₦airaland Forum

sherlock229:
Yeah that maybe correct since iwo ẹlẹru is stated to be different from modern day yoruba, so it's an archaic human different from all modern day humans.

Why'd you add the trust me bro clause to my comment? Then proceed to agree with me? My claims are backed up by scholars and by science not by my opinion although it is possible that the middle belt could have the actual location of the oldest habitation in Nigeria seeing as multiple scholars claim it is the source of all modern day ethnic groups in Nigeria and with the Nok culture and all they could be right

DoggoneDogg:
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Urhobo is an offshoot of Bini. Yes or No??

No, Urhobo are their own unique ethnic group if anything they'd be the child of both Igbo and Bini people

DoggoneDogg:
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All I know is Afonja & Bini are one. Nothing consign me with who born who.

They aren't one if they were one they'd speak the same language, wear the same clothes and have the same traditional religion but they have none of the above mentioned criterias if you believe Yoruba and Bini are the same then so are Igbo the same all of those groups have a linked ancestry the languages are similar and share common words and are all located in a similar geographical range and climate

vaxx:
ifa is a sacred of 256 odu"" pls refer me into any odu that maybe I am unaware of and it is made mentioned.
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Refer me to any Yoruba folklore that talks about it don't just suggest.

Ifa practice is a universal among the Yoruba. The tradition remain the same in oshogbo as it is abeokuta.

Odu Ifa is made up of 256 Odu you're right but within each Odu there is more then 100 000 or even 1 000 000 verses worth of information so in total it could be 256 000 to 256 million verses of information and the average babalawo memorizes about 1000 from each verse so how are you able to know more then 256 000 to 256 million verses of information?

Ifa practice may be universal but the stories and beliefs vary for example there are different deities in different areas and some areas even have special Ifa societies like the Ijebu have the Osugbo but the Egba have Ogboni

Same way some mythologies say Oduduwa is male others say Oduduwa is female and some even say Oduduwa is genderless so as a say the beliefs and practices vary from group to group

DoggoneDogg:
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Okagbare is Edo which is where Afonjas originated from before cowardice & betrayal poisoned their blood.

Afonja Ajoka!

How did Yoruba originate from Edo? It's the other way around and depending on which area of Edo we're talking about there is also Igbo ancestry

vaxx:
Then if the so called babalawo is a trained Nigerian babalawo, he will have know better. I repeat no part of odu ifa mentioned or emphasised on lesbians or LGBT. It is not in anyway recorded. So his practiced is not known or forbidden even if at all it exist . It is either two ways. No aspect of Yoruba life that ifa didn't talk about as humanity is concern .

Aadufuro is an open word and can be misapply by whoever wish but the fact remain, it is not about woman to woman ( that is excluded) so if you mean , it is a man to man, you will have to substantiate with evidence .


1 .from any of the odu ifa( the only sacred knowledge of the Yoruba .

2. A known or folklore history that talks about it. Yoruba are the kind of people who are known to put their practice into folklore or moon night tales inorder to secured the knowledge or existing information .


A good example from each of this will put a yes to your assumption.

Nobody knows the whole odu ifa different people learn different parts of it for you to claim that there is no part of the odu ifa that mentions such when it is impossible to know it all shows your knowledge is already flawed

There are folklores of it i've read a few stories here and there especially involving Yemoja, Osun, Oya, Ogun and Orunmila and as you should know different groups have different religious views the ifa practice of the Egba can be different from the one of the Ijebu and vice versa

Shma2020:
Don't confuse economy and infrastructure. Pics will speak volume than empty talks. I don't need to go to egypt to prove that Egyptian cities will one day be the most developed in africa. I just need pics backed up with projections stats.

You claimed they were as fast as Asian tigers in growth unless that was rvp in any case someone made a claim on economy and not infrastructure so i'm still waiting for evidence for said claim on economic growth

rvp2018:
Nairobi: The fastest city on the planet?

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/nairobi-fastest-city-africa/index.html

CNN Richard Quest travels the world - and he could not exclaim - and say - NAIROBI is WORLD FASTEST GROWING CITY.

Anyone who comes to Nairobi reguraly cannot help but exclaim “Nairobi is a Big Construction Site”

What does that have to do with economic growth as fast as the Asian tigers as you claimed? And Abuja was once also the worlds fastest growing city and an area of Abuja till this day is among the worlds fastest growing does it now mean that Abuja and Nigeria will grow as fast as the Asian tigers and catch up with Joburg? No it doesn't provide a source saying Kenya will grow as fast as the Asian tigers soon or shtu up

vaxx:
well, the word adofuro remain open as the word is not specific. so biased people can find it attractive to misuse it and misapply it in anyway that suits them.

