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An engineer is an employable scientist.
A physicist is an unemployable engineer.
Physicists aren't concerned with the practicality of their research. They are only concerned with studying nature and how it behaves.

Engineers on the other hand, use facts and knowledge about the physical world developed by physicists to make things that are practical for everyday use. And yes, engineers don't care how those facts and knowledge came about, all they care is can it be used to make something useful for everyone.

The problem with Nigeria is that we do not have enough technician and technologist before embarking on mass training of our so called engineers, chuned out by our universities yearly. It is the technician that do the real work of engineering. Its supposed to be pyramid like, with few engineers, many technologist, plenty technician. Inverse is the case here

This is so on paper but in real life situation is the other way round. There are many engineers even doctors not making up to half of what the op posted. in most cases these professions are highly overrated. I've seen someone earning above this as an HRM with his sociology degree. On average very few acclaimed professionals earn as high as this.

Jamzig1:
Hello Nairalanders, I need advice(s) from
experienced guys in the house. I am currently
studying PHYSICS in the Federal University of
Agriculture, Abeokuta(FUNAAB). Will be starting
200L in less than two months time. The thing is i
have been reading some materials online on
embedded systems electronics especially on this
forum. It caught my interest because I am an
hobbyist in electronics. So I want to go into
Embedded Systems electronics as a career. Is it
advisable? I would love to here your opinion(s)
as soon as possible. Bless you
cc: Acorntree
Savotech
Nisol
Alotofgrace
Lalasticlala
Seun
guassian
usisky
9free
princejude
and others

What you need most is deep interest and passion for electronics. With physics and electronics degree programme , you are on a good path to becoming an embedded electronic engineer. You also need to know that your degree programme may not be sufficient for you, as most programme are not practically well grounded, so be self taught. Join online electronics forum.Build other people circuit, use other people codes, build things. Start your learning using kits .If you are interested in programming stuff, you need to learn c language first not assemly language.Assembly is not for novice.Start with arduino then move to other microcontrollers when you have gain enough experience. with time you will start designing your own circuit and writing your own code from scratch.Electronics is fun ,what you can think you you can equally implement electronically.Programming is just a step by step of your idea on how you want to control things, dont be scared , with time you will become an expert in this.

Processing is an open source programming language and environment for people who want to create images, animations, and interactions. Initially developed to serve as a software sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of computer programming within a visual context, Processing also has evolved into a tool for generating finished professional work. Today, there are tens of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and production. processing is very easy to learn.

sinkhole:
Thanks too, your comment also help, even though you did not actually solve the problem @princejude in his princely way seemed to have a solution for now! I googled the wpf suggested by princejude and found that it could do the GUI very well with the C# providing the "behind coding" that could be used to access the weather station through the USB. Unless there is a better package, princejude have the solution for now!

if you have designed your hardware using atmega micro or arduino what you need to design the GUI application is the processing software .if you're a good software programmer you can go the way of Prince Jude by using c++,c#etc but if you're not it will take you weeks if not months to accomplish this simple task. with processing software it will take just two hrs. I've done something similar to this your project before, so I'm speaking from past experience. if you are still confuse type processing in Google or download "make things talk"

sinkhole:
Thanks, you perfectly got my drift! Infact, what I want is a GUI based window application that could display some graphics of the data, such as line graphs, bar chats, wind direction, etc

this is very easy with arduino and processing programming language. what you need is graphical display of captured data from the weather workstation via USB to pc or remotely using rf module or xbee module or Bluetooth module connected to arduino.

obiak4:
so so true reminising back in d days when i was a research student with one of the prof's oboy pg stident dey suffer and spend money
some of dis prof are saddist,kurrofft (pmb pun) pg student fit contribute buy car b4 dem approve ur thesis
my candid advice msc,phd, just go abroad if u no want a furstrated life schooling

buy a car , just because of certificate.

