₦airaland Forum

DieDieDieOmenka:
oga Ijaws own ondo and there's nothing you can do about it stop pouring spits everywhere like typical afonja coward.
Truth is mine
Truth is talking
Truth has spoken
kiss the truth

Don't you think "own" is a bit of a stretch.

YonkijiSappo:
Not really.
The Origins, Range and even members of the Gur languages are quite unclear, however some languages fit in more than others.



One mistake you are making is thinking all people who are grouped together as belonging to the same language group must all share the same DNA marker, that is not right. People only develop a unique marker after settling down in an area for Hundreds upon hundreds of years and intermarrying closely within that population. Over time they become unique and will be able to show markers that can strongly be associated with that particular population.
The classification of the Gurs show that they belong to the Voltaic-Adamawa-Ubangui languages which is quite wide ranging/extensive.
Not all groups have had enough time to develop in relative isolation to bear their own markers.

Yes I completely understand, but I think it's wrong to claim that a specific marker is exclusively tied to one ethnic group. There was a Liberian who got 91% Ghana/Ivory Coast, but that doesn't make him Akan, even though many Akan also score high in the area. It is possible that the ethnic groups in that area share similar ancient ancestry, and have not develop a unique marker. It would be wrong to claim that the reason why a Kru person could have that high of a percentage of Ghana/Ivory Coast, is because of the intermixing with Akan. It could have been that that both used to bee one group that separated a long time ago.

YonkijiSappo:
Gur is just a language group that don't have their own unique markers. Theya re also very widely spread.

Look at the location of Gur language speakers below

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Gur_languages.png/300px-Gur_languages.png

Like i said they are a combination of the Mali ancestral region and the Ghana-Ivory Coast or Benin-Togo region in terms of ancestry.
Why don't you buy it? All people are a mx of more than one region, just that degree of admixtures vary from some showing 80-90% for one region (like Congolese or Beninese people), and others being more admixed with neighboring distinct zones (Like Nigerians).

Linguistic evidence would suggest that Gur, like any other West African language branch evolved independently, so why would Gur be mixed from already existing Malian and Ghana/Ivory Coast group or Togo/Benin group.

ezeagu:
That was my argument, although the original comment was pertaining to the groupings of the ancestral populations and how the company could easily make a eastern Nigeria or Bight of Biafra category by finding strong common ancestral markers and attributing those markers to the eastern Nigeria area. This way you would have an Igbo person presumably scoring high Bight of Biafra ancestry, over 80%, like Fon people have high Benin/Togo.

If go back in the thread you will see I posted that Igbo AA result.

Yeah I see but it's confusing with the Fulani/Hausa. Where did that come from? It would be nice to know what markers they are associating with each country or ethnic group.

YonkijiSappo:
Yes it is a Gbe marker. All of the Southern half of Benin, Togo, Badagry Area (Lagos West) and Ghana's volta region is originally ancestrally settled by Gbe speaking Groups of Africans, except parts of Eastern and Central Benin that Have Yoruba speaking groups, which I guess are also very much mixed with the Gbe speaking people. Yorubas cover a very large geographical range, hence they will show a similarly wide range of results. I can't imagine an Ilaje man that have had hundreds of years of contact with Urhobos, and Ijaws having the same result as someone from Atakpame that have mixed with Gbe speakers and even some Gur speakers like Akpossos and Kotokolis.
There are Mande and Gur in Benin and Togo like you said, but they are the Northern groups there.
These DNA categories have to be named something, and I guess they chose Benin-Togo aand other such country names because that is what most people can connect with in today's world. They could have as well named it "Dahomean" or "Oueme river valley" or "Gbe Ancestry". But the main point is that we know which people the ancestry is reflective of. Most Gur for example are majorly a mix of Mali and either Benin-Togo or Ivory coast-Ghana with smaller trace regions.

That would mean that Gur speakers would be half Mali and half Akan or Gbe which I don't by. Most West Africans look alike, so the admixture is not that strange. Regardless, the admixture is archaic for groups in Eastern Nigeria to still have traces of Benin/Togo.

ezeagu:
Lower Niger Valley is general southern Nigeria.

