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MightySparrow:
phone gurus in the house, my uk used phone of four months went off yesterday while charging and would not boot again, the charging point gets hot. Pls help.

Get a new battery. Summary? Get a new battery. Sell the phone after you do. You will continue to have this problem with your phone.

On my WhatsApp status, I posted on May 2: If you are still speaking in tongues in May, 2020: and Christ hasn’t shown you 1 Corinthians 12:1-3 for you to quit, then what you are doing is an incantation and influenced by an evil spirit.

Then my friend responded: I don't understand. To say am confused is still an understatement, more because I was planning to re-evaluate, fast if possible for that gift.

“All that tongue speaking in many churches is not the true one“, I replied. “All churches do so”, she returned “No. Catholic, Baptist, all reformed churches, Anglican, and Deeper life, don’t practice it”, I countered.

After knowing that she had sought the “gift of speaking in tongues” for years, this led to the exposition on the “gift of tongues” from the Old Testament to New Testament. Here goes the exposition:
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“Tongues” means “languages” or “dialects”. The “gift of tongues“ spoken of in the letters of Apostle Luke - Acts of the Apostles, and Apostle Paul, was first spoken of by Prophet Isaiah as the means God will employ in the proclamation of Himself to the Gentiles, in a language understood by them - their own dialect:

Isaiah says: Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people (Isaiah 28:11).

Two verses prior showed the dilemma of interpretation (of God’s message to the Gentiles): "To whom would He teach knowledge, And to whom would He interpret the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just taken from the breast?(Isaiah 28:9)

The Old Testament summary: God says He would speak to peoples (who did not know Him) in their own tongue (by interpretation).
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In the synoptic gospels, Jesus speaks to a Syro-Phoenician woman in her own tongue. (The language of Phoenicia is Punic or Phoenician, Proto Semitic languages). Thereafter, He speaks to a deaf mute in sign language. In Acts 2, the disciples of Jesus spoke about fifteen tongues, languages they’ve never learned, to people from different countries; speaking about things concerning Christ.

Acts 2:8,11: And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? Cretans and Arabs- we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God."

In Acts 10, an Italian, Cornelius, who was kind to the Jews (v.2), spoke in a language understood by the Jews who accompanied Peter; hence, they were astonished (v.45). In Acts 19, the language spoken is impossible to identify. However, a commonality exists with the prior eye-witness accounts - preaching about Christ was happening (v.4&5).

The eye-witnesses’ account summary: The (“new”) language spoken by the Gentile converts occurred during the preaching of the gospel of Christ to them by Jews. Whenever the gift of tongues was in operation Jews were present. The initial preachers to the Gentiles, Jesus Christ and the Apostles, proclaimed the word of God to the Gentiles in Gentile language.
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In Apostle’s Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians, he addresses the maladies in that church; the build-up to the “problem“ of tongues began in chapter 10. Summarily, the maladies were:

1. In Chapter 10: Idolatry.
2 In Chapter 11: They didn’t imitate Paul and they didn’t imitate Christ; in other words:
A. Natural law for leadership was jettisoned
B. The Lord’s supper was a place of division; and the gathering was a gallery of gluttony.
3: Chapter 12: Chapter 12 is divided into two parts; the two divisions are separated by the word “now” in verse 4 - Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.

(Now: adverb: used, especially in conversation, to draw attention to a particular statement or point in a narrative. )

The word “now” contrasts the malady in verse 1 to 3, with the narrative- the real operation of the Holy Spirit in the Church (1 Corinthians 12:8-30).

The malady shown in first three verses was the infusion of native custom of idol worship into Christianity. In a euphemism, Apostle Paul states the display in the church influenced by the pagan spirit, as revealed itself by an oral expression:

You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. (1 Corinthians 12:2)

Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:3)

The content of this speech influenced by this pagan spirit doesn’t proclaim the gospel of Christ - it doesn’t say, “Jesus is Lord”. Paul doesn’t waste his time going into details of how they were “carried away” when he says: “somehow or another”.