I thought Lasu is the worst but now have a rethink. But why are these schools run like this? Not adhering to time frame-duration of the programme. if all students can not graduate at the same time due to one problem or another, those who are through with their thesis should be graduated without unnecessary delay. time is money.

thexzy:
Thanks a lot OP. But i have a little question for you, If you are to choose a programming language for your Son, Which will you prefer him to start with as a Starter and also a graduate of Electronic and communication Engineering and that will also assist him in getting a good job with cool pay? Thanks once again for ur advice

you need to learn c language if you are interested in embedded system, e.g for microcontroller and microprocessor system development

MattChidi:
Well said and your points resonates home. I think the entire Nigerian students need to read this and change their orientation for the better. Our parents and society sold this ideas to us. Though, it worked for them during their time but unfortunately the world has changed and we need to flow with the tide. Thanks for this piece, let him that has ears hear...
#I_♥_Education

This shows that change is inevitable if we are to progress as a nation. Too much emphasis on paper qualification has been our major problem. Many people are just getting certificates, bsc ,MSC,PhD etc without any positive contribution to the society. This even reminded me of one of my lecturers ,whose teaching methodology never change after obtaining PhD. This craving for certificates need to change as there are so many loopholes in our educational system. people are using shortcuts to beat the system- many are not really educated.

rose4flower:
My own experience was worse my hubby to be den (we are married now) came to visit me he lives @ apapa while I live @ okoko area he came & said he was hungry dere was no Food @ home so I took him to a restaurant he ordered for food & was eating I ask dem to give me malt people were drinking it was a busy place b4 we no it 6police van & 3 bus & a jeep just pack dey came to d restaurant & ordered everybody out dey ask us to line up & enter d bus we were asking what was our offense Dat was when dey started hitting us with dere booth & belt dey even shoot gun Dat was when we knew dey really mean business dey stop a commercial bus & ask us to enter one man & his pregnant wife Dat came to buy pepper soup were also in d bus wit us d man was pleading Dat dey should allow his wife go dey he wil stand for her b4 I knew it dey rushed d man & start hitting him calling him a criminal dey now look d bus & spray tear-gas I nearly died Dat day & my fiance was asthmatic he started coughing I begin to cry pleading wit dem Dat my husband has asthma one of d police a young guy just came to me and slap me he said ashawo u get mouth to talk u want make I wound u give me ur phone he collected my phone & hit me on my ass d tin was like film trick Dat day pple were just looking nobody came to help us dey started d bus & took us to ojo police station we got down & dey ask us to line up one by one dey started called us names armed robber & ashawo we were up to 50 on getting Inside d place was filled up dey ask us to sit on ourselves I can neva forgot Dat day meanwhile my guy av already slump dey manage to give him water while some were saying he is pretending I started begging dem Dat he was nt pretending dey ask him to sit separately luckily for us a police woman ask him to give her money to go & buy ventolin bt she said she wil collect 2000 naira I gave her & she went to buy it he used it & start to regain himself along d line dey ask women to stand separately frm men dey ask d men to write dere name & ask dem to remove dere cloth remaining only boxers & took dem to two different cells dey call d women ashawo make una line up enter Dat cell. Although my guy was outside dey left him because he was stil struggling to breathe d pregnant woman started vomiting one small girl wit is was crying bitterly Dat dey wil kill her she said Aremu ti koba mi. Around 9:30 dey open d cell & said if we av 5000 dey wil bail us Dat once it ten we won't be able to go home again few minutes later I heard my name I came out my guy said he has bail us wit 8000. Bt dey said dey don't no d person who collected my phone I just left it for dem as we were going we saw d pregnant woman & her husband been escorted to Atm so dey can make withdrawal to pay d man gave d police 7000 b4 he left dem & went back Dat day was a bad day I can't forget in a hurry

is it movie script?

Ok

crackhouse:
please can u give me an example of professional courses in Engineering field.