Benin/Togo showing up in Igbo results means it's an ancestral marker that's similar between the two, this would mean that the B/T pop. would have had to either split and influenced the Igbo pop. or there was a more recent influence of B/T in the Igbo population which historical there isn't much in terms of contract with the Yoruba talk less of Fon people and if there was whether now or in ancient times then there's no way there wouldn't be a backwash into the B/T area. The fact that the Urhobo/Yoruba girls is coming up with high Nig. is also suspicious. Also Ivory Coast/Ghana shows up as a little or significant in many Igbo results while Senegal comes up in Yoruba.

This isn't even considering the fact the Sierra Leone and Liberia are not tested.

Benin-Togo having high frequency in Nigeria is not a result of intermixing, because if that was the case it would be consistent and still be occurring till today and all the cultures in the region would be very very similar. But that's not the case. There are over a dozen language branches and hundreds of distinct ethnic groups in the region.

A better theory is that since most of the languages and cultures in West Africa had a common ancestor, it's not too strange to see that overlap. The overlap in DNA, would be of the shared origin, rather than the exchange of DNA through intermixing. It's important to raise suspicion and question the test's accuracy. Ancestry DNA also have the disclaimer that they are aware that their DNA testing isn't always going to be accurate which is why they give ranges as well. They also update their data frequently which may cause in one's percentages to fluctuate.

I found this Liberian man who got an overwhelmingly high "Ghana/Ivory Coast" percentage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnZraslnNK8

It's interesting because I found an Igbo man with a very high "Nigeria" marker. In the second video, he tested his maternal ethnicity, only to be told he was Hausa, Fulani and Tikar. Lol This is why I think it's good to question the accuracy of some of these geneology companies. Geneology has lead the way in the 21st century, but there is still a lot of room for improvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6aXVjTGsdc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_dAfxRy6no&list=PLm2A_Jdbg98ipInq4VHsTAwORd0OWgF87

YonkijiSappo:
Yes, Yorubas in Benin-Togo will show both Nigeria and Benin-Togo. Some will show more Benin Togo than Nigeria, especially those who have extensive Ewe-Fon admixture.
Those labels are not to be taken literally. For example, another and more proper word for "Benin-Togo" would be GBE ANCESTRY, While "Nigerian" should be more like "Aboriginal Eastern Niger valley area".

There are people who can trace their origin to a particular ethnic group hundreds of years back without trace of ethnic mixing and they will still show up for multiple regions. It's not necessarily as a result of Yoruba-Gbe admixture. What makes Benin/Togo a marker for Gbe ancestry? They are not the only ethnic group in that region. There are also distinct groups like Gur and Mande in Benin and Togo, as well as parts of Nigeria. Thousands of years ago there wasn't Gbe or Yoruba. I believe the dna mixes we see now is just a result of human movements and interactions that occurred a long time ago since the ethnic distinction thousands of years ago wasn't as strong. In the common era, people started forming more distinct identities and are less likely to intermix. However, the ancient admixture still remains even after ethnic boundaries were set. If there was an admixture like you said, it probably happened thousands of years ago and not between the modern ethnic groups we are aware of today.
Although not perfect, I would prefer generic terms like Aboriginal Eastern Niger Valley from an African or anthropological perspective. However, Ancestry DNA targets the American perspective since most Americans usually struggle to distinguish between African countries yet alone distinguish the different ethnic entities.

YonkijiSappo:
kiki, yes some Yorubas might have more Benin Togo than Nigerian, but some also have more Nigerian than a lot of Igbos or Hausas (check the result series I posted above). Yes, Yorubas are of course closer to Ewes and Fons compared to other Nigerian tribes, that is no rocket science.
They even have intertwined histories for example.

I question Ancenstry dna because of its country breakdown. We all know that countries are artificially created by the Europeans. Also, there are native Yoruba in Benin and Togo. Are they suppose to have a higher Nigerian percentage because they are Yoruba?

naijaking1:
You are correct about similar circumcision practices worldwide. I also know that there a few other Hebrew - like cultures in the West African sub region that may be even more related to Igbos than today's European Jews, but when those groups are ready, they will notice their own particular Hebrew idiosyncrasy.