However, In Ifá worship for instance, the devotee are carried away to the deity by way of the ògèdè/ọfọ̀ spoken by the Babaláwo. Just like Isaiah wrote: They will say to you, "Seek oracles at the pits used to conjure up underworld spirits, from the magicians who chirp and mutter incantations.

The muttering that went on in the Corinthian church was incantation-like: the tongue in verse 3, was done in a display (like those done when the heathen appear before their pagan deities).

Later in Chapter 12:10, Paul speaks of another kind of tongues, different from that spoken of in verse 2. The incantation-like expression spoken of in verse 2 is in contrast to the tongues in verse 10 which is in plurality as verse 28 shows - various languages. The gift of tongues in chapter 12:10 walks in tandem with all the gifts of the spirit; none working independently; Where the gift of “word of wisdom” was, “tongues” will be in effect; Where there were apostles, prophets and teachers carrying on with the preaching of the gospel of Christ, the gifts in unison would verify their ministry. From the tone of rebuke in chapter 10 and 11, the tongue displayed in verse 2, was done by all and sundry. Paul ends the chapter by stating the inferiority of those gifts including “the gift of tongues”.

There are nine gifts spoken of in chapter 12. Three of them make their way into the next chapter. Then Paul speaks of these inferior gifts in detail; and how their inferiority comes with their expiration.

The next chapter presented the ultimate gift - love. In chapter 13:8, Paul says: “Love never fails”. “Fail”, katargeō in Greek language means “expire”. Then he speaks of the manner of expiration the gifts in chapter 12 would occur:

1. Prophecies will fail: Failure indicts that it will not stand the test of time.
2. Tongues will cease: “Cease” means to stop completely or come to an end.
3. Knowledge will vanish away: “Vanish away” means to fade away. It brings to mind how the gas in a gas cylinder begins to die off until it is empty.

Chapter 13:9 says, the prophecy made by the apostles, prophets and teachers, and the knowledge they possess is partial (incomplete). Then, Chapter 13:10 shows that those gifts were for the church in its tender years. However, when the church is mature, those gifts will finally give way. Paul says, “the perfect will come, then the partial gifts will be discarded“.

So, what then is the perfect (gift)? The perfect (gift) cannot be the coming of Christ because of the qualities associated with the gifts - failure and vanishing. At the coming of Christ, all things stop.

The earlier verses says, it is love. Much more, John in his first epistle says, it is love. What then is this love that shows up when the church has left its childish state? Paul says, it is the truth in love, the full knowledge of the Jesus, the Gospels of Christ (Eph. 4:13-16, 2 Tim.3:16-17); John says, “but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him”. The word of God is termed “love”.

Finally, we have a verse in the scriptures if not handled carefully throws everything said by the prophet into the flames - 1 Corinthians 14:2: For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
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“This chapter is crowded with difficulties“, so says Adam Clarke about 1 Corinthians 14. To understand one pagan affiliation, it would be important to look at another pagan affiliation one is familiar with so that the difficulties Adam Clarke speaks of will be averted. In Ifá worship, it is typical that when the Babaláwo begins to mutter the ọfọ̀, an ọ̀gbẹ̀rì would not understand. In the Babaláwo‘s mind, he speaks mysteries (ancient secrets of the past) only Ifá understands; though the Babaláwo may not understand fully, yet he speaks them. The ọ̀gbẹ̀rì doesn’t understand because he is an illiterate with respect to the training one is required to go through to “read” and understand the words of the Babaláwo.

1 Corinthians 14:3 shows that Paul isn’t referring to the traditions mentioned in chapter 12:2; but he is referring to a present unfavorable practice in the church; and the need to desire prophesying (interpretations: v.1).

