When the cameramen start falling, I will answer your question

Wanton Debauchery? These people really believe that we are atheists because we want to sin

Fear monger number 1 how far with your fake predictions

felixomor:


Sorry, they worked on theories.
I worked on theories too, when I was on school to produce my thesis.
It doesnt make the theories true.
Despite the fact that the school gave me recognition for my work.
It doesn't change the fact that I am a Christian.

They accept evolution and they have spent more time trying to verify it than refute it unlike Christian scientists of the past

felixomor:



Werner Arber (born 1929): Swiss microbiologist and geneticist. Along with American researchers Hamilton Smith and Daniel Nathans, he shared the 1978 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for the discovery of restriction endonucleases. In 2011, Pope Benedict XVI appointed Arber as President of the Pontifical Academy—the first Protestant to hold that position.[184]


Robert J Asher : palaeontologist and lecturer at the University of Cambridge Department of Zoology and a curator at the University Museum of Zoology. His book 'Evolution and Belief: Confessions of a Religious Paleontologist' was published by Cambridge University Press in 2012.[185] Dr Asher is also a former Curator of Mammals at the Berlin Natural History Museum and Frick Postdoctoral Fellow at the American Museum of Natural History.

Francisco J. Ayala (born 1934): evolutionary biologist and philosopher. Known for his research in population and evolutionary genetics. Called the "Renaissance Man of Evolutionary Biology. His studies and discoveries of human anatomy and physiology have opened up new methods and approaches to combating diseases and ailments.


Robert T. Bakker ( born 1945): paleontologist who was a figure in the "dinosaur Renaissance" and known for the theory some dinosaurs were warm-blooded. He is also a Pentecostal preacher who advocates theistic evolution and has written on religion......


U want more?

Thanks but they are theistic evolutionists because of knowledge available in science today. They dont believe that God created the earth man in 6 days like most previous christian scientists (like Isaac newton )believe.

felixomor:


So that after mentioning them, u come back with new excuses that they are not sipposed to be Christians.
Just as u did with Isaac Newton, abi?

Use ur google.
Like i told u before, its what believe what u choose to believe.

stop making pressumptions about what I would say and mention just three names of world renowned christian scientists that are alive today

felixomor:


I can see u have escaped from your fallacy of "speaking animals"

Again look at u stacking up fallacies upon fallacies by assumptions you cant substantiate.
That Isaac Newton wont have been a Christian if it was today?
Really?
U guys dont dissapoint at all.

And u r asking for renowned scientists that are Christians. Please use google.
U will see that the person who simplified the DNA code for everybody to understand today is a christian.
And many others.

Pls Dont continue to ask questions like these, I beg u.

Mention just three names or is that too much to ask?

Splinz:


They claimed to have peace of mind and freed from the shackles of religion. Yet, their soul & body is tied to it—they talked, eat, think and sing religion!

Bunch of deluded and pitiable souls.......

Actually, we are just having fun. But seriously when are your top pastors going to start showing us the fire when they speak in tongues?

felixomor:


See how u r wobbling back n forth.

Even science shows that animals speak.
That u cant pick their communication doesnt mean they dont communicate.
Again, u show ur dumb logic there.

And u have still failed to show me how is it that majority of the people who made these "scientific" discoveries of yours believe in the bible. And even believe in prayers.

Till then, i dont get your point.

A lot of people that contributed to science in the past are Christians because of the limited discovery made by science at their times (compared to the knowledge we have now). Do you think that Isaac newton, an English Scientist will be a Christian if he lived in the modern age? i dont think so.

To further buttress my point i challenge you to mention three world renowned modern scientists that are Christians (please mention those that are alive)

felixomor:


Fallacy of association, fallacy of illogical conclusion.

2 in one.
You are awesome.

Application of Logic by someone that believes that donkeys can talk.

Whats illogical is when you believe in someone that raises people from the dead at will, you believe that he will answer your prayers whenever you ask him yet when you fall sick you rush to the hospital with your money to look for treatments (made possible by science). Science: 1 prayers : 0

jonbellion:
these are the kind of people that deny global warming. After all there are some people that are saying the earth is flat in the 21st century. They obviously didn't study physics or even an eclipse

yes o, just like this one

KingEbukasBlog:


I'm very open minded . I'm a true seeker of truth - its my personality so ... But I tell you , there's more evidence for a flat earth . The so-called live transmission of earth in outer space is not even real . To many things that don't add up . My "new found belief" could be chimerical but it doesn't really matter .

felixomor:


Why are u shifting?
Moreover u have no ideas what prayer has achieved for people as per even scientifically verified miracles.
So keep to your field.