Glad you understand. Human origin does traces its source to Africa, so we did learn and evolve from one another. We can't throw away our identity just because we want to assimilate.

midfinger:
Mr I can see through your mind-play here u trying so hard to dispel any sort of relationship between igbos and Jews.U are just wasting your time! U mind backing this claim of the ethnic groups that do circumcision on the 8 day as Igbos ?

This is where context comes to play. Is the circumcision consider as the first covenant with God? Do you mark the mitzvah at 13 years old?
I also made a disclaimer in my original post that I can't control people's wishes and I'm just stating my opinion. Anyways, I don't care anymore. You are free to reclaim your lost identity.

naijaking1:
I got you
That idea has been advanced to possibly explain the very similar traditional practices of the Igbo vs Hebrew culture, such as circumcision and the day of performance, week days, number system, belief in One main God, inheritance, and even penalty and sacrifice. The similarities were just too many to be ignored or called a coincidence.

Male circumcision is practiced by hundreds of ethnic groups across the world. The idea of one God exists in other cultures too, it's not limited to Abrahamic beliefs alone. Religious sacrifice is practiced by lots of ethnic groups in Southern Nigeria, Benin, Togo, Cameroon, etc. I can speak on those similarities. I'm not well versed in the similarities in inheritance, number system and calendar.

If you look carefully, there are numerous overlapping similarities across cultures around the world. Correlation doesn't equal causation necessarily. Humans tend to think alike.

naijaking1:
Ashkanezes are very modern compared to the rather long history of Jews.
If Igbos have any relationship with Jews, it's probably because Jews came from Igbo, and the other way round.
And if the Sahara used to be thickly inhabited, you can understand how a civilization could spread from west to north Africa.

I don't follow. I thought Abraham was the father of the Jews who migrated west to Israel from Ur, Mesopotamia. I'm aware of the Ashkenazi. I also mentioned the Mizrahi, many whom continued to live in Jerusalem after it was destroyed.

I won't mind corrugated iron roofing as long as every street is tidy and paved. Corrugated iron roofing can actually look nice with paved streets and proper urban planing. It adds to the vintage or historical element of a town or a city.

This needs to stop. This is just an attempt by the ultra Zionists to subjugate Igbo people. It's well known that Israel has been trying to expand their Jewish population and presence in Israel against the Palestinians.

Igbo people should be proud of their historical achievement and not be fixated with the Zionist mission to distort your history and culture. First the British, now the Zionists. Archeological evidence suggests that the first iron casters in the world likely came from Ala Igbo based on the iron slags and furnaces at Lejja dating back to 2000 BC and Opi to 800 BC. This laid the foundation for Igbo Ukwu bronze work in the 8th and 9th century. Igbo people also used Nsibidi, which is one of the few indigenous African writing which could date back to 2000 BC. Let's not forget states like Nri and Arochukwu.

Don't be fooled by tales of the promise land flowing with milk and honey because the reality is different today. Israel today is filled with division caused by hatred and social stratification and aggregated by violence and extremism. Not all Jews are treated the same. First of all, there are Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Beta Israel, and Indian Jews.

The first class Jews known as Ashkenazi are European Jews that survived the Holocaust and they control much of the government since the British partition in 1947. The next class is the Sephardic Jews whose ancestors left Spain. The third class is the Mizrahi Jews, which are the native Jews since many of them never left Jerusalem even after after it was destroyed by the Romans. And last, the bottom of the bottom, the Ethiopian Jews (Beta Isreal) and Indian Jews who are discriminated against because Zionist hardliners do not recognize them since they are apparently too dark to be Jewish. There are schools run by Ashkenazis that won't even accept a black Jew. There are segregated neighborhoods based on different sects of Judaism. Being a Messianic Jew is not even a compromise, because you are still discriminated against.

While knowing that there is racism in their country, the hardliners are faced with a dilemma because at the same time they need more Jews to off balance the demographics between them and the Palestinians, because as of right now it's 50-50. So they scavenge the world on their quest to find the lost tribes of Israel.

While I cannot control someone's wishes, this is just something that I need to say.