But the honest truth is , it is a new Yoruba Grammer. The word actually means he who has sex thru anus, in this essence , we know the word does not represent or qualify a woman, it is surely a man, cus naturally, it is only man who can penetrate. ""A do"" literally the act of penetration and " furo " the anus and her area . So in the morphemes, it is ""adufuro" he who penetrate the anus.

No part of the 256 odu ifa emphasised on lesbians or LGBT . It is unfortunate to include what is not part of Yoruba traditions into it. Ifa is silent about it, it doesn't mean it tolerate it.

Stop reading too much meaning into foreign babalawo. They even need education.

Odu iwosun owurin/ elerin emphasised on the benefit of sleeping with a woman as a man. You can take a read .

Foreign babalawo? Both of them are Nigerian and were born, raised and trained as Babalawos in Nigeria

How does your breaking down of the word Adofuro prove that it was solely for man and woman it could be easily referring to male to male and not male to female as you claim it doesn't provide enugh information for any conclusions to be made

Your point on the verse of odu iwosun owurin don't prove it was taboo ultimately yes sex in the normal is better but it doesn't mean sex with men and men or woman and women is a taboo

rvp2018:
Development or growth is not linear.
Yes Kenya is about to enter into Asia tigers kind of growth -
Kenya has been getting all the pre-condition for high growth nailed.
Next is to basically leapfrog.
That is why I think Nairobi will do it even faster than 10yrs - maybe 7yrs - and country definitely 15yrs.

I haven't read anywhere from any financial advisor or expert or any economic news channel that Kenya is about to experience growth like the Asian tigers so I seriously doubt your claims unless you can bring a few sources that share the same sentiment if not then I consider this an ambitious guess at the least

mtisTheQubit:
Designing is another an fabrications is a different thing all together ..tsmc dont design they manufacture..apple ,amd an others design but tsmc manufacture..

Yes I know but what's stopping China from getting their hands on the chips and manufacturing each component as they've done with most other products like cars for example

mtisTheQubit:
Kenya just need 10 or 15 years..trust me...

Nope they'll need a lot more if South Africa continues to grow in the past three years I can tell you there are about 5 new massive buildings in Sandton you have
Leonardo
Beehive building
A law firm building next to the beehive building
Discovery
Sasol

And those are only the ones I can remember off of my head I promise you South Africa hasn't stagnated and is unlikely to do so anytime soon Nairobi catching up with Joburg in the time frame you've given is only possible if Joburg stagnates

mtisTheQubit:
I'm sure the majority of folks have never heard of TSMC. It is today's most important corporation. Forget about other tech firms; tsmc is at the top of the heap. It's a Taiwanese firm with which China is prepared to go to war.

They're the ones who make majority of the worlds chips right? I'm surprised China hasn't been able to fully replicate their designs yet shouldn't be that difficult right

rvp2018:
Who has said there is comparison - south africa is ahead of kenya is nearly all things - but at least in terms of tall building - soon you'll be coming to Nairobi to marvel at them - I doubt you can afford to go further than that.

Kenya as whole is 15yrs from South Africa - Nairobi 10yrs from joburg - all this based on the current trends - where kenya is developing very fast and south africa is basically stuck,

Kenya would need 20 - 30 years at current growth to catch up to South Africa
Nairobi would need 15 years minimum to catch up with Joburg
And this estimates are only for if these places stagnate unless growth like China or the Asian tigers is experienced Kenya has no chance let's be real

Shma2020:
Jorburg is not building any viaduct road as we're speaking - Nairobi is building 4 different viaduct roads.

Jorburg is not constructing any 30+ fls as we speak. Nairobi is construction 12, 34fls - not including GTC. Those are grand projects that only Egyptian new cities can rival at the moment.

Nairobi is building one of the biggest museum in Africa, mashujaa park. Nairobi has just topped out 6 GTC 43fls, 37fls, 33fls, 31fls, 30fls, 30fls modern apartments and finishing is underway.

If you could reason with evidence, everything will be alright my nigga

Joburg doesn't need to construct any viaduct because the infrastructure needed is already there Nairobi actually needs a viaduct by your stance Nairobi is better then London because no viaduct is beign built in London how does that argument even make sense?