And even majority of the people who made these scientific discoveries ( u seem overexcited about) believe the bible.

I dont really know what your point is.

As long as i still see Christians in the hospitals, prayers are just babbles

The story of pentecost in the Bible shows us how speaking in tongues started. The holy spirit caused fire to descend on the apostles and gave them the ability to speak in the languages of people that were actually around them.

Today, Christians have used it to further their holier-than-thou attitudes with babblings that nobody around understands(unlike in the bible).

ok, so you are filled with the holy spirit and you can speak in the other tongues, we have heard you now show us the fire



Acts 2:1-14
" When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?” "

felixomor:


Is it not funny that majority of the people who made these discoveries believe in the bible?

The world is changing, how?
There is no more birth and death abi?
Or there is no more rain and sunshine?

Everything is in ur mind.
Believe what u choose to believe.

The world is changing because you and I are able to debate over long distances from the comforts of our bedrooms. thanks to science. No amount of prayers can achieve that

felixomor:


Its better in ur mind, because u stupidly believe it.
Nothing else.
Its how the mind works.

And no matter what u choose to believe, God's word still stands.
If u like study all the science textbooks, u stiil will not live above 120 yrs as the bible says.
U will still die and proceed for an afterlife as the bible has said long time ago, even before science just discovered.

So keep wasting your time.

you keep wasting your time and closing your mind to all the achievements made by science in just 500 years. The world is changing before your eyes and instead of using your brain to contribute to the growth of mankind you prefer to believe a book written by some ethnocentric group of people many thousand years ago.

felixomor:


See u again there quoting jargons,
Things u have never seen with your eyes.

Ordinary to explain drought.

If i quote bible now, u will say we are quoting abstract stuff.

See how u pple deceive urselves?
Mscheww

anyway it is a better explanation that the bible's stupid 'Elijah cursed the land' reason. story for kids

felixomor:


U have already exposed urself by saying "No"

The remaining is noise making. Thanks.

So you may also explain why some countries are experiencing draught since ur textbook explained the rainfall formation.
Maybe they dont have enough kettles on fire to produce water vapour. Abi?

The joke is on u.

Actually the joke is on you for not knowing about the global winds that distribute rainfall across the earth and the coriolis effect that affects the direction of the wind.


or you prefer to believe that it is God that causes drought because of sin? Childish stuff for childish minds

felixomor:


Did u witness any of these methods in person?

Or u were told about the methods used, and hence u believed?

No I didnt but they didnt threaten me with hell if I dont accept , I accepted the conclusions they reached because it conformed with reason. i can clearly explain to you why we have day and Night and different seasons. and it doesnt have childish stuff like talking snakes and donkeys.

felixomor:


Thank u my brother.
We may believe the earth is spherical, i just wanted to expose the hypocrisy of some people.

They swallow hook, line and sinker, what is written in geography texbooks.
But when it comes bible and reason, u see them forming detectives of science.

What we actually trust is the scientific methods used to arrive at this conclusions. Most of the conclusions reached by science are backed by facts. Geography textbooks have helped man know a lot about his environments. The bible misled people to believe that God sends the rain but geography textbooks have clearly explained how rain is formed. Can you use the bible to make whether forecasts? No. Geography textbook : 1 Bible : 0.

ever811:
so I have been wasting my time with someone who do not know what oxygen is?...

what has the knowledge of oxygen got to do with this?

ever811:
I will come back to this point to clarify you about the age of the world in the bible thank you...iam still waiting for the answer to my question... how did unintelligent chemicals formed humans and other living things male and female with there respective organs for reproductive purpose?..

you should read about abiogenesis that explains how 'unintelligent chemicals' formed single celled life
then you read about evolution this explains how singled celled life evolved to humans and other living things.


but if you feel you cant read them then you can go on believing that God molded man with clay 6000 years ago and breathed life into him, thats after all a simple explanation for simple minds.

ever811:
sorry sir..but can you show me the place in the bible where it is calculated and concluded that the earth is 6000 years..

The bible didnt explicitly state that the earth was 6000 years but imagine you want to calculate the age of the earth using the bible how would you do it? i guess you'll calculate the number of people between Adam and Jesus(yes, their record is in the bible), add up their age to get how old the earth was during the time of Jesus and add 2000 years to it, right? that what was people in Europe did before carbon 14 was discovered and their answer was 6000 years. so the bible definately misled them there.

