Benue( Umuezekoha clan of Ezza/Izzi).

3. Igbos are currently living in Cameroun, USA,Canada, UK, RSA, Ghana. Is anything happening to them there? No.
Same way will Igbos who wish to live in Nigeria after Biafra actualization as foreigners will do, if they choose to.

4. The blueprint for the political organization of Biafra had already been laid out, go and get yourself enlightened here: https://www.nairaland.com/3656212/breaking-ipob-releses-biafra-fundamental#54153305
And stop talking on issues you know next to nothing about.

1. Imo river passes through SS (Akwa Ibom) before reaching the Atlantic. SE is completely enclosed by the South South and the North central. Point being that the SE doesn't touch the shores of the Atlantic, hence it's landlocked.

2. I'm well aware that Igboland extend beyond the SE. I didn't dispute that.

3. Choice is an interesting word you used there, but I hate to break it to you, that's not how secession work. Let me refer you to the India-Pakistan partition, Greek-Turkey population exchange, and many others. My point is that you may be dragging others who don't want to be part of Biafra with you, even though it might not be intended.

4. I've already read the manifesto, I just question some of the logistics of it. Everything looks ideal on paper, but reality can be deceiving. It's funny because the Urhobo, Itsekiri, and Isoko have a closer relationship with the Edo, but yet you included them in Biafra while you exclude Edo. Is it because you want their oil, and if they don't have oil, you have no use for them? The kinship that exist between them cannot be broken like that, keep trying tho. If the Ijaw were to leave Nigeria, why won't they want their own state where they can have full control of their resources, why should they share it instead with Biafra?

I can have questions regarding Biafra the same way you can express your desire for Biafra.

Favor99:
Keep Biafra to the 5 SE states, and believe me all Nigerians
will rally behind the Igbos and become Biafra supporters.
Cant you leave Nigeria without taking all of the oil with you?
Most of the oil they're taking with them is not on Igbo land. Istekiri are Bini/Yoruba
Uhrobo and Isoko are also Edoid. They are not Biafrans but they are Edoids. Igbos just want their oil,
thats why they left the Edoids in Edo state(that have no oil) but took the Edoids in Delta State that have oil.

Biafra can't be just the 5 SE states because it would be landlocked. How embarrassing will it to be completely surrounded by Nigeria and be paying taxes to Nigeria to export and import. Also, how will power be shared with other ethnic groups if they were to be included? Political marginalisation is one of the factors that caused Biafra, it would be ironic if the tables turn and the Igbos become the one marginalising other groups. Other groups will agitate for powers, because they'll say they have the oil. Yeah, political struggle will not end with the creation of Biafra. Oil is a curse to Nigeria, and it will remain a curse regardless of who controls it. Oh yeah let's not pretend that all SS or even all Igbos support the movement. How would you deal with dissent and opposition? What will happen to Igbos and others living outside of Biafra in Nigeria? These are important questions that I am curious to know, someone enlighten me.

Olu317:
I have heard about Eko Tedo in Osun State. But I haven't been there. Historical places are worth visiting. Conquer Ijebu ke?, One of the most dreaded Yoruba enclave, just like ILE IFE on the primacy of Yoruba traditions. Let Children of Edo who have no respect for Yoruba tradition because civilisation has taken over everything and exposed them to lies through the combination of British Colonialist, else, they would have tasted a bitter pill of punishment. They know Lagos isn't a child's play. KING Kosoko was so bitter and iron fisted When he ruled briefly. He was hated because he was a brutal man that he was throwing his maternal family lineage of his father's whom are Edo/Bini extraction loyal to Bini kingdom into lagoon.
Of course yes, I have seen many Yoruba extractions who are of diaspora in South and North America clinging so badly to Yoruba tradition. Yoruba tradition has a follower of more than 10,000,000 despite the fact that many of us are either Christians or Muslims. It is quite interesting to see the doggedness of that tradition. There is a strong reason Yoruba religion survived in those countries. You find these people so changed in Complexion due to their intermarriages with Caucasians/white yet they hold to their Tradition as Fish hold on to water( EJA LO NI BU) . YORUBA BLOOD ALWAYS SYNC....