Joburg already has massive museums like MuseuMAfrica or the apartheid museum both are likely bigger then whatever is being built in Nairobi

Nairobi is still building lots becauss there is still a need for it currently for the most part Sandton is done building new highrises unless plans for Kgoro Central next to Sandton City follow through

And even with all those in terms of standards of living, infrastructure, transport etc. Nairobi still won't compare to Joburg anytime soon it's fine to be optimistic but at this rate you're just exaggerating what isn't real

AfriqueDuZuid:
Yerr that's more than a decade ago, the was literally nothing between Johannesburg and Pretoria, now it looks like one thing

You won't feel you went to two different places

Yeah very soon Pretoria and Johannesburg are likely to merge into a singular mega city the gap in land that used to lie between them is quickly being filled up by residential and commercial units

Shma2020:
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I don't lie.


Zombie

That's the exact same sime as two rivers so what exactly makes it bigger? So your point once again doesn't hold water

obaaderemi:
That guy finds ignorance bliss.

An educated person should know that the words "Adofuro" and "Adodi" are coined words. Derived words. He is probably gay himself like one ugly Kenya that used to be here, Kiberawalker or something.

So being an activist for others rights and fighting against A-historical views somehow makes me gay? Does that mean Essien is gay? I said this before I don't care what the topic is no matter how crude or disgusting it is if that topic is against historical, cultural and religious evidence of any African culture i've studied then I will argue against it I may be wrong I will not lie but so far I haven't been given any sources or evidence to counter my claims and i'm sure my sources are reputable enough for me to trust them but as always I stand to be corrected

jl115:
Well my bru.... That's what happens when you produce 240 000Gwh of electricity vs 28000gwh

No it'snot what happens in reality it is what happens when you use poor technology and depend on cheap fossil fuels for all your energy needs China and America definitely produce more electricity from coal then South Africa but their levels aren't as high, you'd wonder why at first but the answer is clear the technology is more advanced there

obaaderemi:
Show me any link that shows that Europeans found gay marriages and open homosexuality in Yoruba land when they came or forever shut the fvck up.

If it wasn't frowned upon it would be widely practised. The Yoruba's place a lot of value on child bearing even way back then that barrenness was seen as a curse. Now how could children be produced if they embraced gay marriages like you are trying to prove?

You just read some pro gay nonsense on the internet and run with it. Post what you have if you dare and let me pick it apart.

You really think Europeans recorded everything they saw? And even if they did could they tell anything if they saw a women and a women or a man and a man together at any one time why would the assumption be of homosexuality? And where do you think the sources for Igbo female husbands comes from? It's from European scholars in terms of sex between man and man or woman and woman which is what i'm referrring to how are the Europeans expected to get access to such information?

And something that isn't frowned upon doesn't have to be widely practised does it? Homosexuality is a rare phenomenon not occuring for most people so why would it be widely practiced if it isn't naturally occuring for most?

vaxx:
adofuro is a new word . Infact among the Yoruba people it is even a taboo to sleep with your wife thru the anus .

Aadufuro used in the link you provided actually was referring to men who sleeps with their woman thru their anus and not necessarily men to men or women to women. The name even suggest it. The man who had sex thru the anus.


There is nothing like gay and lesbianism according to the Yoruba . It is a taboo , irrational and unholy.


There is no where within the 256 odu ifa, where gay and lesbianism is mentioned and do not think because it is not mentioned then it might be practiced , I can send you an odu ifa that gives a logical warning.

It definitely isn't a recent word and the word also refers to those doing it from man to man and yes there are concepts of lesbian sex mainly for ritual purposes concerning Osun or Oya

LGBTQ isn't considered taboo in Yoruba or Igbo culture

Please give me the part of the Odu Ifa where there is a logical warning

Because I have personally talked with two Babalawos and they've both said there's nothing against homosexuality in the odu ifa and they were there and were able to practice in the past in fact they even had a special name I forgot what exactly the babalawo called it I had it on my old twitter account but it was shutdown

obaaderemi:
Mtchew.
I don't see any links to show there were gay marriages and open homosexuality in Yoruba land before the coming of western culture. If you have it post it. What energy does that require?

It's very common on this thread for people to say "I posted it already go and look for it" when they actually have nothing.
A good but lazy way to duck out when cornered.