Olu317:
The bottom line I am drawing here isn't about YORUBA as being EGYPTIANS but at one time did lived in that territorial landscape. This is just a reference to buttress my claim that Yoruba had lived with these set of people over 800 years or more for them to actually be able to pick certain percentage of our language. And not thousands of years as some wicked book sellers/ Historians always have claimed which is used emotionally to be attached to Odua personage to sell their books respectively. My reason to posit this is using a country like BÉNIN REPUBLIC which is a country with a trilingual background. Fon,Yoruba are spoken and French inclusive . The three languages as major spoken languages in an interwoven way if you have knowledge of these people. Despite the intricacies of these sub groups, each knows where it belongs,no matter how much of borrowed words from each other's group. Beside, Yoruba language wasn't too long ago developed because so many borrowed words such as Egyptians, Bantus, Semitic (Arab words, ancient Israel words ) exist in Yoruba Language. So, Ibo language as a case study in comparison is older through a research on “Phonetic Clues Hint Language Is Africa-Born”By NICHOLAS WADE, which identify Ibo language as ancient Egyptian language. And this simply mean it is older than Yoruba language with more archaic ancient words that were once spoken in Egypt being present in their language.

I don't think we have much in disagreement. I believe Yoruba is very archaic. I just hate the Egyptocentric theories on different West African languages which I think is irrelevant in language comparison. I've seen many of these theory that links Yoruba with Hebrew or Egyptian and I feel strongly against it. This is simply pseudoscience and it's an attempt to diminish the value of a language and culture by attaching or relating its existence to another.

Olu317:
The point is quite consequential because, having closely related or borrowed words from one group and the other doesn't necessarily mean they are from the same family tree. Igala /Ebira / ibos/ Edos (except few elements) etc were not from Yoruba family tree. These people once had contact with Yoruba through a well organised State and towns which in absolute term was as a result of wealth creation. Many of these groups were once used as workers in husbandry work and slaves forms in ancient Yoruba setting. If you so claimed same descendants with Yoruba, then how come Yoruba developed a chain praise family panegyric. Even in the panegyric, each family status is acknowledged. Can you explain reason for this?

Yes, they are not descendants from Yoruba family tree. The languages including Yoruba all had a non-Yoruba proto or common ancestor thousands of years ago. If a language share similar words with another language, it's either a result of borrowing or the language having diverged from an original source or both. This is why Linguists don't just rely on similar words alone to determine relationship. Phonology, sentence structure, and grammatical features can also be used to determine.

When you brought up Egyptian sharing words with Yoruba as an analogy, I dismissed that, not because you are wrong, but because it was the wrong analogy. Yoruba uses tone which is very important to determine meaning, and Egyptian doesn't. So any shared words would be a coincidence and rather irrelevant in meaning. Egyptian also uses gender grammar, meaning that words have feminine and masculine forms depending on the context. This is also foreign to Yoruba. In fact Egyptian and Hausa are more related because they are afroasiatic since they have not only similar archaic cognates, but also certain features such as the gender factor and conjugation.

All the groups you listed exist simultaneously and did not derived from each other. It's clear that they are not from the Yoruba family tree, but a more archaic stock that's older than Yoruba. The panegyric element of Yoruba is a result of the culture that Yoruba developed.

oyinkinola:
.....I totally disagree, if you hear felicia or james you know am talking about christian!

I stand by with what I've said, but whatever makes you happy.

Olu317:
Does this startled you? Perhaps you aren't conversant with Yoruba history. Do you even know Yoruba is the most researched ethnicity in the world? Yoruba ethnicity may not know much about the outside western world's curiosity and her researches being carried on them because of nonchalant approach from us. You doubt? Read Olumide Lucas' book on “The religion of the Yoruba"(1948). Honestly, being more widely read on a subject matter helps so much, that it won't be a shock once you or I find something quite revealing. One of the major detriment to many of us is as a result of non fixation on the area of specialisation. Hence, little knowledge is acquired on such subject matter. Thousands and thousands of books have been written on Yoruba history by Caucasians and the other like mind researchers.