You know another dreaded Yoruba kingdom was Owo (Ogho), literally founded on the border with Bini. Even with the close proximity, they were never conquered. They produced realistic sculptures similarly to that of Ife too. Bini imported some of their artworks and employed their craftsmen in their court because they valued their ivory carving skills. They even have the largest palace in all of Africa in the middle of the city.

I have actually been to Eko Onde a number of times. It's a nice town by a large lake. Many of the people there are skilled fishermen.

Olu317:
ASHIPA,that was even claimed to be a BINI Prince is doubtful. Such name didn't exist within the context of Bini names. And After King Ado, Gabbaro, Akinsemoyin, Then next was eletu Kekere , and Ologun kutere whose father was Yoruba man of Ilesha/Ijesha referred to Alaagba who married King Akinsemoyin's sister.

Ologun Kutere
Oba of Lagos
Reign c. 1780 - 1806
Predecessor Eletu Kekere
Successor Adele Ajosun
Born Ologun Kutere
Lagos
Died c. 1803
Lagos
Burial Benin
Issue Eshinlokun , Adele Ajosun , Akiolu, Olukoya, Olusi and Akitoye .
House Ado, Ologun Kutere
Father Alaagba
Mother Erelu Kuti



Facts don't lie.
Yoruba lineage is the lineage of king of lagos

On point! It's good to question the validity of some these historical claims. I'm not even sure about the validity of the origin of "Eko". There is a town in Osun State in the heart of Yorubaland called Eko-Ende. I often wonder how much influence The Benin had on Lagos. The so called subjects didn't even adopt their language. And how do you skip Ijebu and go conquer Isale Eko? The Ijebu people are literally on the buffer between Ondo people and Lagos and they swore that they were never conquered by the Benin, partly due to their massive Sungbo Eredo fortress.

In regards to the Oyo empire, they had one of the greatest influence in West Africa spanning four countries (Nigeria, Benin, Togo, Ghana). Many Fon, Ewe, and Many Gbe claim that their origin traces back to the Oyo. Even the Ga who are native to Accra share this claim.
And don't take my words for it , check this out from a Ghanaian. https://www.nairaland.com/950471/ewe-people-ghana-same-yoruba . This is what I like to call true influence.

Also, Who cares where the origin of the name "Yoruba" came from. We've made it ours and we've reclaimed it. I think it's remarkable that different people with varying customs and dialects can unify under a common banner. That's what I call human progress. A person from Atakpame in Togo can identify with a person from Ifon in the easternmost region even though they are two countries apart. Our lineage, culture, and most importantly history is what bound us together. Our identity transcend beyond artificial political boundaries. Yoruba blood is thicker than water. When many slaves in the Americas were being stripped of their identity, Yoruba culture prevailed. The culture is well and alive in Brazil, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago and many others. They practiced ifa, the religion, songs, and traditions. They even eat our beloved akara in Brazil, they called it acaraje from the words "akara" and "je." Even people with the littlest amount of Yoruba blood still embrace the culture. Our kinship and lineage span three continents. That's influence like no other.

erico2k2:
So what language do we promote in Nigeria , cos even the chinease promote English to help thier trades

Some Chinese children are taught English in school, but China promote its own language. School children in parts of Africa and America are learning Chinese. Chinese governments invest in their language. They even have partnerships with universities in Europe and America. Why is promoting our indigenous languages a negative thing? Promoting our indigenous language doesn't mean abandoning English. For your question about what languages we should promote in Nigeria, last I check there are over 500 languages in Nigeria alone. Maybe we should start with Pidgin or Igbo or Hausa or Yoruba or Edo or Efik. My point is every language in Nigeria should be promoted.

BornStunner1:
Who told you olokun is a yoruba word? Hahahaha

Yorubaland a landlocked land with no access to sea!

God forbid that Bini would use ifa....what useless stupid dirty ifa..
I spit on it.... Wat trash...

Keep peddling lies pray u dont drown on it

Hahahahaha TRASH!!