I posted a link talking about Igbo female husbands where women would marry each other for ritual purposes essentially meaning religious pruposes from aljazeera I had to post the links three times already because people can't look i'm not doing that again and i'm not talking about yoruba land i'm talking about Africa as a whole but for yorubaland

There are stories in the Odu Ifa about Yemoja travelling to a land filled with Adodi people ( Anal sex people essentially ) so gay men and marrying one of them these things are there on the internet i'm not going to spoon feed you with information and stop acting like you've actually brought any sources for your own side of the argument all you've said is that's false or i'm wrong no proper sourceor evidence for anything

Till any of you can provide such please don't quote me

Shma2020:
Nairobi having 60 neighborhoods? Come on dude. Nairobi has more less 10 neighborhoods and jorburg has 11.


Unless you don't know what neighborhoods are.

That's municipalities when he says Neighborhoods he means like Morningside, Alexandria, Sandown, Sandton, Grayston etc.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Fourways mall is 180 000 m²

That's 3 two rivers malls

It's 178 000 and even 180 000 isn't 3 two rivers mall because two rivers is 65 000 so it is actually 195 000 that is equal to 3 two rivers malls which is why I said almost equal to three

Blackfire:
Was he not the man that drank otapiapia when he heard the soldiers were coming??




North2023



By proxy he was the man behind the coup that killed the northern Premier..

The truth is coming out gradually

Only way for Nigeria to survive as a country is for someone from the south preferably Igbo to become president if that isn't achieved Nigeria will be in deep trouble

AfriqueDuZuid:
Lol I wan't to tackle it 1 neiborhood comparison

After all I think Nairobi at best would be 60 neighborhood, Johannesburg alone has over 550 neighborhoods

True that would make more sense

mtisTheQubit:
So i was right..you live in SA.so have you gotten a girlfriend?...an i mean girlfriend not a boyfriend...bythe way got some SA peeps here who can show you around

It's not that easy is it? Gonna have to get me a glow up before getting a girlfriend and I live in both SA and the UK I alternate year round but I need to leave this country permanently before yk xenophobia takes place

rvp2018:
Nigeria and rest are nowhere in retail and related.Hosting world events has nothing to do with football. Qatar will be home to the worldcup because it's about having a cities that are modern and capable of hosting events.

Some remove those west africa jungles....egypt and kenya likely to host worldcup and olympics

Go and look at wealth and retail rankings Nigeria and Kenya are always switching positions year by year so it's not like you're miles ahead in any case

And Qatar likely bribed FIFA to be able to host the world cup in reality for the world cup bid in 2034 and 2038 if Nigeria plays it's cards right we should be able to host in fact for this 2022 world cup there was a bid for a joint hosting by Nigeria, Benin, Togo and Ghana and before you begin to cry America, Mexico and Canada are all hosting the 2026 world cup together and that is a wider distance then between Nigeria and Ghana

Shma2020:
Are you listening to yourself? You think I can't go and fact check this nonsense on Google? Why are speaking as if though Only a south african can have access to Google .


Truth of the matter. Two rivers is 7th best in Africa. Forget about SA. And i was not arguing with a Nigerian. I think a SA makes sense on this topic than a random Nigerian refugee in SA.

I've lived in South Africa for 14 years I think I know what i'm talking about and in terms of size and amenties two rivers wouldn't even make it into the top 10 in South Africa there's no argument Nairobi doesn't compare to Joburg

Fourways mall alone is more then two times bigger then two rivers and almpost three times larger and it has a trampoline park inside of it

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
When I visited joburg this are some of which are not on your list

Dragon City mall
Fourways Crossing mall

Fourways crossing isn't bigger then Two rivers and i've never heard of dragon city mall

Olu317:
Are you sure about this radiocarbondating of 250, 000 years ago?

If yes, then any reference from a reliable book that pegged the dating of metallurgical evidence at the site you are pointing at ?

I didn't read it I simply searched How old is Ugwuelle Uturu for all we know it could have been a different hominid group that inhabited that area in the past same like Iwo eleru but currently it is one of the oldest if not the oldest evidence of habitation of an area in Nigeria

NoSentiment:
A CIA annex office is about to be constructed where torture, rendition, water boarding and other evil activities that America has for centuries been known for would be committed against Nigeria and Nigerians. Yet short- sighted and low self-esteemed Nigerians who always lick the as.s of oyibo will, as usual, turn a blind eye to this truth. Everything America and caucasians do is for the fulfillment of their inordinate interests to control and dominate by fair means or faul, by hook or by crook. Yet they will still claim the moral high ground and their global flock of sheeps will hail them since America controls what they hear, see, watch, touch and think about through the media. If you find yourself always taking the American sides consciously or otherwise, then know ye that you are not a critical and independent thinker.

They would never do it in the middle of such a large city they already have their bases for these things in Cameroon, Niger and Chad where they can claim they're investigating for terrorism