COREN registration

mjbaba:
Well, let me share my experience on this. First all, I'm a polytechnic graduate from Kaduna Polytechnic. My advise is that whatever u do, polytechnic or university, make the best out of it. Get out of sch with the best grade you can. It greatly increases your chances in the employment market.
Second, accept that life is all about choices. You chose to graduate from a polytechnic. Even if it was a second choice for you, it's your choice nonetheless. Even as a teenager almost 19 years ago when I started my polytechnic sojourn, I knew polys were second fiddle to universities. I gave it my best. Finished ND with Upper Crédit and HND with a Distinction. Served immediately and d next level of choices began. I turned down an offer of employment as an instructor with my school. (note, even your institution discrimates against its own products. Lol. HNDs are employed as Instructors while Uni grads, as Lecturer 2 or so. Can't remember) anyways I went for employment by a bank. I was taken alongside university grads and I experienced d discrimination. While they were started on about 73k salary, we were started on 45k. It wasn't funny but I refused to allow it weigh me down. I learnt all I could, worked well. Never made myself appear inferior in front of them and you would never catch me lamenting about the discrimination. Rather than lament, I channeled my focus on my next big choice- where to move to, where I would not be discriminated against. I started researching. Among d big banks, which of them take HNDs on the same level as BSC and I tell u, there are more of them who do that, than those who don't. I picked three - intercontinental, oceanic and Firstbank. I started applying to these banks but as God would do it, I ended up in a bank I never knew would not discriminate against my grade. Zenith bank. Because of my distinction, I was taken as a core staff and that was the end of the discrimination. It has lasted just a little over a year. Several of my friends who had upper credit also joined the likes of oceanic, first bank, union bank, wema bank, first antlantic, UBA etc without being discriminated against.
Once in, I was rapidly promoted and would later port to Oceanic bank before quiting banking when I turned 32 to set up my own company which had always been what I wanted. I currently employ 10 university graduates.
Note that in the banks I worked, on several ocassions, I was selected over university graduates on the same grade as me; to head units and just 4 years into my career, I was an Operations Manager.
So, bottomline, stop lamenting. Stay focused on achieving the best with your HND, make your choices right. Look in the direction of organisations that would not discriminate against you, obtain additional qualifications along the line and never see yourself as inferior.

Finally, finally...whether BSC or HND...don't see paid employment as the ultimate objective. You won't get rich on that ish.. it may not be now, but plan on being your own boss in future. There is nothing like it. We are blessed to be Nigerians. This country has opportunities. We have the market, we have the population..identify a product or service that is in need, provide that product or service to where it is needed and you're there!

I like your spirit. There is no discrimination without your consent. No body can make you second fiddle in life without your approval. The problem with most HND holder is that they have low self esteem. It has been programmed into there brain by there lecturers that bsc is superior to HND. So immediately after graduating they are on the look out for signs of discrimination from prospective employers and co workers.
Not knowing that what determine their success in life is hardwork, your output and not your so called paper qualification.
I have HND (2001) , been working as a technologist for close to 10yrs , in a polytechnic. I knew i can not become HOD of my department , I will be bar at com14. So I knew what im getting into when entering into HND program.
Though bsc is overated, they are still considered to be superior in any managerial position. I have seen so many of these acclaimed bsc holder who cannot write good report, teaching basic engineering subject matter is a problem. Lecturer with bsc in electronic/ electrical engineering who cannot identify a diode, capacitor. They always claim practicals are mainly for technologist to carry out for the students.
So anyone getting into HND program should know there certificate limitation. It is either you upgrade your qualification or go into self employment.

No value for human lives again.