Olu- Lord or Owner
Okun- Ocean or Sea
Hence Olokun means Owner/Lord of the Sea

In regards to your claim of Yorubaland being landlocked, go take this interesting theory to the Ilaje, Ijebu, Awori, Anago or Ohori people.
Lagos State was not a desolate, uninhabitable place before the Benin rulers came. Just because the Benin Empire ruled Lagos does not mean that the people's identity changed. Similarly, just because the British ruled Nigeria, does not make Nigerians British. The Awori, Egba, Ijebu, and the distinct Egun/Ogu were the original inhabitants. The Egba in Otta, Awori in the center, Ijebu in the East, and Ogu/Egun in Badagry. Edo and Yoruba people have a historical relationship, so there is no need for divisive tribalism.

I wish for a day in Nigeria where people choose their leaders based on principles rather than ethnic or religious affiliation. When that day come, Nigeria will be a true federalist state free from the chains of tribalism and sectarianism.

It's all due to cultural differences. In the South, education is valued more. Many parents would not even allow their sons and daughters marry without having been to university first. Nigeria's literacy rate is currently at 60% and I recently learned that 50% of children in the NW and NE are out of school. While I'm not against religious education, it alone will not make you an engineer or doctor and it doesn't contribute to human development. Then again this is what you get when you don't live in a secular state or under a government that cares about education. Look at Libya, a predominantly Muslim country with 94% literacy rate. So, yes it can be done, if politicians stop being corrupt and Nigeria move towards a more tolerant secular society. But nothing is unlikely to change if people's mentality remains the same.

Instead of promoting our own indigenous languages, we are busy fighting over who speak the colonial masters' language the best. SMH colonial mentality still plague Africa.

lawani:
There was no central authourity in Ekiti in the past. This is why I said they had no unified identity pre Nigeria. All the communities held themselves separate and communities like Efon Alaaye are more of Ijesa. All the communities you mentioned in Ondo are more of Ijesa also, by dialect and history of many resident families. Then the Ijesa, Ife and etc are thesame as Ekiti by dialect. The Ijesa were better nation builders than the Ekiti who preferred to live in laid back and unambitious communities.

The Oyo are the largest group of Yoruba, controlling most of the big towns Ibadan, Ogbomosho, Ilorin, Osogbo, Offa and etc, all settled after the Oyo were dislodged from the North by Fulani jihadists. Ijebu and Remo together should be more than Ekiti even if you add up all the Ekitis together. Towns under the Ijebu are Ijebu Ode, Ijebu Igbo, Shagamu, Ikorodu, Epe and many others. The main Ekiti town is Ado, then there are Ikere, Efon Alaaye and etc. If you add up all the towns that were under Ijesha in the past, it would be Ilesa, Akure, Osogbo, Ipetu Ijesa, Ibokun, Esa Oke, Ido Osun and etc but Akure and Osogbo are out. Osogbo is dominated by Oyo though prominent families claim Ijesa origin while Akure has come into their own. Ijesas are sizeable in the diaspora. The Akoko are also in Edo and Ondo states, the Ikale are in Ondo too, Igbomina in Osun and Kwara with capital in Ila Orangun and etc. The Okun are in Kogi with towns like Kabba, Obajana and etc, Lokoja is also there but Lokoja was Oyo and not Okun. Lokoja is now like Lagos, a non indigenous town. If there is proper delineation, a new Ijesa state may add back old territories including Osogbo and Akure, places like Efon Alaaye, Ilaramokin and many Ondo parts speaking Ijesa may join too which will mean Ijesa will be more than Ekiti.