Scientists later estimated the age of the earth using carbon 14 to be 5 billion years but do you know that there are christians that still insist that the earth is 6000 years. what would you say is causing their delusion? the bible of course!

Smallville10:
its like ur understanding is faulty... Did i say i am here to question anyone... I put those questions for everyone to put up some reasoning and search for answers... Dont come and tell me u know when u know notin

Anyway I am not going to engage you in arguments because I believe that only you can sincerely answer those questions for yourself. You are Intelligent shown by the fact that you ask yourself these questions.



PS: your first sentences are always annoying, you need to change your attitude

ever811:
pls I need an answer from atheist, scientists and all those who don't believe, there is an intelligent spiritual God that created all things?
what i don't understand is..scientists do not believe in the spiritual realm but I think its a slap on there own intelligence.science has successful captured the minds of some persons to believing that life originated randomly from lifeless matter which release different measures of chemicals that find them self's together to form life which has left the door open for intelligent minds who have agreed with science insinuated idea of only the physical do exist to ask such questions as...
(1) where did matter came from ?
(2)where do those chemical originate from, before the find them self's in lifeless matter.?
(3)given to the theory of course,.. what course the chemical release from lifeless matter which according to science to be the beginning of course?
(4)according to science everything has a beginning...how did matter began?
(5) science always refute the bible record of the existence of God with the question..if God created all things then who created God?..nd this is where I derived my question from..if matter release chemicals that formed life ..what then release matter,and what is that thing that release that thing that release matter..pls keep explaining what release what until if you are intelligent enough to arrive at an external force...
(6)how was it possible for lifeless and unintelligent matter to release the balance chemicals by measure to form life..the same science that prove,if chemicals are not balance you get a negative result.
(7) who directed the different chemicals to that particular point
(a scientist will always run from an explosion because it courses damage rather than to create life.. but they expect us to believe that explosion ( big bang) did not destroy but it rather organized..convince me more on this

To answer your questions I will like to make one thing clear to you, Science do not claim to know everything? and thats why billions of dollars are being spent on research each year (someone who claims to know everything will not look for new knowledge).

Most of the questions you asked are also being asked by the science community too (especially the origin of life on earth). Good physicists and biologist (not the physics and biology that are taught in Nigerian schools) can answer some of your questions but assuming they cant is that enough reasons to embrace the biblical account? No because biblical accounts have misled people before

for example it led christians in Europe to believe for a long time that the earth was created less than 12000 years ago (which is now obviously false)

The bible was indirectly responsible for making people believe that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolves round it (which is also now obviously false)

It led some Europeans to believe that we Africans are the descendants of Ham, the cursed son of Noah.

so will you contribute your brain to helping mankind answer these questions or will you rather accept the very erroneous conclusion made in the bible that God created the first family 6000 years ago?

stephenmorris:
most believers don't know it's a very dangerous thing to argue with we atheist,deists and other freethinkers .They think we are after winning arguments, lol,we aren't after that but rather planting a seed of reason which will grow in the heads and hearts of Nigerians ,we don't know what we have done for ''Nigerians and the future'' through nairaland,facebook etc at least with the way things are going in the next ten years they should be a large mental shift from cavemen thoughts to modern men mode of thought ,by then witchcraft and other superstitious beliefs should be on their way to the grave lol where they belong.
cc:seun,johnnydon22,plaetton,lennycool

one of them opened this thread to show his doubt but if you try to give him reasonable answers, he will try to argue

Smallville10:
This goes to both christians and non christians... Even as christians, there are question that seem of mystery to us but carfully looking and studying we can find answers

1. When did time begin and when does it end?

2. Why are 8 of our planets empty

3. Does God own just this universe

4. Was d earth created in 6days or 6000years

5. According to the bible, the earth is about 12000 years (including creation period) but science sees a world over a billion years old, could they have been life before ours on earth?

6. How long had lucifer been in heaven

7. What makes Jesus d son of God?

8. Who are d 24 elders

9. Why did God scatter their languages from d beginning? Could he have seen something beyond us?

10. Are there female angels

11. When was hell created and why?

12. Did he prepare hell in advance for man's sin?

13. Why did lucifer rebel?

I have been researchin seriously so...
Pls if u have ideas abt any, pls drop ur answers. Thank you.