Mentioning the Egyptian is irrelevant in this matter. I think that's what he was referring to. This is between Igala and Yoruba. It's well known that the two languages diverged a long time ago. They have the same ancestral stock, but are now different languages.

oyinkinola:
....do you know yoruba very well? do you know my sister is felicia and my uncle is james, my aunt is deborah!
keep away there!

And Felicia is not a Christian name, but rather a Latin derived name from "felix" simply meaning happiness. Also James is an English name that is derived from the new testament lakobos in Greek, which was used to address Ya'aqov (Jacob). Deborah is a name from Hebrew meaning "bee." If you look carefully, many Christian names or bible names are just basic names without any deep etymology context. The religious value placed on the name is formed from the biblical character who carries the name. Many Yoruba names already have certain prefixes that are often dropped for the sake of simplicity such as "Oluwa." Must one have a English, Greek, Latin, or Hebrew derived names to have a Christian name?

bigfrancis21:
I've always concurred with this. This is an area that further linguistic studies need to be performed on. Standard Igbo has 36 letters of the alphabet and this is only for 'light' dialects like Onitsha, Enuani etc. Complex Igbo dialects like Ngwa, Ikwerre, Abiriba etc. have way more letters in their speech form, for example 'wh' (owho/ofo), 'nh' (inhe/ife) etc.) that could be up to 40 or 45 as the case may be.

Yeah so called "standard language" is often based on more simplified versions of the language. I guess it's alright because it's easier to learn.

bigfrancis21:
Ya I agree with you except that Igboid diversion would probably be the earliest or first given the complexity of Igbo compared to the more easier Yoruba.

Igbo and Yoruba are definitely related. I also see the usage of 'o' in both languages as pronouns. For example, he/she has come in Igbo would be 'o biala', which would be similar in Yoruba too.

O na-abia - he/she is coming.

Please give us some examples of similar usages in Yoruba starting with the 'o' pronoun.

Yeah a lot of words are related. I learned that the word for mud "potopoto" is the same in both languages with the soft p renunciation in Igbo.
Okuko is Igbo word for chicken and it's also very similar to Akuko in Yoruba, but in Yoruba it's rooster.

There is also this pattern that I have noticed in some of the verbs.
English Igbo Yoruba
To lay eggs yie ye
To cook sie se

I've noticed similarities between Ebira and Yoruba as well, some words are exactly the same. This is no surprise because Igbo, Ebira, Igala, Gbagyi, Edo, Nupe, Idoma and Yoruba are all part of the Volta-Niger branch so many of the features are similar.

I think your theory is very interesting about the complex phonology and the early divergence of Igbo. If I'm not mistaken, there are 34 letters (8 vowels, 27 consonants) in Igbo but standard Yoruba has 25 letters. Standard Yoruba is based off the Western dialects, especially that of Oyo, but Eastern and Central dialects of Yoruba tend to have more complex phonology and letters. They tend to preserve more of the proto-Yoruba or Proto-YEAI phonology/features. Central Yoruba and Eastern Yoruba dialects have 9 vowels and many letters that aren't found in Standard Yoruba such as gw and gh. On the contrary many western Yoruba dialects have the ch sound, which is absent in Standard Yoruba. Any Yoruba dialect could have more or less between 25 to 31 letters. Even though Yoruba is pretty much mutually intelligible, the disparity in complex phonology is one of the factor that affects mutual intelligibility in the continum. For example, an Akure person can understand an Ijesha dialect better than an Ondo dialect.

Anyway, it seems like the further East you go, the more complex the phonology gets which does play into that theory that the languages diverged in an area near the Niger-Benue confluence.

Probz:
Some Enugu communities border with Idoma and have a little Idoma and Igala mix up and dialect (Enugwu Ezike/Nsukka peeps) but that's as far as it goes. They're their own tribe.

Ok this is starting to seem educational. I have a question about the Ika, Anioma, Ikwerre, and ukwani people? Are they Igbo (honest question) and is there a level of mutual ineligible with Southeastern Igbo?

Probz:
That's right. How mutually intelligible are Igala and Yoruba languages?

I have spoken to a few Igala before. I don't know the exact percentage or if it varies by different Yoruba groups. I can understand about a third of an Igala speech if I listen carefully enough.