CREDENTIAL VS POTENTIAL
One thing that has killed the productivity of many Nigerian graduates and put them permanently on the unemployment queue is the excessive emphasis and dependence on paper (academic) qualification at the expense of potentials. Credential is good, but in this present economic
time your credential alone might not sustain you in the real world. If you depend solely on the fact that you graduated with a good grade, then you might end up frustrated in life. This over-dependence on credentials has (so much) affected the youths that most of them do not care to know if they posses any abilities that could be developed into a career, all they care about is how
to go to school, graduate and then join the unemployment queue in search of unavailable
white collar jobs. This tradition is a major cause of graduate joblessness in the country; graduates
that are supposed to develop their potentials and use them to affect humanity are busy moving from one company to another submitting CVs and hoping to get a job. On a practical note, it is not your credential that matters but your competence and ability to carry out tasks. A result-focused employer is not really concerned with what you graduated with, but his interest is on whether you have what it takes to move his organization forward. I believe school should be a place where potentials and talents are refined and developed, and not merely a place for acquiring paper qualifications. Paper without potential makes you a liability, which is why there are lots of graduates with papers that are liabilities. If you want to work in the bank it shouldn’t be because you are a graduate of Banking and Finance or Business Admin, but it should be because you have the potential to deliver as a banker and notjust another employee. If you are just ‘anotheremployee’ you will be sacked or retrenched in no time. Let me tell you the truth; there are academicbankers as well as talented bankers. An academic banker only adds to the bank’s payroll, with verylittle contribution to the Bank’s growth; while a talented banker is one whose potential is able to impact to a large extent, on the bank’s growth. The talented banker is an asset to the bank, and they are the ones that climb faster on the corporate ladder. The difference between the academic and talented banker is in their level of intelligence. Intelligence here doesn’t refer to having good grades in school
L or being able to cram long theories. “Intelligence is the ability to provide practical solutions to practical problems”. So, our talented banker here is one thatis intelligent enough to provide practical solutions to practical banking problems. He depends onpotential, natural intelligence and abilities unlike the academic banker whose strength is just on his paper qualification.
People like Jim Ovia and Tony Elumelu, former CEOs of Zenith Bank and UBA respectively, are intelligent bankers. They could never have risen to their positions merely because of their paper qualifications. Though I’ve used banking as an illustration, it also applies to
other fields-Technolo gy, engineering, business etc. Majority of mechanical engineering graduates cannot fixa car engine, while most mechanics are not graduates
of any university or polytechnic. Most of the so-called Mechanicalengineering graduates just have their heads filled with formulas and theories which have turned their heads into warehouses of unproductiveinformation. Don’t deceive yourself; it is not about what you know, but what you can do with what you know. Would you hire someone to fix your car just because he is a graduate or because he can actually fix the car perfectly? Life is about delivering value. It is this
credential-mind edness that has affected theeconomy of the country negatively. Why can’t we
develop our potentials like the Americans, Japanese, Chinese or Indians? A large number of
the major corporations owned by Americans were started while the founders w

The Difference Between HND And BSC Certificates Is Discrimination – Wole Soyinka (SHARE THIS)
The recent media sprout pertaining to the long lasted discrimination between holders of Bsc and Hnd degrees have successfully passed through to the second reading in the House Of Assembly.

However, the nobel Laurette; Professor Wole Soyinka was invited to Channels TV to share his opinion on the aforesaid issue. And he gave clarification on the matter by saying the Government is the root cause of the discrimination sprouting across all industries.

“Basically, looking at this, one would agree the cut off marks for these institutions are clearly not the same. But who sets these cut off marks? What would it cost the Government to ensure the appropriate bodies charged with the sole responsibility of setting the yardsticks into these institutions; get to review the measures.

These are pertinent things we shy away from. I can tell you I have been across products from both institutions and you should know they both produce quacks and good products. So its a question of individual development to an extent. But as regards the nomenclature of the divide. Most people claim, perhaps if the Government can put in facilities to upgrade the polytechincs, maybe they can measure up. But that is pure rubbish.

When was the last time facilities were installed in universities across the nation? All these rants need to stop, because its like planting a seed of enmity among these two categories of students.

When reliance is totally placed on a government on issues like this, the society fails to move forward. I personally think its high time students across both divides started looking forward to what they can do for themselves as individuals than what some certificate can do for you.