1. The Babaláwo is the religious equivalent to a Christian minister. In the manner the Babaláwo does, the church ministers at Corinth spoke (without interpretation) to the ọ̀gbẹ̀rì. But this is Christianity not paganism, hence, Paul speaks of the need for the interpretation of the tongue of the text (verse 1&11)

2. The synagogue in the Greek nation of Corinth like in all synagogues Apostle Paul visited, read the Hebrew texts - the Torah (The Five Books of Moses), Nevi'im ('Prophets') and Ketuvim ('Writings'), which make up our Old Testament scriptures. When these texts are read, the congregation of Greeks would never understand; so the purpose of reading is unfruitful, and these leaves the Gentiles with a feeling of disrespect or dissatisfaction; So they might say, “na only him and God understand wetin he dey talk”, so does Paul say: “For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands”. The reader of the Hebrew texts always made a vain effort in communing with the unlearned congregation in a foreign tongue;

Therefore, Paul admonished the gifted to pray and sing the psalms, hymns and spiritual songs according to the spirit of the Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim, and according to the gifted’s mind (“mind” means “mental disposition” or “vital principle”. Mental disposition is what drives our emotions, desires, affection etc.): “I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also”.

The speaker of the foreign tongue spoke mysteries, the verse says. Paul speaks of the ancient texts’ picturesque expressions of Christ as mysteries in Colossian 1:26. He prayed that the Gentiles would understand the mysteries in the Jewish ancient texts concerning the Christ (Eph. 6:19, Col. 4:3, 1:26,27). This made it imperative that the unknown tongue of the Torah, Nevi'im, and Ketuvim needed interpretation and its mysteries uncovered for the benefit of unlearned hearers.

This is why he admonished them in verse 1 not to desire to speak in the Hebrew tongue but to desire to interpret(prophecy) the Hebrew tongue in which Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim were written in, in the Corinth dialect.

What is practiced as the “gift of tongues” by the Pentecostal church and many of its admirers for the better part of the last century is more like the 1 Corinthians 12:2 case. It is not a gospel speaking speech: It is antithetical to the pattern of the scriptures and the spirit of the gospel of Christ. It is contrary to the instruction of the 1689 confession of faith that states that “all parts of religious worship of God are to be performed with understanding”. It churns the stomach of the early church fathers who for the primacy of the people’s edification stated through the principles of the Westminster confession of Faith that: “The goal is the hearers’ understanding of, and growth in, the Word of God, not the display of the preacher’s eloquence or erudition. At least a dozen times the Directory urges plainness or clarity of expression in preaching in order that “the meanest [humblest] may understand.”

I now know why it was sickening for Paul to speak about it. This is a long read but it takes time to dissolve an iceberg; Don’t let it weary you, please. Tongues is not for the real children of God who have found grace in Christ. May the Lord be with us all.



(For the non-Yoruba: ọ̀gbẹ̀rì means unlearned or illiterate. ògèdè/ọfọ̀ means incantations. Babaláwo is the Priest of Ifá. Ifá is the Yoruba divination deity).

Cc: Toyorlee1, Nebes, Maximus69, Eulalia, MuttleyLaff

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tillaman:
this has to be something like joking stuffs

I think he muddled up a lot of thoughts together and has left people confused by his comments. His main point is that everyone is measuring the Pastor with an uneven scale and hence everyone judging the Pastor are hypocrites. I think he is right.

Eulalia:
Ok.

You responded well.

1. Culture
2. Peter Tosh
3. Gregory Isaacs
4. Majek Fashek
5. Third world
6. Bob Marley

Chosen1984:
JESUS CHRIST, The LORD and SAVIOR of Humanity gave one the most Terrifying words in
Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The Lord Jesus Christ Who is the way , The Truth and the Life, not given to exaggeration. Yet He speaks of a time so terrifying, so horrible, that nothing compares to it.

JESUS CHRIST is not speaking of those general “trials and tribulations” all of us have. This is a unique time, seven years of hell on earth. There is nothing like it in all history, secular or biblical. Revelation chapters 6-19 describe that terrible time.