As it is presently Oyos are clearly more than Ekiti if not more than double, same with Ijebu with their spread in Lagos and Ogun states

I think we need to apreciate the diversity within Yoruba people. It may seem like Oyo is the largest, there are many people in Oyo state who aren't Oyo. In Oyo, there is Ibarapa in the South. The Onko (Oke Ogun) occupy half of the state's total landmass and 1/3 of the population. The Onko people are very distinct from the Oyo in their dialect with the use of the ch sound, which is rare among Yoruba dialects as well as additional nasal sounds. Large ancient settlements like Saki, Iseyin, and Kisi in Oyo are all Onko. Both the Ibarapa and Onko were once grouped under Ekun Otun province during the Oyo Empire. Ogbomosho, Oyo, Ibadan, and Ilorin are all considered Oyo, although with some very minor notable differences. Even in the Old Oyo days, they recognized these small differences.The dialect spoken in Oyo town was considered and I quote "purest." Towns like Ibadan, Fiditi and Iwo in Osun state were grouped under Epo division to distinguish them from Oyo, Ilorin, and Ogbomosho which were grouped in Ekun Osi province AKA Metropolitan Oyo. These minor differences are important because they stop us from generalizing or overlooking certain groups. Even though Ekiti and Okun are biding entities, these two groups are far from homogeneous. When you travel across Ekiti, you will notice these differences. For example, while related, the dialect spoken in Omuo is very different from the one in Ado. The Okun for example are further divided into Yagba, Owe, Oworo, Bunu, Ijumu, and Igbede. However, I feel like sometimes large groupings are helpful because they are more biding and unifying. You are a little correct about Lokoja being a "non-indigineous"(cosmopolitan) town, however we can't forget that the earliest settlers of Lokoja were the Oworo-Okun. Quarters like Felele and Otokiti are Oworo.


There seem to be a little confusion about the people living in Osogbo which I can help clarify. People tend to group Ibolo as Oyo. I understand why. Ibolos were once part of the Oyo empire. During that period, they were grouped under the Ibolo Province. Towns like Osogbo, Offa, Ede, Oyan, Ikirun, Ilobu, Okuku, Ejigbo are all Ibolo. Till today, Offa is regarded as more of a cultural capital than Osogbo. People have to understand that one of the main reasons why Osogbo gets more attention is due to its administrative role which has led to many other Yoruba groups to migrate there. The historical center of Osogbo is still primarily Ibolo though.

Nigerian politics have been dominated by the North for decades. You would think that since they've had all that political dominance for decades, they would use their influence to develop their region. The South is not perfect either but the difference is clear. Oh and why are Kwara, Kogi, and Benue states in the North? The British don't make the rules anymore, we have Nigeria and we should have administrative regions that reflect the people. Abeg, this isn't to insult the North, most of our politicians regardless of where they come from are corrupt and they couldn't care less for the people.

Nigeria is just too corrupt! If we take the money incentive from the politicians, then we might have selfless politicians who serve the people because they want to help, represent, and serve the people. There is no reason for a senator to be paid more salary than a whole American president (not including the separate allowances for cars and their wardrobe). These people live off taxpayer's money and still have the guts to steal the little money set for development of Nigeria, as if they are not paid enough while a common Nigerian strive to feed his family. They buy luxurious cars, but can't even fix the roads they drive them on. They buy luxurious homes, but still rely on generators. They want to diversify the economy from oil after decades There are other areas for economic growth like manufacturing and tourism, but no investors want to set up factories because of poor infrastructure and lack of electricity. No tourist want to come because of lack of security and the poor conditions of our national parks. These are all areas for employment which can create jobs for many of our youths. Unless we elect selfless leaders and remove the greedy and recycled politicians, change will never happen in Nigeria. True change starts from the people at the top, because true leaders set an example for others to follow.

PAPA AFRICA: Soap in Yoruba

Oshe or ose

Congrats. I wonder what the baby's name will be.

macof: Thanks a lot...you've been very helpful

glad to help anytime

It's amazing how many Christians are in Borno state. Out of 27 LGAs 18 northern and central lgas R dominated by the Kanuri muslim while the 9 southern lgas are inhabited by the christian dominated marghi and other small minorities. These 9 lgas are pushing for a new state called the Savanna state. Other regions that R christian dominated include mainly Gwari northern half of Niger state( southern half is mainly inhabited by the mainly muslim Nupe). Tangale in southern Gombe(form well over 25% of Gombe state pop. and R dominant in akko, biliri, Shangom, kaltungo & Balanga lgas- 5/11 tot LGAs). In Bauchi christian dominated lgas and groups are the sayawa in Taf Bal & bogoro, tangale in alkeleri and the afizere in toro. In fact the capital Bauchi and Gombe are cosmopolitan cities just like Kaduna and the religion is more of a 50/50. I can analyze other states if u guys want