Geniuses are made and not born, but apparently, we have a government that isn’t ready to scrutinize the frustrations being caused by the educational sector to these children at the early stage. When I pass Jamb a couple of times but refused admission several times at the university just because I didn’t make them both my first choice and second choice, won’t I opt for a polytechnic. Or must I keep trying till I wield grey hair? We need to think deep about these things.

The government has really neglected its checks and balances on that. A BSC holder and an Hnd holder should be equal given that they were both able to squarely take-on whatever that was thrown at them during their cause of study.”

HND and BSc Discrimination, part of Nigerian major problem


Higher National Diploma (HND) is obtained from Polytechnic schools, while Bachelor of Science (B.Sc) is obtained from Universities.

Polytechnic students in Nigeria have suffered due to unconstitutional dichotomy created by some disgruntled occultists in Nigeria for their own selfish interest. This act has gradually killed Nigeria technical education and caused this country more harm than good.

Some of these Discrepancies are as follows:
a) Inequality in salary Grade Level (HND:GL 07 & BSc:GL 08).
b) Security personnel; Bsc (Commissioned), HND (Non-commissioned)
c) Promotion; HND (maximum of GL 12), while BSc (Unlimited).
d) Banking/Financial institutions treat HND holders like slaves.
e) BSc holders employed as Admin staff, while HND holders are kept as cheap staff.

Some of the dangers imposed on organisations and this country at large are:
a) Unemployment for HND holders, which has caused some of them to engage in all kinds of vices, such as; Assassination, kidnapping, Armed robbery, money ritual, etc.
b) Nonchalant attitude in place of work.
c) Hiding of acquired/inherent ideas that could move Organisations and Nigeria higher.
d) Hatred among colleagues or comrades, causing each to kill one another through, poison, assassination, charm, etc.
e) Candidates now rush and lobby for University admission, thereby killing Nigerian’s technical education which polytechnic mainly offer.

If this disparities/dichotomy must exist, the following conditions must be adopted:
a) Educational years in polytechnic (from OND to HND) should be reduced.
b) UTME/Post-UTME should be scraped out for Polytechnic candidates.
c) School fees in Polytechnic should be slashed down drastically.
d) One year Industrial Training/Attachment for polytechnic students should be scrapped.
e) Five (5) credits SSCE requirement for admission into polytechnic should be reduced.
f) Subjects offered in Polytechnics (both OND and HND) should be reduced.
g) Carry-over should be scraped from Polytechnic.
h) Theoretical exams should be dropped, while objective exams adopted for Polytechnic.

Government should put a stop to this barbaric act because is not stated in either of the following; Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, Public Service Rules, Financial Regulations, Civil Service Handbook, Federal Establishment Circulars, Schemes Of Service.

If these could not be stopped, government should scrap Polytechnic education in Nigeria to avoid further frustration of visionary/brilliant Nigeria HND graduates.