What is the purpose of the Great Tribulation?

Will Believers alive,( whose Names is written in the book of life) go through it?

Let's have a look at the purpose.

1.The Great Tribulation is the last seven years of God's dealing with the nation of Israel before they are brought to a final crisis—and prepared for receiving their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ. We know this because of many Scriptures connecting the Great Tribulation to the nation of Israel.
Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
Also see Daniel 12:1

These chapters makes it clear that the Tribulation is a time to prepare the Jewish people to receive the Lord Jesus Christ and that God will save Israel out of it.

When the Bible uses the word “Jacob,” it always refers to fleshly Israel, natural Israel, the Jews as we know them. It is not speaking of “spiritual Israel”—the Church—the Body of Christ.

Jeremiah 30:10-11 explains further
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

From these scriptures, we see that Jacob is Isreal. Daniel people are the Jews ( Isrealites)

They are the Elect who JESUS talked about in Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

2. Another purpose of the Tribulation is to punish the Gentiles for their arrogance, rebellion and godlessness. Isaiah 24 and Jeremiah 25 beginning with verse 30 describe the Great Tribulation coming upon the Gentiles.

God will pour out His wrath upon a world that has spurned Him, that has laughed at and ridiculed His precepts and principles.

So who will be going through this great tribulation?

Clearly, Israel, for it is “the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

notice in all of the scriptures that deal with the Great Tribulation, not one scripture mentions the Church—the Body of Christ—as being present during that time, not even the book of Revelation.

The Key to Revelation

To better understand the book of Revelation, you first need the key to the book.


In chapter one, the apostle John was in prayer when he heard a voice behind him. The Voice identifies Himself as “the Alpha and Omega,” the resurrected Christ. He instructs John in verse 19 to write those things “which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.”

There is the key! if you do not understand this one verse, you will not understand Revelation or that it is divided into three sections: past, present, and future—the things John has seen, the things which currently are, and what will happen in the future.

What had John seen? John had a vision of Jesus Christ coming in power and great glory, and he wrote that. So the first division is complete.

In chapters 2 and 3, John moves to the second division, things which are, and John brings seven messages to seven churches. These were seven literal, actual churches, but they represent all churches of all time. Chapters 2 and 3 say “church” over and over again. This is the second division: the Church Age. We are living in the church age.

Now notice something remarkable, beginning in Revelation 4:1.

And after this, behold a door was opened in heaven and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me which said come up hither and I will show thee the things which must be hereafter.

From Revelation 4:1 through to the end of the book, we have entered into “the things which must be hereafter.” John, our brother in the Church Age, is symbolically lifted out of this earth, taken up to heaven, and then his description of “the things which must be hereafter” begins.

In Revelation chapters 4-19, we see the horrors of the Great Tribulation.
from this point on, you do not hear the Church, the Body of Christ, mentioned again.

The Lord has specifically promised to keep the Church from the Great Tribulation.

1Thesl 1:9-10
9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

In Conclusion,we can see that the Tribulation is for
1.the correction and preparation of the nation of Israel
2. the punishment of rebellious nations and people who have rejected God.

The Bride of JESUS CHRIST, The Church will not be Here during the Great Tribulation..

Before the antichrist Officially takes over, The Church Must Be taken away..

Also The antichrist cannot Officially take over until we the saints are Gone..

Copy and paste. Please read and understand things for yourself.

cRobo:
The just shall live by faith

If you knew what Ap. Paul was referring to, you wouldn’t use that statement out of its context.

FYI: That verse culled from the OT (Habakkuk) meant: Justified by faith.

Romans 1:17 For in the Gospel a righteousness which God ascribes is revealed, both springing from faith and leading to faith [disclosed through the way of faith that arouses to more faith]. As it is written, The man who through faith is just and upright shall live and shall live by faith.