Oil pollution is a big problem for Nigeria. The oil companies keep on exploring and exploiting just to get meet world's demand for energy and electricity. I wonder that even though nigeria is Africa's largest production of oil, countries like Mauritius and S.Africa are the largest consumption of energy and electricity in Africa and the government is able to meet demands. Remember this 2 countries R not oil producing countries. I understand S.Africa but Mauritus(a tiny island with a population of 1.3 million) consuming more energy than Nigeria(a country of roughly 170 million). Only 2 of our 6 referneries R still working and this 2 R working less than 40% capacity. We had to transport/export(using money) large amount of our crude oil to Niger to be refined(using money) , paid the marketers(using money) and then import it back to Nigeria(using money). At the end of the day all U get is subsidy and plenty of tax.The little profit the nation made of exporting to other foreign nations will be use as pocket money 4 many gov. Officials leading to corruption. In all of OPEC countries, Nigeria is the only country where oil is the most expensive. I heard oil was discovered in Lagos recently. 2 years from now U will find the bloody, dirty oil infesting the lagoon waters of Lagos. Nigeria should learn from Ghana with 70% of its energy coming from that one dam in the lake Volta and Ghana was able to export electricity to neighboring Togo. U guys remember that plane that had to made an emergency landing in Togo because there was no light at the MM int. airp in Lagos. And U remember the 3 fisherman from The Niger Delta that sued Shell for polluting their fishing grounds, I was a little disappointed when they lost. Nigeria should learn from when the U.S sued BP billions of dollars and not only did they have to clean up their oil mess, they also have to give billions of dollars in compesation for the people living in the areas that was affected. More Work needs to be done about the enviromental pollution and finding more altanative renewable energy source. I am not totally against oil but I am against wastefulness , pollution and corruption. Nigeria as a whole is a beautiful country from the start but gradually tearing apart due to bad governance.

Christian to Muslim to muslim ratios:
Kwara- 45:55
Niger- 35:65
Kaduna- 40:60
Plateau- 80:20
Nassarawa- 50:50
Kogi- 60:40
Ekiti- 70:30
Oyo- 50:50
Borno- 20:80
Abuja- 50:50
Ondo- 65:35
Lagos- 50:50
Osun- 50:50
Benue- 95:5
Ogun- 50:50
Adamawa- 50:50
Taraba- 55:40
Bauchi- 30:70
Gombe- 30:70

macof: Pls can anyone help me with the Yoruba word for:
Emotion(am thinking iwa-okun)
Greed
Hope
Physical
Representation/representative
Courage/determination
Fear(as in to be afraid of someone/something)
Hate


[i]Pls can anyone help me with the Yoruba word for:
Emotion(am thinking iwa-okun)
Greed
Hope
Physical
Representation/representative
Courage/determination
Fear(as in to be afraid of someone/something)
Hate


[/i]Pls can anyone help me with the Yoruba word for:
Emotion(am thinking iwa-okun)
Greed
Hope
Physical
Representation/representative
Courage/determination
Fear(as in to be afraid of someone/something)
Hate
And also is there any other name of colours cause I know ewe, pupa, dudu, awo, funfun.

Emotion= iwa okan or iwa inu
Greed= okanjua
Hope= ireti
Physical= taratara
Courage= igboya(opposite is ifoya)
Fear= iberu
Hate= ainife
Colour= awo
Red= pupa
White= funfun
Black= dudu
Blue= olomiaro
Yellow= ayanrin
Silver(colour)= ofefe
Silver(mineral)= fadaka
Orange= olomiosan
Green= ewe

I'm new here..... In this world there is a lot of language borrowing and standardization in case of Latin and many European languages- for example goat in Yoruba is ewure and for Igbo is ewu