Popoolaoladayo:
In the first place, it is important to note that the two systems are not the same and can never be the same. One is also not an alternative to the other. Polytechnic education is purely a techno-scientific education. This is in contrast to that of the university that is predominantly academic. The meaning of this is that while polytechnic education concentrates on technical cum scientific education and at the same time providing the nation and economy with the much needed and indispensable middle level manpower, the university concentrates on academic work and research. The result of their academic and research work is exactly what the polytechnic cadre puts into a practical form. For instance, an Electronics/Electrical Engineering graduate from the university can sit down on a table and plan how a given building can be wired. He is not expected to do the wiring himself. The wiring, which is a practical aspect, is now the responsibility of the polytechnic Electronic/Electrical Engineering graduate.
The argument here is that while polytechnic education is more of practical, The Bachelor’s Degree also known as “Baccalaureate” in many countries. The word baccalaureate is a distorted version of German word “Bakkalaureus.” The Bachelor’s degree was first awarded in Germany, but was later abolished. The degree resurfaced in 1820, however, as part of a change in the higher education system. A Bachelor’s degree is an undergraduate academic degree. The name “Bachelor” was given to the degree because of the English word “Bachelor” meaning young apprentice (Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007).that of the university is theoretical. Polytechnic education is, for instance, 60 per cent practical and 40 percent theoretical while that of the university is vice versa.
This little explanation is a pure pointer to the fact that both educational systems are not the same or is one an alternative to the other. Therefore, a student who is opting for the polytechnic education should bear in mind that he is opting for a practical- oriented education. He can only switch to the university if he wants to go academic or theoretical. In a nutshell, one does not enter a polytechnic as a last resort. It is a different educational system with its own mission, vision and, of course, a clear objective.
Countries like Japan, Korea, Germany, Australia, Malaysia and many developed economies rely deeply on skilled and technical education despite knowing that the university education has an edge over the polytechnic education.Both qualifications work hand in hand because they compliment each other.The government of Nigeria should apply Adams Stacy's equity theory so as to give a positive end result in organizational goals.More so course content of both the university and the Polytechnic should be interwoven.
The discrimination is conspicuous and i know how you feel jakarta.i held the bull by the horn by going back to school dumping my two HNDs for PGD.I surged on and today i will affirmatively tell you that i have two masters degrees and a PHD in view.You can even decide to do a top program in any university(it is just one year six month).
Finally you will observe that you even have the edge over every because you have the acumen of the practicals and theory in you.IF THE CONTEMPORARY SITUATION IS DOWNGRADING YOUR EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT,FIGHT IT HARD TO BEAT THE CONTEMPORARY POLICIES OF THE EDUCATIONAL DICHOTOMY.

You really make sense.

obailala:
Now this story just makes me remember the GEJ days. If this interview was reported a year ago, hundreds of GEJ worshippers would have insanely jumped into defensive calling the soldier all sorts of names for lying against his country. These paranoid trolls always felt everything was about GEJ and that everyone was out to attack GEJ's presidency.

Thank God we are past that era, at least now we can have our brothers thinking like humans again.

People failed to realise that Nigeria problems was not caused by Gej.Every sectors of Nigeria economy have crashed. Everyone is an icon of corruption.Greediness, nepotism, tribalism are our major problem. I'm still waiting to see miracle PMB is going to perform on this entity called Nigeria.

Potus1:
Soldiers who are in the North East are being paid 1,000 per day, can you believe that. Well,my gratuity after serving the NA for 15 years was 671,000. Kai...when I saw the alert I just smiled because it was expected. I'm glad I left.

#1000 per day for soldiers in warfront!! #671000 gratuilty after serving for 15yr . Surely Nigeria is a failed state?

People are really suffering

Suffering and smilling. That's our motto.God bless Nigeria

dorox:
Until we are able to replicate simple things like uninterruped power suply, good road and rail network and a proper educational system we wont be able to reproduce anything requiring a high level of engineering.

But is those things mentioned rocket science that we have not been able to replicate most of these basic things ?

My heart bleeds whenever I see something like this. Africa still have a long way to go. We are far far behind. Those people seen in that factory are mostly technicians and technologists. Where are the African engineers? We are still battling with stable power supply, when others have moved far ahead.

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chibas:
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If you are in Lagos try oshodi main market or ALABA. You can also order online

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You just need to make sure you understand what you are copying. By understand, I mean you need to know why you are copying a particular solution versus another. As long you can the answer the why question, you are developing as a coder.

Copying and pasting becomes bad for you when it resembles an old man banging a TV and moving the antenna until he gets a picture. If you're just trying pieces of code until something works, you're not learning anything. You will eventually run into a problem with no exact answer on a forum and spend a frustrating amount of time learning what you could have learned at an earlier time.

The main problem is that If you copy and paste code, you will never be able to learn the Syntax and Semantics of a programming language. Also since you are not using your brain, in the later stages when you will be required to find a logic of something new and code it, you will never be able to do it.
My suggestion to you is not to use copy paste programming, if you want a better future in programming.

How much is it?

solomonjesus:
some interesting station like MBC cartoon natgeowild is showing on daarsat position for free

what's the frequency