Please use the word of God rightly

paul100:
While at house,a pastor closed to my house always tell her members that if she prays for any of her members and God bless the person.
Then the person maybe decide to change church or stop coming to see her.She will pray for the person to go back to his/her initial stage.Is that good.Will God answer that kind of prayer?

The gifts of God are without repentance: So the Bible says. Whatever God gives a man, be it wealth or health, He may regret He gave it, but He is not petty to take it back.

The words of that woman sounds like witchcraft; Its first stage of influence is manipulation. Her main message is, don’t leave my church. But is the church owned by man? Any man Or woman sounding like he or she owns a church, isn’t a messenger of Christ.

Ginaz:
He said he was in Abuja but he lied ... nigga was in town for 1 month, chilling with a bae he said he didn’t have anything to do with . Just a friend !!!

After crying my eyes out .. I simply replied an old post of a guy who told me he loves me and I said I love you too, screenshot the conversation and sent it to him. Let’s be miserable together.

He couldn’t sleep that night . He messaged me throughout the night till dawn to forgive him . Men!! they can’t bear being cheated on but would cheat on you.

Have you forgiven him and made up?

desiredhome:
So the pastor preaching stated that if you don't win soul you are not a Christian.
Don't agree with this statement seeing majority of the members not representing Christ, not judging though, Sounding like when someone goes to Church you are automatically a Christian
I can't ask the pastor because the system will not allow.

The only qualifications that makes one saved are: one’s confession that Jesus Christ is Lord and God; and one’s unflinching belief in His resurrection. Any other gospel apart from these is of Satan.

These qualifications can only be achieved through preaching from one who is already saved. But the power to convert anyone is solely the duty of the Spirit of Christ. To hoodwink one to believe that preaching is a criterion for salvation is false; however, anyone who is saved carries the burden of the Savior in his heart - salvation of sinners. Hence, Preaching becomes an evidence of one’s purchase in Christ.

But I have noticed that many preachers make sincere errors: I mean they don’t have good mastery of the English language and the scriptures, hence, they convey their messages erroneously. I would guess that he meant: if you don’t preach or win souls, it shows you aren’t saved. So this is where his error should be corrected: a Christian must preach (not the soulish, spiritless methods used in mass evangelism that characterizes our day); and the Holy Spirit wins (some) souls through our preaching.

Yet, I have noticed in my own life that for preaching to he effective, your life must be pleasing to the sinners around you. Their love for the manner of your daily lifestyle and interaction with them makes your conversation (Preaching) concerning Jesus Christ more acceptable especially when you attribute the nature of your character to Christ’s transforming influence.

Please give the preacher the benefit of a doubt; yet, if his fruits, his church members, are the sour kind (not representing Christ), it is a sign that Christ is not in that church.

Hideki:
how did your parents survive this?

I guess you wanted to ask Prettyangel01.

prettyangel10:
My two brothers died within the space of one year. The first one which is our first born died of heart related issues, was with him in the hospital for one month, he was discharged and three months after, he gave up the ghost.

Then our last born, had a dream about him that we were mourning him, I prayed about it, got family members involved in the prayers but three months after, he was having lunch/break time at work, and he choked on the meat in his mouth, rushed to the hospital but was too late.

I've always cried each time I remember the memories of the two of them. cant take them off my mind. Continue to rest in peace my lovely brothers.

I’m sorry. Please be strong.

Gulher:
what do you mean by Nicene creed ?

The Nicene Creed is a statement of belief widely used in Christian liturgy. It is a creed that summarizes the orthodox faith of the Christian Church. It is called Nicene because it was originally adopted in the city of Nicaea.

The words of the Nicene Creed are as follows:

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic (universal) and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

P.S.: If he lives in Ketu, Chris Onayinka’s church at Fadeyi is okay for him to attend. Crown Reformed assembly at Ogba is Fine. Sovereign Grace Bible Church at Omole Phase 1 is good too.

Gulher:
I've been going to and fro and I want to commit to a church full time. I need you guys to suggest a nice church. Where they preach godly living and love.