Probz:
Kogi State probably stands out more than any other Nigerian state in its own unique way. I know it borders 9 states (10 including Abuja/F.C. territory), represents the main kind of ethnic groups in the whole of Nigeria (the northern/Hausa-inclined, Yoruba and Igbo + the likes of Idoma) and that the main three tribes are Igala, Okun (a Yoruba subgroup) and Igbira/Ebira. Anyone know if the case of Okun is similar to Ika/Ukwuani/Ikwerre (mere subgroups of an overarching tribe who have dissociated and don’t see themselves as Yoruba or Igbo) and what’s the case of Igala people speaking Yoruba in addition to their Yoruboid language, etc.?

Yes I see where you are coming from. The name "Okun" comes from the way Yoruba groups in Kogi greet each other. Okun is an umbrella term term for Yagba, Bunu, Owe, Ijumu, and Oworo people and yes they are Yoruba through the dialect continuum and the shared origin/mythology. As for a comparison with Ika/Ukwani/Ikwerre, I can only think of the Itsekiri. Although their dialect is similar to the Ilaje and Ikale dialects of Ondo state, they've maintained their distinction from Yoruba people. Some of their culture bear resemblance to Bini due to proximity/history similarly to Ika and others.
Yes Igala people are distinct, even though there are similarities between the two languages.

zykson:
'Oworos'? They ain't really Okuns they just speak a language similar to Yorubas and are in the western part of the state alongside Okuns.

I thought they identify as Okun.

Ehhh another one, I thought underage marriage was illegal in Nigeria. Today they marry children old enough to be their grandchildren, tomorrow they kidnap a teenager, force her to convert and then hide behind the walls of their kings. BTW, this is one of Boko Haram best known practices just saying. This is no surprise because some of their politicians and beloved emirs practice the same thing. Many so call authoritative figures who don't live by example. There should be one legal system for every Nigerian.

I often wonder why the illiteracy figure is so high in the country. Here you have it, the source of illiteracy and many of the problems that plague Nigeria. Child marriage means a child is forced out of school. The parents of the child usually will sell out their child to an older man with the highest bidding price. The child may not even know that her destiny is already determined or she's getting married until the day of the wedding. While the child sobs on her wedding day, her family and the family of the groom wipe her tears, assuring her that she will eventually learn to love the man. Keep in mind that the child would already have gone through FGM before getting married to ensure that she is "pure" for her husband.

Child marriage is why many of these girls (*ahhhem children) develop fistula, since they cannot physically carry a baby in their womb (I wonder why). Complications develop from childbirth can be severe and result in reduction of the bladder or stillbirth. There are cases where some of these children are trapped in labour for a week because the pelvis could not expand enough for the baby to come through. The complications that develop from childbirth causes holes in their organs meaning that some of them cannot control their urine or even feces. So how does society see these children? Well, witches or cursed or something. Ironically these girls are cast aside by their family and ostracize by the same society that forced them to get marry in the first place.

23 states have taken steps to ban child marriage, but somehow 13 Northern states haven't. The rate of child marriage is 76% in NW so while this one case garner a lot of attention, the issue is more prevalent. There are too many religious fanatics who are so ignorant. Don't make religious or cultural arguments to support this inhumanity. Cultural practices change and evolve, simple! This is why infanticide is seen as a crime in today's society, but it was practiced by some communities back in the days. As for the religious argument, must you marry and destroy the future of a child before you can please your God. Education can get you anywhere, even space is not the limit. Lack of education will only get you garri and groundnuts (extreme poverty).

PresidentRich:
Greedy Land Grabbers' Club (yoruba) when has Benin become included into Yoruba's territory?
afonjas scavenging for oil.
URHOBO And ISTEKIRI DON'T Have Anything to do with Yoruba,both in culture and in language. I no there are few Yoruba speaking folks in warri but that's not enough reason to claim the whole of WARRI.
You are setting a scene of putting Lagos in a contentious state if you extend your boundaries to South-South.

You've misunderstood me. You should know that by Benin, I'm referring to The Benin republic, the country right? I listed the original Yoruba cities in that county. We are the second largest ethnic group there and no I wasn't referring to Edo people or Delta people. I was only referring to Yoruba people outside of Nigeria in Benin republic and Togo. As for the South-south, I can respect their sovereignty, they are clearly not Yoruba, so carry on.