Smallville10:
oga if u have answers pls drop dem and stop beatin around. If u have none, oya exit

dont worry i dont want to derail the thread so let me wait for your brothers to come and answer you. It's always fun to see confused Christians arguing themselves to death over common sense questions like 'is hell real?' and whether a person is judged immediately after death or till after rapture.

Smallville10:
hahahahahaha u must be joking... These are their problems here... They havent found answers...
If u say passed, what do u mean? Or do u have answers

calm down bros. The bolded is unnecessary it just goes to show that u r a defensive and close minded person. by saying 'They havent found answers' before asking if i have answers means that no matter how true the answers i give are you will neva accept. you are just looking for means to argue

It's probably caused inbreeding

I think the question is for Christians only, atheists have passed this stage already.

DoctorAlien:


Your analogy is poorly constructed, and does not even remotely mirror the relationship between GOD and man.

First, why were they not aware of the test? Because they missed school? Is a student supposed to miss school? Even if the reason is cogent enough, the lecturer can decide to make them sit for the test.

Now, let me ask you: what if the students who missed the test enter the lecturer's office and without being asked, correctly recite the whole(or an appreciable quantity of the) knowledge which the lecturer imparted to them? Have they technically passed the test which others took or not?

As a Christian, you believe that our life on this earth is not the real deal, that it is just a test to see if we pass and earn eternal life or fail and be condemned to eternal damnation. To pass this test according to christianity one MUST accept christ and live by his examples (correct me if i am wrong).

This judgement applies to every person that has ever lived on this earth. Now for a test to be fair, all the students that are to take the test will receive the same lectures and study the same handouts.

but in reality, billions of people were not given the lecture materials(have never heard of Jesus Christ (Including our African ancestors))
Billion others were born into families that are practicing other religions so found it hard to accept Jesus Christ.
Others did not really take the test (They died as infants)
Others were ill so couldnt take the test well (Mad People).

Remember this is a serious test because the reward is great and the punishment for failing terrible. So a just God who is omnipotent should have made everybody take the test under the same conditions.

The problem is how would people who did not really take the test (those that died as infants) be judged?

1. If they are to be passed automatically wouldnt that be injustice to those that took the test?
2. If they are to be failed and sent to hell wouldnt that be injustice to them because we know they are not the cause of their own death?

how do you do you defend the statement 'God is Just' in this instance?

DoctorAlien:


Your analogy is poorly constructed, and does not even remotely mirror the relationship between GOD and man.

First, why were they not aware of the test? Because they missed school? Is a student supposed to miss school? Even if the reason is cogent enough, the lecturer can decide to make them sit for the test.

Now, let me ask you: what if the students who missed the test enter the lecturer's office and without being asked, correctly recite the whole(or an appreciable quantity of the) knowledge which the lecturer imparted to them? Have they technically passed the test which others took or not?

As a Christian, you believe that our life on this earth is not the real deal, that it is just a test to see if we pass and earn eternal life or fail and be condemned to eternal damnation. To pass this test according to christianity one MUST accept christ and live by his examples (correct me if i am wrong).

This judgement applies to every person that has ever lived on this earth. Now for a test to be fair, all the students that are to take the test will receive the same lectures and study the same handouts.

but in reality, billions of people were not given the lecture materials(have never heard of Jesus Christ (Including our African ancestors))
Billion others were born into families that are practicing other religions so found it hard to accept Jesus Christ.
Others did not really take the test (They died as infants)
Others were ill so couldnt take the test well (Mad People).

Remember this is a serious test because the reward is great and the punishment for failing terrible. So a just God who is omnipotent should have made everybody take the test under the same conditions.

The problem is how would people who did not really take the test (those that died as infants) be judged?

1. If they are to be passed automatically wouldnt that be injustice to those that took the test?
2. If they are to be failed and sent to hell wouldnt that be injustice to them because we know they are not the cause of their own death?

how do you do you defend the statement 'God is Just' in this instance?

DoctorAlien:


GOD is Just.

Ignorant people will go to Heaven. However, before you can be ignorant in the sight of GOD, you must make two claims truthfully:

1. I did not know.

2. I had no way of knowing.

You said God is just and ignorant people will go to heaven. Imagine your lecturer sets a difficult test which you took and 70% of those that took the test fail it. Now lets say there were some students that were not aware of the test(thereby not taking it) and your lecturer decides to pass these students because they were 'ignorant' of the test, Will you say he was just?