No offence but I dont want one of those all about giving to get rich, fund raising and motivational speakers churches please. I also dont want too much consciousness of witches and wizards.

If you attend any church where godly living and love is the main message, kindly drop the name and location please. Thanks.

Don’t attend a one-man (and wife who own the) church. Any church where the church elders can not expel the local church pastor for heresy and Antichrist conduct should be avoided. Churches that devote hours to dancing and singing should be avoided. Churches that don’t profess the Nicene creed should be avoided. Churches where the pastor avoids the name “Christ” in his preaching but always says “God” should be avoided. Churches that have a dress code should be avoided.

Read the New Testament and understand its message and you will know the right church to attend. May the Spirit of the Lord make a way for you. Amen.

CodeTemplar:
one person, many user a*****ts.

Muttleylaff has made me know you mean I have many accounts. He has made his thoughts known and I wonder what Ms. Nwafor would think.

I have acknowledged your false accusation; False accusation is a lazy man’s occupation.

I wish I could respond to you meticulously like Muttleylaff: he is an intelligent man; it’s rare in a country like ours to find men who aren’t lazy in their mind.

False accusers are the worst kind of men; they are clouds without water; those who indulge in this malicious vocation are irredeemable - the end of Eliphaz is usually theirs.

I hope you realize your surreptitious message is false; and endeavor to renew your attitude towards people.

CodeTemplar:
one person, many user a*****ts.

What’s does a*****ts mean?

MuttleyLaff:
Interesting that it didnt slant into tithing at all, but more interesting and seriously, is the wonderful richness and enormous depth of the write up

Thank you very much

Preciousgirl:
I need answers backed with scriptures

Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

The saints undergo three degrees of Salvation having two extremes: Justification and Glorification; and between these extremes is a continuous process called “sanctification“.

Saved: Justification: a saved once and for all (discharged and acquitted) status of us (the called) who where once against God; saved from His wrath: Romans 5:9 says, Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. This status was bought for us at the Cross of Calvary.

Saved: Glorification: a status achieved when the hope of the saints comes to fruition in future - resurrection. It is the final stage of salvation, where the flesh, the part of sin that clings to us, will be obliterated: 1 Corinthians 15:43: it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. (Colossians 1:27, Philippians 3:11, Philippians 3:20–21).

Saved: Sanctification: the gradual deterioration of the sinful life which the saint was once used to. The deterioration of the influence of our sinful nature, the flesh, occurs through the sanctifying effect of the Holy Spirit - the conviction of sin and revelation of the truth of Christ. The renewel of the mind through the reading and hearing of God’s will, the scriptures; fellowship, mortification of the flesh (carnal part of us), and chastisement from God (when we sin) are some of the ways this progressive salvation occurs. Sanctification is also referred to as “the transformation from glory to glory” in 2 Corinthians c.3.

A meticulous friend would ask you what animal meat. Some people don’t eat cow Suya; they would specifically tell you to buy goat meat Suya.

The Bible is not the only source of history. You should have gone to check many sources detail on the modus operan di the Roman army rather than picking three verses from one verse and giving a conclusion which falls short of sources that give more specific details on the mode of execution by the Roman army.[/quote]

You are on an endless road. Your fuel wouldn’t last the journey and you wouldn’t be able to fill your tank with tears.

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MuttleyLaff:
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"²¹When he had said these things, Jesus was greatly distressed in spirit, and testified,
“I tell you the solemn truth, one of you will betray me.”
²⁷And after Judas took the piece of bread, Satan entered into him. Jesus said to him,
"What you are about to do, do quickly.""
- John 13:21 & 27

Judas was a greedy and confused motherf. The thing is Judas has secretly being nursing the idea of being holder of the office of the Chancellor of the Exchequer (i.e. Finance Minister) when the champion Messiah prophesied and promised the Israelites instals Himself. Judas was a secular man, a carnal man, not a spirit minded man and so he got the whole theology about Jesus Christ and His purpose for coming on earth completely wrong. The bible at Ephesians 4:27, warns us not to give place to the devil, as if given an inch, will himself a ruler over the person and if given a foot, will make into a mile.