Mathemagician1:
Bullsh*t!!!!!! Yorubas supported GEJ because they had no candidate contesting. Yorubas have always voted along tribal line since independence, go figure. How come they didn't vote Buhari for 3 consecutive times until a Yoruba man had the chance to cling the VP seat.

Don't even mention Pastor Tunde Bakare. Yorubas couldn't afford to give up the seat of PRESIDENT for a VP seat so they simply picked the bigger pie in 2003 when they supported an Obasanjo they once rejected and campaigned against. Why didn't they vote Buhari then since they love him so much? That's the Yoruba man for you.

Yorubas are the most tribalistic voters ever. True federalism will only happen if Nigerians Yorubas stop thinking along sectarian and tribal lines.

I don't need to mention Tunde Bakare, you already did.

It's not a matter of love as a matter of who can do the job better with the choices given. You can make the argument that the choices were different in 2003. The fact that Yoruba voted for someone from their own which could also be tribalistic. Are any other group not tribalistic? No ethnic group is immune to tribalism, which is why I said Nigerians in general are tribalistic. Everyone want a slice of the pie at the cost of principles.

Bitterleafsoup:
My Dear I am supporting him and am 100% Igbo. Anything is pass Buhari sef. Will I support him 2019, maybe. OBJ put alot of Igbos in position, did they do anything for our people nahhhh!

I will support who supports Igbos on the ground with development in Igboland. I don't care what group you start, no development no support period.

Thank you! Yoruba and Igbo people tear each other apart over the littlest things while many Northern politicians watch and make their get away with little resistance.

oludamolaBlackP:
A Yoruba elder statesman has called for urgent restructuring of the country, insisting that Nigeria will likely collapse if steps are not taking to restructure

- Adebanjo also claimed that some radical Yoruba people had already drawn up the map of Oduduwa republic

- He also noted that the Yoruba people cannot be suppressed from demanding for Yoruba Republic for long unless restructuring takes place

Chief Ayo Adebanjo, a leading Yoruba elder statesman has called for the restructuring of Nigeria as a matter of urgency because all factors in the country point to disintegration.

According to him, the Yoruba nation is ready to break away because some radicals among them has gone far to the extent of drawing a map of the proposed Oduduwa republic.



more and photo via
http://blackpenng..com.ng/2017/03/have-you-seen-map-of-proposed-oduduwa.html

Ilorin is only one town and the people still retain their Yoruba culture all these years, even more so than some from Lagos. Yet these Fulani converse in Yoruba and many even identify as Yoruba. Even the emir converse in Yoruba. You can't even tell some Fulani from Yoruba due to assimilation, so Yoruba culture has conquered. Ilorin is in Yoruba sphere, so your assertion is quite false. Only non-yoruba seem to be making such claims. Let people from Kwara speak for themselves. Yoruba kinship is stronger than what you think. If centuries of slavery in the Americas didn't destroy the lineage and kinship, what makes you think that the Fulani will?

Mathemagician1:
Count the great Igbos out of any support for Osinbade. We DO NOT support Osinbade or any other Yoruba political candidate. Kindly desist from involving us in your politics.

The Yoruba man is not a friend of the Igbos, we have not forgotten how the Yorubas supported every ill treatment meted on us through their actions and utterances.

Just in case the North decides to wield the big stick against their Yoruba partners, the great Igbo nation shall maintain their stance as a neutral observer of the political royal-rumble between the SW and the North.

Let's not forget that Yoruba backed GEJ instead of Buhari in 2011. Without any tangible change, they flipped their support for Buhari in 2015. However there is still no change so they'll likely back a different candidate in 2019. So who's more neutral now?
If only people elect leaders based on principles irregardless of tribal affiliation. True federalism will only happen if Nigerians stop thinking along sectarian and tribal lines.

If we are completely honest, our territory extend beyond Nigeria to parts of Togo and Benin. Let's not forget that Awon Omo Oduduwa reside in those countries as well. Three of the original kingdoms, Ketu, Popo and Sabe are in Benin republic. We have a plan B.