No doubt, Judas, because of the very important soon to be coming Passover festival, when all Israelities wherever in the world they are, yearly return back home to Jerusalem, as pilgrims or otherwise, for the Passover festival had been calculated on this as a good opportunity "forced" Jesus' hand, that will give Him, no other choice than to be the Messianic champion prophesied and promised the Israelites. Little did Judas know that his judgement and scheming is clouded by his self interest and self-gain.

Anyway, trotting along, Jesus being God, as in meaning, He can see what's in man's heart. He can see what thoughts man is nursing in his/her heart, already knew that Judas was a traitor, so when the appropriate time was drawing closer, Jesus wanting to get the whole thing over and done with, messaged Judas, just as read in John 13:27 above, that "look mate, get on it with. Do what you have to do", so Judas like a mumu too, got up, thinking to himself, lovely jobbly, this baby is going to work out according to play. What a crafty bastard I am and a soon to be wealthy one for that matter too, lol. Kerching!. I apologise for the artistic licence doing overtime earlier there, lol. Anyway, Judas, got up, left the room to go betray His master. The other disciples in the room thought, he's gone on an official sent errand. They werent any the wiser of his treachery. Judas betrayed our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, for sheer Power and Money. He thought that when Jesus said, "Go on. Go do quickly, what you have to do" was a validation and an OK sign, implying that, what he was about to go do was acceptable by Jesus. Smh. How far he totally and completely missed it. The rest is history.

It was a biggest disappoint for Judas, after betraying Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, that event did not turn out the way he has anticipated. He was surprised that Yahshua Ha Mashiach, did not resist arrest by the Roman guards. Shocked that Yahshua Ha Mashiach did not slip into the Messianic champion prophesied and promised the Israelites role, the Messianic champion who will deliver the Israelites from the domination, tyranny, oppression and subjugation of them by Rome. He couldnt believe how things unfolded, that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, was humble, He did not struggle nor fight back, that He went meekly and silently, just as if, like a Lamb led to slaughter. Judas soon realised what a miscalaculation he's made, he must has somehow realised that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, this Messiah, is not tribal, is not a local champion, wasnt meant only or solely meant, as prophesied and promised, for Israel's salvation, liberty and/or freedom, but it is a bigger picture prophecy and promise. It is prophecy and promise about a universal Champion, a heavenly Spiritual Champion, not an earthly physical and military champion. This is the stuff spiritual, is made up from.

For Judas, it was too late. Judas had, with the betrayal, crossed the line of no return. It is impossible to put back together a broken up and opened egg. Judas became tormented. He ran back to the Sanhedrin, the council of Israelite religious leaders with the High Priest, begging saying literally, "This is an innocent man. I dont want the money any more. Have your blood money back. I dont want it. I dont want any to do with it nor His death, an innocent man sef. Have it. Have it back. Take your blood money from me" The Sanhedrin, I would guess, prolly laughed at Judas. Told him to scoot along, to scram, dissappear and go enjoy his thirty pieces of silver. He threw the money at them before going to hang himself, so the Sanhedrin, dutifully used the same thirty pieces of silver to purchase the grave he later was buried in. Why waste their own money in buying a burial plot for a traitor, they prolly were thinking and even saying good riddance to bad rubbish too, smiling to themselves and they were dusting their hands

Incidentally God fulfilling our heart’s desires, is just exactly how Saul got the appointed to be crowned king of Israel. Besides the king Saul, this is how exactly sin, in the very first place originated, lol. That right there, is Bible, lol

Your artistic license didn’t only do overtime; it did double overtime, beat the traffic light and hit route 65 at 235mph. I knew you would give me something lengthy to read (that’s why I don’t follow you)

People may say God forced Judas’ hand against Jesus because it was prophesied; and prophecy must be fulfilled. But when I read Jeremiah’s vision of rotten figs, I realize that all sinners (under the right S.T.P. (standard temperature and pressure) ) are Judases. Only one rotten fig had to be picked and the lot fell to Judas.

I’m glad I didn’t bore you guys with something fancy and thoughtless. It’s nice my conclusion was alright with you and inforesource. Someone I respect a lot said: I can’t hear music for the noise that is on the inside - this was the case with that traitor - the spiritual was playing and all he could hear were his carnal thoughts.

illicit:
ok
the Bible made to understand that Judas loved money and always wanted more in every situation. he had seen Jesus perform great deeds and he might thought of playing a fast one on the Jewish council. he probably took their money hoping that they wouldn't be able to catch Jesus or Jesus might escape since he is the son of God...
he was full of regret at Jesus death which might mean that he was sad they his thought and plan failed.

True: the Bible says, Judas Iscariot loved money. But it also says, Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ. If betrayal means treachery - to give up someone to be destroyed, punished or condemned, then this recurrent word "betrayal" in the narrative of Judas' action against Christ doesn't agree with your conclusion - playing a fast one on the Sanhedrin.

When Jesus said to Judas, "that which thou doest do it quickly"; the scriptures said Satan entered into Judas. But we know that Satan only seeks to steal, kill and destroy (commit treason in this case and all cases: remember the treason in Heaven and the Garden of Eden). Satan's vocation became Judas' intention.

So your conclusion falls short of the meaning of the Judas narrative. I appreciate your response and it is one possibility I thought of.

Dantedasz:
You need to goggle about the council of Nicea,the council of Sirdea and the council of Constatinople and the Emperor Constatine.
You may also want to read about Constantines mother Empress Helena who gave Christianity the symbol of the cross.
It's all there on goggle if you decide to look it up.

You still haven’t answered my question. I could read all those things and still not know what you want me to know exactly about Judas’ account. Please answer my question and also tell me what you would want me to realize, please.

Dantedasz:
The gospel of Judas on Wikipedia.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas&ved=2ahUKEwjbuYHgv_LoAhU0BWMBHUdrAu0QFjAEegQIDxAs&usg=AOvVaw0nbI9VKjAg4Q9NlaqiS90J

Dante, I’d like to ask you this: if what qualifies as “the gospel“ were books or letters written and authorized by the Holy Spirit after Day Of the Feast of Pentecost, more than forty days after Judas Iscariot kicked the bucket; who wrote the Gospel of Judas Iscariot (who didn’t receive the gift of the Holy Spirit)?

bestabigaelever:
For the prophecy to be fulfilled
And Judas Iscarot was the most greedy

Yes the greediest man for the occasion. I agree with you.

illicit:
he believed Jesus was omnipotent

Could you tell me why you think that’s what was in Judas’ mind, please?

Dantedasz:
I suggest you goggle and read the gospel of Judas.
You might have a different opinion on the disciple Judas.

I will. Thanks. What’s your opinion, though?

sonmvayina:
Why did segun arinze betray his friend in black arrow?...just a story mate..

I haven’t watched it o. I no dey watch Nigerian movies o.

inforesource:
He was so disappointed when Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this World". Judas was like what? But I am following you so that I can be made Finance Minister. And now you are talking not of this World?

Ok since you said you will be killed let me use that opportunity for small cash. Being that it was already a prophecy in the Bible, devil jumped in and fulfiled his heart desire.

I like the bolded part. I smiled at it. God can fulfill our heart’s desires and Satan can too.

Lilimax:
Another place to shut down is First Cardiology Hospital, No. 20A Thompson Avenue Ikoyi. This hospital treated a Covid-19 patient ABBA Kyari who is now late.
Most people in the hospital are already exposed to Corona Virus

How do you know that he was treated there?